You are within your rights...
You are within your rights...
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We have a lot of fucking liberal ass losers in here. Must be election season.
Liberals have pulled this "You'd better vote for us because the other guy will literally kill you if they win!" thing since the 60s, they've just shifted around the minority group they target with their threats.
Maybe if liberals wanted a coalition with leftists, they'd try to do more than piss on our heads and say it's raining. You wanna vote for genocide Joe, that's your prerogative. But don't come in here and try to guilt me into voting for your boy who's out here running guns to a fascist ethnostate, who has done NOTHING to protect those minority groups, who's still building a wall, who's still raising the military/ICE budgets, and try to act like you're some high and mighty, moralistic motherfucker.
You want blue team to win because you think it's "harm reduction" to wait 10-15 years to implement whatever terrible thing conservatives want to do today.
Don't believe me? How's that border wall thing going?
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Don't believe me? How's that border wall thing going?
In the same vein, liberals always seem to forget that it was Biden, not Trump, who outlawed abortion.
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Maybe if liberals wanted a coalition with leftists, they'd try to do more than piss on our heads and say it's raining.
Holy shit, this. It would be awesome if we got in a position where we could call liberals' bluff. They claim they're progressive like us but whenever its time to do anything they always worry about "what would the republicans think?" as if they're too worried they're going to end up in an SJW cringe compilation.
It reminds me of innuendo studios alt-right playbook. Liberals are too concerned with taking the moral high ground to use these underhanded, but effective tactics the right does against them. In particular, I want to shout out this part of Innuendo Studios called the Cost of doing business. Democrats may not have to agree with us on paper, but if they want money and power, they would have to put up with us. Here's Innuendo Studios explaining it from the right's machine.. If it's possible, I would point this out that alienating progressives costs elections instead of embracing progressives, look at the rising union movement: only a fool would never take advantage of that, and here come the right ready to explain to them to blame Jews.
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The alt-right playbook is half of why I am a communism. When he said "If you want to fight fascism, move left." I know it seems obvious to us but it was a reaffirmation of decades of feelings I had but hadn't educated myself yet enough to put into words.
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I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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Anyone talking about harm reduction in the context of the Democratic Party needs to get a ban, cause that shit is straight up just fascist apologia at this late date
Makes about as much sense as some dork from 2012 talking about harm reduction by voting for Ron Paul
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Speaking of the border wall which party did the person belong to who recently actually proposed ending the asylum program.
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As someone in the demographics liberals say Trump will put in death camps:
Bring it. I've been psychologically prepared for this since the War on Terror made it clear that people like me can never be safe in America. I'm not bothered. You know who is? The fucking white liberals who are afraid Trump will take away the privileges they enjoy that normal people like me never had.
This is all projection on their part. That's why they're so upset when we say we won't be complicit in genocide. They know they can't admit they're worried about themselves because it looks bad, so they try to use us minorities as scapegoats for why they support genocide instead -- but when you peel back all their rhetoric, it's obvious that the White Liberal is too self-absorbed to care about anyone other than themself.
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Biden is the nominee, by the usual process of running unopposed.
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I don't know about that, this Uncommitted person seems to be making waves. Shame they couldn't get on all the ballots.
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But what if they're running against any other candidate? That could be a close race
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Technically he’s not unopposed, at least not in some states. But no incumbent president has ever done well in the election when he has to campaign in a primary, if he was challenged the most likely outcome would be he’d win the primary but lose the election.
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Incumbent presidents who have to campaign in the primaries generally lose the election because they're unpopular. That's why they have to campaign in the first place. The fact that Biden is currently historically unpopular for this point in his term is a sign that maybe he should be getting the LBJ treatment even by liberal standards, but Blue MAGA is going to Blue MAGA and throw the election like it's 2016 all over again.
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he’d win the primary but lose the election.
Prophetic
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So true! I bet none of these tankies were even aware of of the Policy Proposal: Biden 2025 documents we floated amongst fellow liberals this year.
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Technically
the best kind of 'correct'
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I love that in all the scenarios, we have to be “pragmatic” and not let perfect be the enemy of good, but Biden has to do nothing.
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Yeah, that's the part that sits badly about this whole angle to me. What, I owe a bunch of completely detached motherfuckers success? They sure seem like they're barely bothering to show up. If I was halfassing my job this bad i'd've been fired a year ago.
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He's not even doing that, he's being actively terrible. But we're told we have to vote for him because the other guy is going to be MORE terrible.
Maybe if libs want us to vote for him, he should try and not do terrible things? Just a thought.
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Don't let the perfect be the enemy of good. I know Claudia de la Cruz has some flaws like being the underdog, but she's the best candidate we can get on the ballot!
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When do we get a say on how the usual process works?
When do we get a say on how the usual process works, motherfucker?
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I have to admit - I have no idea what the goose (duck?) emojis represent. What are they?
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Edit. Now I know.
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In the primaries of course.
Which they just canceled in my state for the second time in a row.
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I don't think Biden being a pragmatic choice is a settled matter. I haven't seen anything that implies he is a meaningful distinction on things I care about.
Israel? Nope
Student debt? Nope
Abortion? Nope
Unions? Nope
Climate change? Nope
The border? Nope
Homelessness? Nope
War on drugs? Nope
Inflation? Nope
Tax lobbying? Nope
Healthcare? Nope
LGBT protection? Maybe if you squint your eyes
Campaign finance? Nope
Difference between productivity and purchasing power? Nope
Copyright? Nope
Breaking up big business monopolies? Nope
Oh yeah...
And...
WAR????????????????? FUCKING NO
The worst most hawkish fascist military might that has ever existed and continues to constrict the entire planet? Nope
The only difference is whether fascists get radicalized or they get emboldened
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Friendly reminder that Roe V. Wade was abolished under Biden.
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They weren't even saving the issue to cynically run on in 2024, which would be an obvious way to get votes.
Turns out he's just a shitbag who agrees with the decision on some level, so he won't even campaign on it without mincing words.
What a fucking joke. I just can't hear libs complain about how important this election is when the man himself is throwing.
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Thank you I feel like I’m the only one in the country willing to blame him for that. I don’t understand why people solely blame Trump and the republicans for a decision that happened under Biden. Yes Trump set the stage for it, but Biden was the one that let it happen.
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I love that there's a comment chain here I can't see meaning i've already blocked whatever lib decided to argue with this
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“I wouldn’t vote for me if I believed Tara Reade.”
Guess I'm the asshole for believing Tara Reade.
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dozens of us
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dozens i say!
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I noticed how #MeToo got sent straight to the Cornfield™ the nanosecond Reade spoke up.
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>didn't get exactly what you wantedAnd this right here is actually the crux of the issue showing itself in full force.
You ever wonder why shit gets sandbagged?
These smug liberals genuinely see our hardships and concerns but draws the conclusion "oh well good golly gee willickers! I guess they just love to throw tantrums".
There's nothing more I can say except
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“oh well good golly gee willickers! I guess they just love to throw tantrums”.
Then they turn around and wonder why I'd rather see the country fall in on itself than work with them even in the cases before genocide was an earnest plank of their party.
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"not getting exactly what you wanted", like i'm gonna have to eat chocolate ice cream with hershey's kisses in it instead of milka drops...
but in reality it's oops genocide
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After reading through the list of liberal complaints about what a unique and scary thing a 2nd Trump term would be, in particular with regards to the Project 2025, I'm beginning to wonder why Libs don't ever make demands of their party. Like, if Trump plans on sacking a whole bunch of civil-servants because they are perceived as disloyal to him/the GOP, then you already know what the gameplan for the Right is going to be, so just begin making your own preparations. Begin making your own database of freaks whom the GOP has put into power for being loyal foot-soldiers to the party and the second you get back into any sort of room that with decisionmaking power, begin ruthlessly purging them. Not like Biden is even against the concept of a purge, judging by how his team of bat-shit Neocons are currently running Ukraine.
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Don't you see? If we make demands of Biden, he might get ANGRY and in his wrath will unleash Trump upon us! We must appease the BIDEN lest we suffer under the hands of THE CHEETO ONE for our lack of faith!
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Somehow the libs have convinced themselves that removing civil servants from job positions immediately turns you into Mao, and thats UnDeMoCrAtIc
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Last election cycle, I got flamed by libs for suggesting that incoming administrations like Biden don't seem to have plans for implementing their ideas. They say something like "Biden is going to cancel student debt" then when I ask what the steps to do that would be, I just get NPC "neutral, neutral, neutral, mad" comic face. I then ask "there isn't even a folder laying around the Biden campaign office that has plans in it?
Apparently I'm a big, stupid asshole for asking stuff like that.
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Nuland just got purged lmao!
Probably self-purge seppuku of shame for her failure in Ukraine
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he is the nominee, through the usual process.
Oh yeah the usual process where we have a primary election to decide the nominee. I sure am glad there’s a primary I get to vote in to decide the nominee.
Oh wait, my state didn’t even have a primary! So no dipshit, he didn’t become the nominee by the usual process, he became the nominee by being entirely unopposed.
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This is my favorite part of the argument.
"You can voice your disapproval in thenorimaries but we have to all agree to come together and support whoever the nominee is"
shamelessly rat fucks every other nominee at every turn and repeatedly takes away your ability to even theoretically voice that disaproval
"Why is everybody unhappy with our candidate"
If your boss told you they had to fire you because you were late for work you would be reasonably upset if you had caught him slashing your tires that morning.
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I choose to punish the entire world!
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These people simply dont see Biden as a sponsor of genocide. There's no point in arguing with someone over whether or not to vote for Biden if you both can't agree on that fact.
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Or they are ok with genocide, but saying it out loud would be uncivil.
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This is the ultimate sticking point for me.
Biden does not need ro be doing a genocide, it isn't propping up support for him.
If they didn't want to do a genocide they could stop and increase support.
If they wanted to increase support they could stop doing a genocide.
But they don't, because continuing rhe genocide is, obviously from observable reality, more impirtant to them than easily beating those fascists they want you to he so concerned about.
If Biden announced today he was stopping aid to Isreal he'd win the election by 20 points.
But instead he won't and they'll just spend more time and energy blaming us.
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punish the entire world for not giving you exactly what you wanted
But enough about American foreign policy
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kill 10,000 kids
"pobody's nerfect, lol"
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Genocide is only a concern for purity testers, sweaty
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Never let these people put this on you. It's on them. If Trump wins, it's their fault for not advocating against genocide and for a different candidate.
They're the ones not making a pragmatic choice. The only thing they're choosing to do is scold people, which doesn't work.
And if we are irrational, if we aren't being pragmatic, then why do they think they could reason with us? If we're unreasonable and Biden is reasonable, then they should be directing their talk to him if they actually want to stop Trump.
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the usual process
lol. lmao
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oh thank fuck im within my rights
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Shit, i've been trying to punish the entire world my whole life
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"I'm not going to be blackmailed into saying that I'm enabling Trump to win. The Democrats did that to themselves." -- Bassem Youssef
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Pragmatic Genocide
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Sweet mother of fuck - what the heck?
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Fucking libs, that's what
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Ah.
I should have known.
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Liberals? In my Lemmygrad??
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I'd want to punish the world
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I'd want to punish the western world !
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This guy engagement baited his left so hard he got funding to run for office. I really feel like we need to do better about ignoring cynical actors like this.
Too late now for him, because his profile is raised now. But in the future maybe we should try to notice when we're getting baited for months-to-years and blowing up someone's numbers.
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I've been feeling this way about (online) leftism for a while. It's fun to laugh at idiots with you all, but realistically, I shouldn't even know what a Steven crowder or a groyper is.
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fascists were right about democrats being the party of entitlement, but it's not voters to our suvival needs it's the politicians to our votes.
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Yeah...Trumps foreign policy was incoherent, and this automatically better than Bidens, so make the pragmatic choice for the whole world
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Fucking freak needs his face smashed in a toilet bowl.
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William Gibson retweeted
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He is, unfortunately, a turbo lib
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Ok, let's flip the script. Republicans have been winning culture war after culture war for the past....50 years. You see real demand for some push back against the GOP and for your supposed values, and you're just wiling to take the risk to lose the election because you think enough concessions will appease the GOP? Biden literally had a golden opportunity to support Palestine and run on Trump being a zionist. Look at the rallies the so-called "normies" aren't all zionists, and anti-war is a historically winning strategy.
From an electoral standpoint, at least republicans found their winning strategy. Democrats are too pig-headed to try anything new, Minnesota dems have been on a roll when they were insecure in whether or not they'd even be around next election. New York democrats are so complacent they're twiddling their thumbs into irrelevance as the GOP gains ground. They're too scared of fitting the "SJW" stereotype perfectly.
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Techicaly Minnesota is a merger of 2 (on paper equal, in reality lop sided) parties the Democrats and the Farm & Labor Party, Back in the day Farm and Labor had the state utterly locked, but had no affiliation with a national party, and the Dems had the inverse situation, so the Dems proposed a merger, and now we get to today where the Dems are the party more or less, however I get to credit anything they do that is better for the working class that I would expect from the US to the Farm and Labor half.
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Stancil is a lanyard's lanyard. The OP made a mistake and didn't write "a real primary" so Stancil gets to be smug with his "Well, actually..." comment.
Not having a primary creates a powder keg of resentment. If Biden is such a strong candidate he would've won easily and it wouldn't have been an issue. If he's so strong why be so afraid of the competition?
There is literally a primary going on.
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What is baffling is that Trump is still a wildly popular candidate in his party. Republicans truly have absolutely zero ethics.
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It's the difference between telling your base you're going to give them exactly what they want because they're good and the dems lecturing their base that if they aren't excited to vote for Biden despite him telling you he doesn't give a shit about what you want it's because you don't understand politics.
He's a giant stupid asshole but he's still a better politician than dems. But just because that bar is literally underground.
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Will Stench with another banger.
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you are within your rights to believe Biden is not the perfect bottom. but he IS the bottom, through the usual process. so now the decision is before you - do you make a pragmatic choice or do you punish the entire top world for not giving you exactly what you wanted
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Weird how people not voting is "punishing the world for not getting exactly what they wanted" but the Democrats foisting the same old dude on us two elections in a row is somehow not worth criticism
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The left is wrong for not voting because they aren't getting exactly what they want. Democrats are right for doing exactly what they want, even though it will inevitably "punish the world"
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I see no realistic path to a Second Biden term, first nationaly Biden is super unpopular even in his own party, and Trump is still god king in his party, and second, with the Electoral Collage devaluing votes from populous states who tend to vote more democrat, I will be shocked if he wins. Now everytime I tell a lib this I get yelled at that its too soon to make predictions and Biden beet trump last time and vote blue no matter who. I can understand not wanting Trump to win, what I do not get is sicking your head in the sand and just assuming its a garenteed win
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they love to perform this inversion of real power structures by imagining individual voters as gods holding the entire world in their hand, and elected officials as unshiftable entities with no more free will or agency than a tree shedding its leaves for winter. it's like liberal democracy's entire purpose is to obscure the concentration of power, not to distribute it broadly.
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I'm voting for who I think best represents my interests. Am I doing it wrong or do I still have to run damage control for the libruls?
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350 comments o_o
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If you are able to vote, I advise you to renounce your American citizenship.
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The absolute fucking nerve of these freaks accusing anyone else of causing harm as their guy, for whom they are trying to shame us into voting, actively funds a genocide.
Not just funding, delivers bombs for it too. The bombs falling are literally biden's bombs.
Imagine someone putting a piece of paper on your desk, imagine knowing that signing it means that fascists will be handed around that will be used to commit a genocide, killing thousands of innocents. And then imagine signing the paper instead of tearing it up in revulsion, like a sane human being would do. You have to be a literal demon to do something like that.
Genocide Joe doesn't belong in the Hague, he belongs in a free Palestine in front of a war crimes and genocide tribunal there. If there were justice in this world he would be hanged.
You don’t think a 2nd Trump administration would fund a genocide? Why? What about Trump says to you, “Oh yeah, this guy would definitely put a stop to the mass-murder of brown people”?
I think if you tell me "the other guy would fund a genocide" while your guy is funding a genocide, I'm gonna tell you to shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up.
Oh god oh no Trump might also continue genocide? Wow that would be.... Exactly the same... How terrible!
Nobody is saying they think he'll stop it dickhead. Literally nobody in this thread has said that. But "Trump will be genocidal too" is not the defence of your guy that you seem to think it is.
Ever wonder if youll be able to vote for a guy you aren't positive will fund a genocide?
Ever get tired of advocating for something so very disrurbing? It must be ennervating, right? You thought Trump would be gone after the last time.
Ever ask yourself why you ask for so little?
Is it the pragmatic choice to make yourself so small?
Go back to Reddit
Holy shit, go back to reddit.
EDIT: This loser had a snoo profile picture, but they seem to have changed it to a...cartoon facebook avatar? After being mocked for their redditorness.
You're absolutely right. I hereby refuse to vote Trump because I believe he would fund genocide. Do you pledge to not vote Biden because he funds genocide?
Why do you think they're gonna vote for Trump? Clearly he is choosing not to vote for a presidential candidate who supports genocide.
Point me to the person who said they would vote for Trump. People aren't willing to vote for a genocide.
I know a second Biden term will fund a genocide because that's what the first Biden term is doing.
I think Trump will fund a genocide. I know Biden is funding a genocide. I also know Trump was funding that same genocide four years ago when he was in office. When he moved the embassy just to appeal to the zionist monsters. Track record proven.
Also given that a lot of people are finally awakening to the reality experienced by Palestinians we can safely conclude that Obama, Bush, all the rest going back 75 years were funding a genocide. You really think you can shame us into supporting a system that is so demonstrably rotten to the core on some sort of lesser-evilism bullshit? The time to be fed up with this shit was decades ago. But it's better late than never. That's a real sentiment of lesser fucking evil.
Would liberals support and back a Trump genocide, unlike the Biden genocide that IS currently happening
Go back to reddit
An assailant is beating your family to death with a bat. But if you stop him, maybe another guy will come along and pick up the bat, and maybe he might be hypothetically stronger, so I guess you better cheer on the guy currently beating your family to death instead.
There are arguments as to why a Trump admin could also be theoretically better in terms (less competent, more easily swayed, might actually see opposition), but it doesn't matter. Because if you're playing hypothetical games at this point about a fucking genocide you're just trying to excuse the fact you're fine with it. And if that's the case, fuck you.
snoo pfp
So your pitch is we should vote for Biden because he'll do the same genocide that Trump will do?
I heard Trump has plans to send the US Navy to ensure the genocide continues, on top of funding Israel too!
hypothetical genocide under Trump vs. actual genocide occurring right now under Biden
The correct answer is C, none of the above. Two bourgeois genocidal freaks are our only options, and you don't seem to see that as an extremely urgent problem