Lemmyworld libs working overtime before the PreSSidential election to shame others for not going to VOTE in favor of genocide
remember folks
This narrative of "trump will be worse for palestine" is dogshit when the status quo is already an exterminationist genocide.
What's he gonna do? Double genocide? Fucking libs are so stupid.
They think Trump would nuke Gaza for one thing. They can't think of the reality of that, or they think Israel would want a nuke going off in what they consider their own territory.
They can't fathom another Trump presidency outside of complete apocalypse. The reality is too painful for them: Biden and Trump are the same person and their presidencies have been largely the same. The only difference is Biden is less funny.
Nuking gaza is no fucking different to bombing it until there's nothing and nobody left.
I do not give a shit who is doing the genocide. It's genocide. You can't go higher.
If their argument is instead that Trump will be more competent as a military leader than Biden and Palestine would have a harder time resisting ... is that really the line they wanna go for? That Biden is less competent than Trump?
Also, Isn'treal had already drop the equivalent of 2 atom bombs on Gaza since Oct 7th, and that was like a month ago.
It also completely disregards who Biden is and his history of being a genocidal warmongering maniac
Liberals have another fake double genocide theory.
Yea unironically good if Trump "hands over" Ukraine to Russia.
Also pulling U.S out of NATO? U.S. is NATO.
Of course. Somehow libs cling to the delusion that all those countries are equal members, because power doesn't exist in their world - at least when its inconvenient for them
Ukraine wants to join NATO so that Estonia will protect it from Russia. Everyone knows that.
When things are fine, we're all equal citizens of the world!
But when things are not fine, those dirty savages terrorist militants are about to find out why we don't have Healthcare!
One of those losers was saying he can't call what
is doing a genocide because the court hasn't ruled on it yet while simultaneously saying is being genocided for the 2nd time I Hate libs so fucking muchOoo! Oo! i want early modern europe webs of complex opposing alliances!
Always wanted to clap me an Archduke
Last time it gave us the Soviet Union.
I guess the logic is NATO = good, Republicans = bad, therefore Republicans(bad) don't like NATO(good)
say it with me:
abstaining from voting is not the same as voting for republican
voting a third party is not the same as voting for republican
the democrats never had my vote in the first place because they dont care about me and want me to die. well and also because im not american, but you know.
They're basically admitting that they consider themselves entitled to everyone's vote by default.
They don't care. Their whole world view is based on them being the "good people." That's why they never have to reevaluate their positions, and believe that they "can't fail, the can only be failed."
I used to like/tolerate some of my city-level Dems for some half-decent stuff they did with the schools and infrastructure, but then they started saying bombing hospitals was self defense and even they lost me.
I’m glad to see that people on hexbear talk less about supporting local democrats these days. I used to be involved in local politics, and the local democrats are just as shitty as the state and national ones.
The worst thing about the Ukraine war wasn't even the support, but the fact Ukraine had agreed to a peace deal in April 2022 and then the west conjured up this grand double down strategy of endless support because they believed Russia would be defeated through sanctions etc...
The Russians were right to call it a SMO and not a war it was going to be over within 60 days with mostly all their goals achieved.
But you see this was an investment in democracy (the investment is the blood of dirty slavs brave Ukrainians)
Extremely all of these. Also, as a citizen of a completely US controlled vassal state, at this point it's my interests (and sure as shit most of the rest of the world) to see America fall apart as quickly as possible. I don't want American comrades to have to suffer and find a way out, and would support any realistic goal to empower them, but the US liberal arguements are basically "No! You can't wish for the death star to blow up, we'll see a reduced effectiveness of Stormtrooper training programmes!"
They're pre-blaming the left for the eventual loss because they know biden is cooked
This is correct. Cant blame the Bernie bros or Russian troll farms for Bidens total lack of domestic support
I am gobsmacked by how bottomless the pit of liberal idiocy is. Even they should see the argument of putting pressure on Biden to make him stop a genocide.
But that's supposedly unreasonable. Liberals don't even see that possibility. Apparently it is the other way around pressure needs to be applied on those who are against genocide as genocide is just a given. How fucking dare they.
Consequently they see even less potential for political participation than I do, yet they call the US democratic and I don't.
They want to get it in your head that there is nothing you can do to prevent your representative from genociding, but that that doesn't mean he doesn't still represent your interests, "C'mon man".
"If your representative doesn't represent your interests, then we have to work on your interests! Especially if you have a problem with genocide."
There must be a way to wake up from this fucking nightmare. Or better yet wake everyone else up!
lol go canvass for Biden if you love Genocide Joe so much, libs. Put your feet to the street and show us how the importance you ascribe to this election translates into mobilization. See how well you can motivate people lol.
Oh, you're just gonna whine in advance about your likely loss? Cool. Most important election ever?
PS commies don't vote for libs for president, we're not on your team and you can't shame us into supporting capitalism or genocide. Go shame your racist peepaw, you'll have better luck and you're waaay closer to him ideologically.
Truly honest question here so I can understand you: who are you voting for then? Are you ok with a man who has no problem calling for a genocide of his own right here in the US as well as hunting down and killing/hauling people for disagreeing with him? What real alternative is there right now in 2024? Any situation where people are killing others like what's happening to Palestine is unacceptable absolutely and unconditionally. But does that mean we should welcome a regime that is going to do the same here to people like you and me on principle?
Basically, what are you planning to do? All I saw in this reply was "I'm not like you and you can't make me be like you." What are you planning to do to enact the change YOU want to see?
Withhold your vote until one of the candidates withdraws support for the genocide. That's democracy. Make them earn your vote.
...no problem calling for a genocide of his own right here in the US.
Why is it worse if something happens to someone in the US? This stupid nationalist framing is what fools you into thinking things like the Bidrn/nato aggression towards Russia and China is actually a good thing and destroying the lives of billions of non-American workers is fine.
7th>Are you ok with a man who has no problem calling for a genocide of his own right here in the US as well as hunting down and killing/hauling people for disagreeing with him?
So no one here agrees with accelerationism. But I genuinely beleive that people like you will only take action when you are personally affected. You will not take action or even apeak out against your guy because "the other guy will do worse". But see, I think democrats will actually fight harder against fascism if they arent busy defending the guy upholding it it.
You live in a country that had NO alternative to genocide, you say so yourself. Does that sound like a democracy? Why should I care about voting if its not a democracy?
What are you planning to do to enact the change YOU want to see?
Trying to get people to realize that the hamsterwheel they are running in will kill us all regardless if the head guy is orange or not. My only real skill is being able to educate others.
What are YOU gonna do besides :vote: for 99% hilter over 100% hitler? If things are as bad as you say they are (imo they're worse), and thats your ONLY plan. Then from the bottom of my heart, fuck off.
Are you ok with a man who has no problem calling for a genocide of his own right here in the US as well as hunting down and killing/hauling people for disagreeing with him? What real alternative is there right now in 2024?
The Democrats have proven time and time again that they won't lift a fucking finger to protect anyone, even those they claim to support, from violence. They'll tut and wag their finger, but will never actually step in to protect trans rights, for instance. They won't when they're in power, and they won't when they're not. Roe v Wade was broken up under a Democratic president. Vicious anti-queer laws were passed country wide under a Democratic president. The Democrats didn't do shit
"Oh but the President's power is limited", "oh but those are state level affairs", "oh but-" shut the fuck up. Either the office of the president is powerful enough for the threats you talk about to be credible, or it's weak enough that a president can't stop those threats. You get to choose one, not both. And frankly, any fucking country where the President doesn't have an ability or will to bring the provinces/states of that country to heel is a failed country
If the Democrats gave half a shit, they'd be fighting tooth and nail for trans rights across the country. They would use every legal method, every grey area, they would drag the Republican state senators into the oval office and threaten to CIA coup their ass if they don't knock it off. If trans rights or a genocide of some group in the US is such an important matter, then I don't give a fuck what methods are used to protect from that, whether George Washington would have nodded his approval, or if its written in an ancient document
Voting doesn't enact change. The fact that you read that comment and wondered "who are you voting for?" shows how unserious you are. They won't vote, they have no interest in voting. You are responding to a communist yet you still think they are bound by this idea that voting matters?
Also you are LITERALLY giving conditions for what is happening in Palestine. You a giving a conditional exception by saying you will still support Biden doing it if it stops Trump. You have a number of dead Arabs you find acceptable
Voting for the lesser evil is how democracy got here, to this point, where you think you're voting for a president who supports one genocide instead of two. And even if that were true, you're implying that's somehow a moral action.
There is quite literally only one way to try effect a halt to the inevitable but popularly unwanted support of genocides, and that's to demand an alternative to the two-party dictatorship. By vote, protest and any other means possible.
If you want a practical reason not to vote for Joe Biden, it is that the only way to pull them left is to withhold your vote. See what your unconditional support has gotten you.
I'm not participating in this farce. I do other more productive things with my time.
You also speak as though there aren't already crimes against humanity that the government is currently committing. The justice system, education, prisons, healthcare, border etc are all cruel implementations of capitalism that target the poor and minorities. Claiming that Trump would target more people here is such a dumb argument. Yeah, we get it, those guys are shit and because of that I spend my time trying to help people who are in danger. Voting for Biden won't help that. Biden being in office has made the US more dangerous for my trans friends.
"Basically, what are you planning to do? "
Watch, laugh. I am not an American and if I were, I'd... probably do something to impress Jodie Foster.
basically ur gonna get a picture of a beautiful hog with shit firmly resting on its massive ballsack
who are you voting for then?
Local representatives, if they’re not shit
Are you ok with a man who has no problem calling for a genocide of his own right here in the US as well as hunting down and killing/hauling people for disagreeing with him?
No. Which is why I won’t be voting for a president.
What real alternative is there right now in 2024? Any situation where people are killing others like what's happening to Palestine is unacceptable absolutely and unconditionally. But does that mean we should welcome a regime that is going to do the same here to people like you and me on principle?
Basically, what are you planning to do?
No, what are YOU planning to do? You seem to want me to vote for Biden. Okay. What are liberals going to do to stop Trump? They haven’t imprisoned him. They won’t ban the GOP. They won’t arrest Abbott or DeSantis or any of the satanic southern politicians defying federal orders. Your party is ran by a bunch of bitches and cowards. And they will compromise with the republicans and give them everything. They’re setting the stage to give Republicans all the legal tools of fascism for free if Biden loses. You’re all a bunch of midwestern von Hindenburgs as far as I’m concerned.
You don’t get to ask me what my plan is when your useless party refuses to do anything. These questions should be directed at liberals with fucking paid government positions, not random voters who won’t affect an election. Even if I did believe in “harm reduction” and want a democrat in office, I can’t even choose anyone because everyone refuses to wield power and oppress the tyrants you cry about so much, and you and your fellow useless voters refuse to pressure your representatives.
Ask yourself this. WHY ARE LIBERAL VOTERS THE ONLY ONES WHO FREAK OUT ABOUT TRUMP? Why is no other liberal politician calling Trump a Nazi? Why is no liberal politician demanding that he and his ilk be fucking banished from American society? Why is no liberal politician challenging the constitution to ban neo Nazis? Do you see the disconnect? I’m sure you’re serious and worried about Trump. But do you not see how your representatives have betrayed you? If democracy can fall every 4 years, if genocide can happen because the presidency switches hands, then what kind of society do we live in? Why are we even allowing the party that could commit genocide at home the ability to compete for ruling us? Do you not see how absurd your premise of democracy is? If liberals were serious about democrats saving democracy from the republicans, then this country would be a one party state.
Imagine if modern Germany apologized for the holocaust and felt great National and cultural shame, but they still allow the Nazi Party to compete in elections every time. That is what you sound like when you cry about Trump winning elections. If you were serious, Biden wouldn’t lose because there would be no competition.
you run into legal trouble if you try to use real solutions. If it comes down to it, a bit of
is not out of the question. havent been pushed that far yet personallyTruly honest question here so I can understand you: who are you voting for then?
I am not wasting the 5 joules of energy expended to bubble in the US presidential candidate because I, like the majority of people in this country, don't live in a swing state. Have fun voting for Biden in Alabama or New York as if that means anything lmao. Why do you think voter turnout never hovers over 67%? It's because most people realize that the presidential elections are completely pointless and a waste of time, on par with sham elections where you can only vote for a single candidate. Anyone who paid attention in high school civics class would come to the same exact conclusion. Forget defending the actions of some genocidal white supremacist. How about you give a compelling argument why someone from California or Wyoming should bother voting for who gets to be president in the first place instead of just writing a joke candidate like Darth Vader?
Biden can't even enforce the Supremacy Clause and has almost half the states saying they may send troops to Texas to oppose the federal government.
dismantles democracy in the US
Yeah get out there and vote for one of the two kkkrakkkas that like 70% of the country don't want to run again.
That's the democracy they think they're saving lol, where they are always one election away from dictatorship, and there is only one choice, and he's someone that no one likes who has mostly maintained the policies of the "authoritarian" predecessor
what in the US????democracy in the us
So:
-changes nothing
-ends a war
-critically diminishes the military arm of the US empire
-continues what started under Biden thanks to the hubris of RBG
-who gives a shit
-that's just JROTC and we already have it
-changes nothing
-lol
Whomp whomp run someone better. I'm voting Green Party.
I got sick of blocking endless democrat "shame" texts and started telling them directly to fuck off. "This is our ninth (!) Attempt and you still haven't taken your loyalty pledge and given tribute to Biden!"
Just seriously fuck off. There is no difference for the next 4 years. In 2028 we can the opposite party for 8 years. Which brings us to 2036 with a younger fascist republican all so you can keep your genocidal zombie.
Trump fucking sucks, no doubt, but the scaremongering is off the rails. Trump was already president and was basically as ineffectual as any president, with a bit more racism.
Every single election cycle it's suddenly painted as a life-or-death situation to vote Biden, seemingly just to shut up anyone who actually wants to criticise the system as a whole.
Honestly if Trump could and would realistically pull US out of NATO, he'd be the best US president and it wouldn't be close
where's that yu-gi-oh meme where a guy says a vote for a third party is a vote for trump and then yu-gi-oh pulls a card out that says a third party vote is a vote for biden and then the dude recoils at this epic comeback
this kind of thing hasn't worked for me because I think liberals can't fathom someone voting for Trump. They think of conservative voters like a tornado or gravity, like it's an inherent feature of nature that can't be fought or bargained with. They only see room to gain ground among leftists.
and conservatives don't believe their candidate wins through voting, but rather through divine appointment, so nothing is gained by threatening to sit out a vote
Why is it that Americans always act like this? Do other countries with two main parties do this? From my own personal experience, I've never been shamed by a labour canvasser like that, but it might be a case that they're like this elsewhere in the UK.
Also some quick maths:
not voting is a vote for Trump
not voting is a vote for Biden
Therefore, by voting twice you've committed voter fraud.
Therefore ~a third of Americans commited voter fraud.
And the Biden administration claims that election wasn't rigged?
Jesus fuck they're hyperbolic and the pulling US out of NATO shows how little they understand geopolitics while being smug af about it
It's going to come down to one vote and it was mine and I didn't vote so a deranged lib or chud shoots me.
That sounds like a fantastic premise for a leftist comedy movie
PSL 2024
If the chuds want to call Biden a socialist or whatever, might as well vote for some real socialists to really get them freaked out.
Voting for Genocide Joe because Trump is worse is countervailing of the facts. Trump was already president for 4 years and supported a lot less war and genocide than Biden has in his term.
For me, Trump has a better track record than Biden. If he can pull the US out of nato, all the better!
And nothing will get the libs out in their pussy hats like a Trump win.
a vote for
is a vote forno change, don't care, good, already in the works anyway, don't care lmao, already in the works, already a thing, lol lmao
Damn crazy how this system is so broken that a fascist like this could come into power this easily. We should probably overthrow it instead of just voting and hoping shit works out huh
Shit like this makes me want to vote Trump out of spite.
Not a good take
I don't actually plan on voting for mango Mussolini if that's what you're worried about.
I get the sentiment because sometimes I joke about voting tory to spite everyone, like you want things to be shit and get worse, fine, I'll help.
Death to all genocide excusers
vote
Trump wins my state by a huge landslide cause I live in a red state and that's how the electoral college works
Wow, lotta good that did!
These people sound like they went to high school during covid.
How about we meet in the center and I write in Genocide Joe?
I strongly disagree.
Butcher Biden is a much better use of alliteration.
I'm partial to calling him Joedolf Bidler.
We count those
That'd be an amazing bit.
Death to America
I want to ask these people what it would take for them not to vote for Biden. Could he kill your family? And if they say no, say "Oh, so as long as he's just murdering other people's families you're on board" or something simliar. I dunno help me workshop it
smtl.
"before i get into ito to argument over whos more Moral, i want to know if there is even a Limit to the Evil that you are willing to excuse. So could biden Murder your ...
I’m probably coping but is it feasible trump would be slightly less hawkish compared to Biden? Not that I want trump to win or intend on voting for him lol just wondering because I genuinely don’t know
Trump is more inclined to agree with pretty people and less inclined to agree with uggos. I literally do not think it runs deeper than that. If a himbo told him to support a ceasefire he would highly consider it. If a himbo told him to invade Turkey to reconquer Constantinople, he would highly consider it.
He assassinated the general of Iran in January of 2020. If it weren't for COVID, there's a reasonable chance he would have tried to invade. If he's less hawkish than Joe, it's by an incredibly small margin
So much has happened since then i actually forgot about Soleimani lol. 2020 was fucking crazy
He was less hawkish on Syria, Russia and DPRK
He was more hawkish on Iran, China and Cuba
Seems like a bit of a wash on Israel
On the subject of Palestine? Probably not. I was trying to play this out in my head earlier and I feel like the only way he'd be less hawkish is if he thought Netnyahu was cucking him or something by ignoring his authority. I feel like that would be hilariously easy to manipulate tho such that he see's shit like the ICJ as being what's actually holding both of them back. End of the day I reject the notion that Trump or anyone could be materially worse on this than Biden is and believe things would be basically identical....BUT I do think Trump would be more mask off about it certainly.
On that subject....him being mask off is kinda equal pro and con I think. Like the bad is obvious buuuuuut Trump would further expose sham of it all. That's no reason to cheer for a Trump victory but I don't know...its something maybe.
At least Trump got the libs to give a shit, Biden does all the same things and they defend him for it. It's like that "Hello, Human Resources??" comic.
I would take this deal, too bad he'll do none of the cool things.
How do you get in to the mind set of a
these people need educatingWorld needs sort by lowest score.
Much easier to just look for the -24 comments then wade through all the liberals agreeing with each other.
What’s the point of a democracy if it can be dismantled with a snap of a finger every 4 years?
Are liberals not aware of how unhinged they seem when they cry about one party banning abortion and committing genocide then seeing the same party still existing year after year?
Liberals will acknowledge the paradox of tolerance but when it comes time to combatting what they consider threats to democracy, they need to follow the rules.
The thread following daniyeg is such a fucking brainrot Jesus Christ
lol what democracy?
Who said this? Quote goes hard
it's a slightly different translation but https://redsails.org/xi-on-democracy/
found a page with the different text, from Xinhua (official state news agency of the People's Republic of China)
http://www.news.cn/english/2021-10/15/c_1310246714.htm
Quote is too generous. 'A or B' is not being master of the country, nor is anyone really favored during canvassing either.
That being said, it shows what an incredibly low bar western democracy doesn't clear.
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