Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem - Lemmy.World
Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem - Lemmy.World
Everything I hate is now tankie. We must stop this by getting them to censor what we think is tankie
Lemmy.world must be full of the biggest piss babies of the Lemmyverse. All of the most annoying elements of liberalism mixed together to form the ultimate clown show.
Lemmy.world must be full of the biggest piss babies of the Lemmyverse
I mean those are the redditors who got so mad about slight decrease in availability of their treat that they left and immediately after their arrival they made their instance into reddit.
These people graduated from narcing to a teacher about the most inconsequential shit to whatever the fuck this is.
I’ve been banned from .ml for being a ‘racist’ for being anti-Xi, despite the fact that I am Chinese, and pointed out my ethnicity as such in the discussion. I guess antisemitic Jews aren’t the only weird accusation getting thrown about nowadays.
Lol, oh no. The poster immediately under this is going on some long winded rant that Japan should have been nuked harder, it was the only way to save more people
and also
Lemmy.ml is a cancer on the Fediverse. If we want it to survive, we need to cut it off.
Prime specimen of someone who needs to touch grass, the userbase at lemmy.ml is trash, but not for why they think
the userbase at lemmy.ml is trash, but not for why they think
It's because we don't have deluxe emojis, isn't it? :jokah:
So funny how braindead liberals truly are in the age of the internet and 60+ years of historical analysis and declassified info we have now that wasn't available back then. What do you even call an ideology where you can determine that
Nuking civilians with atom bombs multiple times: Good
Banning me from a fringe forum because I'm ideologically opposed to you: Bad
You're right you're right, liberals I'm so fucking sorry. I don't know how in my warped little authoritarian mind I convinced myself that banning you specifically on the internet is morally superior to nuclear hellfire wiping out entire bloodlines. Please forgive me for the love of god
I think that's a bit reductionist. Their argument was more "I stumbled into an instance that had vastly different views, but I'm from reddit so I only looked at the comm" or something.
I guess Candace Owens isn’t racist after all. She’s a black woman!
But that's the entire reason she gets a platform lol
Look I just have a sickness that makes me crave arguments with liberals, is that so wrong???
Ye, I'm garbage, but I'm hot garbage.
They can’t engage with any topics or offer counter arguments. Every response is:
“I don’t know how to respond to your argument. You must be a _____________[insert ‘racist’ or ‘genocide defending’ or ‘fascist’ or my new favorite ‘zionist’]”
lmaooooooooo what a massive self report
Funny self-report, but also clearly just a lie. Has any lib on Hexbear NOT received massive walls of text and sources as a response to their chuddery?
The typical experience is that they receive a bunch of ppb but also some effort posters try to explain things to them genuinely then they only reply to the ppb saying that it proves we have no real response while ignoring all the real responses they got.
Lmao oh boy
certified
They've become the "sly" fascists of yesteryear. "You SJWs just call everyone who supports genocide a fascist, you're afraid to DEBATE MEEE"
I looked up the OP in the modlog and saw:
reason: 
Nice to see our mods aren't the only ones with a sense of humor
If your libs only instances are too small to be worth interacting in, that sounds like a personal problem
skill issue
This libs only instance is certainly big enough that I forget there are others until I see one of the few cool posters from other libs only instances.
Damn I wish it worked shut the fuck up
Holy shit the lack of self awareness.
LemmyWorld did this EXACT thing to absolutely everyone posting a view left of the US State Dept. It's what got Hexbear defederated, it's what got me banned despite the fact I broke NO rules besides supporting Lenin/USSR and posting about those things.
They are ridiculous. They do this exact thing to everyone to their left and then they can't fucking take it if anyone else does it to them. Even when in this case it's just literally cracking down on the mindless misinformation and bullshit libs peddle about this event.
When they unban lenins2ndcat so I can go back to the massive amount of effective posting I was doing on their instance then they can start whining about censorship elsewhere. They do it themselves if a communist is effective enough to get upvotes there. There were a dozen subreddits ready to migrate too and they killed that shit stonedead and put the brakes on the entire movement to swap from reddit to lemmy with their bullshit. Literally everyone saw what lemmyworld was doing and said nahhhh fuck that in the backrooms at the peak of everyone being motivated to move.
Also the one I just quoted holy shit lmao.
The post that got that user banned and mad enough to make a whole ass post about it :
The mod response:
No that's just what proves it!
Actual responses in the thread
"You're all secretly Chinese spies!"
gets banned for being annoying
"I KNEW IT"
They're used to being able to silence anyone to their left. Turns out they can't take what they were dishing out.
I am pro tanks.
Tanks are actually pretty terrible in modern warfare
That may be a statistical fluke, since most of the active tanks on the planet are US manufactured, haven't seen maintenance since the first Bush admin, and were only built to function in the desert as long as the wind isn't blowing too hard.
Warfare?
Yeah exactly, that's why Ukraine and Russia have both stopped using tanks entirely.
It would totally fit in as a badposting effort post
The supporting evidence is a cable from a British guy who heard all these terrible things from a random source. I wonder why that source's account differs from all the other contemporary reports of that day
A lot of the dead bodies in those pictures are specifically labeled PLA soldiers too
Idiots
People are naive if they think the .ml admins and devs don’t intend to keep their thumb on the Lemmy scale. More instances need to take this threat seriously and defederate from .ml, and possibly even fork the Lemmy repos for when the devs inevitably decide they want to start building quiet exploits into the code. There are serious cyber security implications here that people are sleeping on
Honestly unhinged.
That’s the most frustrating part. These “leftists” are the stupid kind who seem to care more about relitigating idiotic cold war drama than evolving or pushing forward leftist philosophy. It’s straight up brain rot, mixed with obvious right wing agitprop disguised as leftist ideology.
What cold war drama? What right wing agitprop?
A hexbear in that thread is literally claiming that “the soldiers did everything they could to avoid hurting him” when there’s a photo of him lying dead on the street after the tanks have gone through. They don’t think it’s fine, they’re saying it didn’t happen (curious) [47]
Doesn't post the proof, unfortunately. Fortunately, a bunch of other people are correcting them.
The threat is bigger than that though. These people control the code base and can easily just start running modified code to fuck with various aspects of federation to generally keep their finger on the scale of any instance which federates with them. At best they have shown they have no shame and cannot be trusted. If there is any means of abusing their power, it must be assumed that they will embrace it.
Again literally no evidence that .ml has abused the federation algorithm or whatever.
Also it's open source so if you want to see what's in the code base just go fuckin look?
And if you don't know how to read the code then shut the fuck up?
Libs are deeply unserious
Yup, it would be so easy to show if something malicious was in the code. But for all the fear mongering they do, I haven't seen anyone show even a snippet of code.
He wanted to sound smart while knowing nothing about coding, open source and cybersecurity.
At best they have shown they have no shame and cannot be trusted. If there is any means of abusing their power, it must be assumed that they will embrace it.
Love it when they start feeling themselves and just end up talking like a Netflix show character.
Like what does this mean
we have no shame (true) and that means we're untrustworthy for some reason
also commies powerhungry and that's why...checks notes...we constantly fight for the powerless instead of selling out to a capitalist?
we really need to study these tadpoles
You know, this makes me sad and I can't really nail down why. I think it's because their ignorance is so pointless. I want .ml to maintain its current position because it's the closest thing we have to a place where we can talk with them. I feel like, for many of them, their current position on what "tankies" (Marxists) are and what they think is holding on by the skin of its teeth, reliant completely on enculturation because it's wildly out of step with what the vast, vast majority of Marxists on any instance actually say.
I hope some of them come to understand and accept how they've been lied to.
ml should absolutely not cave to libs just because they are not used to having their worldview challenged.
feddit still doesn't seem like a real instance name.
Slightly more subtle than the original name, COINTELPRO.lemmy.gov
Sucks to see so many people hating on dessalines in the comments. They have made audiobooks on tons of theory and written study guides. Really just a stand up person that wants people to learn, and they are getting mischaracterized as some kind of crazy badmin.
Dessalines: "Makes a free tool for everyone to enjoy and they use it and enjoy it, makes stuff to teach people about political theory."
People actively enjoying the tool (and dissenting via said tool): "They must be an evil pro-Kremlin CCP agent abusing their power to secretly exploit us all"
You really gotta understand how critical it is for these dweebs to carry water for the US state department by "criticising" the countries that have been designated as enemies. In today's tyrannical world it is one of the few acceptable outlets for going on racist screeds because they can veil their racism with nebulous concepts like democracy and freedom and authoritarianism etc.
They incuded my satirical comment in the modlog screenshot.
Also that comment got 20 upvotes, so I'm not entirely sure the lemmitors realised it was a joke.they even staged non-violent interactions
lmao, that's pretty good. probably there is some fash out there thinking the event was a 12 day sidewalk-to-sidewalk street brawl, therefor any pic of people just standing around not yelling or bleeding is inauthentic.
This is so obviously just going the same way as the British labour parties own purge of the tankies. Like they started with Corbyn and stuff and now they're kicking people out for liking a single tweet by Jon Stewart.
ngl though, like the whole thing of lemmy.ml banning people on a hairtrigger is dumb af, like whats the point of a forward facing communist instance if non-communists arent able to interact with it to be pushed towards becoming socialists
Lemmy.ml absolutely does not ban people on a hair trigger. Don't listen to these losers pretend they didn't push even those lax standards.
i posted a decently sourced comment in the thread and had 16 downvotes from cowards too scared to comment
is this the tankie censorship that the libs constantly whine about?
i am very glad we got rid of that shit on
Literally only worldnews is properly moderated out of major communities on .ml, communities like memes are full of turbolibs. The cause of this malding is that they went way too fucking far even for usually hands off Dessalines in their latest Tiananmen post on memes and he removed some more orientalist posts and closed the thread.
The community's even called Free Speech
The anti communist orthodoxy strikes again. If we let libs do whatever they want, it’s because we’re weak and cannot stand against their “ideological superiority”. If we engage with them and promptly ban them when they’re racist, it’s because we’re authoritarian and love censorship.
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As the good Chairman intended
every one of those posters need to get rolled up in the dirtiest rugs you can find then get beaten until the rugs are clean.
The BBC has always been fairly evil state run media, but they effectively stopped publishing any dissenting anti-status quo voices since ~2016 (at the explicit request of the government).
WARNING: graphical content
https://lemmy.world/post/16233963
And cue the flood of defed spam
Me, being the only leftist prick on midwest.social safe from being a target of an instance-defed circlejerk
I consider it an abject failure they have not banned me.
I wonder if Lemmy.world's Red Scare will result in more leftists leaving .world, and more Liberals from Reddit replacing them, creating a schism between Lemmy.world and related instances, and Grad/Hexbear/.ml. a sort of Multipolar Lemmy.
It's already happening when lemmyworld defederated from Hexbear. In general, there's no point in using Lemmy, which is still missing features from Reddit, unless you:
The people doing it for FOSS reasons are few in number, and the people doing it because they hate spez have crawled back to Reddit.
By defederating from Hexbear and Lemmygrad as well as being intolerant of that piracy comm means that lemmyworld will eventually slide towards fascism as its way of growing. In general, other Lemmy instances will either fade into irrelevance or adopt one of the two. If a Lemmy instance isn't spicy enough, it'll either orient itself towards socialism or towards fascism. Look at an instance like beehaw. They are openly contemptuous of the socialist instances, but since they, to their credit, also refuse to slide towards fascism, they have become irrelevant.
lemmy.world will eventually slide towards fascism
Why my antitankie space is full of fash, exhibit 8716287135
Oh, of course. Lemmy.world is the great net that specifically captures Radical Liberals with no specific, niche interests. It's a more terminally online Reddit.
People are trickling in from Reddit all the time, I don't fault new Lemmy users for just picking the largest general instance.
This is weird, because from lemmy.ml I can get to lemmy.world/c/fediverse, but I can't see this post.
I have accounts on a handful of instances and this is a common thing. Even instances that are federated with each other will often not be able to see some of each other's users (or their posts obviously) and even entire communities. There are lemmy.ml comms that we can't see from hexbear. For months I couldn't see any of my comments made on my hexbear account from my lemmygrad account and there are certain hexbear users I can't see at all from my lemmygrad account and other ones I can't see from my lemmy account. (Edit: Any comments made in the last 7 months on my lemmygrad account, I can't see from hexbear.) Personally, I'd recommend that hexbears make accounts on other instances too, not just to see these things that are invisible, but also to comment and counter some of the liberal bullshit that so often goes unchallenged because it was posted by people on instances that defederated from hexbear. Like .world, and the trash they spew across lemmy, as this post demonstrates.
Does this one work? https://feddit.nl/post/16246531
I've found the fediverse one weird sometimes. Was surprised the first time I tried to get the link it sas the feddit.nl url not world
Yeah, using that link, you're viewing lemmy.world's fediverse comm but you're viewing it from the feddit.nl instance. From lemmy.world itself, the link to that comm would be https://lemmy.world/c/fediverse. The post we're talking about is visible from those places, as it should be. If hexbear were federated with .world, the link for us would be http://hexbear.net/c/fediverse@lemmy.world, but that doesn't work since we aren't federated. Since lemmy.ml is federated with lemmy.world, the following is the link to the same comm from lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/c/fediverse@lemmy.world However, you'll notice that the post in question "Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem" is not visible from that link. Which means that everyone logged in and using lemmy.ml do not see that post. It doesn't exist as far as they're concerned, since the only way to see it would be to do so from an instance that is not their own, which people are not liable to go looking for since they aren't aware of what they can't see. I don't know if instances can make certain posts inaccessible to other instances (never heard of that, but maybe?), but whether it was done intentionally or is just a lemmy bug, the effect is the same.
I hope that made sense, and I apologize if I was just explaining a bunch of stuff you already know. Just trying to clarify the issue and explain it in case others are confused.
It's because that user was banned. So we can't see their posts. I'm pretty sure at least. It unfortunately happens to us often when there's drama from a banned .world or other user about .ml.
The reason I ended up on lemmygrad/hexbear is because I saw folks posting to .ml/.world
So keep up the praxis?
These are obvious faults in the fed structure and can and should be addressed via server and client features. The fediverse concept is a technology in its infancy and it's allowed to stumble as it learns to walk.
They feel like the only tool to prevent this is defederation. We also have instance blocking server side, right? Is there an in-between feature that could work? Something weird like shareable instance filter lists. Or a "maybe" category - some "Enter at your own risk" flag an instance could set short of defederation?
I'm not here just because fuck spez etc, but because I think the fediverse will be a stepping stone to better tech to manage diverse populations, so I'm not really interested in fixing libs so much as having tools to better federate.
We also have instance blocking server side, right?
Individual users can block instances if that's what you mean.
Hey, remember when some nerd got mad about tankies and wrote their own lemmy-alike, and it fell on its fucking ass and the primary instance had to be defederated because it was taken over by spammers? Maybe these nerds should stfu.
Nope, I would love to lean more. Kbin?
Those are all Rule 1 violations, which reads, "No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia." (and includes a link up the code of conduct).
These babies are repeating infantilizing orientalist memes and are surprised when the rules are applied to them, lol. Some of them probably don't even realize it because they're so used to playing pretend about the see see pee and the oppressed Chinese people in their imaginations that they actually think they are stating facts.
Deeply unserious people.
PS remember when lemmy.world preemptively defederated from hexbear (in the justification they say defend is "as a last resort" lol)?
Censorship is when an internet forum bans me for my image depicting Xi Jinping as Winnie the Pooh