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Tankies are fascists, so this isn’t surprising.

Lol that is such stupid nonsense wtf 😂
- Found the tankie
Tankie is only ever used when the user doesn't want to say 'fascist' outright, for predictable reasons.
- wait til this guy learns about World War Two
- tankie means leftist i dont like
Tankies are not fascist, they are just willing to do whatever it takes to defend the socialist revolution.
- If you're willing to do "whatever it takes" including instituting fascism, you're a fascist.
- Tankies don't give a fuck about socialism.
- Tankies, just like other fascists, are willing to do whatever it takes to gain and keep power, including pretending to support socialism
- Such as justifying capitalist oligarchs that pretend to be socialists like Putin and Xi.
  Actually, Putin doesn't even pretend to be socialist. He's pretty unashamedly capitalist. Tankies love the guy anyway.
- If they're voting for Biden then why are they saying they won't vote for Biden and are encouraging others not to vote for Biden? 🤔
- If I was to give this point of the benefit of the doubt (which, to be clear, I don't) what you're saying is that tankies are accelerationists. And I get it, to an extent -- a comfortable middle class isn't going to be concerned about the depredations of the right until they start to find themselves in the crosshairs -- but the last time fascists got their way in the world, more than 73 million people died. Arguing, in effect, that the aftermath of another world war will be better for the survivors is a... challenging point to defend when it requires you to dismiss the deaths of a significant percentage of the world's population, especially when those most in danger from a rising right wing are those that a supposed left-winger should most want to protect. Sacrificing religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities on the altar of a better future for religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities doesn't sit well with me.
- You have a choice between 1) capitalism that's free for all, fuck the earth, fuck the workers, fuck the consumer, disband the EPA, OSHA, FTC, or 2) capitalism that's regulated, with environmental protection, worker protections, minimum wages, workplace standards, product regulations, etc. The choice should be obvious.
- project 2025 is not a socialist revolution
- Whatever it takes including sending tanks after people because they don't agree with your rule or am I missing something? Tankies is literally authoritarian or do you mean that your ideology is different and you want people to stop calling you that?
- Such as allying with the fascists so hard that Stalin was in talks to join the axis before Barbarossa.
- Lol, which is why historically they have coalitioned with the right to murder the socialists before the socialists could take power.
- Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
  Luke 23:34
To place Russian communism and Nazi-fascism on the same moral plane, in that both would be totalitarian, is superficial at best, fascism at worst. Whoever insists on this equation may well consider himself a democrat, in truth and in the bottom of his heart he is in fact already a fascist, and certainly only in a hypocritical and insincere way will he fight fascism, while reserving all his hatred for communism.
Thomas Mann
- NO U
  Stunning. Incredible take.
  Also they said fascism, not nazi-fascism. Tankies aren't nazis. They excuse completely different genocides than the holocaust.
- Russia is an oligarchy, not a communist state. Where have you been since the 1990s?
- They said tankies, not Russian communism.
  Everybody knows russian communism is marginally better than fascism, except those who survived it and fascistly say it's as bad.
- It's true because Thomas said it?
  Edit: Nice downvotes but I would actually like to know his reasoning.
- The real nazis were the friends we made along the way.
- Poignant, thanks.

powerful "leopards eating faces" energy from the tankies. I wish them luck with the anti-communist death squads outlined in project 2025

They're Tankies, their entire ideology is feline face eating based. Russia SO KNOWN for how well it treats minorities and LGBT people!
Tankie in 1956: Getting into your T-90 and driving across the Hungarian border to brutally suppress an uprising of (coughnationalcough) socialists protesting Soviet occupation
Tankie in 2024: Getting into your PSA Bronto and doing donuts in your neighborhood cul de sac blaring "Don't Vote for Joe Biden" out of a megaphone, until police show up and drag you off to prison for violating a noise ordinance.
- This is historically incorrect. The T-90 didn't enter service until 1992. They would have gotten into T-54/55s or T-44. Possibly even T-34s?
Wish the people emulating (knowingly or unknowingly) the ideology of Ernst Thälmann would look a little harder at how that worked out for both Germany and him.
- Wishing the people emulating (knowingly or unknowingly) the ideology of the SDP would look a little harder at how backing Hindenburg instead of Thälmann worked out for both Germany and them.
The thing is, i promised my mom and my history teacher id never vote for a genocider, so my hands are tied. If dems want to run someone who isnt the literal definition of evil, i wouldnt have to vote for trump. Its insane how dems love to use the lesser evil argument right up until theyre convincing us to vote for a genocider.
I thought tankies live in countries like China and Russia.
Can you define US tankies please?
They'll actually cheer on for those death squads. If they had their way, they would have their own death squads. Marxists are infamous for their tyranny, genocide, forced deportations, engineered famines, purges, labor camps, hate, and secret police death squads.
Marxism and fascism are sister ideologies because they ultimately want the same things but just from slightly different angles.
- Marxism: History is defined by material conditions and value comes from appropriated labour which workers are entitled to. Thus society should be oriented around collective ownership of the means of production in order to elevate the material conditions of the worker and usher in a new age of history. It is inevitable that the owning class will resort to violence to maintain their position and so this change will be a violent struggle. Eventually the state itself should be abolished once the transition is complete. Also this is inevitable because umm science wand wave.
  Fascism: Power should be centralised on strong men wiling to make hard choices, everyone else should live subservient to the state. Military power, an ethnonational identity, and autarchy are the highest pursuits. Concession and concensus are weakness, might is the ultimate expression of power and violence for the glory of the nation is beautiful. Modernity is degenerate and we should idolise a mythologised past based around an ethnic group we claim the mantle of.
  SleezyDizasta: Could these be the same? 🧐
- I'm not sure you know what Marxism or Fascism are... I think you just think everyone who doesn't think like you is pure evil.
And where will you be? Standing on the sidelines letting it happen, or will you be the one to pull the trigger?
- probably getting shot for not wearing enough religious flair. Any half decent strategist knows you only choose the quick path when you have overwhelming power.
- Countries that aren't the US of A exist.
- I would encourage Fascists and Marxist to destroy each other so the world can finally be free of these two parasitic ideologies.

Not that meme is wrong, but the account that posted that comment is 3 days old and is clearly a troll.

There are a bunch of regular posters here that think the exact same way.
- You can see by the 85% like ratio on this post that 15% of this community thinks this way.
We need a new name for Russian state sponsored spam other than "troll", which should be restored to the original status as a perpetually online nerd who enjoys starting arguments.
- I call trump supporters Redcaps after the especially blood thirsty kind of Goblin
  What's a similarly degrading fantasy creature that's known for being a mindless parrot of whatever is said to it by its master? Or would that fit the people who fall for the state trolls better?
- Most trolls are state sponsored narrative promoting spam now so the perpetually online nerd who like starting arguments should get a new name.
  How about artyom?
I mean as if these people aren't all just trolls to some extent.
It takes either great malice, great idiocy, or a great and terrible combination of the two to be a supporter of this shit.
So how have we established this is even a 'Tankie' to begin with?

Is "Tankies" a new term? I've never heard it before a week or two ago.

It's decades old. Refers to people who support communist regimes regardless of what they do. Originally because the Soviet Union used tanks to quell rebellion and some people in the west still cheered for them.
- I believe it was coined by the British left when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution by driving tanks through their streets. Anyone still in support of them is deemed a "tankie." Nowadays it was meant to criticize authoritarian communists.
- Was it from the Soviet Union? I always assumed it was a reference to justifying Tianamen Square.
  I guess that more you know.
you being funny? It's 68 years old this autumn.
- I apologize I only up to 's' in my quest to memoriz3 every fucking word ever used in the English language. 🙄 The fuckin word, "meme" is like a million years old. It doesn't mean it was as regularly used in conversation before social media.
I've seen it a lot more often after joining lemmy
- That is because you joined a social media platform made by socialists.
I started to see the term around the time of the Russian invasion of ukraine
Is that when you joined Lemmy? Because Lemmy is infested with Tankies, and you'll hear someone calling them out before long
edit: Spelling Errors
- No, but considering Lemmy overall has grown 5800% in active monthly users in the first month the Reddit protests began, it's safe to assume most people haven't been here much longer than that lol. How long have you b3en using Lemy? 20 years? 50 years? Lol /s
The current use of it to mean "people I disagree with" is.
- Lmao

Has anyone else noticed that a shit ton of .ml bots have been very active here over the last day or so? These accounts aren’t new. But they also haven’t been active in these communities.

Harris may replace Biden and they have to try to get people predisposed to not voting for Harris either.
Its really funny too because they think saying "Tankie just means people I dont agree with" doesnt immediately out them as a Tankie trying to muddy the waters. Thanks for letting me know you're actually a hexbear!
Reminds me of when Hexbear would flood into any political discussion to sow discord and chaos.
- Sew it into what?

!nonvoters@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Go to nonvoters
See votes on comments and submissions
- Now I kinda want to start a community called c/illiterate or c/incommunicado 😄
Love the idea of the community. It hurts my brain if I stare at it too long, but in a good way.
- One of the awesome things about a community like this is that when tankies post their unironic takes, we can just pretend to agree with them and make them look like fools.

The rise of MAGA communism has so much weird meme magic. It's surreal.

I even saw the original comment. Can't remember where though.

Horseshoe theory proven right yet again

Y'all don't even know what tankies are anymore.

Just mention the Red Terror

Should work as repellent for tankies and russian specific trolls

For country specific trolls you need to mention something that is censored locally there that the trolls are afraid of their supervisor seeing which leads for some people mentioning massacres like "Red Terror" or "Tiannamen Square" and that is the reasoning behind it

Tankies will just that those who suffered or died deserved it.

Que all liberals on lemmy.world falling over each other to prove they don't actually have a clue what a tankie even is...

*Cue
- My mind is kinda blown by this. I always thought it was "queue", so "queue all liberals saying such and such" would be like "all liberals are going to line up to say such and such", but cue works!
- I consider myself corrected, smartypants.

This place is fucking illiterate

Maybe privileged white kids need to stop pitching a fit whenever they ignore the chance the party is practically handing to them every time a primary is held?
AOC is in congress right now because of how easy it is to KO party leadership with overwhelming turnout, and yet whenever I go to cast my primary ballot for progressives all I be seein' is senior day at the community center.
You don't get to have better things to do on primary day and then pitch fits about who everyone that did voted for.
- Where the fuck did you pull that race card from? Your ass?
Thank you for revealing that you are a troll so I can block you
That's what primaries are for
For the next election maybe. It's too late for this one.

Since when has the American main stream media been tankies? Sounds like you’re doing everything you can to cope. But keep banging the drum of “he isn’t Trump”. It will surely work.

Right?

That’s enough to save America?

Those are your words. You better be right.

Since when has the American main stream media been tankies?
American main stream media has stated that they will not vote for Biden? Is American main stream media in the room with us right now? Can you point him out?
Those are your words.
When and where did I say them?
- Are you really trying to act like mainstream media isn’t scared shitless right now of Biden’s presidential run? Are you blind or just trying to stay ignorant on purpose?

yeah, let‘s not fall for this tankie narrative. It doesn‘t exist.

yeah, let‘s not fall for this tankie narrative. It doesn‘t exist.
But it's intellectually SO MUCH easier!

I mean, you can even see them self-identifying as tankies in this very thread. But okay.

Biden perhaps shouldn't have enabled a genocide, just saying.

Also the correct term is Arab Americans

How Arab American voters' backlash could imperil Biden's 2024 campaign

In Michigan, for example, Biden won in 2020 by 154,000 votes. Census estimates put the state's Arab American population around at least 278,000.
Biden won Arizona by 10,500 votes. The Arab American population in the Grand Canyon State is estimated to be 60,000.
Biden took Georgia by 11,800 votes. The Arab American population there is at least 57,000.

Inside Biden’s Broken Relationship With Muslim and Arab American Leaders

Biden losing Arab-American voters in swing state

‘The man broke my heart’: Biden’s Arab-American boosters begin to leave his side

The fact that liberals would rather strawperson Arab and Muslim Americans and anyone else repulsed by the genocide than acknowledge the reality and try to stop it is hard to understand beyond it being based in racism and chauvinism. What group of people would vote for the person enabling their own genocide?

Edit: While Marxist-Leninists, i.e. Tankies, do exist in the US they never constituted a significant voting bloc that can sway elections, they always opposed the Democratic Party even before the genocide. Minorities such as Arab Americans -mostly Christian- and Muslim Americans do constitute a significant voting bloc that can sway elections and they used to be a consistent voter base for the Democratic Party in past elections.

An overlooked and undercounted group of Arab American and Muslim voters may have outsized impact on 2024 presidential election

In Michigan, Muslim and Arab American Voters Reconsider Support for Biden

The dismissive racism and genocide apologia by liberals is going to cost you Arab and Muslim Americans for more than one election cycle. I wish you had some self awareness and empathy to realize it.

Final Note: This is not meant to elicit debate and I don't need an explanation on how elections work in the US or why the US will support Israel no matter what it does regardless of who is president. I am just sharing another side of the story that seem to be purposefully ignored.

I cited agreeable news source and articles and yet this comment is getting downvoted. I guess liberals would rather invent a strawperson they can easily take down than acknowledge they are losing among minorities in swing states.

Just look at the number of voters considering third party candidates:

Exclusive poll: Black voters aren't thrilled with Biden but dislike Trump more

Let me change around your words and then shame you for the new position I created for you. Oh, and don't bother debating me, I'm only interested in the sound of my own voice
Look, Im trans. If he loses, Im the one getting genocided. Its perhaps a mirthless disposition, but I am absolutely willing to put off Palestine so I dont get shot, and probably so you dont get deported tol btw
- I'm simply stating the facts as they are, it is not my fault that the Democratic Party lost Arab and Muslim American voters.
  but I am absolutely willing to put off Palestine
  How would this argument win over Arab and Muslim Americans? You are basically saying: "I don't care if you get genocided but you have to care about me". On the upside as the polls show, Trump is even more unpopular than Biden so you can't blame us if Trump wins, blame those who voted for him.
  so I dont get shot
  Arab and Muslim Americans are already getting shot. My personal recommendation is start exercising your 2nd amendment rights:
  so you dont get deported
  So be it but only if Darrell Issa is deported first

You know how Putin retains his power? He didnt convice the population that he is the best. He conviced them that it does not matter.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/22/putin-disinformation-apathy-00018974

Tankies, famous for their... opposition to genocide?

Also, is "Everyone I disagree with is a Tankie" the mid-Left's new "Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi?"

No, they are perfectly okay with genocide. As long as Papa Putin and and Winnie the Pooh Bear the ones doing it.
If Tankies oppose genocide, they have a funny way of showing it with their support of the CCP.
- And of the candidate who almost certainly will bring some degree of Genocide to the US while also intensifying it in Ukraine and Gaza.
Tankies, famous for their… opposition to genocide?
Famous for using real issues to push shitty accelerationist solutions.
- One thing that doesn’t make sense, as if there were only one, is how societal collapse will somehow lead to communism. If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries. The Great Depression would be a hopeful outlook. Rarely do I have the chance to say that I sincerely don’t want to eat people to survive.
It’s always easier to be the hero of the story when you reject reality and substitute your own in its place. The only problem with this is that everyone else still lives in the reality you rejected.
And they think you look foolish.
Also, is “Everyone I disagree with is a Tankie” the mid-Left’s new “Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi?”
I mean, it's not like there aren't Tankies. Surely if you've run across them if you've been on Lemmy over a year.
You literally just quoted a kvetch the fascists came up with to deflect accusations that they're fascists by appealing to centrist sensibilities about keeping debates open.
You of all people should frankly be fucking ashamed to be openly using Nazi rhetoric to try and defend the indefensible.
We're currently in harm reduction mode. We have been since the DNC picked Hilary over Bernie and then lost the election to Trump. We need to rally around the "not Trump" guy so we can keep Democracy going. Will it be rainbows and puppy dogs under Biden? No, it's going to be keeping the status quo and not losing an extra 2% of our population to another pandemic or worse under Trump.
- doesn't address literally any of my comment lol. i cant conclude anything but you meant that reply for someone else. boy, you sure got egg on ur face L.M.A.O.
Try again ppboy.
Judging from the hugbox of this “mutual admiration society,” it does appear to be the new epithet.

Isn't it liberals handing the election to Trump by pretending like Biden has a chance and refusing to push forward a new candidate? Oh wait I forgot Liberals are fascist we just haven't scratched them yet 🖕

Neat how a far right ideology is being championed by the left...oh wait it's not
Let me just snap my fingers and swap out the candidate. Genius!
- Do you think Biden should drop out and be replaced by a Dem who could do better in the polls? I'm not pretending you have any power I'm sure someone as feckless as you doesn't. But you're the type to insist that he should stay in the race despite losing in the polls right?
- Thanks 🙂
Yes... But they'll still blame the left... They know the only way to beat Trump is for the center and left to team up, but instead of actually trying to team up, they're just running their usual strongarm and gaslight routine to get the left to fall inline... Which has never worked for them the way it works for the right
Marxism and Fascism are sister ideologies that are similar in both theory and in practice. This moronic idea that Fascism is the polar opposite of Marxism is literally Soviet propaganda that they pushed after WWII to justify their tyranny, massacres, and censorship. Which is ironic because this what they accuse the Fascists of doing. It becomes more ironic that the Soviets and the Nazis were quite literally allies who signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact where they agreed to non aggression, greater cooperation, and to invade and divide countries together.
Marxists are Fascists are two sides of the same evil coin. Liberalism is the polar opposite to both of these shitty ideologies. You're not the good guys.
- Congratulations you said the dumbest thing I've seen all day!
  Are you going to ignore how Hitler first killed the Socialist have you ever heard that poem that has the line when they came for the Jews I said nothing for I was not a Jew and when they came for me there was no one else left go reread that poem and tell me who the first people they took where?
  Hitler used to refer to socialism as Jewish bolshivism. Do you know the Nazis killed more Soviet soldiers than any other country soldiers and that Soviets killed more Nazis than any other country killed Nazis.
  Both my grandfathers were American soldiers during World War II one of them went to prisoner of Work Camp in Nazi Germany do you want to know who Freedom the f****** Soviets.
  Do you know what country marched on Berlin and ended Nazi Germany?
  You're fucking ignorant. Horseshoe theory is propaganda the US came up with during the Cold War. Read a book
Isn’t it liberals handing the election to Trump by pretending like Biden has a chance
Liberals refused to run a candidate against Biden during the primary and called anyone bold enough to step into the ring a Russian plant. Now Biden's sunk under 40% public approval, donors are backing out of the campaign, and the news media is turning on him like a pack of starved piranhas. And this is also because of those damned Russians undermining his campaign. The SCOTUS is greenlighting an endless catalog of future atrocities, while Trump revs up an ultra-nationalist partisan revolt, and that's thanks to Russia, too. Republicans are putting out all sorts of slimy ads on social media and their own right-wing networks, which are another example of Russian infiltration. And if Biden can't close the deal in November, because a state fucks up its counting before the SCOTUS shuts the recount down, you know that's going to be blamed on the Russians.
So, really, this isn't anything the liberals did. Its not even something the conservatives did. Everything bad happening in America right now is because of Russians. Also, the Chinese.