Bruh look at the reddit/tumblr posters bruh
source link: https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/1akcbol/if_the_revolution_comes_people_will_start_eating/
Wild that changing the words in a sentence can change the meaning.
except that socialism offers concrete solutions to real world problems whereas religion offers pie in the sky promises which is the actual origin of the fucking phrase
Excellent song, though the title hasn't aged too well.
Christians believe in a heavenly afterlife overseen by a benevolent god. Leftists believe humans, removed from exploitative relationships, can create a better world that puts people over profit. I, an idiot, can't see a difference between these things
Every person dreaming of a better world is exactly the same in every way, you fool, you absolute buffoon.
Lol this reminds me of some bullshit I saw on the Vaush sub today. Some guy claiming that he watched tons of "normie news" and how it shows that leftist are "completely disconnected from reality" cuz we aren't always as familiar with the legal frameworks of the US government as policy wonks.
I was like, dude what fucking "normie news" are you watching? Neither Fox nor CNN really gets into the minutia of policy making, it's 90% current events and culture war shit. Yeah some 17 year old TilToker ain't gonna know as much as a lawyer, but honestly leftist sources I follow probably do an overall better job of getting into the finer details of legal policy than fucking Rachel Maddow. Clearly you just came up with this shit to have another excuse to complain about the left that you hate but nevertheless want to consider yourself a part of.
when mad libs do mad libs
if there was a revolution leftists would eat anyone who can afford an apartment by themselves
who would they be paying? all the landlords would be dead, L-
Those lifestyle choices?
Being a landlord and slaughtering Palestinians
Hard to do but they're wrong on both counts. Even evangelical Christians attempt to make progress.
They're famously hellbent on it, you could say
I want to go to the leftist megachurch
Off topic but the concept of mega churches is so foreign to me. Growing up all the churches my family went to were small enough to be on first name basis with most if not all of the congregation, pastor included. We even left one because my dad had beef with the pastor over the existence of hell and whether a benevolent god would allow the existence of hell (the pastor was pro-hell). Comparing that to literal stadiums full of people? I never got much out of church/religion but I can't imagine having any kind of spiritual connection when you're "worshiping" alongside 10s of thousands of people, the grand majority of which are complete strangers to you. What kind of community is even fostered there? I can't imagine they're able to have everyone hangout in the church basement after the sermon drinking coffee and shooting the shit
Christianity as consumerism in its purest form the megachurch. Community? No one will ever know I was here. Conversations? I cannot hear you over this sick ass guitar solo during Days of Elijah. Social currency? Hell yeah, take these bumper stickers that act like those police union stickers.
This is what I was imagining btw
I grew up northeast catholic so those were basically the only churches I knew. When i was maybe 9 or 10 some family member had a christening for their kid or something. So we drove our asses out to bumfuck PA and we get to their church and its like a walmart with a vaulted ceiling. we get in and i'm looking around and I see these huge screens, like 4 or 5 set up across the front where there was a massive stage that looked like it was for performances.
Little me had absolutely zero theory, basically all my politics up to that point was captain planet, lil bush, and mind of mencia. I somehow still remember feeling really grossed out, thinking "this place doesn't really feel all that Jesus-y to me, jesus doesn't use televisions and stage lighting" I don't even know if it could be considered a mega church but it felt like it really wanted to be one.
Communists also want to condemn infidels fascists, send non-believers anti-communist militants to hell the Gulag, they also hate blasephemouslords landlords
i always forget there are people like this on tumblr because everyone i follow is cool
It's so weird to stumble across a right winger on tumblr. Like baby what are you doing here.
real 'Demons are the same as Angels' energy
So I'm not in a communist party but I have attended some open meetings. Interestingly, not once were celibacy, single-bedroom apartment dwellers, banana consumption, and whether or not straight people should use the term "partner" were brought up. So I can assure you that these are just things people like to debate on the Internet for fun and rarely affect IRL organizing.
Deeply unsatisfied that nobody in my local org has ever handed me a picture of a pig pooping on its balls.
Surely someone must have at least once brought up the issue of the outdoor cat?
not once were… whether or not straight people should use the term "partner" were brought up.
I don’t know what the OP is about and I don’t intend on reading about it, but this made me lol after conjuring up what I think the OP is about
You clearly aren't going to your local weird Maoist group then
Yeah I'm not that's true
been gradually seeing a lot of the whole "DAE le horseshoe theory but for radical leftists and evangelicals" talking point being spread in radlib spaces in the last few months, so im willing to bet that some libtube talking head debate bro said it a few times in some video or something
It's almost as if they share an eschatology of radical change but one of them is entirely based on materialism and the other idealism, which means that they are fundamentally different. But that would require things like nuance.
Yeah this person doesn’t seem like a full on reactionary, and they have a pride flag in their PFP, so unless they’re a radlib (possible if not likely), this seems like a solid critique of the sort of heaven-like futurism many leftists have
The madlib is more or less what we say about ultras. We call them utopians who refuse to accept anything short of complete heaven on earth.
Nah, he has a point. I think a non zero part of my highly binary thinking comes from my early childhood education into evangelical protestantism
These examples are nonsense but the v*lcel police shit absolutely is just repackaged puritan sex panic
I will defend the volcel vanguard with my dying breath. It's nice to have a space online where things don't have to instantly be terminally horny.
There is a puritanical strain of leftism though which can be pretty cringe.
Nah there are way too many sex pests in the Western left so our spaces must be stripped of personal sexualization. There is the entire rest of the internet / social club world to be horny in.
Suppressing queer sexuality to own the sex pests.
Nah there are way too many sex pests in the Western left so our spaces must be stripped of personal sexualization.
Problem I run into is a lot of leftist groups in the US try and throw FUN events to make the group more approachable and appealing to young people. Which is a fine recruitment tool, issue is you get a lot of young people doing fun stuff together, they're probably gonna end up being horny. People complain about the DSA being a "dating club" but if you host your recruiting event at the fucking Barcade I don't think you should be surprised when the 20-something try and fuck each other.
Idk maybe just don't be PUBLICLY horny
So those things are the same because they both fit into the same sentence structure of "Noun verb subordinating conjuncture subordinate clause."
I like to drink iced water hot coffee on a hot cold day. Hot and cold are the same temperature because drinking iced water sure does sound an awful like like drinking hot coffee. Horseshoe theory confirmed.
Missed that we both have ancient tomes we believe hold the answers to all worldly problems (capital / bible) but neither of us ever actually bother to read them
Imagine going on a website in order to look at a different website. What a group of freaks.
There's a lot to be said about socialism, as an ideology, functionally mimicing religion. It is both a way of both precieving the world and making moral judgements. A completely isolated socialist without any grounding theory would behave as described. But is that real Socialism? Is Seventh Day Adventism real Christianity?
what good is talking about the real (ideal) ideology? ideology is expressed by and through human action. it is itself a function of hegemonic liberalism that we believe ourselves to be totally formed anew just by adopting an ideological label.
The question "Is this real Socialism?" was rhetorical.
Point was that some socialists will act similarly to christian millenarians when under the same conditions as them.
wanting [Good Things] and disliking [Bad Things] is basically the same thing as Evangelical Christianity, you redfash tankie meanie-heads!
A worrying number of neoliberals are just fascist with the serial numbers filed off
They almost have a point when it comes to highly utopian Western leftists. Rather than embrace nihilism, left politics can offer another way to hope without a material grounding, buy of course this only works if the strain of leftism has been stripped of its material grounding.
You will actually see this pretty often among various idealist parties and orgs, even ones that claim to be Marxist but bamboozle themselves with naive electoralism or becoming detached from their communities or supporting all unions no matter how reactionary.
But once you actually have a material grounding, it's the exact opposite. Socialism provides a material goal and outlet and a project to work for in your own life and together to achieve revolution. Christian revivals are just the incoherent fusion of apocalyptic prophecy about how nothing but belief in Jesus matters and the United States' most reactionary political tendencies that emphasize that every marginalized group must be invalidated and crushed.
I feel like if I also did word substition I could make anyone sound like anyone else. I could probably make slavery abolitionists sound like they're naive and asking for utopia by using the same paragraph. Anything can sound like anything else if you change what words you're saying.
"I love drinking tea because it's warm" ok just change drinking tea to arson
i mean i agree. moralism is not particularly useful to the revolutionary. a politics which focuses almost totally on individual culpability, identifying it in others and reducing or downplaying one's own, is a dead end. neoliberalism already encourages this kind of individualist moralism in its subjects, why would those of us who call ourselves leftists automatically be free of it?
Ok, but I've definitely seen online leftists like that
serial numbers filed off
way to troll the vangies saying we're the ones who've evaded mark of the beast
Famously anti-organizing lefties who don't tell each other to touch grass all the time.
Hey lets do some incrementalism to be more pragmatic to appease the Dicks and Bushes we rolled out the red carpet for. Then when the fraction of a crumb doesn't do shit and the Republicans rightly call us out on it, we can cry about a Republican majority or how we just did that and it's non viable now so we won't mention it. We'll also shame and berate anyone who tries to "told you so us".
and that's the reason why everything sucks.
I too love to construct my worldview through word association.
I mean... eh? There's definitely a large community of people who just kinda post a lot about Leftism and then Fed-jacket anyone caught doing actual organizing. There's folks who try to do electoralism and completely fail at it, then fish around for this direct action stuff and come up empty, then just get burned out and go terminally online (I say, staring directly into a mirror).
There's a certain Waiting For Godot thing going on with lots of self-proclaimed Leftists, where we just kinda sit around and debate as the world passes by, and we try to figure out if we're actually getting any closer to Leftism without really doing anything (or grasping what it is that we can do). There's a lot of fantasizing and wish-casting about what a Revolution might look like, without any serious effort being applied. And there's a lot of real honest to fucking god revolutionary struggle taking place completely outside our sensory range, such that we're consumed by despair.
So... I sympathize with this sentiment, at least somewhat. There's definitely a certain "Second Coming"-esque attitude towards the idea of Revolution, because its only described to us in the moment of its apotheosis. You get to read about 1917 as a thing that happens all of a sudden, rather than a culmination of half a century of building pressure blowing the lid off in an unexpected place. You get to read about the fucking First Coming as a thing that happens one day in a manger, rather than the cumulative pressure of centuries of Roman imperialism in the Levant.
I don't think the guy's strictly wrong. He's just phrased it like an asshole.
I'm also on team "I don't think this was the right phrasing but the fundamental idea is essentially correct." Like, I really can picture myself on both sides of this argument. I think that having a genuine belief in a "destined eventuality" of a revolution is important to counter capitalist realism, and it's really only in the last year or so that I feel like I've fully transcended that doomerism and believe in the very depths of my heart that capitalism will indeed be overthrown just like how feudalism and the slave empires were. So I think it's heartening when people talk about a revolution as if it's something that very much could happen rather than being caught in spirals of doomerism and pessimism, even if that speculation is imperfect and even has some liberal brainworms writhing around in there.
I also think that believing that a mythical revolution will save us is, more than anything else, simply ahistorical. Things are going to get worse before they get better. A LOT worse. Even once "the revolution" is occurring. Even for a number of years after "the revolution" has officially been won. It'll all be so much worse that the 2020s will be looked upon with fond nostalgia and mythologized as the "pre-war" times where things were simple and happy. And, most importantly, I feel like this idea of "The Revolution" being something almost divinely created and bestowed upon us, rather than actively fought for with the death and sacrifice of thousands, perhaps even millions of people, leads to a big fracture with the idea of putting in effort towards The Revolution. How many Tumblr and Reddit radlibs are actively cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (and, god forbid, Iran - the object of so much scorn over the last few years due to all the "my people yearn to be free, let's overthrow the patriarchal and women-hating regime of Iran!" propaganda and color revolution attempts). I would bet that most of them are currently dejectedly commenting about how much the situation in Gaza sucks and how it's all doomed, while the Resistance continues its incredible fighting and is bringing Israel to its knees. The Resistance are working towards the revolution, but not The Revolution, and so they cannot be supported.
Oops I think I mentally ascribed a frame of bad faith and total rejection of communism in the Tumblr post that doesn't actually exist. Thank you for the reframe.
I agree that there's certainly something there. Like a sense that the project is so unbelievably overwhelming that it seems uncertain what action would even help, so people console themselves with waiting and bystanding.
The "everything short of my version of True Leftism is useless" part has a point, too. We'll critically support countries that aren't remotely leftist (Russia, Iran), but won't give an inch to American politicians who are anything short of Lenin. That applies to American politicians who have as much to do with imperialism as you or I, too.
I get where it comes from, but it's not internally consistent, which is bad on its own and also makes it harder to communicate these ideas to other people.