I try and keep tabs on white evangelical conservatives, both via social media and IRL, which means almost entirely people in that group under 40 or so. And even I was shocked to see attitudes in that group. While there’s very little actual “pro-Palestine” sentiment, I also haven’t seen hardly anyone support Israel either. Some condemnations and a lot of “we shouldn’t be sending them any money” attitudes. Outright Zionism has very little support among the under 40 crowd in America, among any group of people IMO.

This is the sort of thing we need more of from the global community, good on them. Keep making Israelis feel more and more isolated.

Zionists are Nazis. And just like the Nazis, the problem with her question is that they want her to die, though they might settle (for now) for ethnically cleansing them into Egypt.

Che was big on this, too.

Honestly given the potential nefarious uses for this pier that were floated (heh) like using it to deport Gazans, having it taken away is the best outcome. It was never going to be used for aid anyway.

All I ask of Trots is that they don’t support imperialism and instead support liberation. And a lot of them do, tbf.

If they do that then they can have a little criticism of Stalin, as a treat.

I’ve been wanting to make a post about this, because we should have clear eyes here. When you ask Americans about the issues that matter, yes, foreign policy is usually pretty low and sadly Gaza is no exception. I do believe the polls when they say Gaza isn’t high on voters lists - even young voters, because the polling shows they don’t rank it high either.

HOWEVER, I think it’s also important to understand that what Biden is doing in his relentless support for genocide goes beyond what you can see in voters ranking issues. It’s having a huge effect on his reelection chances indirectly

What I mean is, what I saw in W’s 2nd term was that just like with Gaza, Americans didn’t care that much about Iraq per se. But W’s actions w/r/t Iraq going back to 2003 made him absolutely toxic to voters, especially young voters. They had no idea what was going on in Iraq but they knew that W was an evil dumbass and that was enough to get them to turn out for Obama.

Most Americans who aren’t committed to a party vote based on vibes. And vibes around Biden right now, even if they aren’t following Gaza and don’t care much, is that Biden is bad and heartless. It’s what’s going on in the social ether (and our own @mkultrawide@hexbear.net has their own contribution to that!). So in that sense it doesn’t matter that Gaza is way down the list on what voters say they care about. The impact of the genocide in Gaza is multiplied well beyond itself as an isolated issue. Biden has bad juju around him and it’s definitely because of Gaza (and his “let them eat cake” attitude towards inflation and wages).

That’s a pretty good response

I do wonder if at some point we’ll see a sort of mass mutiny / rebellion on the part of the Ukrainian soldiers a la 1917. The conditions are staring to feel similar though at this point I think the war has more support among the populace than you need to reach a “critical mass”.

Russia is going to win the war, sooner or later. And the more this drags on, the more fighting for Ukraine is going to effectively be a death sentence. It doesn’t seem like NATO, Zelensky, the Nazis in charge or the Avoz freaks want to stop the bloodshed. When you put humans in a situation like that, history shows people tend to have less fear of the consequences of mutiny than they do the enemy’s cannons.

I also predict we willl see NATO troops in Ukraine, but only to shoot at Ukrainian mutineers.

Nah, I mean death to America, unlimited genocide on this evil country and all… but in the US simply expressing support for an organization on some official terrorist list isn’t a crime. I’m not sure what the ADL could sue them for that wouldn’t immediately get thrown out of court.

That said, we do live in a bourgeois dictatorship so of course Congress can find all sorts of ways to make their life difficult, but that’s just to be expected when we’re taking the correct line against imperialism.

I do commend Hamas, btw

Biden just uncritically accepts whatever Netanyahu tells him.

I mean I’ll never rule out anything, but I just don’t see how the military option makes sense. Of course, China needs to maintain the credible threat of the military option. But even if the US stayed out of it, actually taking over and occupying Taiwan seems like it would be a massive drain on resources, and has the potential to set back China quite a ways. Ultimately the only threat Taiwan poses is if it appears the US is using it as a staging area for an attack on China, and we’re pretty far off from that for the moment.

Dang, I’m voting for Claudia de la Cruz because she’s on the ballot here but having Hudson on board makes Stein pretty cool for anyone who can’t vote PSL

When it’s all said and done, I will be very interested to see how Israel addresses the situation of Palestinian labor in Israel. I saw that before Oct 7, there were over 200,000 workers who lived in the West Bank (maybe Gaza too, not sure) and worked in “israel” proper. The Israelis are saying they will never let those laborers back in and the idea of using Indian or Bangladeshi migrant labor has been floated. That is absurd as Yglesias’ “one billion Americans” idea. Israel is a deeply white supremacist state - I would argue they are the most maybe the most racialized state in the world right now. They do allow some token racial minorities in so long as they are Jewish, but you can read all about how they are treated as second class citizens at best. The idea that the racist Israelis will accept a couple hundred thousand brown people to work and live among them… I just can’t imagine that happening. And that’s not even considering the logistical issues that would be involved in bringing over and housing 200k migrant workers.

But then again, the Israelis have taken a hard core Nazi turn, and I think they’re serious about not letting Palestinians back in. We’ll see if they’re serious enough to torpedo their own economy over it though.

I think Israel will not comply, and it’s going to be a pretty big L for them.

By not complying with a clear UN-backed demand, they are only making themselves into a bigger global pariah. Israel thinks they can go it alone and they don’t need support from anyone, but that’s patently untrue. There will be increasing pressure across the world to cut economic ties. And even further than that, as Israel just keeps increasing their negative perception around the world, immigration into Israel - which is existentially important for the Zionist project - could start to dry up. Obviously this isn’t going to end Israel by itself, but it is absolutely one step among many that will get us there.

I don’t know what the right word is. My first thought was to call it “gaslighting” but I don’t think this is the right word here. Maybe there’s a better non-English word.

What I’m referring to is the fact that no one on planet Earth believes Israel isn’t intentionally murdering civilians by the thousands. There is no explanation for not letting food and water in if not for reasons of collective punishment. Like, I’ve even tried to come up with a BS line I would take if I was Israel, and I can’t think of one. To my knowledge Israel hasn’t even really addressed not letting food and water in, they just simply do it.

We all know what Israel is doing. But the imperialists and Zionists simply trot out lines about “Israel isn’t targeting civilians” and “Hamas is the enemy, not the Palestinian people”. No one believes it but we are sort of “expected” to believe it. What would you actually call this?

Saying this as someone who organized a campus protest against the invasion of Iraq before it happened back in 2003… the participation in the genocide of Gaza may be the most evil thing I’ve seen America do in my lifetime.

Ok cool, now what side was the now enthusiastically Zionist Germany on?

During the Cold War, soft power in the global south mattered because the western powers wanted to keep as many countries on their side as possible, and when your opponent is a nuclear-armed USSR you can’t just use the military or sanctions as your only option.

But since the fall of the USSR, soft power in the global south isn’t important anymore. The US, Western Europe, and their allies in the Indo-Pacific are perfectly happy to ignore the concerns and opinions of anyone who isn’t already totally aligned with them. This contradiction hasn’t come to a head until recently as there wasn’t even any push against the western powers until recently. But the only effect of that is the western powers are now happily donning the black hat. Oderint Dum Metuant, and all that jazz. If the global south won’t bend the knee voluntarily then they WILL recognize western supremacy by force, whether that be economic or military means.

And that’s why supporting Russia in the war against NATO is so critical. That’s the current flashpoint in the Cold War between the western powers and everyone else on the planet.

Bowser’s Bad Budget

This is a Mario Party 3 mini-game.