Disapproval of Elon Musk is top reason Tesla owners are selling, survey says
Disapproval of Elon Musk is top reason Tesla owners are selling, survey says
The disapproval of Elon Musk is the top reason Tesla Model 3 owners are selling their electric vehicles and going for another brand, according to a new survey of 5,000 Model 3 owners.
If I already had a Tesla I don't know that I'd sell it because of him, but he was one of the major factors in me not even considering them when I was shopping for my EV. The other reasons being shoddy quality control, shitty practices, and dumb design decisions. All of which probably stem from him anyway.
I'd be looking to sell it, specifically because of him.
The willingness for him to make executive decisions to fuck people using his platforms is what frightens me. He'll cut starlink for people he doesn't like. He'll snipe twitter accounts of people he doesn't like.
Since Teslas can be remotely force fed new updates, I genuinely believe it's just a matter of time before he starts fucking with peoples cars. I expect as a way to use Tesla owners as pawns to apply political pressure in areas w/ high ownership that enact tax policy he doesn't like.
My friends already sold their Teslas a few months ago.
It was such a wild ride watching them go, "Surely he's not serious" to "I'm embarrassed to drive this".
I wouldn't doubt he'd try that, but if he did he'd be in for a world of hurt since people need their cars to get to work. I imagine the government wouldn't take kindly to people's 5 digit dollar purchased not working on the whims of a crazy billionaire.
Yeah, if my car was beyond repair tomorrow and I needed a new one, I'd be getting either a Hyundai Ioniq 6 or a Silverado EV. A few years ago, I would've been leaning toward the Model 3.
I really want a bolt euv but I’m put off by them cancelling and then uncancelling it. I’m worried what will happen when they stop making the car (and therefore parts for it) a year or two after I bought it…
Hyundai Ioniq 6
Please don't buy that one due to significant safety concerns with the i-pedal driving mode feature https://youtu.be/U0YW7x9U5TQ
Same. I had to get a new car recently. Prices were crazy and I wish I had gone with a new instead of a used. But Tesla was off the list from the beginning. I figured I'd wait one more car to get electric. Should be in a new place by then where I can install a home charger too, and the prices will probably be drastically lower by the time my current car dies again.
teslas were cool when they were the only practical electric cars, especially sports cars. but that's no longer true and it's becoming less so every year. may as well get a mach-e or a ioniq and ditch muskyboy
its funny how selling a car brand as “eco” friendly backfires when you’re a fascist cunt
Tesla never really had a brand besides being "Elon Musk's electric car company", and now as it turns out it's way easier for car companies to add tech into their cars than for a tech company to learn to build good cars.
I will probably buy an EV in the next year but I have zero interest in a Tesla. Musk is the reason.
Yeah I think this is a bigger risk for Tesla than current owners selling.
I'm not in the market for a car right now but there's a decent chance that the next one I buy will be an EV. Up until maybe 2 years ago I'd have said a Tesla would have been top of the list for options. I don't really feel that way anymore, and Musks instability is the primary reason.
I think his antics will have a snowball effect on future sales.
Teslas just don't drive better than any other EV. Yes, the first time i got in a tesla i was floored, but it was also the first time i ever sat in any EV. After seeing a handful of other EVs, i now realize tesla isn't anything special at all, all the EVs have that smooth electric motor feel.
They're going to be a medium sized car maker, like mercedes or bmw. They have no chance at selling more cars than toyota or gm to justify the insane market cap.
Let me add the fact quality control/build quality is absolutely awful to your list
I'm going to wait and see if Toyota's alleged 1450km/900mi solid state battery is real. It is rare for Toyota to tell the public what they're working on until it's ready to roll. This could be a ploy to lower sales of competitors, but if Toyota isn't telling the truth, it will bite them. I'd love a small EV with that kind of insane range and the ability to use autonomous driving on interstates
The only car that has kind of real automation for interstates is the Mercedes EQS/S Class, as far as i know. I would think it will take some years until the tech gets into smaller vehicles. And it also seems very expensive to get this certification for Level 3, so i would assume it will be 5-8 years before we get this in smaller vehicles.
All Elon had to do was stick to the rockets and cars!
But no, he has to go pick fights with random people online and espouse stupid talking points. It’s like a masterclass in killing your personal brand.
Pleased to see this meme format returning
I think it's more about how those types of buyers view the manufacturers reliability long term. The man is unhinged and has proven with Twitter that if given the chance he will willingly fuck over users. Imagine giving a bully the ability to limit your driving range or disabling your vehicle on a whim because he decides he doesn't like you or what your local govt says.
Not saying he would do it but he has proven repeatedly to be unstable enough to believe he could escape punishment for doing it.
Imagine giving a bully the ability to limit your driving range or disabling your vehicle on a whim because he decides he doesn't like you
He cancelled a reporter's Tesla Model X pre-order because he criticized Tesla on late deliveries on pre-orders.
Really emphasizes how vital "right to repair" is. If a Tesla didn't have proprietary software and centralized control over its cars it wouldn't matter how irrational Musk was. But Tesla owners have to trust Tesla to maintain both the hardware and software in their cars, which means buying a Tesla is a long-term commited relationship with that company. And same with Ford, GMC, every car company whose software is a black box - if you can't repair your own vehicle, you have to trust the management of the car company won't screw you over for fun and profit.
I really need to get into car hacking
I read that someone had upgraded their P60 to a P90 by getting a new battery, all official and from Tesla and months later they updated his firmware and locked out the extra 30Kwh because it wasn't the stock battery.
It's shit like that that keeps me from owning anything Elon related.
Apple enters the chat
I aspired to own a Tesla before musk started showing his colours now I would find it embarrassing
Same, but after seeing the quality of everything else besides the software, no thanks. The electronics and infotainment seem to be the only thing they made well. Put that in a Honda or Toyota and I'd be happy.
Yeah, I remember I had a point in time where a Tesla would have been my dream car. But now, lol, naaaawwww.
I used to want a Tesla... Now I don't. That's 60% Elon and 40% their poor build quality.
The second percentage should be higher. It's not, though. Elon is a very hateable person due to his low IQ, and astronomically high level of arrogance.
I honestly couldn't understand how people had any praise for him in years past. He always came across as (yet another) embarrassing forever teenager, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and little sympathy for or understanding of others.
This is in vast contrast to Bill Gates who (despite my loathing of Microsoft's business practices, especially in the 90's and early 00's) continued to grow and earned some respect with his philanthropic endeavours and just generally acting like an educated adult.
Still, I'd rather have fewer rich jetsetters and more competent Governments and international institutions, effectively working to better mankind.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt, although there was certainly doubt, until the "pedo guy" thing. Then I realized he was just a manchild. And, of course, he used his high-priced lawyers to get out of that obvious slander in court.
Same for me. Was saving for a Tesla, but now I'll go with a different brand. For me, it's 75% Elon and 25% that I'm just starting to prefer what other EV makers are putting on the market.
Its just been few months if not years , that elon had an image of real life iron man and what not ! 😂
Well, that's not actually true for everyone. I've been talking about this guy being a douchebag for years. I have a relative that told me three years ago that I was just jealous of his success.
I really want to talk to that guy again now... Maybe the next reunion, haha.
As much as I hate Elon, the poor quality would be like 90% reason. I prefer being alive more than I hate Elon by a huge margin.
Your post does not contain enough edgy for him to read or notice it. Have you considered what Neo would say in the Matrix?
I’m sure the anti-woke crowd he is pandering to is going to jump in and buy up all the teslas
I think the Ford electric truck is selling like crazy to that demographic; if you really need low end torque suddenly an electric motor is tolerable.
Lmao my dad never shuts the fuck up about electric cars now he wants an electric car because Elon became a right wing god.
They've barely built about 20K of them so far. Demand outstrips supply, yes, but it's a low bar.
They're not selling here. There's a huge off-roading community here and nobody wants to risk getting stuck 300km into a logging trail.
I think the demographic may not be the correct financially. Though that might be more funny, a bunch of people buying out of spite and then defaulting.
Elon musk didn't really think about how people who buy electric cars and the anti-woke is two non-connected circles on a Venn diagram.
My partner needed to buy a new vehicle. A Tesla Model was easily in budget. But they opted not to buy one because they want zero affiliation with Musk or any connotations that they may endorse his behavior by owning one of his products.
FWIW, they're also terribly made cars that keep poorly.
Anecdotally I have to disagree.
I really enjoy our Model 3 and Model Y. After renting an ID.4 for a week in Norway I find that the Tesla setup is a lot more "no nonsense" than other OEMs.
For example the ID.4 has many "safety" features that help center the car in the land if it detects that you are leaving the road. In Norway that have very narrow roads and you often have to pull over to the shoulder (far past the lane edge) to let a car pass.
To turn those settings off in an ID.4 I had to dig through a menu and disable them every time I get into the car. Every. Time.
Tesla's UI experience is much more like a smart phone with persistence like one would expect. Like or hate the form factor, the infotainment on Tesla's are done about as well as you can with a giant touch screen in my opinion.
I really fucking loath Musk these days though and wish he would be ousted from Tesla.
Oh no doubt that was also a big factor, but even if they were well built high quality cars, it would still be a non-starter as long as Elno has anything to do with the company.
Decades of traditional automakers sabotaging the whole concept of EVs should make them the bad guys when it comes to EVs.
Elon has managed to make them the good guys.
That's the risk when your brand is a "status symbol" and the company is closely linked with your personality.
Steve Jobs knew how to do this well. Elon is no Steve Jobs...
Imagine Steve Jobs taking to Twitter calling all doctors pedos for trying to fix cancer with chemotherapy instead of fructose syrup.
Funny that you mention the fructose as Jobs died from treating his cancer "..with a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbs, bowel cleansings, and other remedies that he found online. At one point, he even reached out to a psychic."
At the Trader Joe's, it used to be 20% Teslas but now it's like 1 or 2.
Leased a tesla MS in 2017 because I knew 250mile battery was not going to be the max in 2020 and guessed 350mile was possible (i was right). Right around then Elon came out as a conspiracy twat, so I was more than happy to turn my car in when he went full right wing twat.
3 years on, I’m the proud owner of an ebike with a few thousand miles on it, created by a company not owned by a twat. My insurance is $50 a month and my uber rides fall far below anything I spent monthly on my insurance and lease payment ($1300 or so). Helps to work from home and live 5 miles from most places I need to go to or from the public transit.
Honestly, had he kept his insane ideas to himself I might still own that car or it’s newer version. I do miss it, but I just can’t support people like that. Also, 3 years on I don’t miss the car payments…
... What kind of ebike do you recommend?
Really happy with the Rad Power Plus series. reasonably priced, 1000 miles and counting on the motor and battery. They seem to be getting a little hate of late for their customer service, but I have a local shop so I don’t see these issues.
This is the way! If you really care about the environment!
Also shout-out to NotJustBikes on YouTube.
Awesome that you've switched to cycling, it's crazy how expensive your insurance is though!
I just got a quote for my ebike, it's only £60/year!
In the UK plenty of cars cost less than £300/year to insure...
Yeah, Europe and UK seem to be cheaper for those things. While I was in Rome I paid €40 for the year, but stayed 2 months. At one time we could get insurance for our petrol car at $59 a month with minimal coverage, now it’s twice that.
That $50 is not all for the bike, I added supplemental coverage to pay for US healthcare in the event of an accident. I have full theft and damage, plus a balloon policy that pays out for medical, accidental death (for2 people). I think it was $120 for just the year on just e-bike, but an accident could cause my heath insurance to not cover due to it being a vehicle in motion accident.
Funny but when I see a Tesla, I now judge the owner. Never used to care one way or another but.
Yep, I just think "pretentious wanker" whenever I see one.
I bought my Model 3 Performance in 2021 because it ticked the boxes: fast, electric, and simple. After driving one for two years, I would probably still buy one again, but the association with Musk is a strong negative for sure...
They quickly took the crown of biggest douche on the road from the BMW drivers.
Ngl, I wouldn't be caught dead with a Tesla these days.
As someone who wanted a Tesla for years I agree. But idk what other electric car I would get
My father in law is someone who has a long history of driving luxury cars. He recently (a couple years ago) switched to a Chevy Volt as his primary vehicle and loves it.
I know someone with a Chevy spark. They seem to really love it. I was looking at the F150 lightning but it's way out of my price range.
Rivian R1S for a high quality luxury vehicle!
Mustang Mach-E. Ford is seeing what Tesla is doing and copying the good bits, doing constant over the air updates, keeping quality good (not perfect, mind you) and the car itself is absolutely gorgeous. Blue cruise is not bad, expensive though now. You will probably have a shitty dealer experience but dealers are shitty. Ford really wants to do away with them and is trying to figure out how, last I heard.
If you want cheaper the Bolt EV or EUV. The pricing on the Bolt is good, and you wouldn't be going wrong by getting the current version. Chevy was going to ax the Bolt but instead they are redesigning the battery for a new edition. Everyone thinks its going to be just the EUV going forward since the EUV is like 4 inches bigger and most of it is the same. Chevy is going to put in a better battery that has faster charging times as well, if the rumors are true.
So you can't go wrong with either of those two. The main thing is that car companies are turning into (and have been for a while even prior to EVs) software companies. You have to go with who you think will do the best overall with good and bad and then pair it with the EV that suits you.
That being said despite how much I love the looks of the IONIQ 5 and the EV6, Kia and Hyundai have some work to do. VW is safe. They are Electrify America after all, for what good that is.
Most of the large manufacturers make at least one. The less expensive ones tend to just be gas cars with electric motors swapped in. Cars that were designed to be electric generally have less compromise and more refinement. If I got an electric car today it would be an egolf, the range isn't the best but that's the only downside I've really seen.
I think most of the traditional manufacturers have pretty decent offerings now. Prices are still a bit high compared to the equivalent petrol car, but that's only a matter of time given all the bans coming
If you're in the US:
On the lower end, try Volkswagen, Chevy and Ford. For higher end, check bmw, audi, and volvo.
Honda and Toyota are doing amazing at hybrids and plug in hybrids, but are behind on EVs. Hyundai, Kia, and Nissan in the US have bad build quality imo and their vehicles depreciate quickly.
I'm holding out for the Jeep Recon.
Hyundai and Kia have some great models
Since the seeing ordeal someone went through here in Canada and his Telsa, I wouldn't own one if given to me.
Water condensation dripping from the AC compressor on top of the batteries is just bad design and lack of foresight.
Transport Canada said that was awful and the reason for his faulty battery/batteries and Teslsa still said, nah you on your own.
Forget that noise.
I love my Tesla, but I don't think my next car will be one because of Musk and what he's done to the brand. Really disappointing that he's put the same people who've coal rolled and iced chargers instead of his loyal, reservation making, early adopting FSD clients like me. I'm watching the expanding market with excitement as other companies are rolling out vehicles with nicer features and comparable pricetags than current Teslas.
This is as close as it comes to my opinion on the subject.
I have an S. 7 years, 80k miles. I like the car, I really do. Even after all this time. I still get free supercharging, which is great when I travel out of the area, which I do not infrequently.
I'm not embarrassed by it, despite Elon's dive into Coco Puffs Crazyland. When I got it, there was nothing else like it on the market.
Selling it now would be like buying a case of Bud just so I could shoot at it. Or burning my Nikes out of spite. I paid good money and it was worth every cent.
With that being said, between Elon's dementia and all the complaints I hear about build quality in the other mods, my next car, whenever I go buy it, won't be a Tesla. There's competition now and they are catching up fast....and I don't think the Cybertruck is going to save them.
For Tesla, it's a bad time for the cult of personality to fall apart as more electric car competition comes out every year.
The guy actually never had a good personality even. They had to train him for TV evening shows to even make it work...
I was an early tesla fanboy and always wanted one, I finally have my finances in a place where a new car isn't an awful decision and went with the ID4 just so I didn't have to deal with that guy in any way shape or form.
I think my next car may end up being a F150 lightning. It'll be probably 7-8 years (just got a car recently), and by then I'm hoping the pricing has stabilized.
I love that it's basically just a proven truck design that's also electric. They've been refining the form of the truck for the better part of a century. No need to ignore all that experience.
We need electric vehicles that aren't a "lifestyle choice" if we want mass adoption.
yeah, everything is specific to use case, but there's no real change in behavior with most of the new evs - probably the biggest barrier is city/apartment living with charging infrastructure being dogshit. If you have a garage, or dedicated parking, it's a no brainer at this point.
How're you liking the ID4? That and the ioniq5 are looking pretty good ATM... Though I wish the Honda E or ID3 was sold in the US...
It's great. The touchscreen software isn't great and there's a few annoying interface things, but it's great otherwise. Great to drive, tight turning radius, great pickup, efficient on the highway, no real complaints. The ioniq five was my other choice also, but I leased, and they didn't pass the tax rebate back to the customer when leasing, so I went with the id4
His last name is being used as a verb now from what I'm hearing
Its when you are delusionally confidet and try to do something but you mess it up so bad that it would have been better if you did NOTHING!
Friend 1: I'm the best cook ever! I'll make you the best meal!
Friend 1: Burns box mac and cheese
Friend 2: "You really Musked that up!"
Thanks for the laugh, I'll have to remember that.
He's the reason I didn't even entertain the thought of buying a Tesla when I was in the market for an EV. I ended up buying a Kia EV6
How is it?
I got one this year and really love it - the drive is quite peppy, range is much better than advertised, and it's a comfortable car. There are a few minor downsides, such as I've encountered a few glitches along the way (occasionally the driver side mirror won't go back to the normal position automatically after backing up), but these seem to be pretty minimal and are getting fixed with software updates.
We got one. it's absolutely awesome. My only complaints are the automatic seat changes not occurring until after I'm wedged into my short wife's seat and select myself as the driver, and the soft button selection that controls both radio and AC. The number of times I've frozen my butt off instead of turning down the volume is too high.
Other than that, it's fast, very spacious backseat, great amenities (cooling/heated front and heated back), and has great range, and rapid recharge capabilities (20->80% in 18 minutes with a fast charger). We call it the spaceship.
I'll echo the other replies. I'm really enjoying it.
I was going to buy the GT just because it's dumb but come to find out you miss out on some features of the "lesser" models, as well as losing a decent amount of range. You can't get power or cooled front seats and its estimated range is down to ~200 miles.
I ended up with the AWD GT-Line which is still pretty quick but has 50+ miles of range over the GT as well as the power/cooled front seats.
Like @geogle said, the climate/radio screen is weird but I got used to it pretty quickly. The one thing that bugs me the most is the skip forward/backwards buttons for music or podcasts are (what I think) backwards. They are up/down arrows and the down arrow skips forward and the up arrow skips backwards.
The only other thing I'm somewhat annoyed by is the lack of wireless car play/android auto. You can buy an adapter but it feels silly they wouldn't have included it on a 2023 $60k vehicle
That come with manufacturing defects from factory as well?
The vehicles are decent, the service is terminally putrid. Bad alignment from the factory ruined $5k in tires, Tesla offered me $500 off the cost of replacement.
I took it in for another issue, and when I told the tech about how the car burned through the inside edge of the tires on the car, he said "Yeah, they do that." and followed it with a recommendation that I get wheel alignments TWICE A YEAR.
I work in the rim and tire industry. We have anywhere between 10-14 installs a week (just tires or tire and rim packages etc) we deal with a LOT of Tesla's. They ALL do this. Alignments barely help, they are heavy cars with very poor suspension geometry. I know for the model S there was an aftermarket company that made a kit to fix the excessive camber in the rear to alleviate the tire wear issue but I'm not too sure on other models. I see and work on at least 3 Tesla's a week, seeing what I've seen, even if someone offered me one for free. I would trade it for another EV.
My understanding is they're actually really nice. They just spy on you and nickle and dime you to get you to buy extra features.
They just spy on you and nickle and dime you to get you to buy extra features.
Those are among the things that fit with my definition of "pile of shit"
The top end Tesla loses blow for blow in all bit range (nominally) and charger availability (which is changing) to Porsche..... for $4,000 more.
Oh and the Porsche's frame was formally an ICE so it's a tried and tested frame that's received multiple iterations to hone the design.
Tesla's would be nice if they were priced $15k cheaper..... and they'd still be piles of shit that spy on you.
Maybe Teslas will come with disguise kits, where you can switch the Tesla logo with a different brand. Just like Twitter created the option to hide the Twitter blue checkmark...
That's a brilliant business model.
A body shop that converts Teslas to look like mustang mach-Es.
Isn’t it also the fact that everything he touches explodes and ends up being an unsafe product? I’d rather buy any other brand before buying Tesla, even regardless of his extremely unlikable personality and dumbass choices.
Yes. He had the Mierdas touch.
🤣 🤣 🤣
i wouldn't buy a pack of cigarettes from that wannabe supervillain
They totally selected the most punchable face photo of his.
You say that as if there are face shots of him that aren't extremely punchable
Yah, I had to laugh at that statement. I think the media folks go out of their way to find the punchable-face pics too as all of them seem to fit that bill.
I took an Uber for the first time on Friday, which was also my first time in a Tesla. It didn't seem very comfortable. The driver also didn't signal very often.
Same experience. I find their suspension a bit on the hard side, which makes it uncomfortable on bumpy roads.
Battery heavy
That's because it's cheap components. When you're buying a Tesla you're compromising on nearly every aspect of comfort, quality and premium finishes for more "posted" range and to pretend like you have FSD.
This will become dead obvious when the cyber truck rolls off the line. It'll be mid the 2000s Hummer H2/ Pontiac Aztec of this generation.
The driver also didn’t signal very often.
He was conserving the battery, duh. Can't be running the indicators all day.
Everyone is realising what Phoney Stark really is.
Tony Stark was a POS
So it's fitting
That & build quality.
Teslas have horrible build quality.
Said it before. Great cars sadly built in America. Chinese and European ones have no issues.
We are hearing horrible things about the Teslas manufactured in Germany from the people working there. Employees leave that place in droves, not only because of the abysmal way they are treated, but also because of the awful quality they are forced to produce there. The question is not where it’s produced, it is the company.
Here's to hoping the Chinese evs come to the usa when the tax incentives end for us car companies. Otherwise I'm leaning to hyundai if that doesn't mature.
When the cybertruck was first announced I was interested solely due to how unique it was, and for taking it out into the wilderness for camping with a giant battery. Now, I won't even consider even owning anything with the Tesla name. No way in hell.
The thing is so ugly tho, I just can't get behind it. Well, I mean, Elon is a large reason now, but even before that.
Id anyone thinks Elon isnt an unfunny loser go watch his SNL episode again and be reminded.
Yeah, I get the point that Elon isn't Tesla, etc. At the same time, at least for some owners, owning a Tesla isn't just about just owning an EV, it's about virtue signalling. And having the Tesla brand linked to Elon means that it's harder to do this.
it's about virtue signalling.
"I have money and want to spend it on the world's most recalled car, let alone EV. I'm doing my part!"
Massively support this.
Because a lot of Tesla early adopters bought Tesla cars to support Elon's plan. In the early days there were a lot of quality issues, inconveniences (waiting months for parts etc.) early adapters were willing to overlook because people genuinely thought Elon was trying to save the world. In the present day, there are a lot of better alternatives if you want a greener car. Much smaller EVs and EVs from traditional car makers that have decades of experience in quality assurance and quality control. So if you've become disillusioned, there are a lot of reasons to sell a Tesla.
Principle.
I own and still like the model 3 that I own but I'm not about to sell it just because Elon's douchecanoe, that's just dumb. Now I can guarantee that the next EV I get will not be a Tesla though because Musk's action and values go too counter to my own now.
But the rest of the car industry is fine and dandy?
False dychotomy. They're not stating the rest of the industry is exempt from capitalism, but that they don't have a loudly fascist-adjacent individual as a leading figure and, if I may add, they have better build quality and reliability than Tesla's. At this point I have yet to meet in real life one single Tesla user who is happy with their purchase. Long before the Elon and Twitter drama, I recall one of my CS profs talking about their Tesla saying something like "The software and the self-driving features are what make this car valuable on the market, but, taken it as a car, it sucks compared to everything else"
Not surprising. Elmu did this to himself.
I was in the market for a Model X P100D and decided against it when I heard the irregular door gaps. Added that Elon is a douche, I decided not to buy it.
In other news, Musk remotely disables all used Teslas.
I read this as "Musk gave every used Tesla owner diabetes" at first and didn't even think it could be false.
That's a smart call. Working conditions at his companies are wild. You'll be required to work 80 hours a week every week or be fired. But at the same time you'll be working in a pretty building with young people and a great cafeteria where you sometimes go to nice parties.
Also the pay is pretty low. It worked out for those who have been there a while and got RSUs.
I worked there for 3 years... don't. Fucking. Do. It.
This simply says that Elon succeeded. Guys a shithead, but his goal with Tesla was to kickstart the progress of electric cars. Tesla can go under for all I care, they did manage to get other companies to care about producing EVs and now there are tons available. They're no longer a monopoly on electric vehicles and I'm quite happy about that, people have choice now.
Tesla is as much a battery company as a car company, yeah. If they can sell batteries to all the other car makers they still win.
My electric vehicle is a bicycle. It's great btw.
I'll eventually get an electric car after my Subaru and Honda die but it'll probably be a Volvo, that EX30 looks pretty nice.
Driving a Tesla is just an expensive MAGA hat.
That's not really fair, it's a big investment, and new cars are wasteful. Also, Musk wasn't like this so openly before he started meeting with Trump in the white house.
Not that long ago he was a dickhead hype man for electric cars and reusable rockets. As billionaires go, that's close to as good as it gets
A new one, post Twitter takeover? Fair.
Lemmy is not a place to rationally discuss Tesla and Space-X.
I can not stand Musk at all, but if every other Auto CEO were as vocal as he is, we would hate them too.
Apple survived losing Jobs just fine. Tesla and Space-X would probably be even better without Musk.
The news that has come out about how Tesla and Space-X have succeeded in spite of Musk, not because of him, has been eye opening. I think there's something to be said for having a front man to be the face of a company. Since Apple has been fine post Steve Jobs, so would Tesla and Space-X be fine post Elon. Frankly I'm kind of terrified that Space-X will get dragged down by this shit too, but it seems to have benefitted from being a side-project and not on Elon's front radar. If Elon gets bored of Twitter and starts doing Space-X stuff again. Thank goodness NASA kept redundancy in their rocket pipelines... At the time, it seemed like a waste, but now it looks very prudent.
Which is why other CEO usually just stay silent to public
Which is why Musk is a fool. Which is why people are not rational about his companies.
Yes, but they aren't as vocal. It's one thing to be an asshole. It's another thing to be an annoying, loud-mouthed asshole.
Tesla and SpaceX seem very different.
Lots of companies are making electric vehicles. Tesla's self driving software advantage is limited by people's high standards of success for AI.
SpaceX, on the other hand, currently has no real world competitor in the reusable rocket space.
You can sort of appreciate his showing his true self so unabashedly. It sheds light upon the ultra-rich mind. Still, he's a dumbo, IMHO.
musk fucking off would improve every business he runs
Teslas are for suckers.
"The survey also found that 87% of Model 3 owners are considering a Tesla for their next vehicles. That means it’s a fairly small percentage of people who are actually walking away from Tesla overall, and only about one in five of those people are doing it because of Musk.
The rest of the survey is quite glowing for the Model 3, as most owners appear to be very happy about their purchase and how their cars are holding up."
He's playing 4D chess, decreasing his net worth by being a Nazi. Libs and demsocs just don't understand. He's not like the other boys.
Just wait until they need service or support.
I love the car, so do both my parents. We all hate Elon... and would be my only reason to not get another one, but I still havent found another EV i like other than the Polestar 2 but I need more range.
I completely understand not wanting to buy from him, but taking the depreciation hit selling an otherwise perfectly good car that you already own is sort of dim. Just, you know, don't be a repeat customer.
They aren't otherwise good cars. The software updates constantly introduced new, frustrating and unpredictable behaviors, and customer support is the worst I've experienced.
sunk cost fallacy.
why is every comment defending Tesla/Elon some fallacy its either some straw man or 'im not really a fan of tesla BUT ...'
So your suggestion is sell for a loss then buy a new car that costs even more, simply because you don't like the CEO? In your mind this is sound logic?
Sunk cost fallacy is when you don't want to flush your money down the drain.
Considering the prices of used vehicles still (they have come down), you really are not taking a huge hit with depreciation.
I still like the cars but dumbass Elon is embarrassing.
Shock! I imagine those are the same owners who bought in because of his rhetoric to begin with. Anecdotally, it seems as if less "car people" buy Tesla's, as in they aren't buying it for the technology or the engineering of the product itself.
But that's just an outsiders pov.
From the Romero school for the Obvious: Elmo Husk is a devout shiatbird and should be shunned from polite society. That being said, those cars are freaking neat and NACS is a reasonable standard to use.. Still want one (used MX), but in a manner that would convenience me the most and profit him the least.
Those cars are piles of crap with some interesting features. Tons of recalls and way to intrusive big brother management of my personal property.
The way Musk is acting should have some severe effects on any company he touches. It's pretty annoying that he just so insanely wealthy that he can screw around and still have fuck-you money.
This really just tells us that people who sell their Teslas don't have any real problems.
If liking the CEO of a company is a prerequisite for using the product.... guess I'd better become a hermit.
It is when the CEO makes the company’s identity tied to himself.
I don't see what difference that makes. Elon is a cunt, so that makes it better for me to give my money to another company who'd rather see the world burn than change their core business? Doesn't track for me but maybe I'm missing something.
Seriously. The only difference between Tesla and every other car company is that Musk is vocal.
If you think other CEOs aren't just as big POSs as Musk, you're delusional.
way to avoid responsibility in your choices, you selfish stupid horror show
Esse cara precisa ser parado urgentemente.
Subsidizing the EV market and providing access to the common worker!
At least half the Tesla owners…. The only reason they got won was the Elon. And wagon was in full swing….
So of course now they’re selling.
Just here to say that this man is not Tesla. The people that are making these cars are doing a fantastic job all things considered. I get not wanting to be associated with Elon but he's one man in a giant company of people that are working their ass off to design and build these cars.
And they are the best cars on the road. A generation better than anything else out there right now. The only other car I would consider is a Rivian, but they are so big and use a lot of electricity. If you don't want to buy one than don't, but evaluate the car and not the wack job CEO.
That's nice. I still won't give my money to that asshole. I'm square in the middle of their target demographic and I figured I would buy a Tesla as my next car... Until the last year it two happened. I have the luxury of deciding where my money goes and and I won't buy a Tesla while it's his company.
So they approve of zucc, whoever tf runs google, jeff bezos and other pieces of shit, but elon is the breaking point for them? That's a stupid reason if you ask me.
I reckon if the Google CEO came out and called someone rescuing children from a cave a pedophile, was sued for Sexual Misconduct, then bought a stupid platform and started bitching and moaning about everything a lot of people would consider changing their stuff away from google stuff.
same with Apple.
They don't publicly announce their stupidity and being associated with them doesn't nearly have the same level of embarrassment
Like, fuck Musk all the way to Mars and back (actually, not back), but this is as pointless as when bigots burn sneakers or razors or beer because of a "woke" ad, except replacing a car uses so many more resources than replacing some shoes. And that's if anyone will even buy it off them, if not, then it's a whole car in the dump.
Surely making use of the car you spent tens and tens of thousands to buy, and putting an "I hate musk" sticker over the Tesla emblem is a better way to go about this?
Or is there some subscription shit where owning a Tesla means you continuously pay for features or whatever? Though if that's the case I go back to my earlier point - selling it to someone else won't actually end that.
You know, I'm going to say it and maybe no one likes it, but. Just the feel I get is that we're so hopeless in having our politicians actually do shit. Like, we realize, they're not going to do a damn thing to address jack shit. And the world has been turned so rampant consumerism, that the only way it feels like we have left is to do this non-sense of burning sneakers, shooting beer, and selling cars.
Like we're so past the point that actual advocacy is so ineffective and politicians are so past the point of actually serving the public, it's either we rampant play the game they've set before us with mucho-consumerism or we do the teetotal opposite of "we're killing the Applebees" anti-consumerism.
Now there's tons of in the middle, but say there's some perceived social ill, well to solve it you cannot just send a letter to your Congressional Representative or Senator. That's just going straight to the recycle bin. And you cannot just march on whatever to try and make a point, news cycle isn't going to focus on it unless it drives traffic to their site to sell ads. So how does one solve this "ill", fuck it, let's go consumerism in one or the other direction TO THE EXTREME!! Because, that money, that's what they're listening to. So you and your groupies fucking with it or amping its sales through the roof, oh well that they will listen to suddenly. We've got this notion that the things we own OR don't own define our position of morals and ethics. It's kinda fucked up when you think about it, it's like 11:00am here and while typing this I'm starting to reach for my whiskey flask.
I feel like this is how the Boston Tea party got started. The British wouldn't listen to shit, so fuck it, let's go fuck their tea up! You know, I don't know, all of this is just a feeling. But it feels like people we voted in to listen to us won't listen to us and thus we've got to go fuck with people's wallets so that they will listen to us. Do I think it's a good idea? Nah, this is silly shit. We should be able to address social woes in better terms. But that said, it doesn't feel like we've got a lot of tools to actually address shit. Everyone (that's hyperbole, I just mean to say a good amount of folks) has gone greedy as shit. There is fewer and fewer folks who are looking at "what will this do to the future" and just getting into that "dog eat dog" mentality.
Trying to keep from going off in a long crazy ass tangent, long story short, I think the 1% have amassed so much fucking everything and the rest of us are fighting so hard for table scraps, it's difficult to not be slashing at people's throats. Because if you ain't taking from your brother or your sister, you've got rich fuckers taking from you both. Like I said, it's just feels, but damn it feels like when it comes to solving some sort of problem in society we're a small hungry rodent being backed into a corner by some fifty foot cat. We're at a breaking point, we're either going to do something crazy or be a feline's lunch. Is that the proper way to solve anything, odds are likely "no", but damn I can't blame a person for being crazy. We're in some crazy ass times.
So yeah, I agree with you, but I mean I can't really look around this place and blame a person for being batshit crazy. It's kinda the environment that's promoted now a days. Now me and my whiskey flask are going to go have a heart to heart. Shit.
It's not the same as the idiots who burn sneakers or whatever, because they bought new stuff only to then burn it. This is selling something you already owned. Yes, it's better for the environment to just keep whatever car you have until it no longer works, but it's not as bad as buying something new just to burn it. It's also not as bad as burning something you already own, since someone else gets to use the car.
Oh my, hit a nerve did I?
I genuinely don't believe most of the people burning shit in protest were buying new.
And even if they were, shoes cost tens, maybe hundreds at most, this is tens of thousands of dollars lol (which, being a car, they'll never get anything near that back)
It also doesn't change the fact that getting rid of something that expensive because you've only just realised the guy who owns the company is an asshole (he has been an out and proud asshole before the cars were made, they were just either not paying attention or actively licking boot), is 100% an act of vanity performed by a highly privileged shattered ego.
So maybe even worse than buying sneakers to burn them... 🤔🤔🤔
no step against tyranny is pointless. ever. people who say this are stupid, lazy, evil, and usually a combination of all three.
If that's the reason Regulars are selling their Tesla then this world is doomed.
Who is actually selling their car because the CEO is an online troll douche? Can't really be more than a handful of people surely?
TBF I've considered selling my Model 3 because of his Nazi bullshit. I won't, though, because it's just too much hassle and there's not really many alternatives on the market. My next car very likely won't be a Tesla, though.
And yet, the best selling car in the world is the Tesla Model Y. Despite all the Musk hating.
I'm on vacation r/n, the rental car is a Y. It's all right, but not as fancy or premium as I was led to believe
also the decision to route every feature of the car through the touchscreen console is fucking awful
There are decisions I don't want software taking away from me as a driver and this thing does too much of that
I agree on the touchscreen, it's absolutely awful. But if other automakers want people to buy their cars, they better actually make them purchasable. My parents have been on the waitlist for a Chevy Bolt for 6 months and aren't anywhere near getting one, but they could have bought a Tesla same day at any point.
I was thinking about this today as I was looking at a model y: "it's all hype. The only reason people buy these things is because they idolize Elon and his ability to hype his own brand." It's 100% not because they believe in their heart of hearts that they're buying a reliable vehicle(and they look cool); it seems like it's pretty well-known at this point in time that Teslas are a low-quality product.
I find it funny that people are downvoting your comment because Musk man bad
Is it though? Sites claiming that it is generally lump Model 3 and Model Y numbers together... And even combining production and sales numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_Y
In the first quarter of 2023, the Model Y outsold the Toyota Corolla to become the world's best-selling car, the first ever electric vehicle to claim the title.
Elon doesn't care, he flies American astronauts and equipment into space. A few less cars won't put a dent in his vast wealth.be paid for Twitter and regrew to the world's richest man very quickly.
Most of his wealth is Tesla stocks
Tesla is a horrible car. The only reason to buy one is because Elon made it a status symbol.
Ah yes, the beautiful well build tesla
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Wtf?? Yes, he’s a dick and annoying, but who sells their fucking car because they don’t like the companies CEO???
Tesla is not just selling cars; it’s also selling a lifestyle brand about green energy and pro-environment technology. That brand is being damaged by Elon, which its owners accurately perceive and don’t like. So… here we are.
Teslas aren't buy-it-and-forget-about-it. They are continually making updates to the software, and building new charging stations. My Toyota hasn't changed since it left the factory (aside from normal maintenance), and Toyota doesn't have significant influence on how I can get gas.
I dunno. Seems smarter and more lucrative than buying shit from companies you don’t like and burning it like a sociopathic child.
Tesla is a horrible car.
Virtue signalers. Weirdly that's what people who bought it because of him were called so I honestly have no idea who to believe.
Buy them, don't buy them. No idea why this has to be such a big thing. He's a bellend. So was jobs. So was Edison. So we're most people you've heard of. That doesn't mean the product isn't good.
At this point if you buy anything you're ostensibly supporting some dick. You just have to pick your battles and at the moment I couldn't give a crap what he says on twitter as I don't use it and can't wait for it and Facebook to be killed off. Doesn't mean they make crap products no one about buy.
Honestly, tribalism is the worst thing on Reddit and lemmy seems to be more and more infected each day
I think he's an absolute donkey, but I see Tesla separately from him. The company itself and their cars are pretty solid.
So, sell your model 3 and then go buy an EV (or ICE) from one of the other automakers that fought tooth and nail to prevent the transition to EVs and sustainable transportation. Oh yeah, and the entire industry shorted Tesla stock for YEARS hoping they would go bankrupt.
Yes, Elon is a dick but people that get rid of their Tesla for this reason are god damned idiots.
How is the hyperloop business these days?
Oh, that's right, it was always just a distraction to keep cars relevant so Telsa made more money.
Why? Tesla did what was beneficial for them, the other car manufacturers did the same for them. Now EVs are here to stay, they can't backtrack and Tesla seems like they were shitty in their own way like outright lying about the range and suppressing complaints. That doesn't mean that the other companies are the good guys, the subscription seat warmers are fucking idiotic but that doesn't make Tesla good either.
Yeah, I’d rather not support the CEO who has actively scrubbed Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard off of Tesla’s legacy, has actively fucked with Cali’s HSR for his shit idea more or less meant to just prevent HSR in the first place, made a fire hazard into a “revolutionary idea” with that tunnel for Teslas, and calls people pedophiles because they call him out on his bullshit “promises”.
There are EV manufacturers who never made an ICE, like Rivian and Lucid.
Maybe they're just sick of answering "you support Elon Musk" questions. These are luxuryish cars[1] to begin with, these sort of people can probably afford to change cars based on "I don't like the CEO." Musk always acted like the "Steve Jobs" of the automotive world and sold Tesla as an Apple-like high-end brand. The risk you take is that if you're an asshole instead of a black turtleneck-wearing hipster then your customers will turn on you.
[1] yes yes, I know about the model 3.
Tesla spent years building a brand identity that is intimately woven together with Musk. It’s damaged goods now as far as I’m concerned. Every time I encounter one of its products I think about it. It wasn’t too long ago when I was eagerly following product updates in the hopes of eventually buying a car power wall or that solar roof system. I was enthusiastic about rationalizing away the poor build quality and terrible customer support. Now, I would never buy a thing from them and I’m happy to pass judgement on anyone who does. $tslaq
Even beyond Musk the quality of Tesla’s for the price is absolute shit. His presence just makes it even worse. The main selling point for them was the higher range but seems like that may have been a lie the whole time.
Musk's taint on the brand is I think majorly based on this type of thing. His twitter purchase has revealed that he's a serial liar, and now people are seeing all of the ways that it is happening with Tesla. People tolerate assholes all of the time. What they don't want to tolerate is snake oil salesmen, and I'm not sure there has ever been a bigger one than Musk.
Fun fact: teslas are the most recalled car brand in the country.
I don’t discredit the work done by the engineers there, I’d argue they laid the groundwork to usher in the future of electric cars in this country. But of course all the credit goes to musk. Just another situation like Steve Jobs. See Bill Burrs bit on Jobs and replace him with Musk, same exact story.
Curious what quality issues you mean?
In addition, almost all big car manufacturers now have far better EVs in terms of quality, features, and looks. Tesla no longer has the monopoly they enjoyed for almost a decade. If you’re selling me an EV with this shit stain on it, I’d just go the shop next door.
Let his fascist followers buy his EVs….oh wait, they hate them. Remember all the rage against EVs in Texas that led to “rolling coal” in Teslas, purposely parking F250s to take up all the Tesla charging stations, vandalism at charging stations, keying Teslas parked at malls? Yeah, those are the people he is fighting for.
I wanted a Tesla for years. I even had stock which helped me buy my house.
I no longer want a Tesla and it 100% has to do with musk. And I decided that before I realized I'm trans.
On the other hand, maybe we should start a foundation to buy Teslas for trans people. Can you imagine how pissed Musk would get if it suddenly became cool to be trans in a Tesla?
I wanted a Tesla. I was ready to get a model 3. Then he went full blown ass clown and at first I thought it was a joke, like he was just messing around being funny. Then I realized how big of a dbag he really is and yeah, no thanks. I bought a CTS-V instead and although it's the opposite of fuel efficient, it's the most fun vehicle I've ever driven.
When we got on the wait-list for Starlink I thought he was a cool innovator type.
Luckily we've had the Starlink for a couple years now and I typically forget that his embarrassing ass has anything to do with it!
Glad we got it back then, I'd probably write it off now and not trust it/him enough to spend the money (it was a decent investment for equipment).
Lol so are the CEOs of all the other manufacturers people to look up to and admire? Would you buy a Volkswagen or did you own one when Martin Winterkorn was running it?
Elon is a man child, I don’t look to him for any insights or knowledge, would I buy a Tesla? Ya if the car itself is good, if it’s not good then I wouldn’t buy it. It wouldn’t have anything to do with Musk however
Who do you bank with? Do you hold those CEOs to the same standards and not use their products?
Good luck buying anything where there isn’t some ethical issues surrounding the people who are the the top of those corporations
Most other ceos shut their mouth and let the product speak. Tesla/Elon’s mo has been to have the product in the background with him at the forefront, that worked well until it didn’t
It worked well for a long time but it makes sense if people lose faith in Musk they lose faith in Tesla. Because he is synonymous with the brand.
They haven't built their brands around the reputation of their ceo.
How can you evaluate if a car is good? It has recently been revealed that Tesla/Musk was exaggerating their range so severely that Tesla owners thought their cars were defective. Tesla has been trading on a reputation of 'goodness' that it didn't deserve.
Tesla is seeing repercussions from risks they took tying their brand so tightly with Musk.
I object to giving my hard earned money to evil people. I recommend the same.
Ah the ole "you're a hypocrite because your life contains contradictions"... Elon musk shoved his way into my life but according to you my buying decisions are wrong if I don't actively ignore that douche
Biggest issue is social. Buying a Tesla associates you positively with musk (by design), and from my experience most Tesla owners are incredibly annoying about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to avoid the stigma. Same reason people buy Harleys - the brand name and cultural associations on a vehicle matter a lot, sometimes even more than the car itself.
You can't have a rational discussion about Tesla on lemmy. So many people are so sick of hearing about Musk that only those who REALLY hate him will click on an article about him. Those people can not separate the product from the vocal dirtbag that is its CEO.
It's not worth even trying here.