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2024 Federation Check-In Voting Completed

Hello users of Hexbear, we wanted to do a federation check-in.

So far these are the instances in question but please use this post as a suggestion for other instances to either federate with or defederate from or to comment your thoughts on federation in general.

~~kbin.social / fedia.io~~

Please comment to vote:

indicates you want to federate with all the instances listed above

indicates you want to defederate with all the instances listed above

indicates you would like to defederate with some and federate with others (please include what instances you want for each)

Here are some relevant posts/comments:

https://hexbear.net/comment/4515862

https://hexbear.net/comment/4510892

(Nath is an aussie.zone admin)

https://hexbear.net/post/1592684

https://hexbear.net/post/369410

(we would selectively not federate with their /c/196 community)

kbin.social and fedia.io are kbin and mbin respectively which is very similar but also distinct from lemmy. These are the two largest instances but we may look to add more in the future. There is an issue with those two as they deanonymize the modlog and allow users to inspect the upvotes for a post/comment. If users vote to federate with kbin/mbin instances and we experience moderator harassment they will be defederated from immediately.

My personal opinion follows:

I think that lemm.ee primary worth is the 1.7k daily active users.

programming.dev has active programming communities

aussie.zone has a lot of australia specific communities

lemmy.blahaj.zone has specific queer communities

~~kbin.social and fedia.io value is from userbase~~

https://the-federation.info/platform/184

https://the-federation.info/platform/290

https://the-federation.info/platform/73

hexbear is 1.75k users per month compared to .ee 3.6k and kbin.social 4.6k

Removed kbin and mbin due to moderation / user self-deletion federation problems

274 comments

- Sorry to bother but I've updated my vote.
- How do I interpret this? Are we gonna defed all as it stands? Fed lemm.ee but nothing else?

Drama has pretty much died as federation has normalised. The only thing that happens now is that we get a gentle amount of chuds with dogshit opinions, and expose our views to some quiet lurkers that have later on months down the line talked about how influential we've been on them.
The dogshit opinions are good additions to the hex because they're not overpowering and they inspire useful actual answers to their dogshit takes. These answers are useful to onlooking lurkers still learning.
The influence is good and valid.
Sources of new users are thin on the ground and should not be limited.
There will be an initial wave of shit until the worst users are banned. But that will taper off into something good overall.
We should not re-federate with blahaj (or any server) unless they have corrected the things that caused our defed. Doing so will significantly agitate users here that wanted it and cause lasting bad blood that harms Hexbear. It's not an option at all until something drastic is taken from their side to address the original issues that caused it.
- I think this is what all the DEFED EVERYONE folks are missing. Hexbear will die without new users. We need to get new users somehow. Federation is that somehow. Voting against any and all federation is voting against the future of Hexbear.
  
  hexbear seemed to do fine for years without any federation.
  
  We need to get new users somehow. Federation is that somehow.
  I disagree, we were getting plenty of new users before federation from outreach on reddit and other places, and just plain old word of mouth. And frankly I don't think bringing in new users should be our primary goal, at least not above fostering a safe and welcoming space.
- We should not re-federate with blahaj (or any server) unless they have corrected the things that caused our defed. Doing so will significantly agitate users here that wanted it and cause lasting bad blood that harms Hexbear. It's not an option at all until something drastic is taken from their side to address the original issues that caused it.
  100% agree. Ultimately, we defed from Blahaj because one of their power mods is a bigoted shithead and the admin is a two-faced backstabbing dipshit. "uwu im just a smoll bean admin i can't help it when the mod of 196 keeps on shitting CARCOSA including airing out CARCOSA's dms to 196 uwu" Fuck off with that duplicitous bullshit.
- Co-sign

I don't know what this site was like having never heard of it until a couple months ago. I found you all through Lemm.ee federation. Today I'm reading communist theory, have become vegan and am working on my delibification. That wouldn't have happened or have taken longer if not for you guys and federation. I would have stayed a smarmy ignorant lib although maybe a bit happier and less stressed.
Edit: I feel compelled to make it explicit that this is not a vote either way. I'm offering this perspective since the goal of federating was stated as radicalizing libs like me to show that it can work. The judgment of whether there are enough people like me to make federation worth it, in particular since this seems to affect trans comrades disproportionately, is for others to vote on.
- This right here is the culture that drew me in https://hexbear.net/comment/3763871
- Cute post
  
  High praise coming from you
- how do we pull in
  -pilled people like you without destroying the good vibes here from the sludge of reactionary posters that infest reddit-alikes? serious question and it's not just aimed at you.
  
  I do not think its possible to recruit from general society without exposing oneself to it. I think that's what the vote here is about, do we want to recruit via federation, which means exposing people here to the chuds, in hopes of catching some open to radicalization or do we want to make it a truly safe place.
  Moderation of the chuds will only ever be effective after they posted so I don't think you can have a truly safe space which is also exposed to the outside.
- Are you telling me you came up with that username while you were still a lib? You'll out left us all!
- Same, fam
- Hell yeah
- My sarcasm detector isn't very good, does that mean you think I'm full of myself and should be banned? Pretty sure I'm misunderstanding something that since that seems overly harsh lol

Stop trying to refed with Blahaj. Apart from the chasers, the trans users there are brain wormed libs. They aren’t comrades and for most they’ll never be. They’re brained wormed libs and that’s their home. Otherwise those users would be here.
- tbf a lot of them are here, though that doesn't change the fact that we should stay defederated

Why the fuck would we federated with blahaj again? For what possible reason?
- The people of NATO yearn for our content
  
  It will be a day and people will whine about how fucking terrible the posts are. Like last time.
  
  I still remember getting one of those messages lol
- I understand the impulse to try and pull two rather queer instances together. But I don't understand anyone saying it's gotten better over there or they're trying to clean up.
  I check there from time to time, and I'd say it's worse than r/196 at this point. It's more distilled. Like the people who stuck it out are even more redscare-brained than the regular crowd.
  When I do see some reasonable stuff there, it's the same two hexbear alts and one is Carcosa. Then of course they're weird with those two in replies.
  It's well intentioned to want to bring the two communities together, but it's unrealistic and will probably just deepen divides.
  
  I check there from time to time, and I'd say it's worse than r/196 at this point. It's more distilled. Like the people who stuck it out are even more redscare-brained than the regular crowd.
  I got the idea that Ada wouldn't remove 196 mods specifically, who attacked our admins and defended chasers. If she is not hesitant to remove reactionary mods of other communities, federating could maybe be worth it
- Tbh they're not any worse than instances we're already federated with, and if anything they at least seem to take transphobia more seriously than the others.
  
  I got banned from one of their comms for briefly mentioning transmisogyny, so they don't really care about trans women
  
  We literally defederated over the bigotry
  
  The main reason we defedded from them is that they allowed chasers to post openly transphobic stuff along the lines of ::: spoiler Spoiler "trans men shouldn't get top surgery because i like boobs" :::
  
  their userbase defended transphobia because it was directed at us and we (our trans posters) aren't really trans. that happened before the defed and again recently. it speaks to the kind of userbase they've attracted - not to mention the chaser DMs.
- We do not federate with fascist instances.
- From OP:
  (we would selectively not federate with their /c/196 community)
  With 196 out of the way, there's several good communities there that we lost in the defed
  !blahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !colombia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !egg_irl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !ftm@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !gamedev@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !mtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !nonbinary@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !pointlesslygendered@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !socialanxiety@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !transprogrammer@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !ttrpgs@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  !unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  
  It is still the same admin and the same userbase
- I made a post the other day asking Hexbears to tone down their AES rhetoric so we have more room to interact with the other instances and like 99% of the responses were unequivocally no.
  I think the answer is very clear here.
  
  like 99% of the responses were unequivocally no.
  based hexbear united against shit ideas
  
  asking Hexbears to tone down their AES rhetoric
  What's the benefit to doing this though? Tailism is bad and only invites more shitlibs and state department devotees into our space
  
  I will never tone down my communism posting. Uncritical support to the DPRK
  
  To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type [of liberalism].

Defed programming.dev, due to unaddressed transphobia toward our users from their admin.
Continue to defed blahaj.zone. Terrible admin, terrible instance.
kbin.social and fedia.io do not federate. I'd be open to trying it if not for deanonymized modlog and upvotes. That sounds fucking terrible
- kbin.social and fedia.io do not federate. I'd be open to trying it if not for deanonymized modlog and upvotes. That sounds fucking terrible
  I agree about kbin.social, though the recent 0.19.2 Lemmy release now accepts federated reports from Kbin, so that's a little progress.
  Here is the issue to watch for progress on Kbin instances receiving moderation actions from federated instances, whether they be Kbin, Lemmy, or something else: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/570
  fedia.io only has 225 monthly users, compared to kbin.social's 4,686, so they should be easier to moderate. One potentially decent community on fedia.io is https://fedia.io/m/firefox, the official fediverse Firefox community that was originally supposed to be a lifeboat from r/firefox on
  .

Defederate with hexbear as a joke

Federating with blahaj concerns me somewhat. I have no desire to have chasers in my or other transfolks' DMs. Unless that’s properly taken care of by their admins, I have no interest.

Defed: aussie.zone - Every (western) nation-specific lemmy I've interacted with is full of brainworms and colonial apologia.
Stay fed: lemm.ee - Decent mix of reasonable people, a couple comrades, and the few reactionaries that stumble in aren't enough to taint the entire instance for me.
Defed: programming.dev - The admin transphobia was pretty bad.
Stay defed: lemmy.blahaj.zone - c/196 basically is blahaj.zone. See how they bullied the admin to stay federated with programming.dev despite their desire to protect trans users.
Stay defed: kbin.social & fedia.io - As far as I'm aware, the popularity of the kbin model was specifically because they thought that lemmy was contaminated by tankies due to its marxist developers. I'm pretty sure they'll defed us immediately anyways.

We already know Blahja will not keep their moderators in check, programming.dev same. I've been browsing Local more often cause i just dont care what the rest of the fediverse has to say
- Blahaj won't keep 196 moderators in check. But
  (we would selectively not federate with their /c/196 community)
  Are there non-196 moderators that Blahaj did not keep in check?
  
  their admins have no spine
  
  activity on everything but /c/196 is like 1 post a week

blahaj.zone can stay fucked off forever. The 196 comm isn't the problem; its users are. Selectively defederating from just that comm won't keep the chasers out.
I'm fine with the others being federated. Then again, I don't have a ton of skin in the game. I'll happily defer to folks that do.

Keep doing what we're doing. I don't think trying to reintegrate with groups that have shown their reactionary streaks in the past is a good idea, because I seriously doubt they've changed at all. And every time we've federated with a problematic instance for the lulz or whatever we've just ended up de-federating again like a month later after a ton of drama.
I also don't think it's good to federate with a site but ban their one problematic comm. Those issues will spill over, those users will still see our posts, and we'll see theirs in other comms.
- We should do a yearly drama where evryone can just get it out if their systems. Fully federate for like a week, let chaos reign, then close our borders
  
  the Hexbear version of The Purge

isn't blahaj zone the same one we defederated from previously for very good reasons??? I don't know enough about the other instances to have a strong opinion about their userbases. I would assume we're going to get mod harrasment no matter what if the modlog is deanonymized, so maybe we shouldn't put ourselves through the trouble.
Edit: changing my vote to
, no more half measures walter

:dean-smile: I keep going back and forth on federation but right now I am in the mood to be mad at people on the internet.

I don't think federation adds anything of value to this website. What, so every now and then we get a confused lib in the comments of one of our posts and we all dunk on them? That's not reaching out to other communities or educating anybody, it's just a ritual where we all demonstrate our beliefs to one other and nobody learns anything. The idea that connecting with websites that have a higher user count will grow our own community has proven to be a fantasy, as we've lost two good users for every one we've added via federation, and I think we need to either change strategies or just accept that we're a weird, hyper-specific corner of the internet and like every other forum like ours we're gonna stay small and slowly fade out over time.
- I will say, I've learned so much being an observer to lib dunking. They'll say something dumb, an educated Hexbear will come in, mock and correct them, and then boom, I've learned something new! This has happened multiple times. Dunks are a good vector for education for curious onlookers.

We should only poll our trans comrades for this imo
- No no no, that would be undemocratic and illiberal! We absolutely need to prioritize the input of a bunch of bros with moldy Kropotkin beards who have zero skin in this game and can view this as a question of "do i get entertaining dunks out of federation?" over the opinion of people who wonder if this community could ever become one of a handful of not actively threatening and harmful online spaces again.
  
  I honestly think the site has kind of always prioritized shitposters and debaters over actual marginalized comrades. It’s, dare I say it, maybe an issue that harkens back to the ChapoTrapHouse days.
- I thought about this, and I kind of think I agree. @CARCOSA@hexbear.net has this been seriously discussed among the admin team? @AcidSmiley@hexbear.net has pretty strongly opposed federation in this post and if our trans comrades generally feel the same way as a whole

I think we should federate with everyone. For example, even though lemmy.world went nuclear on us and preemptively defederated from hexbear there are still a lot of good lemmy.world users. I suspect the same can be true of these other places, in spite of how often I've seen Hexbear be smeared on other lemmy instances. One thing, though, is we bears should not spam ppb at anyone except neo-nazis. Yes, yes, I know. Scratch a lib. But I think that power should be reserved and used only against those who truly deserve it.
Above all else I would like to see proprietary software and social platforms eradicated. A big part of that would be the ability to talk to other people, even if they don't share our values or views.
edit: well i'm reading other comments about bad admins of other instances. I don't know the story there but if those comments are accurate I could easily be persuaded to
to only federate .ee

I won't vote as I usually only use my admin account over at @bdonvr@thelemmy.club but please stay federated with us

Also its cool it seems y'all can make certain posts like this one not federate.
- I don't think defederation with y'all is up on this poll? we cool
  
  Oh yeah I just want to express my appreciation for HexBear

- I smell half measures

I’m in favor of federating with those high-userbase instances. Tbh I still use Reddit a lot for no other reason than it gets kinda boring here. This will help the community grow. Sorry I’ve run out of dopamine/serotonin, so I’m a bit make not good very sentences write 𒄉𒍪𒋾𒃮 make fire 𒁼 bees.
- Is that cuneiform?!
  
  Yes. Pretty cool that it’s unicode huh?

Defederate from those darn tankies at Lemmygrad.
- And hexbear

It's ridiculous to re-federate with blahaj or any other instance we defederated with if they haven't addressed what actually made us defederate. I really don't think blahaj is fixed and comm blocking doesn't mean shit when the one comm is 95% of the instance traffic.
I'm fine with all the others.
- Why bother? What does it gain us? It just makes us look stupid and indecisive. If they address the problem, they can get a probation period, but rewarding a probation period for no reason beyond that kristina wishes things could have worked out is inane.

Abstain: Not interested in Federation, never interacted with other instances, they seem boring compared to here. This place has aspiring communists. Only thing I care about online tbh. Others seem to care, so I am not voting for "
"

Refed with Blahaj ~~for the lulz~~ to encourage liberal-leftist relations.
- liberal-leftist relations in an ideal world

It was a massive culture shock to all involved at first. The drama has calmed significantly in recent months. Let's just stay fedding and expose all to our bearish powers

Obviously the real issue remains that some are happy to be a wartime instance, and some want this to be a purely safe 100% hexbear instance. So long as this remains that way there will be conflict. Maybe we should have some dedicated hexbear(/lemmygrad) only comms?
- The drama has calmed significantly in recent months.
  Yes, because users like me who do not want to spend time on a reddit clone have largely moved to sites that aren't active mental health hazards for us.
  Obviously the real issue remains that some are happy to be a wartime instance, and some want this to be a purely safe 100% hexbear instance.
  I do not WANT this to a safe-ish instance, i NEED this or it is NOT USABLE TO ME. This isn't a question of how i like my treats, you liberal empathy void, this is a question of "can i exist safely and openly in this place or does this mean i'm exposing myself to persecution and harassment?"
  Maybe we should have some dedicated hexbear(/lemmygrad) only comms?
  Yeah, give the annoying quers their own instance so they shut up, that will solve things. Except it won't. You're already destroying site culture by making your debatebro friends join, there is no escape from your liberal shit. I've been browsing this site local only ever since you stupid fucks decided to federate with the fascists over at shitjustworks and it's still broken. There is no escape from the redditors BECAUSE THEY OUTNUMBER US and the longer we stay federated and make them join, the more they will transform hexbear site culture. This already feels like any random radlib subreddit and it will only get worse. That's a transformation i won't be around for.
  You've ruined it. You've ruined all of this.
  
  I feel your pain, but this is an enormously aggressively hostile response to me stating an asked-for preference and suggesting a compromise that might make the site better for others. I'm trying to start a conversation here precisely about addressing these kinds of concerns, not to 'shut up' queers, of which I am one.
  Hexbear is a cool site that I hope can accommodate as many people as reasonably doable, and I hope we find a middle ground solution so we can all safely enjoy it the way we want. So long as the userbase want different things from it and we can't find a third way to please all camps, then whichever way we go, we're going to have problems.
  
  This already feels like any random radlib subreddit and it will only get worse. That's a transformation i won't be around for.
  You've ruined it. You've ruined all of this.
  New tagline dropped
- https://hexbear.net/c/den exists but a dedicated hexbear-only comm has not shown to be popular, no new posts in months
  
  Well, as federation stands, Hexbear is already 98% a hexbear-only comm, so it doesn't mean too much. And it might be a matter of making already-popular comms Hexbear-only, perhaps?
- Obviously the real issue remains that some are happy to be a wartime instance, and some want this to be a purely safe 100% hexbear instance.
  This really is the whole discussion. Are we trying to use this place to create more leftists, or do we just want a nice space for those who are already leftists? I can see the benefits of each, but I would prefer the former.
- That's a sick ass idea. Being able to federate but have some hexbear only space would be cool. If federation turned the place into a cool zone, some parts of the site are insulated. Also you'd probably want the ability to not get DMs from accounts outside of hexbear except via a whitelist
  
  I like the idea of a limitation on DMs, too. Obviously requires some Lemmy work, but some finer controls like that would really help make a nice combination for different users, I think.

I am largely a fan of federation. I am federstion pilled.
- pilled

Defed and unFUCK the site. nOW.
- I'm NOT fucking around
  
  eVERY TIME i see a user with an @ I BLOCK THEIR ASS. On sight, on this site.
  
  even lemmygrad comrades?

Edit: New vote is to keep as is and especially keep programming.dev, I want to see if I can contribute to Lemmy to bake in more stuff that makes things safe for our marginalized comrades.
Gonna say something unpopular which is, now that we have instance blocking, we should federate with anything that isn't explicit nazi instances like exploding heads but make a pinned warning post to all marginalized comrades who don't want to interact with those posts or users to pre-emptively block them. We get to dunk like sharks to chum, and marginalized comrades aren't exposed to the left wing of fascism (or just fascism) if they don't want to as part of their experience. I think it requires careful analysis and publication of instances from safety to non-safety for marginalized id comrades, but I think it'd lead to more liberals on the fednet being exposed to an alternative. I say this, though, with the insight that I am marginalized by my trans and woman status, but I am able to maintain a healthy disconnection from the internet due to personal good fortune so it doesn't really affect me so much these days whereas others may not be so lucky.
RIP AND TEAR (liberals)
- I think that's a valid perspective, frankly, I'm lucky enough to have the disconnection where I'm not bothered by this stuff but I've also had other things going on in my life and not been exposed to online abuse for a long time; so I understand my perspective may be flawed in the first place.
  
  Why are you still trying to convince her and the other debate perverts? I'm doing my final round of yelling at everybody how much of a callous liberal shit they are and then i'm forever outta here. This place doesn't give a shit about trans people, we've only ever been a tool to them. I will not let myself be used any longer.
- Instance blocking does not block others from interacting with our communities. You would still get chuds all over our trans and em_poc communities.
  It merely blocks posts from that instance from appearing in the "all" feed. So for instance on my lemm.ee account I have lemmynsfw.com instanceblocked since I want to browse there while on the train or bus. But I can still see a lemmynsfw.com's users comments on posts from other instances.
  
  I wasn't aware that was how it worked. I don't think that seems sufficient, then, for folks in our community who clearly don't wanna deal.

hexbear is 1.75k users per month compared to .ee 3.6k and kbin.social 4.6k
How any of you think this will not permanently shift site culture for the worse is beyond me.
- Well it didn't so far IMO. Personally I don't want this community to be sealed off even if that means banning the occasional shit stirrer. I get why some people would like it sealed off, not everybody has the patience for shitty lib takes and/or transphobic bullshit, so if it does happen I'm not gonna cry about it but overall I think federation is still a net benefit. I like having non-political stuff occasionally pop up on my feed.
  
  It's not a matter of patience, it's a matter of me not wanting to be in war mode every time i go on this site. If you look at me posting itt, you will see that i'm not in the best shape. This is what happens when i'm in online spaces that aren't nice inclusive hugboxes. Places that aren't built like that are not usable to me anymore when i want to actively post something. It doesn't fucking work. I just fly off the handle at every opportunity, there's nothing but all out rage and i hate being like that. Which is why i completely avoid spaces that bring that out in me. Which is why i'm so pissed when a site i've been on since its start is actively deciding to be just another debatebro battleground, especially when this is wholly driven by user consensus. This all feels like a giant betrayal to me.
- I mean .ee is on the site and we are fine. Aside from 1 rogue user a month ish we are fine.
- I think the simple fact that we can tell when outsiders are instigating (by simply looking at their handle) goes a long way. I don't think we are suddenly going to be overwhelmed by a bunch of libs posting in the news community with a Stalin icon.
- How do you think that a continually shrinking user base with no chance for growth is going to shift the site culture for the better? By that logic the best site will be one that you create yourself and only you use. I guess you could do that if you want to be The Most Pure Isolationist rather than trying to drag the rest of us with you. Just a thought

.ee fed is my only vote.
If blahaj has fixed their admin shit, I'm ok with that, but I doubt it.

I'm fine with all except for a very strong caveat: Blahaj has already set the bridge on fire once and it was our admins who formed the bucket brigade. If there is reason to believe things are going to be better then yeah sure.
- What happened with Blahaj?
  
  so other users have mentioned the chasers so I'll not touch on that for now, but mainly speaking their top admin defended and did nothing against the 196 mods making drama posts accusing trans hexbearians of faking it as a way to shield our "tankiness" from criticism. Its happened at least twice iirc. Scrath that, probably only twice, search blahaj on thedunktank and examples should pop up.
  Oh, and there were attempts from our top folks to fix it and prevent defed. defed happened anyway despite good faith efforts from assorted admins, mods, and prolific individuals who I cannot recall whether they are either of the above. Point is, the best tried and their efforts were rejected.

I'm going hard no on blahaj, even if we specifically stop 196, the history of the entire shitfest that happened the last time seems like it's just not worth the effort.
Have no issue keeping lemm.ee around or any of the others we're currently federated with, as someone that stays in the local ecosystem, there aren't that many significant disruptions beyond the rare chud or lib.
I have no opinion on kbin and fedia but wouldn't have a problem with a trial to see if they'd be as disruptive as shitsjustchuds or blahaj was.

yes to continue federation with lemm.ee, i think currently we are fine with most of their userbase, most of the reactionaries are already banned so it isnt a big issue anymore
yes to fedia too, i think federation with fedia.io would be fine since they only have 200 montly users
im not sure about programing dev, that one admin was a transphobic potter fan but they are one of 3 admins and one other tried to repair the situation but i would be fine if we defed from them
yes to defed from aussie.zone honestly we dont get much from them so i dont care about them
we should stay defed from blahajzone they are even worse now, they became even more anticommunist and most of them in their defed thread have admited to be ok with transphobia as long as they get their treats and their admin just lets them be that way
no to federation with Kbin, i think they are too big for us, i think most of their user base is like lemmee but in order to effectively moderate fedration with them we need way more mods
- @kristina@hexbear.net is trying to mod all the active trans posters on !traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net

Couple questions about the blahaj without 196 thing:
How many posts per day are those comms combined? I looked at their front page and it was like 1 porn post and 1 femcel meme.
Do the blahaj posters even want it? I don't see a meta on it.
- hexbear is authoritarian smh
- Honestly the daily posting is pretty slow without 196, in the last few days the most active coms have been femcel memes, garfieldism, and math memes. I'd love for the trans specific coms to be more active, but for most trans content I look here over looking at blahaj as their coms only get a post once a week or so.
  The less active ones are the armed queer com (which is unfortunately lib'd up as their icon has the ukraine flag on it), filosofiacritica (which is surprisingly based, the main user posts a lot of marxist articles), and ghazi (which is v*ush-coded).

Now that users can block specific instances there isn’t much need to do site wide defederation unless it’s of no benefit to anyone

defederate with everything except lem.ee because I want them to defederate from us first. No federating with kbin or any non-lemmy instance. Lemmy.world is already bad enough, lemmy world full of people scared of the big bad scary commie developers of lemmy would be infinitely worse.

it makes me sad but we shouldn't be refedding with any instances that aren't addressing the reasons we defederated from them in the first place. ~~no blahaj unless they start actually cracking down on chasers and transphobe apologia~~. lemm.ee has a lot of dogshit posters but i don't know that i've seen anything so egrigious that defederation is required? i feel mixed on it. fuck programming.dev. when an admin is posting the shit nath posted we should probably just leave aussie. and i think we could try out kbin and mbin but be ready to bounce if need be
edit: kristina convinced me that we should give blahaj another chance but if the admins don't immediately crack down on any bullshit we immediately dip

idk what fedia.io is, I'm willing to give them a shot. lem.ee is a mixed bag but there's enough comrades there that I think we should continue to federate with them. no to the rest.
programming.dev's admin talks a good talk but his co-admin is a transphobe. they need to resolve that situation. blahaj is just chasers and transphobes at this point - they mod chasers and protect the feefees of chasers. so fuck no to them - please don't do it to our trans community. aussie.zone has a fash admin. kbin is lib central and will fucking hate us - we can federate with them but they'll defederate in a week.
- Really cool when the programming.dev admin apologized to Blahaj but not to the users he directly attacked and then never said anything again. Bad admin leads to bad instances. This is a lesson we should have all learned by now
- programming.dev's admin talks a good talk but his co-admin is a transphobe.
  Is that leaking into the content or is it just a "fuck this guy in particular because he said a thing somewhere"?
  aussie.zone has a fash admin
  Australian Excellence on display once again. sigh
  
  Is that leaking into the content or is it just a "fuck this guy in particular because he said a thing somewhere"?
  they have a really high reactionary / user ratio because they're all orange hellsite brained. so reactionary shit from the admin is more the last straw from me.

I'm gonna be real, I didn't even know we were federated with anyone besides Lemmygrad

Not a fan of feds, so de-federating sounds good.

Defed: programming.dev - transphobia
defed: lemmy.blahaj.zone - c/196 is bad
I don't have an opinion on the others as I haven't interacted with them at all
- defed: lemmy.blahaj.zone - c/196 is bad
  Refederating with lemmy.blahaj.zone would not include /c/196. From the OP:
  (we would selectively not federate with their /c/196 community)

I like federation in general, and want lemm.ee to stay, I've seen enough good members from there that I'd want them to stick around. That said, I don't think blahaj went well in the past, and I doubt it would go well this time. If everyone wanted to refed, I'm not against it, but I'm also not for it.
I don't think I am educated enough about the other instances to speak on them, but lean towards trying it.
- Some of the lemm.ee folks are cool I think we should keep them.
  
  What matters to me isn't that some of the folks are cool, it's that some are open reactionaries and Wehrmacht apologists and they are here in our comms. There's examples of both in the modlogs of the last 24 hours. I know that nobody here cares about that anymore because you all want to GROW THE SITE without any regards for the consequences like some silicon valley shills, which is why i'm left with no toher choice but drawing my conclusions -leave the site, never trust a cissie again, denounce all movements that will only use me when it is convenient and discard me when i become an inconvenience, enter an era of political homelesness. That really sucks, but it is the only logical conclusion i can draw from your eagerness to federate with a bunch of estonian anticommunist holocaust denialists.

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I'm honestly not too sure if federation with the last three is worth it, because I haven't really interacted with kbin at all and Blahaj definitely has some issues, so I might be open to changing to a walter-shock. I've seen some nice aussie and lemm.ee, so I want to keep them. I definitely want to keep programming.dev, because I find all the programming communities useful.

I'm too dumb to know how to use the images so I'll just say I'm for staying federated with all of them. They're annoying as hell but my dislike for them isn't strong enough to want to cut them off altogether.

question, would this wait for
to upgrade to 0.19.2? they’re still on 0.18.something and the instance blocking would help ease a second try

Federate them all, then remove as necessary.
- Removing the listed instances absolutely is necessary, particularly when it comes to the ones full of anticommunist nazi apologists like lemm.ee or the ones full of bazinga brains like programming.dev . I've yet to see a user from any of these instances that i can have a conversation with without at least cringing, they just don't belong here.

Defed:
Programming.dev - the smoke may've cleared on the drama about that one moderator, but I personally haven't seen any actual improvement in how transphobia is dealt on their end.
Aussie.zone - not an Australian, so I don't personally get anything outta feding with this one. If any user wants to chime in and say they want to keep it, I'll defer to them but imho not worth the racism from its userbase.
Stay feded:
Lemm.ee - this instance is a mixed bag, but the moderation is okay and there's not been much inter-instance drama with these lot for a while.
Stay defeded:
Blahaj.zone - if they've changed at all since the defed, it's been for the worse. I lurked for a while on there after Hexbear defeded, and have noticed a worsening site culture over there. Feding is likely to just cause more pointless slapfights.
Kbin.social - from what I can tell they're kinda similar in site culture to .world and sjw.
Fedia.io - this is the first time I've heard of this instance so this is just my knee-jerk response here. Better safe than sorry.

:dean-frown: It only causes trouble

more slop to distract our userbase from making bad posts!!

instance	vote
aussie.zone	, ban the reactionaries, including their admins
lemm.ee	, ban the reactionaries
programming.dev	, ban the reactionaries, including their admins
lemmy.blahaj.zone	, ban the reactionaries
kbin.social	, kbin.social is way too big to handle without federated mod actions, even with Hexbear's recent growth
fedia.io	for now, although with unfederated mod actions, it might become not worth it later

Federate with them all. Users can block instances in their settings now.
- Doesn't matter when their users are walking into our comms making them less safe for marginalized people. There is no compromise where we allow just some transphobes on this site and moderate them away after they've already done harm, they shouldn't be here in the first place as it used to be. I've massively cut down my time on this site since you liberals decided you want to pal around with a bunch of reactionary redditors, every single one of them on hexbear is one too many.

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