I wonder if there exists people who aggressively believe mushrooms are plants, similar to people who defend Pluto as a planet.
It was only in 1969 (nice) that fungi officially became its own separate kingdom.
Pluto is a mushroom
No, Pluto is a plant.
No. Pluto is an animal.
Source: Disney Wiki
Question is, if they are a plant, who are they in league with?
I think an issue here is that taxonomic and colloquial definitions don't always agree.
Spiders are colloquially bugs, but they're not taxonomically "true bugs" (which is itself a colloquialism for Hemiptera). Tomatos are colloquially vegetables but taxonomically fruits...but afaik vegetable is a purely colloquial term anyway.
And as someone else in the thread mentioned, colloquial berries are not always taxonomic berries.
So...colloquially, "plants" sorta means, "macroscopic multicellular living non-animal thing," but taxonomically it's something else.
And literally anything is a fish if you try hard enough
I mean, probably not bacteria or viruses.
Any vertebrate at least. A boney fish what likes a-bonin’
Similarly, “a planet” can be understood in technical or colloquial context which changes the meaning. It can have a specific meaning or a vague flexible meaning, just like with berries.
BTW raspberries are my favorite berries… sort of. Watermelons are pretty good too.
I like bananas
Actually planet doesn't have any hard set definition, we kind of just do it case by case because its damn near impossible to come up with a rigid definition that doesn't suddenly classify some planets as moons or some moons as planets or create weird situations in which an object can switch between the two.
If you’re talking about tomatoes, the difference is the context, and it isn’t a choice between colloquial vs scientific taxonomy, but between culinary/nutritional vs botany/taxonomy (and). You can talk about either in a colloquial context or a formal context, though generally there isn’t much reason to talk about botany in a colloquial setting.
From a nutritional perspective, mushrooms are generally considered vegetables, too.
afaik vegetable is a purely colloquial term anyway.
I thought you were wrong but I looked it up and I appear to have been mistaken. It makes “tomatoes are fruits, not vegetables” sound nonsensical, as it implies that “vegetable” is a different taxonomical option, when really it’s just a word for objects with a particular collection of traits that are relevant in a different context. What we should he saying is “While tomatoes are not fruit in the food pyramid, taxonomically, they are.” Doesn’t really roll off the tongue, though. Maybe “Tomatoes are vegetables AND fruits!” would solve that?
but what about berry club? which things count as berries now?
very well said
I hate the word colloquial
Colloquialism is the best word.
Fuck you op. Mushrooms are plants, Pluto is a planet, and that's the truth from one edge of this flat Earth to the other.
disclaimer: this is a joke
Honestly? Flat earth? It's not even funny as a joke. That entire movement has been so incredibly detrimental, and dangerous. It has shattered families, and been an instruction manual for other conspiracy theorists. And the worst thing of all is that it makes actual, real facts about how the earth is in, in reality, a hollow shell with a breathable atmosphere in its inferior, come across as just as crazy as flat earth. How are we supposed to spread the truth of hollow earth when flat earthers are out there making us look crazy? Just because hollow earth also points out that the government is lying about the earth doesn't mean we're the same! People need to know about hollow earth! Otherwise, we'll never be able to heal the housing market by building condos inside the earth!
Honestly? Flat earth? It's not even funny as a joke. That entire movement has been so incredibly detrimental, and dangerous. It has shattered families, and been an instruction manual for other conspiracy theorists. And the worst thing of all is that it makes actual, real facts about how the earth is in, in reality, a hollow shell with a breathable atmosphere in its inferior, come across as just as crazy as flat earth. How are we supposed to spread the truth of hollow earth when flat earthers are out there making us look crazy? Just because hollow earth also points out that the government is lying about the earth doesn't mean we're the same! People need to know about hollow earth! Otherwise, we'll never be able to heal the housing market by building condos inside the earth!
What’s the worst that could happen if you didn’t put in that disclaimer?
Annoying messages.
It's not a plant or an animal, but a secret third thing.
They're fungi fun guys.
Plants are closer to humans than the mushrooms.
You sure about that, boss? http://tolweb.org/Eukaryotes
Scratch that. Reverse it. And on we go
Mushrooms are actually aliens
If Pluto is a planet, then Ceres is a planet too. CERES RIGHTS!
Let's just acknowledge that anything big enough to be round is a planet. That's the bare minimum criteria.
Orbit shapes and clear paths don't matter, the Solar system isn't a typical stellar system, many aren't so stable and ordered, especially in binary and triplet star systems. So the pedantry around the shapes of the orbits of the outer kuiper planets is a very silly thing to argue about. After all most orbits in binary and triplet systems aren't even predictable long term, let alone not circular.
Remember the Cant!
Thanks plants vs zombies 😡😡
I've met people who were certain that bugs weren't animals
like everything else in this thread, doesn't it depend on the context? like I'm willing to bet that if you polled a ton of people to "draw an animal" the overwhelming majority would draw vertebrates
That doesn't mean that the animals they don't draw aren't animals
Pluto is a planet, though. It’s officially considered a “dwarf” planet, and as “dwarf” is just an adjective, it’s still a planet (just like a short person is still a person). The other 8 new dwarf planets (Ceres, Eris, Makemake, Haumea, Gonggong, Quaoar, Orcus, and Sedna) are also all planets - so we have 17 planets total.
Seriously, though. By the same 3 criteria that Pluto isn’t a planet, Mercury isn’t (as it isn’t in hydrostatic equilibrium).
I mean Pluto IS a planet i guess what people mean when they say pluto is not a planet is that it is no longer part of our solar system
No, that's just you. I'm genuinely curious why you'd think anyone would ever make the argument Pluto isn't part of our solar system.
No, they don't.
The solar system is larger than you think and extends quite a bit beyond pluto
https://science.nasa.gov/learning-resources/how-big-is-the-solar-system/
Watermelons are berries. Strawberries are not.
They are not made of straw, either.
Tomatoes are a fruit.
The definition of planet is completely subjective, whereas the definition of mushroom is based on science and evolution.
Some people believe the earth is flat, I don't think whether the definition is scientific or not matters much lmao
Planet used to mean wandering star, referring to 'stars' that didn't stay in one place but moved around with the days, months, years, or centuries. Obviously not a useful definition these days, I consider a planet a rocky body big enough that it's gravity makes it almost perfectly round.
From what I've seen, dudes that care that much about mushrooms are really fun guys.
I think OP is on mushrooms.
...this would trigger a friend of mine so badly (fungi enthusiast and Pluto stan). I want to send it, but at the same time... I'm not sure I'd hear the end of it.
Send it and report back. I am interested in subscribing to their newsletter. You'll let them know, right?
I have family in Streator, IL, home of Clyde Tombaugh, so we're die hard planet pluto.
Well they use chitin not celulose for structure so definatly closer to animals than plants.
Similarly plate tectonics - not fully recognised until the 60s apparently.
I mean both classifications are arbitrary and made up, so defense of either side is equally valid (even if only because they're also equally invalid).
We don't even have a solid definition of what constitutes "life", or "consciousness", because we can't agree on what should be included, or how various aspects are defined.
In the end, words are just symbols or sounds that we try to - as consistently as possible - associate with ideas, but it's all made up.
That sounds scientifically incorrect. Mushrooms are closer to animals than they are to plants. They fundamentally do not resemble plants in any sense of the word, except maybe that they both grow in the ground.
Mushrooms are closer to animals than they are to plants
How? At first blush, this seems absurd.
Disclaimer, it's been a while since middle school biology class where we might have talked about this subject.
I'm not sure you meant to respond to my post. This response doesn't seem to address what I said.
Pokemon
You can use mushrooms in Plants vs Zombies.
It isn’t called “Plants and Fungi vs Zombies.”
Ergo, mushrooms are plants.
Checkmate, atheists!
All hail the Mushroom King!
I've never even considered whether they're plants or not. I guess I always assumed they were, but now it makes sense that they're not. But I can't imagine anyone having a tizzy over it either way.
Yes, I've encountered a few people like this. Also, no one has ever heard of Archaea.
I overheard someone talking about veganism and said they only eat plants. I asked them about mushrooms, “of course it's fine, those are plants”.
No amount of convincing worked.
So I've seen it once.
Mushrooms are plants in the culinary sense. Like strawberries, blackberries and raspberries are berries in the culinary sense.
Yup. Inside culinary classifications, fungi don't exist. Outside of culinary classifications, vegetables don't exist.
Culinary definition doesn't differentiate plants, but mushrooms are vegetables.
Separate culinary definitions? That's nuts!
If anything is close to having a consciousness and experiencing an array of emotion, including suffering. That's a mushroom, much more than a plant.
The mycelium, maybe. That is definitely not the part of the mushroom that you eat.
Actual animals are far more likely to feel pain that fungi. Do fungi even have a nervous system?
First time hearing this but mushroom is a protein source so from diet perspective, I see it as a meet type food. Deff not vegatable