Constitutional amendment to allow Trump third term introduced in the House

It’s impressive how hard these people lick boots.
- But also how shameless they are, doing it in full public view
  
  And the gargling too

Good fucking luck with that hurdle.
They need a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate; or a conventio called by Congress at the request of two-thirds of the state legislatures. Then it has to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
Even if they managed a super majority on both sides of Congress for Trumplefuck, there's no way they're getting 38 States to agree to that.
- I don't think the law is a restricting factor for the trump regime.
  
  That's what the Trump regime wants us to think.
- It's sad that you guys still think the rule of the constitution is some massive roadblock that they've somehow missed. They literally made an Executive Order that just says "No" to the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, do you think none of them noticed? They get to have a vote about ludicrous things, and they get to gleefully destroy the lives of any Republican who dares vote against them. Maybe it gets struck down for the time being? Who cares, the courts are packed, they can realistically just start killing people pretty soon and it'll start with the disloyals and the true believers as needed as it always does.
  You cannot logical trap nor get off on technicalities fascists. It does not matter to them, they will just do what they want anyways, all that matters is if they can crush anyone who tries to stop them.
  They are pushing the boundaries of the conversation and they are testing the waters, and every time they're pushed back on they use the limp push back to consolidate more power because nobody has been willing to actually stop them.
  
  With all due respect, that is some real defeatist dog shit. Yes, Trump and cronies have no respect for the constitution or the rule of law. But if we collectively roll over at the first fascist executive order, that's exactly what they want us to do.. They are testing the waters. The supreme court is packed, but every circuit court in the country certainly isn't. And that's where these battles are already being fought. We need to collectively resist every encroachment, every power grab. Otherwise we're nearly as culpable as Trump for the rise of fascism.
  
  There are only two tried and true methods I am aware of to stop fascists:
  Killing them
  Making them kill themselves
  I’m going to enjoy seeing this comment get removed. I’ll think about it as I’m put on the train to the death camp.
- Trump is the candidate during next election
  Red States let him be an option even though they shouldn't
  He wins enough red States to have a majority
  They name him president even though it's against the Constitution
  The supreme Court is packed with his picks so they don't do anything about it
  Tada! Civil war? Dissolution of the USA? Who knows!?!
  
  This.
  We need to stop acting like the norms matter at all, like the rules still apply. We must treat this like what it is: a threat to our very survival.
  The US government, at least the parts that actually could do something about this, are on the brink of total collapse or dismantlement. I hate to say it but I think the time for peaceful resistance is long since past, i don't see any way this is going to end without bloodshed
- Trump is ruling by executive order and no one is stopping him from doing any of it, constitutional or not.
  He'll just issue an executive order to lower the threshold and at best that order gets challenged and goes to the SCOTUS, and we all know what will happen there.
  
  The only effective short-term roadblocks are going to be legal challenges, like the ones WA's governor and AG have been preparing for. You're right that this only works until it gets overturned by SCOTUS, and it doubly hurts progressives because we now have to spend resources (time and money) fighting nonsense instead of fighting for causes we want...like some goddamn healthcare.
  Delay. Deny. Depose.
  
  There's already an injunction against one of his orders. I'm sure more will come.
- The Night of the Long Knives would like to have a word with you
- It's obviously completely performative, this is a very common move in US politics in general, I've noticed--introducing a bill they know is definitely not going to pass, but makes them look good to their base.

It's cute how so many in the comments think the legal checks will prevent this. They don't care about the law or the Constitution in the same way they don't care about optics, hypocrisy, decorum, or process. People keep viewing this through the lense of American democracy. None of that matters to fascists.
- Yeah, people don't seem to truly understand this, and I fear it will take something extreme before they do... And it's likely already too late now, let alone by then.
- They care about the law the same way the nazi's cared about the law until the night of the long knives. I suspect their mass deportation plan is really them gearing up for the night of the long knives 2.0.
  
  Night of broken glass comes first.
  Wait for them to loot and pillage “immigrant” owned businesses.
- After four years of them being in power, he'll probably just be able to...not leave, regardless of any election. Who would stop him?
  
  Presumably someone with better aim than the last shooter.
  I’d be very careful as a wannabe dictator in a land with this many guns. The next four years are going to be tense for everyone.
  
  Trump even said he shouldn't have left in 2020. So think that is the plan already.
  
  The constitution says he's no longer president Jan 20.
- In the end, the country isn't a democracy. It's a complicated system with complicated interactions.
  It's really not impossible that a democracy turns into fascism.
  
  Thought about that regarding the current events in Germany. If people democratically vote for fascism, that's still a democratic vote. Only the outcome might be less democratic (or not at all) but at least once people choose this path willingly, following democratic rules.
  At the end it's perfectly legal to do this. The question is more if it's good or bad. It maybe even stupid. But here we are.
- I can't like this comment enough!!! When will we learn they DON'T PLAY BY THE RULES. If the magats want this to pass, they will manipulate, intimidate, bend, or break the rules to do it. This is how coups happen. They don't sit down and ask nicely, they just DO IT and back it up with military force if they have to.
- They care so little they're trying to get an amendment passed... wait.

“It is imperative that we provide President Trump with every resource necessary to correct the disastrous course set by the Biden administration,” Ogles said in a statement
so Biden created a bad situation for him in 4 years, yet he thinks Trump needs 8 years to undo it. Sounds like a skill issue to me.

In order for it to pass, they need 290 votes in the House. The Republicans currently have 220 votes, so they would need 70 Democrats to flip.
Then it goes to the Senate where they need 67 votes. First, 60 to get past the inevitable filibuster, and with 53 votes, Republicans need 7 Democrats to flip to move it forward and 14 to pass it.
Then, the fun part, they need 38 states to ratify it. Trump did win 31 states, so he would still need 7 Harris states to ratify an amendment.
- Nah. They're just gonna say "whachu gonna do about it" as he sits in the office for the third time. Or the richest men in the world backing the regime will just ~~bri~~ lobby.
  
  Don't forget, he'll sit in his office with his private army of proud boys surrounding him after he pre pardons them for shooting anyone who dares approach their precious leader.
  
  Exactly. He already tried that once, he'll fucking do it again.
- Lol cute.

Good job guys, you saved Palestine!
- Why are y'all still fighting about this? Your farce of an election is over, what purpose does this ceaseless bickering serve?
- Fuck you, that wasn't why Trump won. It was because Dems offer nothing but the avoidance of something worse.
  I'm outraged at the genocide and voted for Biden anyway. People can be mad at Dems and demand better without being responsible for their failure.
  
  The American people failed.
  This was fucking advertised. This was chosen. This was voted for.
  Stupidest populous on earth.
  
  The avoidance of all of this is probably the single most motivating thing in existence. Implying otherwise is strange.
  You don't sleep in your actively burning home because none of the local hotels tickle your fancy.

What a frivolous waste of congressional speaking time. I thought these guys had real problems to solve? I thought Trump was gonna fix it all this time around? You're telling me not even 1 week into his new term and he's already thinking about how the job won't be done in time?
Conservatives are pathetic.
- If this fails, you can expect them to redefine what a "term" means. And if that fails they can simply cancel elections under "emergency" conditions and keep him in office for longer.
  ... and if that fails, they can just say "too bad" and do whatever they want anyway because who's going to stop them?
  
  And if everything they try fails then "see it wasn't so bad"
- That's basically what I've been posting on Social Media anytime shit like this happens.
  "How does this lower grocery prices?"
  Ask whenever the Right or Center is listening, keep the message on "Trump is distracting you from what he isn't doing, but should."
  
  Thank you for saying grocery instead of egg. So many people say eggs and it is going to age like milk when the bird flu recedes even though groceries will generally still be expensive otherwise.
- I just want to point out that this is just one of the many many campaign promises he is trying to fulfill. Sure, it’s a big deal. But simply saying “conservatives are pathetic” is not only reactionary, it is wrong. Look at what is happening to immigrants. You might not see them as a problem, but conservatives do, and they are “solving” it.
  Just saying, this shit is way scarier this time around. They’re fuckin’ moving.
- On the other hand, better they do nothing than actuality successfully fucking everything up.
  
  The worry is that perhaps Trump is smarter than he appears, and all he's doing is showing his followers that he's still all about setting up a autocratic government which they'll get to be the muscle for, ready to do a violent takeover the moment elections stop working (just like last time, but this time better armed and better organised)

Me as a Tennessean: "I bet it's Andy Ogles"
Checks
Goddamn can I read that man like a fucking book. I'm sorry we're all trying to vote the bastard out but the State gerrymandered the district because... AND I SHIT YOU NOT... "California does it, so it's okay if we do it too". Honest to God what our State Assembly said about breaking Nashville up into a hellscape of gerrymandering.
Do know, he's an idiot IRL as well. He's the kind that's really full of himself and he's got a super high self-worth in head.
- I'm in Cali. I don't think we're even Gerrymandered that badly, tbh. Someone can correct me if they want, but last time I looked at our congress map, it seemed pretty sane to me. Maybe it's changed?
  
  I don't know how bad gerrymandering is here compared to other states, but California Gov. Gavin Newsom has vetoed legislation that would have required dozens of his state’s largest cities, counties and educational districts to use independent commissions to draw voting districts, dealing a setback to “redistricting reform” advocates.
  California governor vetoes bill requiring independent panels to draw local voting districts -AP News, Oct. 2023
  “We’re frustrated, confused and deeply disappointed,” Jonathan Mehta Stein, executive director of voting rights group California Common Cause, said Monday. He added: “We were hopeful that this was an opportunity for California to show the rest of the nation what it looks like to put gerrymandering behind us.”

Imagine the Dems brought Obama back
- No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms...
  Obama served 2 consecutive terms so would be ineligible. They literally wrote this so that only Trump would be eligible.
  
  Even in their fantasies they're scared of Obama.
  
  So fucking petty and childish.
- The amount of seething could power the country in perpetuity
- Oh, fuck no. Obama's leadership is what got us in this mess. He and the Clinton's drove the Democratic party off a cliff.
  
  Salty downvotes on this comment. Very funny
  Imagine trying to pretend the Clintons weren't just Reaganites, or that Obama wasn't a total fraud

And there it is..
- Didn't even wait a whole week. Emporer Trump inbound

Do they really expect their orange beanbag leader to still be alive in four years? And if he still is, to still be able to know his own name or speak coherently in public?
- He only needs to stagger over the four-year line before dropping dead, and Republicans get to stay in charge for four more years.
  
  For four more years, so far.
- Actuarial tables for an obese guy of his age reckon 50/50 chance of making it to the end of his term. Of course he has access to better healthcare than most.
  
  Better health care but I gotta imagine day to day odds aren't so hot for a dude who's on a diet of McDonalds and Diet Coke. Kind of surprised he's made it to 78.
  
  I can see him possibly making it that far ... but I really don't think he'll be making much more sense the older he gets. He could live another 20 years, it doesn't mean he'll have all his marbles.
  
  They'll prop his bloated corpse onto a metal pole to put behind glass as they continue to run things while their dear leader 'rests and recuperates.'
- My guess is it's for the next guy
  
  They know it has no chance to pass. It's with straight up boot licking, or they think they have a plan to bypass the amendment process.
- Weekend At Donnie’s
- Even if he survives, he's on the mental decline, so he needs to be replaced with someone.

A constitutional amendment required 2/3s House and Senate AND 3/4 of states. And they don’t have that. This is more bullshit to distract.
To amend the U.S. Constitution, a proposed amendment must be approved by a two-thirds majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, and then ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states). Alternatively, an amendment can be proposed by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures, but this method has never been used.
- This is more bullshit to distract.
  This is saying it louder for the people in the back. Musk's Nazi Salute isn't getting the message across? Okay, how about this?
  
  They so desperatly want a hidden militia to come out of the woodwork and coup the country for them
  Those people are either dead from covid, too old to fight for their coup, or are just LARPers and actually aren't interested in dying for a con man.
- Ok. How many votes do they need to change the rule governing how many votes a constitutional amendment requires?
  
  That would also be an amendment to the Constitution.
  The last amendment that passed took over 200 years to get through the process.
  
  the same amount,
  The United States Constitution Article V:
  The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
- Laws don’t apply to trump.
  
  So if people commit crimes against Trump, he isn't protected? No laws right?
  
  They don't apply to Biden either

Standard traitor shit.

Pretty cool how we have the freedumb to install a dictator.
- This is what happens when you dont have a democracy
  
  This is what happens when you have stupid people that vote en masse.
  
  Cuz of first past the post.
- Just First Past the Post voting things.

So where them 2A folk at LOL
- Why aren't the "left" arming themselves while an obvious fascist takes power? "LOL"
  
  We aren’t loud about it, but many of us are always armed and many more are getting there.
  
  I’ve got more guns than limbs.
  
  They are. It frequently comes up here.
- Probably confused as hell watching the democrats refusing to drop gun control as part of their platform after an attempted insurrection and police violence repeatedly happening with no justice system reform.
  But the blue conservatives were never really about representing people. What else did I expect?
  'Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary' - Karl Marx

From the article:
Ogles’ resolution is tailored specifically to permit Trump to serve a third term, but not to allow three out of the four living former presidents to serve third terms.
It's a Trump only privilege which, given the track record, could have been assumed, unfortunately.

On one hand: called it. On the other: fuck.

FTA" "Trump “has proven himself to be the only figure in modern history capable of reversing our nation’s decay and restoring America to greatness, and he must be given the time necessary to accomplish that goal,”" - He hasn't don't anything yet!! How has he 'proven himself'
- He's proven that he's a fascist and demented psycho, so that's good enough for republicans.
  
  I think you mean a fascist, demented sociopath.
- good lord...

Trump is not exactly a spring chicken. He is one mild medical event to being in the history book.
- COVID nearly killed him and RFK is antivax sycophant. I'm not a betting man but...
- Great, than we end up with Vance aka the young, healthy, couch-fucking, monarchist who lacks Trump's compulsive need for worship.
  
  Vance used to be the face of Never Trump, which makes his actual motives a mystery. The best possibility would rely on him pulling a long con, but so would the worst possibility.

The Right has outgrown their use for masks.

Obama returns to the presidency in 2028!
- ''No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms," the amendment states. Former Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama all served two consecutive terms, and thus would be barred from being elected to a third term. But not Trump, who is the first president since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to be elected to a second, non-consecutive term.
  
  It doesn't really matter. Getting a new constitutional amendment ratified is basically impossible at this point.
- Not paying attention. He already served two consecutive terms. Can't run for a third unless you win a term them lose a term then win a term and need a third term to actually get shit done.

To amend the United States Constitution, a proposed amendment must be approved by Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the states. The process is outlined in Article V of the Constitution.
Congress: A two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate is required
Constitutional convention: Two-thirds of state legislatures must call for a convention
Ratification: Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment
Each state legislature must vote on the amendment in an up-or-down vote
State legislatures cannot change the language of the amendment
This is DOA

Surely we would all actually show up to try to fight this, right? If it passed.
- Absolutely. People talk about another civil war. If you start hearing about spontaneous violence in the streets, that's when you need to worry. I think if this actually passed, we'd start hearing about stuff like that.
  Realistically, Republicans know this has no chance of passing. Frankly, I think this is just mean-spirited trolling--which is a good indicator of the state of our politics. We want to see the other side suffer.
  
  They introduce it now, and even some conservatives laugh it off as "just a joke," but within the next 4 years, it will be raised many more times, each time with them getting more serious. They put it out there like this so it's less shocking the second, third, and fourth time you hear it. By the end, every conservative bootlicking moron will be lining up to say "presidents should be allowed to have an uninterrupted span of 8 years of rule so as to enact the agenda we 'voted' for!"
  It's predictable. I'm going to buy some guns and start hitting the range.
  
  It's the fascist version of all the pie-in-the-sky progressive stuff that gets introduced when they know they can't get the votes. I wish more of them actually gave a shit about the American people as much as optics and pandering so they can keep sucking the megadonor teat.

'No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms," the amendment states. Former Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama all served two consecutive terms, and thus would be barred from being elected to a third term. But not Trump, who is the first president since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to be elected to a second, non-consecutive term.
- So if Carter rises from the dead he can get a solid 8y in?
  
  Bring back Grover Cleveland!
- So only unpopular 3 terms allowed? Yeah, that seems reasonable. Standard playbook
- This is the real power move. If trump can run again so can Obama.
  
  No, because Obama has been elected two consecutive terms.

Wonderful idea, I can't wait for a third Obama term.
- It’s written to exclude Obama.
- It's written specifically to exclude Bush, Clinton, and Obama, Trump is the only person it can apply to.

The neo-Nazi filled GOP can shove their 3rd term idea where the sun does not shine.

Stop hand wringing in here. It's fucking stupid, and a PR play. You need 38 states for a constitutional amendment, and that isn't happening however you slice it.
- Just shoot however many states are missing govenors in the head, as the SC has ruled the president can order anything illegal. Repeat until passed.
  The US has rotten so much on the inside over the past decades, that this decline of the nation is inevitable. Question is only, if people will let the fascists control the decline until the country lies in rubbles, or if people will fight to create a new nation.
- It wouldn't even get that far. You need either two thirds of both House and Senate or for two thirds of the states to call for a constitutional convention just to propose an amendment.
- We have witnessed, already, the breakdown of democratic society and the rule of law in this country. You need to stop looking at everything through that paradigm because they are just gonna steamroll straight through that shit. They already have.

Well if the heritage Foundation is going to follow the book of revelation, he needs to be there for 7.5 years.

It obviously won't get close to passing but it would be incredible for Democrats if it did. He has zero margin in the House, nothing major is passing into law except tax cuts. All his executive order policies are inflationary.
So either he's crashing the economy, taking the blame for continued inflation, or getting nothing of consequence done. And he'd be 83 and asking for four more years. He'd get crushed.
- We've played this game twice now. Let's not try a third game of fascism chicken
  That said Obama vs trump would be a funny campaign. "My fellow Americans, look at this absolute buffoon. You want proof I'm a natural born citizen? I've been stuck here with him too."
  
  This amendment’s wording wouldn’t allow Obama or Clinton to run again. Only Trump.
  
  He has never won as the incumbent.
- He will use Musk's money, again, to cheat, again, in my opinion.
- Of course he will wreck the rather healthy US economy and break the unemployment record again, which he currently holds from his 1st term.

Seems more like someone sucking up to Trump rather than something they realistically believe they could get passed
- That's a really dangerous way of thinking. We can no longer normalize this stuff by going "it'll never actually happen." It CAN happen. Get your head out of the sand and stop minimizing the very real threat our democracy is facing.
  
  What democracy? We've been living in a police state our entire lives. Talk about a dangerous way of thinking, ffs, how many hundreds of thousands of people were murdered under the Bush administration alone, and you act like that was just healthy democracy? Why were Bush and Obama on the same page about the erosion of our civil liberties and global imperialism? I swear, some of you are just miles from the correct explanation.
  
  This one won't happen though. It doesn't have the votes. It would require a Constitutional amendment, and thus a LOT of Democrats on board.
  You can't freak out about every possible thing.
- And we were all overreacting about Roe v Wade. "Precedent", "established law", "checks and balances". It could never happen, they said.
  
  I really would like to see some of those checks and balances I've heard so much about. Must have gotten confused—it's cheques for the rich, on our dime, to make their balance keeps going up.
- Reminder that they control all branches of government and can do whatever the hell they want.
  Even though I partially agree that it’s probably somebody sucking up instead of them passing a “remove all term limits” bill instead.
  Or maybe they’re just testing the waters and compliance of the people currently elected, heck if I know.
- Yeah there is less than zero percent chance this happens.

I don't think they want Obama running again..... He whooped their ass twice.
- It's Grover Cleveland's time to shine

That will never happen, legally, anyway.
However
22nd amendment says:
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. ...
So what they are gonna do is that:
They are gonna argue that presidents are not "elected" but appointed by the Electoral College, therefore the 22nd amendment doesn't apply and hereby null and void.
Or just use elect VP + accension to presidency loophole, and run a dead person as President, then trump as VP, since the placeholder name they put for president isn't alive, VP become president.
Or just cast placeholder names for presidency and VP, and use the Speaker role as acting president.
There are so many loopholes that doesn't require repealing 22nd amendment.
- I mean, it’s gonna. Every worst case thing is happening all over the place. The constitution is only as good as the people upholding it.
- Sorry if I have no faith in the US democracy and law system after a literal felon who staged a coup got re elected, had his bestie pull a bunch of nazi salutes while he was busy pardoning literal violent criminals who did the coup, made everyone a woman AND started a system of snitching on your neighbor to get them removed for noncrimes.
  And lets not forget people enforcing the law are now his cronies.
- The 1st is a stretch. To goes so far beyond the meaning and precedent that you might as well annul the whole constitution at that point.
  The 2nd doesn't work, because you must be eligible for president to run as vice president.
  As for the speaker, maybe.
  
  The 2nd doesn’t work, because you must be eligible for president to run as vice president.
  The 22nd amendment is worded in a way that could be interpreted as an eligibility to run for the presidency, not an eligibility to be the president. Theoretically, the supreme court step in and give their interpretation of it.

boot-throating cucks

But, but, I thought he didn't need this because he has never served two CONSECUTIVE terms! /s

Bold to assume he would even be elected again after 4 years of fucking it up. He wasn’t last time.
- Bold of you to assume the next elections would be fair.
  
  Bold of you to assume there'd be more elections...
  /s
- If not for COVID he probably would have been.
  Luckily we've got bird fly waiting in the wings to fuck our shit up once RFKJr decides we should follow the Leslie Knope disaster response plan and start giving the birds CPR.

California could be broken into 66 Wyoming-sized states.
- Many of them would be red.
  
  Not by population. ChatGPT says 55 blue, 10 red, and 4 swing.

- Bernie still seems as sharp as ever.

Pretty fucking gross if you ask me.

Knowing Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if he went full Nayib Bukele and sent in troops to influence the vote.
And as much as I like Bukele, he presided over unique circumstances where his country was effectively being ruled by MS-13 and his actions were warranted in the case of being elected leader of a country ruled by drug overlords. The USA is going through no such crisis.

Just imagine how cheap the eggs will be!
- $10/18 eggs today

Just Trump specifically, or for any other president too ?
- There won't be any other presidents, just successors
- Literally just Trump:
  No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms...
  Obama served 2 consecutive terms so would be ineligible. They literally wrote this so that only Trump would be eligible.
  
  Greedy old f**t.

Huh, the stupid party always screaming dumb things like "term limits" just cannot prostrate themselves enough in front of donvict, and completely reversing themselves.
Imagine that.

Will the guy still have a working brain? Lol.
- That question presumes that he does now.

God damn. I've never seen a group of people lick asshole so hard and ask for seconds. These people box Trump's tonsils digging that tongue so far in it's unbelievable

As planned, the stunlock proceeds

He will be too old. All presidents should follow the 2 term rule. FDR should have followed it.