Do any other countries make students do this?
Do any other countries make students do this?
Do any other countries make students do this?
We had religious hymns in assembly and I FUCKING hated it. Stop making me sing about god you weirdos and let me play with my tamagochi
https://www.saveourschoolsmarch.org/what-countries-have-a-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools/
Philippines, Singapore, India, Nigeria, Indonesia, and Japan all have in-school pledges.
I think the impact of the pledges are heavily overstated, particularly as kids get older and begin to naturally rebel. Sort of like how D.A.R.E. was a failure, in large part because it was quickly apparent to a lot of teenagers that this stuff was inflated bullshit. The real value, I think (much like with DARE), is in identifying certain kids who are outwardly rebellious and singling them out for punishment. Pledges become a litmus test for general obedience.
D.A.R.E. taught me that weed was non-addictive and also gave me an excuse to wear hot pink because I beat my entire class at trivia and won a hot pink D.A.R.E. t-shirt. It made it into the rotation, and was of such a radioactive hue that relatives and classmates alike would avert their eyes from the pain. It was glorious, and probably should have been a not-so-subtle hint that I was a freaking egg.
Edit: The fucking winning question was the names of the four Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I was the only diehard TMNT fan in my tiny 6th grade class, so there was an audible groan as everyone in the room turned to look at me, "say the line, Bart"-style.
yeah, we never had pledges and sang the anthems only on national holidays and still nearly everyone grew up to be a nationalist chud, so i don think it's necessary...
Amateur hour, I grew up saying the pledges of allegiance to both the US and Christian flags.
I found a crimethinc pamphlet on the ground in NYC while on a school trip, in 6th grade. I was already too lazy to do the pledge but it definitely put me on the correct path. Thanks whoever littered rather than challenge themselves with something they never would've seen.
it definitely put me on the correct path. Thanks whoever littered
✨mistakes into miracles✨
When I was in school I remember it being optional even post 9/11, I don't remember getting any shit for not doing it, but this was like in high school and I'm sure things have probably changed for the worse.
same. couple of teachers would give you dirty looks but they weren't allowed to do anything about it because there was a court ruling at the time that prohibited discrimination on that basis (or at least that's what we were told in civics class). wouldn't be shocked if it got rolled back.
Venezuela had you sing the national anthem every morning, or least that was the case in my private school.
I live in Argentina and we sang the Venezuelan Anthem because my childhood school was named after that country. In fact, during assemblies we flew both the Argentinian and Venezuelan flags, and I even got to carry the latter once.
I think Germany used to do it alot. Not so much anymore for some reason.
was going to come here and joke that "probably nazi germany", but chose not to because reality is way funnier than i could ever be
they still do at high school games in Germany. Admittedly it's usually the song of the town, or the song of the state (or state before it was merged, just to mess with the other states), and some of the songs sound very much, uh, march-in-formation-y.
(US) yeah, totally. the lesson i learned was how easily most people will do and say a thing they don't believe in just to avoid scrutiny from the broader group even when the orders are coming from the tiny minority that hold all institutional power.
and how like 5-10% of the obedient group are unhinged freaks who delight in enforcing discipline. by late high school though, most of us just stood there and didn't hand-on-heart/recite. and really the standing only happened when the instructor was like some divorced-dad dipshit coach or karen that would note who wasn't patriotic and look for ways to retaliate. normal teachers just stood at their desk and looked at their plans or whatever unless an administrator was doing a spot check.
No, that's weird and fucked up and the most obvious indoctrination ever. But I went to a Catholic primary school and a Protestant secondary school and in both of them we had to do different prayers. Also the Protestant school explicitly favoured Protestants, it was a private school and gave priority to Protestant children to get in. Idk how they got away with that because that is so fucking illegal
Ours was Catholic, but they also liked money, like a lot - so it was full to the brim with Indians and South Asians. Let's just say the Vicar had no idea what to do, and the kids parents were clearly pushy enough for him not to be able to ask them sing any songs like "god has a white beard and a six pack" or "we are the chosen people" or anything blatantly western.
We did sing some nice neutralish songs that stay with me today:
When a knight won his spurs in the battles of old
He was gentle and brave he was gallant and bold
With a shield on his arm and a lance in his hand
For God and for Valour he rode through the land
When my family moved to Florida when I was in elementary school yes. But when we moved back to New York I'm 100% sure i wasn't in a school that ever did it.
Damn we had to do it in Upstate New York or else you got dirty looks.
Honestly as trivial as it is in light of virtually everything else the performative patriotism adorning American society is the thing I’ve had a bug up my ass about the longest. Mawkish as hell. Cringy as hell.
pretty sure nazi germany did, no?
I started sitting through it half way through highschool. I was lucky enough to have a couple teachers who while were extremely uncomfortable with what I was doing, were at least worldly enough not to make a stink about it. They'd basically pull a biden 'c'monn maannn' before giving up which was cool. One teacher even revealed that she used to do the same thing in high school like 40 years back and understood it.
We don't really have this in Denmark, no such thing as a pledge of allegiance existed when I went to school. Our music teacher once had us sing the national anthem and told us we had to stand but that was it. It wasn't a recurring event. We did sing quite a few national romantic songs from the 1800's in music class but those were more idealised descriptions of landscape and seasons than homages to the state.
The school had a flagpole that was used at official flag days (Christian holidays, WWII anniversaries and royal birthdays) and at festive events the stage was lined with tho flags but we understood those more as a festive decoration (like at birthdays) than a political and nationalist manifestation.
Things have worsened a bit since I went to school in the 1990's but it is still nothing compared to American children chanting pro-regime slogans every morning.
Yeah and those national romantic songs were usually tied to history lessons as well: "Denmark got bombed to shit so we had to find another way to feel good about ourselves, let's sing this song and analyse it."
The good thing about your country losing all it's wars is that the nationalist cult can't really do the "we will water our fields with the blood of our enemies!" things but have to make do with "it's nice here in the summertime".
We actually sang the anthems of each of the branches of the armed services too. Kinda creepy, but being able to play Anchors Away My Boys from memory has come in handy later in life.
Pretty sure Singapore had something similar, but not sure if they still do it.
In mexico we did a huge ceremony lasting over an hour every monday, and on some special days. There was the anthem. some nerds carring around a falg, marching in circles. then there was an oath to the falg. The calss in charge would also do some sort of play or dance or something wich they usually reahearesed for months. And then there whould be anouncments. So even if it was every monday instead of every day the time invested was probably more than in the us.
When i was in a religious school there would also be prayer and some bullshit. But mexico has a long history of facism, only turkey comes close.
🎶 Mexicanos al grito de guerra… 🎶
In South Africa we sang the national anthem at the end of the term/semester during assembly, but that was it. The worst was singing Christian hyms once a week during the weekly assemblies. At a government school! Technically illegal but no one gave a shit because South Africa is 80% Christian. I remember getting weird looks when I stopped singing at the age of 14/15 because I was no longer religious.
I had to pledge to the flag in Argentina, way back when I was a kid. We also stood in formation as the flag is raised and lowered each day.
We sang all kinds of anthems too, from the national anthem to the Himno a Sarmiento (some racist fuck), Himno de San Martin (cool guy), Marcha de las Malvinas (indoctrination to hate the british) and the Himno a la Bandera (flag), too many anthems to memorize and whenever they played them I just made sounds with my mouth pretending I was following the lyrics lmao.
Marcha de las Malvinas (indoctrination to hate the british)
I'm guessing it's hate the British in a "revanchist, support the Argentine military dictatorship" way, so probably nah.
I think in Australia it's once a week
EDIT: No wait, it's the national anthem. I don't remember a pledge.
Nope! Lol. It's a thing that always struck me as odd about the us. Some countries have assemblies and most sing national anthems once in a while, but I've only ever heard of the pledge in propaganda about socialist countries or about Nazis.
We do not, and we unironically have a parade about how cool WW1 was.
We had a ceremony every monday morning and friday evening were the whole school divided into each class stood at attention and said a pledge of allegiance followed by the national hymn in Turkey.
This was because we were in a private school where the rules were more relaxed. Public schools did it twice daily.
When I was in Turkish school we used to sing the istiklal marşı to the decapitated head of Ataturk like he was a god. A god who secularized the country. I was surrounded by some of the most miliyetci fascists I'd ever met in that school. I stopped going because of the nationalism, and my turkish got worse.
My ex is an Italian who grew up in Germany, and she went to an Italian school where they had a similar kind of fascism going on. She stayed, but not her brothers. Her Italian is fantastic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance is (currently) about the US one, while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance_(disambiguation) has a few others.
The "under god" part was only added to it (for anticommunist reasons) in 1954.
We sang the national anthem at school assemblies, and that was about it.
It uhh...could be worse for you guys though I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
Def do the national anthem in
I live in an As Left As They Come area, so we do a land acknowledgement before the national anthem. It's very stupid and patronizing. 10/10 lefty-left extremely-left leftmaxxing, for sure.
The reactionary hellhole school i went to did the same thing
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we had the anthem played in class every day.It was a half-french half-english version, but on Fridays in elementary school we had the fun one that had the acapella quartet doo-wop guys recording.
In high school if you were late to school, you weren't allowed to walk to class while the anthem was playing.
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Not in Wales (although the UK government has floated the idea of a pledge of allegiance a couple of times). What they did do was make everyone recite the Lord's Prayer. No-one was exempt, not the handful of Muslims, not the sizable portions of atheists, and not me with whatever made up religion I'd claimed I was in this week (I was deep in new atheism and would probably've become a misogynist if I hadn't grown up to be a woman).
In Australia I only remember singing the national anthem at school assemblies about once a week
Yeah same. Sometimes there'd be a special assembly and we'd have to stand and sing for that too, but typically it was a once a week thing and no one was really forcing us to sing, just stand.
How many countries even have a "Pledge of Allegiance"?
Many countries still do this. Democracies, by the way.
I don't know of any other country that has children make a pledge to the flag of their nation every morning in school. A bunch sing the anthem, but the pledge seems uniquely American.
In one school I did the national anthem and the Lord's prayer every day, when I moved to another school I was a little confused when we didn't do the Lord's prayer but we still sang the national anthem every day
I bet they didn't have the part of the lord's prayer about forgiving debtors
lol most local government meetings (in red counties) still start with the pledge of allegiance AND a prayer
Yeah
Nazi Germany
We did the national anthem once in a while here in Canada but no, nothing like your thing
It's mandatory in China every Monday
They made us stand in the yard to listen to the anthem every Monday but I don't remember ever doing a pledge, but it might be different depending on city I guess.
being 20% as bad as america is still a huge L tbh
When I was still living in AmeriKKKa, one kid in my 12th grade maths class taught me to start shitting on the pledge by calling it "corporate America" and things like "oil barons, Walmart, Lockheed Martin and Fox News", finishing off with "America deserved 9/11", something like that. But saying it in a way where it doesn't immediately stand out like me windmilling my piss on the Vietnam War Memorial, lmao
God I wish I was that fucking cool as a 17 year old
I always just pretended the pledge wasn't happening. I hoped a teacher would throw a fit about it tbh. They never did though
In my country you had to pledge allegiance to the dead founder every morning. Some people lost their shit when it was lifted.