I hate how they completely ignore how there's ongoing oppression against queer people and racial minorities right now, under Biden, and he's doing nothing about it or is actively making it worse. I live in Texas. Completely within Biden's term my state has outlawed trans healthcare and abortions. They've also begun gutting schools in primarily black or Latino districts. Biden's response has been to bomb Palestinians.
And yet these liberals tell me Trump is going to do worse to me? Biden's already allowing the worst of the fascists to do whatever they please. Biden in his second term is gonna overthrow the Texan state and shoot Greg Abbott in the head? And at the same time he'll bomb Palestinian kids?
If you can't leverage an action to get something, what good is that action? How valuable is it if you gain nothing from withholding it?
If the president won't change to get votes, then why bother voting for them at all?
Why engage with the electoral system if your only viable choice is to vote one party?
How is this system any good if a single election can destroy democracy forever? And finally, why would anybody say that this is a good system worth defending?
Me waiting for someone to point at any time withholding your vote actually brought about measurable change in a positive direction.
Me waiting for someone to point at any time unconditionally promising to vote Democrat has actually brought about measurable change to the Democratic Party in a positive direction.
also lmao at them posting this to .world where they know we can't respond. @Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com come here and say that to our faces you fucking coward.
"Hexbear users hate Biden with a passion and push the “both sides” envelope with fervor, so their message aligns with that of MAGA voters who want to dismantle the government. I don’t think Hexbear are really GOP advocates, I personally think they’re a small community that has been prodded along and mentored by Pro-CCP foreign agents, bots, and bad faith actors to create political divide and discord while also increasing support of the CCP and their immediate allies, but that’s all just armchair theorizing at this point."
Hexbear either hates Biden as much as Trump or it hates Biden more than Trump, depending on which person you ask about the Hexbear spectre and on which day you ask them.
They usually agree that Hexbear is indistinguishable from Trump supporters.
They are seemingly in agreement that abstaining from voting does nothing but they are also seemingly in agreement that not voting is effective because it facilitates the victory for the side you oppose.
So if we are telling people not to vote then:
It should be of no concern because it doesn't do anything
It should be of no concern because (ostensibly) we support Trump and not Biden and when we tell one another on this site not to vote we would be making a Biden win more viable
They also think this a credible threat to Biden's re-election because they're talking about how bad things would be if we "get our way" and Trump is elected
I just can't parse out how many conflicting and contradictory arguments are all getting jumbled into that conversation in that thread yet everyone seems to be nodding in agreement with eachother.
It's like a nightmare "Yes, and..." situation in there.
I'm not even American. I just don't see how voting for a genocidal rabid dog that needs to be beaten with a stick in Biden is going to fix anything. Trump supporters are not going away, and nor are the conditions that created him and them. And internationally, the USA will continue to be the imperial hegemon no matter who is in charge.
Who is it historically who have been the more likely to cave to fascism? What ideology did Carl Schmitt write about as being a trojan horse into fascism? No, it's actually the people who don't wanna vote for genocide who are the people enableing fascism not the people who do. Man these liberals are fucking stupid.
Joe Biden is “only” Genocide abroad, and probably less of it.
Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.
No, it doesn’t matter that he’s an active participant in the apparatus that’s creating the genocide, because if he’s in office there’s less genocide. Which is the important part, and pretending otherwise is sophistry. If you abstain from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide and if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the amount of genocide.
The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes more genocide less likely, and discouraging people from voting for Biden makes more genocide more likely. Therefore, discouraging people from voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy and voting for Biden in battleground states is an anti-genocide strategy. You should vote for Biden unless you live in a solid blue state, and even then it’s not a bad idea.
TLDR: if you encourage people to not vote for Biden, that’s supporting genocide. Accelerationism never works for us.
If you're voting between two genocidaires, and acknowledge it as such, then your political system is illegitimate and deeply evil.
And if it has gotten to that point, where you acknowledge the reality of genocidal parties and candidates but just handwring about voting, then the real sentiment here is:
I care about Ukrainians in my vicarious crusade against Russia (and because Ukrainians are European and white), and I don't care about Palestinians. Just let me go back to Brunch.
This is tell you all that those posters and propagandists are white supremacists. They just want a baptism that absolves their complicity in empire, because they also depend on it for cheap treats and good wages/credit. Life is materially good for them but also incredibly emotionally and spiritually vapid, which is why liberals obsess about politics in this manner.
Though Biden may not survive to see justice, I certainly hope the rest of the administration will be held to account one day.
I don't care if people vote or not, I am just tired of people pretending their choice to vote for what is dubiously lesser evil is morally superior or better informed. Go vote for your racist white man.
Check out their usage of the term fascism too. Only afraid of it because its a less veiled, and less successful form of government than bourgeois democracy at genocide and imperialism.
The western left’s use of the term fascism, is borderline white-supremacist at this point. Fascism was a form of colonialism that died by the 1940s, and is only allowed to be demonized in public discourse, because it was a form of colonialism directed also against white europeans. It was defeated, and Germany / Italy / Japan reverted to the more stable form of government for colonialism (practiced by the US, UK, France, the Netherlands, Australia, etc): bourgeois parliamentarism.
British, european, and now US colonizers were doing the exact same thing, and killing far more people for hundreds of years in the global south, yet you don’t hear ppl scared of their countries potentially "adopting parliamentary democracy”. They haven't changed, and their wealth is still propped up by surplus value theft from the super-exploitation of hundreds of millions of low-paid global south proletarians.
This is why you have new leftists terrified that the UK or US or europe “might turn fascist!!”, betraying that the atrocities propagated by those empires against the global south was and is completely acceptable.
Make no mistake about it: parliamentary / bourgeois democracy is not only a more stable form of government, it's also far more effective at carrying out colonialism, and killing millions of innocent people.
Ah, you’re privileged enough to think you’re insulated from any actual consequences of the election and fuck those other people, right?
Considering the number of trans people on Hexbear, what are they talking about? Trans people are a big target. And I don't just identify as non-binary, I have it on legal documents too.
Or do they think we're all wealthy? mutual_aid is quite a busy sub, and while the total donation amount isn't small, it's not really all that big either.
Admittedly we do have a bit of a problem, but em_poc is still fairly active.
But also, Hexbear is just a shitposting site. I (and I'm sure most everybody else here) do organizing and take real action in real life.
This is how it always works for them: when Democrats win, that means voters love that sensible centrism, the party isn’t doing anything wrong. When democrats lose, that’s because purity leftists sabotaged the election, the democrats didn’t do anything wrong. See, if the Democrats never do anything wrong then they never have to confront their powerlessness to affect change to the political system.
I'd say it's frightening that so many libs seem to think a firm, principled refusal to participate in gencide is some kind of soviet psyop but i'm mostly just numb.
So these are the coward-ass losers who "preemptively" defederated from Hexbear before we so much as glanced in their direction?
Can't say I'm shocked by the quality of posts, a fuckin crying baby in a hat? The dipshits from the old Donald sub had more creativity than that, absolute dregs of reddit
Weird. Libs are the ones who've been peddling Russiagate as a legitimate threat to American democracy. You'd think they'd be a bit more scared of us given our posting power.
The White liberal is a person who defines themselves as White, as an oppressor, in short, and retreats in horror from that designation. However, they only retreat halfway, disavowing the title without giving up the privileges or tearing out, as it were. The fundamental trait of the White liberal is their desire to differentiate themselves psychologically from White Americans on the issue of race. The White liberal wants to think and wants others, namely people of color, to embrace brotherhood. White liberals have two basic aims: to prevent polarization and prevent racial conflict." - Lerone Bennet Jr
Or, perhaps even more direct here, "White liberals are attempting to work within a system which is opposed to basic change, and they do not try nor do they desire to change that system in any of its fundamentals." - Ralph Bunche
Also, I hate how much speculation they make about the future of politics while being utterly ignorant of what has happened in the past. They say that Biden will inevitably do less harm than trump without questioning who's doing harm right now.
They said democracy would be destroyed under trump if elected. He was in for four years and nobody stopped him. Then Biden comes in and he doesn't move to undo any damage - like he could've protected Roe v Wade. He's instead funding genocide and continuing many of the same policies. If Biden was against trump at all, then why is he cooperating with republicans with anti-immigration policies?
Libs accept that voting may be vaguely useful, but is less than the bare minimum you should be doing to affect politics, they cannot beat this challenge.
I am hereby petitioning the admins to enforce a one week moratorium on all memes that attempt to convince people not to vote.
It's just been a relentless barrage of meme after meme exhorting people not to vote on this site and honestly I'm considering whether I even want to stay because I've just about had enough of it.
Donald Trump is Genocide at home and abroad.
Joe Biden is “only” Genocide abroad, and probably less of it.
Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.
Do these people exist outside of lemmy? This has got to be the purest form of STEMlord + radical-liberalism that only an open source reddit clone could provide. This user is not mentally well.
If you're going to vote Biden, the only way is to either deny the genocide or shut the fuck up about it. Not, "yes my candidate is committing genocide but please still vote for him in the name of ending genocide".
That or its totally disingenuous right wing trolling.