If you take out the bad stuff that Nazis did, they werent really that bad. Now Stalin and Mao...
If you take out the bad stuff that Nazis did, they werent really that bad. Now Stalin and Mao...
If you take out the bad stuff that Nazis did, they werent really that bad. Now Stalin and Mao...
Fascism will eat itself. The in and out groups weren't scientifically determined, but out groups were created to enact violence against them.
making people work till theyre dead
citation needed for Stalin, but slave labor without regard for deaths was a documented part of the Nazi war machine
In German the phrase for it is "Vernichtung durch Arbeit" (destruction through work) and its enactment can be found in official Nazi documents. The whole post that OP links is Holocaust denial and ought to be punished.
Stalin made people work until they were well into their mid-60s, which was a real tragedy given that life expectancy in pre-Soviet Russia was the early-30s. Dude forced you to work two full lifetimes! That's where Communism gets you.
Juche necromancy strikes again
You can't be racist if you've killed everyone else 🧠
White Supremacy isn't like racist against any particular race tho, just that like all the other races are not as good.
The Nazis ending racism by genociding every other race has got to be the most brain melting thing I've ever read. I gotta go lay down.
Nazism, like all forms of fascism, falls apart without an enemy. Even if they managed to kill all the Jews and Slavs, people would still be murdered on the suspicion of being Jews and Slavs for as long as Nazis are in power.
i've long held that if fascists couldn't designate a racial or national enemy, they'd play up the distinction between men and women as their primary struggle. And if they couldn't do that they'd go after certain age groups. They'd find something.
i think that's part of the reason fascists in America have latched so heavily onto being anti-LGBTQ. They're slowly realizing that open racism is broadly unpopular, so they're flailing about trying to coherently designate a different enemy. What they fail to realize is unspoken racism is perfectly permitted in America, but they can't help themselves. They have to say the quiet part.
they would have just defined a new previously accepted group as evil. Maybe people from the mediteranean, indians, asians, africans, the french, the english, etc as long as they were around they would have found someone. All it takes to be racist is wanting to because you can just pick any arbitrary group and racialise them due to the fact the whole thing is arbitrary to begin with
Simple as
this is like probably what 30% of public high school students in the US learn in their history class from whatever athletics coach they get to teach this class.
i used to think they were just skimping on paying a history teacher, but now I think they choose the coach because they're most likely to be reactionary
Mine were almost all wholesome veterans or spouses of veterans.
One of my history teachers was the girl's basketball coach but he was actually incredibly based pro-labor guy.
A history prof explained it pretty well once. A math teacher has to understand math or kids will fail the state exam. A science teacher has to explain science. An English teacher has to know how to write and read subtext.
But a history teacher just has to read from the book. Before Common Core, state exams for history were all rote memorization of facts. Put the coach in history because they can read from the textbook.
In all seriousness, at least back in the 90s we were still tip-toeing around the USSR in history classes because all the books were written in the 70s and 80s, when "The Fall of the Soviet Union" was a wet dream to the West rather than a presumed inevitability. We just kinda ended our history textbooks at WW2, for the most part. Everything after the 1940s was college level material that didn't get touched.
Far more often, what you'd get in history class was these revanchist takes on the American Revolution and the Civil War. These were the topics that history classes loved to fixate on. You'd spend a full semester dissecting a laundry list of Founding Fathers, all of whom got one flavor of hagiography or another. Then the Civil War got
to the point where even die-hard wanna-be Confederates were rolling their eyes.I will say that my AP class material was focused primarily on the Reconstruction and dawn of the Industrial Revolution, and it was surprisingly good. Didn't hurt that my senior level history teacher was a heavyweight in the Texas teacher's union and took all this shit fairly seriously. But she was still very reticent of the minefield labor politics was for a bunch of Houston suburbs failkids. So we got a lot of winks and nudges toward additional readings, without her ever coming out and ringing the "Union Strong" dinner bell.
Fuck Nazi apologia in all its forms
Also the victims were being slowly starved up to that point over the course of months
this is undoubtedly a person that has no clue about that and simply supposes they would never be the one getting gassed.
I think this person is actually a Nazi and might have a clue but tries to deny the crimes.
Is this satire? I legitimately can't tell anymore
You know what, I don't care
Doesn't matter. Subtext is a CIA op and if you write Nazi propaganda, then you are a Nazi.
Now one negative aspect ofcourse was the extermination of people apart of the LGBT community
I can excuse genocidal anti Semitism, racism, and antiziganism, but I draw the line at genocidal homophobia
Is if the Nazis wouldn't have turned on each other after the genocide of undesirables was completed.
One of the dangerous things about fascism that people seem to not understand is that it never ends. They have to have an enemy to consume because they can create nothing themselves. It is ultimately a self harming ideology. A species chewing its own legs off because it finds them too unsightly.
this is either evidence of the reincarnation Ernst Röhm or a terrifying glimpse into the historically illiterate mind logic of your typical western liberal
It's 2023 so Reddit OP could credibly be a gay or trans Nazi.
Well Ernst Rohm was a gay nazi and that was in the 1930s. Nazi hypocrisy is key to the entire affair
-Gassing with pesticides -Burning alive -Starvation -Slave labour
Not pictured: Quick and painless methods of killing
Liberalism is brainrot and this moron's terminal.
Not to mention disease. Typhus, among other things, ran rampant in the camps, and the only medical care was nazi torture doctors doing nazi torture for "medical science."
serial killer taking above average notes is perhaps a fairer description than doctor. I'm sure they've all been medically disbarred after all
also it would be still wrong if it was painless as there is no way of killing someone deliberately without it being murder
The work camps in Nazi Germany had the explicit goal, discussed in letters of the people running them, of bringing the interned to their "natural end", i.e. work them to death, and many people were indeed killed this way.
"ARBEIT MACHT FREI" was actually German for "SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU."
The readings are off the charts!
hitlers killing of people who were non aryan would have eventually resulted in racism ending
this has to be a bit
This reads like a child who has been talking to a nazi recruiter
or a nazi recruiter trying to appeal to children
yeah these arguments are so fucking unconvincing if you have even a middle schooler's understanding of history. i suppose it says something about the state of LGBTQ rights that fashy teens will still concede that mass murdering queer people was Not It Chief.
The increased whitewashing of nazis and vilification of the left these past couple of years is disturbing.
Hitler was also against religion
Average Sam Harris/Christopher Hitchens enjoyer.
"At least he didn't believe in a freaking sky wizard!"It's ironic considering the Soviets get attacked for being atheists while the Nazis generally held on to a professed belief in the Christian God ("Gott mit uns")
Nazis signed their first treaty with the Catholic church.
Say what you will about Hitler, but that man really put a new spin on sobriety when he gave up pork chops and stogies for a "Scarface"'s worth of methamphetamine.
i can smell this person's scout regiment jacket from here
Dog shit stupidity meets intense racism, you hate to see it.
Half to death, twice
This sounds like one of those Facebook math "puzzles" where people are supposed to argue whether he's:
Genociding all but one race is certainly ONE way to end racism I suppose
That's the neat part about fascist racism, it doesn't end there and never will.
They'd just keep at it until there's one guy left, who then looks in the mirror one day and blows his own brains out
he was against smoking drinking and violence against animals
if you are below the age of 18 you are immediately going in a locker dude
if you are above 18 you are going in a :pit:
He wasn't against violence against animals. He used antisemitic tendencies to create animal laws which targeted Jews specifically. It wasn't about better conditions for the animals (as can be seen in the paragraphs and its enforcement), but about another tool to discriminate and create hate.
"The Nazis, famously, didn't work their slave labourers to the bone and people weren't dying in concentration camps from beatings, starvation, and the denial of medical care but instead the only deaths that occurred were quick and clean!!"
The very notion that you can "solve" racism via extermination is laughable and it has no material basis.
You'd have an easier job convincing me that the Nazi war machine was going to spool down voluntarily after a successful WWII effort and that this would establish a long-running era of peace globally than you would arguing that the Nazi extermination machine was going to be put into disuse by somehow fixing racism.
love to hear how getting killed via gas in the shower was "quick and clean", yes indeed. nothing quite like being scared shitless, not knowing if today you get gas or water.
Also, the nails marks in the doors beg to differ on it being fast and painless
The very notion that you can "solve" racism via extermination is laughable and it has no material basis.
Its the foundation of the Right's own "Great Replacement Theory". They're convinced that their own shitty economic policies aren't to blame for declining birth rates. No, its a vast and insidious conspiracy of welfare queens, occluded marxist deep state bureaucrats, and woke corporations who are to blame for an absence of grandkids.
The withering of the white middle class must be a deliberate engineered genocide intended to eliminate a superior racial cohort. It can't just be Reaganomics spiking the wheels of working class rural white folks for some short term finance sector ROI.
You'd have an easier job convincing me that the Nazi war machine was going to spool down voluntarily after a successful WWII effort and that this would establish a long-running era of peace globally than you would arguing that the Nazi extermination machine was going to be put into disuse by somehow fixing racism.
You're starting from a materialist understanding of the war, in which coups and assassination attempts against senior leadership kept happening and international peace treaties couldn't be honored for fear of a domestic revolt against a perceived weak high command.
They're coming at it from a lifetime of "The Germans Were The Smartest, Most Badass, Most Sexiest soldiers that ever lived" History channel hagiographies. And so they have to assume that once the Nazis invented the Ultimate Super Weapon and swept the parts of the board that mattered, they'd settle into that 1000 year Reich they kept talking about.
Obviously, the Nazis had a plan with more foresight than the end of the next Blitzkrieg. Its not like they'd bungle a huge industrial advantage by plunging the bulk of their forces into a drawn out guerrilla war on the other side of the continent while their Western flank was left unguarded against an amassed intercontinental force. How could the mythical legendary military champions fumble the ball that hard? Nah! They must have just rolled bad on initiative or something.
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Honestly Hitler wasnt even that bad . he was against smoking, drinking and violence against animals [end of sentence]
This is so funny lol
Hitler did the DARE program in schools. Still think he's a "bad guy" tankies?
Pit
When you reject the double genocide theory but you’re an Eastern European nationalist
Thatcloudyeditor is 10 years old, right?
Most likely, due to the lack of punctuation. There are a few commas, but even they are wrong.
He was pro violence against people. Also the nazis literally worked people to death that was the main thing that happened in concentration camps
"Hitler would have ended racism by killing all the other races" - a take
Also when Hitler was against religion that is an instance where religion was correct. Hitler's persecution of Catholics for example was directed at the Catholics who religiously opposed the murder of disabled people and Hitler's kindereuthenasia program (which was as evil as it sounds)
Fascinating 'if we just achieved a total genocide of all but 1 race, we'd solve racism' argument, but unfortunately I have already portrayed you as the soycuck wojack and myself as the chad wojack.
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'compared to Stalin making people work until they're dead' - So this person thinks that Auschwitz and the other camps were vacation resorts were prisoners just hung out until it was time for the 'shower'?
Someone actually advocates, unironically, for ethnic cleansing as a solution to racism. I'd almost believe this was satire if not for the fact that he got one thing right... People tend to overlook the shit Hirohito did.
He is right about Hirohito often being overlooked. But everything else...
Have this fucker never watch a movie about the holocaust in their life????
??????????
This person should be shoot dead
Yeah that's definitely one way to end racism, y'know ending all other races
They have such a baby-brained understanding of fascism. Like fascists will find another thing to discriminate against because they need that to justify their inability to function and a target to rally against
Odds that this person is also really worried about the possibility that AI might kill everyone on Earth as a result of a misinterpretation of something like "decrease the murder rate?" I'd guess high.
which is not even remotely how AI works that's how a genie works. AI is designed by people to improve it's ability at a specific task. It is a very good tool for a task like identifying which images contain birds but that's all it is getting a computer to do statistics really fast to make good predictions
now a system that consumes all the resourses in the world to make more paperclips exists but it's called capitalism
In the timescale of the universe, starving people to death in concentration camps took a relatively short amount of time. We can continue to make the scale larger so that the time spent starving looks smaller by comparison until it is acceptable.
Nazis deserve a fucking hole in the ground.