Biden is toast with people under 45 isn't he?
The 45+ crowd will vote for him because they support isn'treal and are afraid of Drumpf but I think we're going to see a massive drop out of young voters. Probably too with the people who already don't vote to begin with, namely service workers who are fucked over either way with D's and R's.
And here I thought Biden was going to win in November, time to eat crow.
I think the under 45 participation rate will be so low that Trump will actually get more support than Biden, because at least his base loves him.
Can't wait for the endless think pieces about how young people are conservative 🙄
Can't wait for the endless think pieces about how young people are conservative
Oh, god. The NYT all by itself will publish scores of op-eds, think pieces, and even articles "explaining" the phenomenon. And all them will be high up on the homepage.
Depends how much the election fraud narrative is pushed. If Trump convinces enough supporters that voting is meaningless, then both parties would be dealing with self-inflected low turnout. Granted, if the belief that democracy is dead is a strong enough belief to suppress Trump votes enough for Biden to win, then we risk bigger problems regardless of the outcome of the vote.
Over 45 Libs (and a lot of people under that age too) really think that they can just say "trump bad, trump worse" to every criticism because to them the break with norms is so shocking that they can't get over it. They think everyone cares about this aesthetic shit as much as they do.
For people who's formative years were around the george w admin we saw a president who did unspeakably terrible things but the libs give him credit because he went to the correspondents dinner and took it on the chin. They really can't understand that we're looking past the optics, we know it's all a charade and we care about what's behind it.
In the defense of people over 45 they think that because it worked on them for the last 3 decades and they never had the thought of "Maybe the guy whose promised me if I vote for him things will get better for 30 years is actually also full of shit."
So far we have the whole stimulus check debacle, no student loan forgiveness, banning TikTok, and now his steadfast determination to enable genocide in Palestine. I'm sure there is a lot more. I don't know what he has done for young people except belittle causes and issues that are important to them
I'm probably not voting at all, but Id vote 3rd party again if I did.
Remember when Feinstein told a bunch of literal children to fuck off when they confronted her about climate change? Children with existential dread is not a thing the world should tolerate yet the crusty old dinosaur was indifferent. That's the democratic party in a nutshell. They can't even pretend to care.
He started off saying he has no synpathy for the problems faced by young people and telling billionaires nothing will fundamentally change.
He was cooked from the start he just worked harder than most of the baby leftists who tried really really hard to give him a pass but he kept doubling down and reiterating that he detests them and doesn't care what they think and would never even consider comprimising with them let alone working with them.
He started at zero and has been digging as hard as he can since then.
He barely beat trump, only because Trump killed 2 million Americans to own the libs, and since then has done everyrhing he can to convince anybody who cares about workers right, the environment, or not committing genocide to not vote for him.
Just look at the current liberal memes that are literally "ok Biden is doing a genocide but if Trump wins he'll do even more genocide"
Gotta vote for Biden so Trump doesn't bomb the rubble.
He was also getting destroyed in the polls until Obama made the perfect phone call
Obummer putting his thumb on the scales only to make things worse is very on-brand. Like how the NBA was gonna strike over black lives matter and then he called up some of the players and talked them out of it. Can you imagine the amount of attention they could have brought to the issue? Big names, immensely popular figures, role models to children, an industry worth billions and billions in cash. Goddamn him.
Biden's still favored to win on all the betting markets.
I'm guessing Dems will laser-focus on women's health, pretending they weren't responsible for anything lost while they controlled all 3 branches of federal government. Of course they won't mention the hospitals where their bombs are dropping nor the arab women who are giving birth while literally dead in the street. But the advertisements will be convincing!
Biden's still favored to win on all the betting markets.
Literally how is this possible lol. I just checked and Trump is at 29.4%, seems like easy money to me. You'd think they would have learned after 2016.
Biden 54 cents - Trump 45 cents on predictit (pres winner pays $1)
lmao betting markets.
Biden is going to lose, it’s that simple. The genocide alone is enough to make him lose Michigan, Georgia was a razor thin margin that won’t happen again, and Trump leads in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona.
The first two plus any one of the last three is enough for Trump to win.
He’s done next to nothing to actually help people while instead sending hundreds of billions to Ukraine and Israel. We are closer to WW3 now than at any other point this century, and he bears much of the blame.
Im in this demographic.
Im not voting.
C'mon at least write in Stalin
I'll show up to vote on local candidates and referendums but I'm writing in "Free Palestine" for president and I suggest anyone else going to the polls do the same.
Yeah the move is to vote, just not for Biden. Clearer what you're trying to communicate, harder to ignore.
Cmon, just like republicans count 'Jesus' as a repub vote, 'Stalin' is also counted as democrat
banning the platform where they've watched him egg on and fund genocide after a year of that is like committing youth seppuku.
Zoomers: We're never going to vote for you, you genocidal geezer.
Biden: You're right Jack, you'll never vote for me and anyone else ever again.
declares martial law
45+ are afraid they'll lose their social security but 45- know they'll probably never get it anyways.
I'm pretty sure the US can't survive social security ending. Everyone here hates everyone else as it is, it's literally the only carrot left.
Can't wait to laugh my ass off at Biden losing and cry my ass off at all of us being forced to live in turbo-hell where everything continually gets worse
I've been living in turbo hell where everything keeps getting worse for decades.
The only difference is when a dem is president all the chuds around me feel the need to tell me about how they're going to murder people like me.
Turbo hell is just an option between IROC-Z and a Mack truck being the delivery vehicle.
at all of us being forced to live in turbo-hell where everything continually gets worse
this is my last election as an under 45, but i haven't voted for a major party for El Presidente since Obozo's first term, let me be clear. i thought he was gonna close gitmo.
i work with a bunch of PMC types in the non profit / give a fuck sector, so they are generally younger than me by 10-20 years. there are only a few committed turbolibs, who like brag about their connections to the local DNC franchise. legit cringe. i think probably there's a chunk that are more fearful of another trump term than a biden term and don't see a path out, though we all live in a safely red state with just a handful of electoral votes anyway so the emotional investment is non existent for anyone with a functioning mind. so basically, the bulk of the over 45 professionals are all visibly wigging the fuck out about another trump term, to our incredulity. i bet if i told any of the well remunerated / wealthy Gen Xers that i wasn't gonna vote for biden, they would burst a blood vessel.
what would be amusing to me would be if biden loses, but the dems pick up seats in the house and senate that some kind of antagonistic coalition can form with the numbers to override presidential vetos and fuck with the courts. i don't think it's feasible and would probably only do terrible things, but it would be funny.
Idk. American elections are really unpredictable and very close. This is not a defense of Biden or Trump just that it's like not very different from flipping a coin.
Turnouts going to be lower that's for sure.
Biden loses in the popular vote, but wins in the electoral college. The Republicans say the election was stolen and Trump posts on his social media that the Republicans should abolish the electoral college, but nothing happens.
I keep seeing this here and as much as it would be funny there's literally no chance that happens.
The EC is explicitly set up to give lower population (republican) states more influence.
Unless California and New York catch Trump fever and everybody form "real america" decides to overwhelmingly vote for the perosn they've been screaming is a communist for a decade this is never ever going to happen.
What if NY and CA somehow went to RFK, could that make this possible?
It’s possible if RFK saps enough votes in non-swing states without actually changing the result of those states. Even more if red states have extra turnout for Trump and blue states have less turnout for Biden.
As an extreme example, if RFK won over every Biden voter in Texas, that’s 5 million less votes for Biden without changing the result.
Don't be silly, this is America! No one under the age of 45 exists! that's why we put in so much effort causing the housing crisis! We helped all you homeowners BuIlD yOuR wEaLtH! Why aren't you happy?
Besides, I'm sure those young'uns LIKE being basement dwellers anyways!
Biden is toast...
Homie, Biden smells toast on the daily.
It really is the split where people stop getting their news from major networks/cable and start getting it online.
That's me and I'm not voting
It's also me and I'm voting in local elections for people who think public education should exist and we shouldn't start rounding up minorities and then writing in "not genocide" for the president.
I was just watching UCLA protest video where someone of the zionist side pulled out a Trump flag. No significant negative reaction from anyone on the zionist side. Support for Israel's genocide is support for Trump. Biden is voting for Trump. :vote: Blue No Matter Genocide
To the people saying they will not vote, why not vote for De la Cruz? Even if you don't like the PSL, it's better than voting blank?
I'm the campaign volunteer coordinator for the campaign in Akron, Ohio (don't scold me about doxxability, I don't care, my name, address, and party affiliation is a matter of public record). The PSL and the De La Cruz campaign is the only serious contender in the country.
I do truly believe that almost all Communist orgs out there are fundamentally full of well-meaning people, but at least outside of New York and L.A., the PSL is the only nationwide Marxist-Leninist org putting the effort into actually being nationwide. I've been out canvassing for the last few weeks to get our girlbosses on the ballot and I haven't seen nor heard of any other organized petitioning (that wasn't literally just one crank super into Jasmine Sherman or Marianne Williamson or some other deeply unserious joke candidate).
Though winning would be great, the best thing about volunteering for the campaign is that it's a great way to get involved in your local branch without having to become a member. Protests are loud and impersonal, but going canvassing with your other CK24 canvassers can help you get to know your local PSL branch (and while I stand by the PSL as a whole and my local branch, like any other org not all locals are created equal). I have gotten to know so many great people who would never have spontaneously decided to join "the Tankie Party" but were attracted to the party through CK24 being the most active Socialist alternative campaign.
The thing the PSL has that none of these other campaigns (Sherman, West, Williamson, Stein, Kennedy) do is dozens or hundreds of disciplined comrades in every state and major city ready to organize and lead a campaign without being beholden to big donors or the Democratic Party apparatus. No other org has anything close to this.
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seriously know that you are appreciated doing election work like this is thankless and stressful most of the time but somebody has to do it
100% agree but i'm british so i don't get to
I'm Swedish, so same. No skin in the game, I just feel like this election is a good opportunity for Americans to show that Marxism Leninism is more popular than people might think.
I think he’s definitely toast with any voters under 25. Beyond that it gets a bit harder to say. I think he’s definitely wildly unpopular with most folks under 45 but they might just vote for him to vote against Trump. It comes down to whether people view their vote as a personal endorsement of a candidate, in which case they won’t vote for him, or as a defense against Trump, in which case they will not. If I had to guess today, I’d say Biden wins the popular vote by a slimmer margin than what Hillary won by in 2016 but then loses the electoral college because of lower turnout in the same key states that Hillary lost.
I’m still not totally convinced that the democrats care too much about winning. You’d think they would wait a few months until after the election to discuss stuff like the Tik tok ban or even additional funds to Israel. It really feels like they’re looking for ways to self sabotage so we get trump, at which point they’ll blame the left/young people. We’ll see what these next few months look like.
IDK this country has a massive cuckholdery to the Democrat Republican clown show. I don't see them moving to the Green Party or PSL in numbers that one would think would send a message. There's non insignificant support for dynasty establishment troll RFK Jr. So if those people don't channel this fustration into a relavant supporting party such as Green or PSL save an armed revolution nothing will fundementally change and the cycle of D/R clownshow continues.
Edit - all the people not voting it's like just rolling over for the Empire. Passive acceptance / consent. Surrender. No vote. No right to complain.
Well, yes, for sure. I don't think there's any question here that the D/R clownshow will continue. The only question (as with every prez election cycle) is which one will win the big clown contest, D or R. Anyone who thinks Green or PSL can siphon away voters in numbers significantly more than they did in past elections is sadly but profoundly mistaken. I haven't seen that prediction here on hexbear though.
Personally, I think it seems pretty obvious Trump will win, though I don't care enough to have a strong opinion or to watch the polls in any more detail than what I see posted here. I just know I'll either get to point and laugh at the blue maga libs or the original maga chuds while life for myself and most other working class people will continue to decline in this rotting core and as its contradictions heighten, becoming increasingly terminal.
Edit: And voting isn't going to change that. On the contrary, a good argument can be made that voting is rolling over for the empire by tacitly legitimizing this fucking joke of a "democratic" system. Anyone who is involved in an org or doing literally anything to help other people especially in their community but refuses to vote is doing infinitely more to not surrender to the empire than someone who votes with all their might in every election and then goes home to watch TV news.
It's also for downballot legitimacy since there's this whole "well they never win so why bother" attitudes. You want PSL / Greens on your city coucil get you better material conditions at home? Local wages. Cost of housing. Presidential races are a way to show that. But if no one tries because they're too apathetic it perpetuates "they won't win so why bother" into a vicous self defeating circles. Then the Dems play "you have no where to go".
Yes you need to do more thab vote. As lib Jon Stewart said it is a lunch pail day in and day out job. It is a sacrafice to serve and build that community and build that trust and build coalitions. Activism doesn't start and stop with voting. The system runs on consent - aka votes. That is the one rule. We must consent. They say the quiet part out loud if you are listening and paying attention - they hope you don't. Yes our elections are shams because they try to railroad people into the D/R clownshow. There are options, however difficult they try to make and they aren't always on the TV as the owners of media have a conflict of interest. That is where on the ground activism, organizations, word of mouth and independent publishing works best. I'm not saying stop doing your activism and community work. That's the lunchpal day in and day out grind we need. Just in your work, and for yourself help put a dagger in the Empire by actually voting NON COMMITTED and with a party who is close to your values.
What do you have to lose in voting for a 3rd party anyways? A bit of time to vote? Think of it as critical support. There's only so much they can bullshit.
It's ironic that the Brandon admin had been bringing TikTok influencers to the White House to help boost the public image of the Inflation reduction act, but now is like fuck it, I'm banning the whole platform to defend a genocide.
EDIT: According to the intercept, the white house is still courting TikTok influencers.
Americans aren’t sending their best to the White House.
Nope, plenty of under 45 libs are gonna vote for him. It’s the only way to save democracy.
Cultists
I don't even know how much Biden himself cares about winning. I think the dem party will keep scaring people with Trump and hope that's enough, maybe try to throw out some last minute handouts right before the election, but yeah overall I think he's been toast for a while now. I guess Trump will just lay low, sell his shoes, bibles, and post memes.
It genuinely scares me that trump has a good chance of being elected
In thinking about it, I'm actually slightly more scared of a Biden reelection. The actual policies will be just as horrible as they would be under another Trump admin, just look at the last 4 years for proof. But if Trump wins, all the blue maga libs will be screaming again about how the US is descending into fascism, which is true, they just don't understand the reasons or that it's true with Biden as well. Remember when they were upset about kids in cages on the border? It was because the rude orange man was doing it. When a dem does it, it's polite so it must be ok. Trump made for more room to be critical of US policies, both foreign and domestic, but mostly domestic. I don't think the George Floyd protests would have gone as far under a dem president. I don't think we would have gotten any economic relief for covid under a democrat president (even the measly token amount we did get). And while I don't think Trump will do anything to help end the genocide of Palestinians, it's at least slightly possible his pretense at an isolationist stance will make it harder to send hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel like Biden insists on doing. And again, anything Trump does to perpetuate the genocide, many more libs will (correctly, like a broken clock) see it as a bad thing.
Some might say this borders on accelerationism, but I disagree. There really was a material benefit to Trump being president beyond "things are going to get worse faster" because more people actually gave a shit about what was going on. Specifically, more people that have at least some wealth and power (like PMC turbolibs). As long as Biden is the imperial top dog, all the libs can go back to enjoying brunch, content in the knowledge that the supposed adults in the room are in control. If Biden wins a second term, it also makes it all the more clear that the democrats can literally and openly conduct a genocide and still get rewarded for it. That is more frightening to me than another 4 years of Trump, and I say that as a queer person belonging to a few demographics that Trump and the republicans are keen to target (that the democrats might sometimes give lip service to in order to maintain the facade that they don't also hate us).
Biden was always going to lose reelection, I never had a moment of doubt in my mind since the second he was elected
My mom is 50 and anytime politics comes up she just gets upset and says, I guess trumps going to win because we’re all doing whatever we can not to vote for Biden. She’s not your average 50 year old though.
That is very much the behavior of your average 50 year old.
"Oh I guess you aren't going to give me what i want just because he's not perfect because he's doing a genocide, stop being so selfish."
She means it in the way that she personally isn’t going to vote for him because he’s a piece of shit, I’ve had her clarify. She only started voting about a decade ago after decades of disenfranchisement, and she’s already disillusioned.
Is Palestine really a big deal for the average voter? I think the people who wont vote for Biden over it werent going to vote for him regardless
I think a lot of people that were willing to hold their noses and vote for Biden experienced a "straw that broke the camel's back" moment with the genocide. They didn't want to vote for Biden but were resigned to do it because Trump is a terrible person. Funding and arming a genocide is a step too far for them. It's something they can't overlook.
The Tik Tok ban definitely alienated a lot of younger voters. After seeing the likes of Jeff Jackson vote for the ban, many are jaded into believing that neither side is great.
You bet your ass I'm voting for Biden over Trump. Elections have consequences. I don't like Biden as a candidate. But with how elections currently work in the US, it's either Biden or Trump. And that's an easy decision.
Edit* you hexbear folks are an interesting lot. You fling around accusations that completely ignore the complexities of geopolitics. It's insulting to suggest that I support genocide, especially without engagement in an actual discussion. I've been around lemmy a while now and every day it's the same argument from you folks. There can be no discussion because y'all can't act like adults and have a good faith discussion. The only answer is to not engage, and that's a shame.
What consequences do you think are on the table?
Biden has Trump beat on: Deportations, war-making, strike-breaking, police funding, arms sales, oil extraction, activist prosecution through RICO, government surveillance, social media banning, student repression, and oh yeah fuckin genocide
But yeah sure it's an "easy decision" for a middle-class white boy from Bumfuck, USA
Which president did more genocide? Which president did Roe v Wade die under with no opposition? Which president crushed the rail unions? Which president proposed the more fascist border policy? Which president committed an act of war against Europe and Russia by blowing up the Nord Stream? Which president has spent billions funding nazis?
Trump was already president with control of both houses of Congress and Biden hasn't overturned any of the policies he enacted. The Supreme Court already has an extreme Conservative majority. There is no doomsday if Trump wins; he is only slightly worse.
Go ahead and vote for Biden if you have to, but at least do your part with getting involved in third party action to help make them viable in the future. I plan on volunteering and voting for the de la Cruz campaign.
cool to know genocide isn't a dealbreaker for you
Oooh I finally understand what the whole hexbear thing is. It’s a blockable echo chamber of a vocal minority.
Every single hostile comment here when you click on the profile. Hexbear. Neat!
Damn my Lemmy is about to get a lot more peaceful.
So you see opinions you don't like and you're blocking them so you are only exposed to the opinions you agree with? And you're calling Hexbear an echo chamber? You're a fucking moron.
And of course you couldn't just shut the fucl up and do that you had to let us all know how special you are.
Everybody here is glad to not have another dumbshit liberal making brain dead points that don't stand up to a second of scrutiny.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do. Literally nobody gives a shit.
wait no, internet cool guy, the discourse here needs more smug libs defending their favorite socially conservative , pro-war, pro-cop & pro-prison octogenarian sex pest.
what will we do without someone repeating the same focus-grouped talking points of every corporate media outlet near the top of every half hour!
"but the young people don't vote!"
I wonder why that might be
"They're not smart enough to know they should vote liberal"
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"Young people today want to complain about how bad they have it. Give me a break. No I'm serious, I have no sympathy."
Gee I wonder why the person who said that at a campaign event might have a hard time with youth support.
And if you bring this up liberals just link you a snopes article that says it's false that he said it and the first line of the article is "ok he did literally say those words in that order and it isn't out of context but he didn't mean it like that."
I'm very curious about the impact of abortion since it's clearly hugely significant to people and yet the Democratic party has shown and continues to show they have no interest in acting on it on a federal level.
I'm not even sure they have interest acting on a state level since everything I've seen has been ballot initiatives.
The only states where the presidential vote matters are “battleground” states.
Only states that have abortion on the ballot are where abortion will be a significant political issue.
As of now, there’s only 1 state that ticks both of those boxes (Arizona). So in terms of the presidential election, it’s only really relevant there. And tbh, the way the polling seems now, it looks like Arizona will make abortion legal but vote for Trump.
Yet another opportunity to immediatly lock this election up and instead they send out Joe to stammer through a statement about how he doesn't personally support it and "doesn't believe in the whole my body my choice thing"