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- [Meta] Announcing realtesla@lemmy.world
Posted: https://old.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/14n7fhp/meta_announcing_realteslalemmyworld/
With the #RedditBlackout June event and /r/RealTesla opening back up, I think the community needs a meta-discussion. I'll make the first move with this post on Lemmy.world.
First and foremost: if a user wishes to choose the default option of staying on Reddit... that's fine. This is likely the default choice for many posters and commenters and you'll get no qualms from me if this is your decision. Alas, a subset of the community will need to think of migration options. Some of us simply do not find Reddit Administrator's stance compatible with our morals and are seeking new internet homes.
I hope that this guide will open the discussion of migration (to where? Pros/cons?). I've mostly played with Lemmy during the #RedditBlackout, so I'll be sharing my experiences here. I also have heard whispers of other options, that I'll briefly cover at the bottom of this post.
I have to imagine that people out there are on the fence about these migration options. I'm here to answer your questions, based on my experience with Lemmy. Both the goods, and the bads.
!realtesla@lemmy.world ---------------
https://lemmy.world/c/realtesla -- This is where I, Dragontamer5788, have experimented with Lemmy for the past few weeks during #RedditBlackout. As a "Fediverse" community, it is accessible from many, many different servers:
- https://kbin.social/m/realtesla@lemmy.world
- https://lemmy.ca/c/realtesla@lemmy.world
- https://sh.itjust.works/c/realtesla@lemmy.world
https://lemmy.world is the "home" server of !realtesla, while there are "Federation" pacts with many other servers to smoothly allow the discussion (posts, comments, upvotes, moderator actions, etc. etc.) and keep the states all in sync.
The Fediverse's goal is to provide a social media replacement in general. And the Lemmy and kbin sub-communities of the Fediverse are trying to replicate a Reddit-like discussion environment.
Federation adds a little bit of new complexity due to the different-servers. See next section for more details on that.
Musings on the Choice of Home Server ----------------------
Users, and communities, should pick a home server which has a reasonable and trustworthy administrator. The good news is that most administrators are reasonable people in the Lemmy-verse. So you can mostly just pick at random and... probably... be fine.
sh.itjust.works, lemmy.ca, lemmy.world are all fine picks. https://kbin.social deserves special mention: its part of kbin project, not Lemmy, but they seek some degree of compatibility, and https://kbin.social/m/realtesla@lemmy.world works. I don't know how many bugs that federation has however, but it could be an option if kbin looks better to you!
I picked https://lemmy.world as !realtesla's home because I was just following the #RedditBlackout crowds to this server. Upon my last few weeks of experimentation, I've discovered Lemmy.world has become the frontrunner due to open-registration policy, and trust in @Rudd, the main administrator. @Rudd has successfully run the mastodon.world server through the Twitter Migration last year and still runs Mastodon.world today. Politically I'd describe everyone here as moderate-left.
https://beehaw.org is a left hangout spot that is expected to refederate with https://lemmy.world eventually. Beehaw.org's closed community style means that only the administrators can create communities (aka: subreddits), making Beehaw.org the most curated of all sites in Lemmy. You will be cut off from https://lemmy.world/c/realtesla for the near future however, but the highly-curated high-quality communities (albeit left-leaning) are clearly an advantage and I suggest you to check them out too, despite the fact that they can't access https://lemmy.world/c/realtesla . Long term hopes is that automated moderation tools of lemmy improve enough to give this small team of admins/moderators the ability to open back up to a big instance like lemmy.world.
https://sh.itjust.works seems to lean more right / libertarian than other servers. They also seem to be defederating from lemmygrad (aka: tankie-communists) and exploding-heads (aka: right-wing trolls), so their administrators seem to have a good grasp on decision making. I feel like a number of /r/RealTesla commenters would be more comfortable here, rather than the left-leaning other instances.
https://programming.dev is perhaps the largest programming-specific instance on Lemmy so far. There are other boutique servers, such as https://mtgzone.com, https://dormi.zone, and https://startrek.website, which have grabbed a large number of users and have successfully migrated to their own server-specific community.
https://lemmy.ca is a Canadian specific server. Today there seems to be glitches in the federation between lemmy.ca and lemmy.world however, but hopefully the administrators figure out the issue! I bring this one up to note that even when "Federated", software bugs can prevent posts, comments, and upvotes from traversing between servers, so picking your "home server" has a degree of importance... especially during bug-fixing times.
Not everything is pleasant. exploding-heads.com just caused an upstir as they've proven themselves to be administrated by far-right wing trolls, and have been defederated from https://lemmy.world. Also on my RADAR is lemmygrad.ml, a far-left communist tankie server. They seem to mostly keep to themselves and aren't invoking troll campaigns, but there's a number of instances that have already chosen to defederate from them purely on political grounds. (https://lemmy.world has kept this connection up).
I see defederation as a new tool in the toolbelt for administrators, where an entire server can ban all the users from another server en-masse if those users cross the line. Defederation therefore makes me optimistic: seeing the new possibilities available to handle online trolls and help moderate the discussion, and help build the communities we want. I recognize its not for everyone, but I'm overall optimistic for this environment and want to participate.
Bugs and issues ---------------
Lemmy is... not the best written software yet. It reminds me of 2008-era Reddit that's constantly falling over itself as more-and-more users join (Digg migration event anyone?). https://lemmy.world in particular is the largest Lemmy today, and we're seeing bugs here that don't exist on other servers.
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Federation bugs -- Lemmy.world requires thousands of background threads/workers to sync posts to-and-from other servers, due to its large size. If you use https://lemmy.world/c/programming@programming.dev (ie: the Lemmy.world portal to programming@programming.dev), your posts, upvotes, and comments could be delayed. In some cases, bugs with https://lemmy.ca has trapped my posts for days of delay. I've notified the administrators of this problem, hopefully they'll figure out the issue.
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Lemmy UI bugs -- Error-handling is poor. If you sign up for a new username and the email fails for whatever reason, spinning-circle forever. If you have a password that's too long, spinning-circle forever. If the topic is too big, spinning-circle forever. If the community is too big, spinning-circle forever (but your post/comments go through). Lemmy was in an alpha/beta state and isn't quite ready for the #RedditBlackout. But if you are familiar with the bugs, you're more or less able to talk to the home-server just fine.
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Lemmyisms -- Pulling in a remote community is a manual job invoked by the search menu (!!!). This means that if you can't see a community you know exists, you need to invoke a dance with the search-bar to get the https://lemmy.world server to federate to that community. I haven't figured out the full details myself. But this, in combination with #1 bugs and #2 bugs makes for a frustrating experience.
A number of these bugs were trying to be fixed in .18, a new version of Lemmy aimed for deployment for the July 1st rush. I... don't think .18 will make it to Lemmy.world in time for the July rush though, so we'll just have to live with these bugs.
How to Sign Up for Lemmy.world -----------------
This needs a guide because of how many bugs there are in Lemmy.
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Do not use an underscore in your username. If you do, the signup GUI glitches out and "spins forever".
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Do not use a password longer than 20 characters. If you do, the signup GUI glitches out and "spins forever".
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Pray and hope the verification email gets delivered. If the process of emailing fails, the signup GUI glitches out and "spins forever".
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If the verification email gets partially delivered, the GUI will succeed, but you'll have "spins forever" problems when you try to post. If you have any issues, contact me and I'll try to relay a message to https://lemmy.world administrators to fix your account.
Other Migration Options ---------------
kbin, especially the https://kbin.social server, is another popular option. It is mostly compatible with lemmy (and indeed: https://kbin.social/m/realtesla@lemmy.world proves that they can access realtesla discussion). The main issue is that kbin's frontend is entirely different, links written in "Lemmy-style" will not work on kbin.social's UI.
There's specialized communities: such as https://squabbles.io, https://lobste.rs, and https://tildes.net/. Unlike Reddit, these sites are aiming at smaller growth, so its more difficult to sign up for these communities. Like https://beehaw.org, without the hopes of future federation, they have strong moderator teams and seem to have built a good community.
- The Tesla Files Unveil More Accounting Fraud Than Imaginedbradmunchen.substack.com The Tesla Files Unveil More Accounting Fraud Than Imagined
The recent filing in the "Greenspan v. Musk et al" lawsuit reads like a great crime novel. But it's all likely real based on Tesla's internal data
I have the filing in another topic on this community (Greenspan v Musk topic). But this blogpost / commentary is easier for people to read.
- Greenspan v. Musk et al Document 55
Aaron Greenspan files court documents vs Elon Musk regarding alleged fraud in Tesla.
- Tesla Cybertruck caught fire after hitting a fire hydrant in bizarre crashelectrek.co Tesla Cybertruck caught fire after hitting a fire hydrant in bizarre crash
A Tesla Cybertruck caught on fire after hitting a fire hydrant in a bizarre crash and one of two known...
A rare Electrek article, but a goodie and ironic.
- Burglar Discovers You Can “Peel” Cybertruck and Access the Insidefuturism.com Burglar Discovers You Can “Peel” Cybertruck and Access the Inside
A clever car burglar broke into a vacant Cybertruck by popping one of the windows ajar and then peeling it wide open.
> "No Alarm, No Notifications to my phone... literally nothing happened just found it like this..." wrote Cybertruck owner Anuj Thakker, who shared the upsetting news on Facebook a few days ago.
- Tesla's Optimus Robot Can't Even Compete At Trade Showsjalopnik.com Tesla's Optimus Robot Can't Even Compete At Trade Shows
The World Robot Conference in Beijing was full of humanoid bots doing impressive feats -- and then Tesla
> At the recent World Robot Conference in Beijing, myriad companies showed up with bots in tow. Robots were making food, playing instruments, even challenging kids at board games. Tesla, however, did nothing of the sort — instead leaving Optimus trapped behind glass.
Humanoid robots are stupid. But I'm still happy to see that Tesla's humanoid robot is especially dumb / non-competitive with anyone else.
- Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover Is Now the Worst Buyout for Banks Since the Financial Crisis
Oh, and archive.is: https://archive.is/MmKF3
> The $13 billion that Elon Musk borrowed to buy Twitter has turned into the worst merger-finance deal for banks since the 2008-09 financial crisis.
- [LegalEagle Youtube] Elon's Dumbest Suit Yet (Suing Advertisers)
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- Kadyrov praises Musk, says he will send Tesla Cybertruck to fight in Ukrainekyivindependent.com Kadyrov praises Musk, says he will send Tesla Cybertruck to fight in Ukraine
"I had the pleasure of testing the new technology and saw for myself that it is not by chance that it is called 'Cyberbeast.' ... I am sure this 'beast' will be of great use to our fighters," Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov said on Aug. 17.
Kadyrov, aka the Chechen leader of the pro-Russian "Tiktok Battalion", has mysteriously gained a Cybertruck despite US Sanctions.
- Toxic fumes from Tesla EV semi fire shut down I-80 in Sierra. Batteries smoldered for hours
There weren't many Tesla Semis. For one to catch on fire like this is not a good look.
- Trump Actually Said He Would Appoint Elon Musk To Cabinet If Electedwww.huffpost.com Trump Actually Said He Would Appoint Elon Musk To Cabinet If Elected
The Tesla CEO just recently endorsed Trump last month.
- Tesla in Seattle-area crash that killed motorcyclist was using self-driving system, authorities sayapnews.com Tesla in Seattle-area crash that killed motorcyclist was using self-driving system, authorities say
Authorities in Washington have determined that a Tesla that hit and killed a motorcyclist near Seattle in April was operating on the company’s “Full Self Driving” system.
Another FSD killing.
- Tesla Model Y Damages Itself While Remotely Backing Into A Parking Spacejalopnik.com Tesla Model Y Damages Itself While Remotely Backing Into A Parking Space
The owner says the Model Y couldn’t detect the low part of the garage above the parking space, breaking its entire back window.
Just more FSD / Summon Bullshit, showing off how bad Tesla's sensor suite actulaly is.
> As documented on Twitter, the owner used Tesla’s Summon feature to remotely back their Model Y into a parking space, but the car didn’t detect low section of garage, resulting in the Tesla breaking its own back window.
- Tesla’s 2Q profit falls 45% to $1.48 billion as sales drop despite price cuts and low-interest loansapnews.com Tesla's 2Q profit falls 45% to $1.48 billion as sales drop despite price cuts and low-interest loans
Tesla’s second-quarter net income fell 45% compared with a year ago as the company’s global electric vehicle sales tumbled despite price cuts and low-interest financing.
Big declines in TSLA profitability this past quarter.
- 'Problem for Tesla': Dems flee automaker over Musk’s Trump endorsementwww.rawstory.com 'Problem for Tesla': Dems flee automaker over Musk’s Trump endorsement
Earlier this year, Tesla and X CEO Elon Musk promised he wouldn't be giving any money to either Donald Trump or Joe Biden.Musk sounded adamant, tweeting, on March 6, "Just to be super clear, I am not donating money to either candidate for U.S. President."But Musk later changed his mind, reportedly d...
> But Musk later changed his mind, reportedly donating $45 million a month of his money to the pro-Trump political action committee American PAC.
`Nuff said. CEOs are often Republican, but to be this outspokenly political is normally a bad thing for CEOs like Musk. Media company heads (and Twitter/X is a media company) are supposed to at least pretend to be neutral.
And catering to the far-right seems like a bad idea if your company makes EVs. But what do I know?
- TESLA'S MARKET SHARE OF ELECTRIC CARS IS COLLAPSINGfuturism.com Tesla's Market Share of Electric Cars Is Collapsing
Tesla's market share over electric vehicles dropped below 50 percent in the second quarter of this year for the first time ever.
> But even as sales for EVs are reaching record highs, Tesla's control over the market is starting to seriously wane, slipping below 50 percent in the second quarter of this year, the New York Times reports. Tesla represented 49.7 percent of EV sales over that period, down from 59.3 percent in Q2 of last year.
So EV market has grown, but overall sales of Tesla have declined in both Q1 and Q2 this year compared to Q1 and Q2 respectively of 2023. I feel like "collapsing" is hyperbole though, but that's what the article says. (And clickbait attracts more clicks right?)
- We finally know how many Cybertrucks Tesla has sold so farfinance.yahoo.com We finally know how many Cybertrucks Tesla has sold so far
Tesla announced another recall for its Cybertruck, its fourth since its release in late last year, but within the recall notice is an interesting nugget on how many Cybertrucks are actually out in the wild.
The NHTSA recall notice contains a line saying how many Tesla Cybertrucks were affected by the recall. And we know that its "all of them", therefore the number listed is exactly the count of total Tesla Cybertrucks ever sold.
> Digging through the numbers also reveals estimated monthly delivery figures. Tesla began low-volume production of the Cybertruck at Giga Austin in late November of last year, and a prior recall notice from Tesla revealed that it delivered 1,163 vehicles in December. That leaves 10,525 vehicles or thereabouts produced by Tesla in 2024, giving Tesla an average monthly delivery rate of 1,754 Cybertrucks, with five days left in June.
- Part 573 Safety Recall Report (Cybertruck Recall Notice)
A complete recall over all Cybertrucks has been filed at the NHTSA.
> On affected vehicles, the front windshield wiper motor controller may stop functioning due to electrical overstress to the gate driver component.
- Tesla Cybertruck Unexpectedly Accelerates Into Home With Rear Wheels Lockedjalopnik.com Tesla Cybertruck Unexpectedly Accelerates Into Home With Rear Wheels Locked
A Tesla rep allegedly told the owner, "the accelerator may or may not disengage when the brake is depressed."
Another unintended acceleration issue. Fortunately, no one was injured but the Cybertruck still crashed into a house.
This happened in a rich-enough area that it was filmed by someone's doorbell camera. There's apparently 50-foot long line of skidmarks.
- Tesla owners file class-action alleging repair, parts monopolydriving.ca Tesla owners file class-action alleging repair, parts monopoly
U.S. district judge clears owners to proceed with lawsuit, which claims automaker is violating anti-trust laws with policies
- EVs Are Selling Well For Everyone Except Teslajalopnik.com EVs Are Selling Well For Everyone Except Tesla
It seems the EV transition is going just fine — it's only the market leader that's imploding
- Tesla's unsold inventory is creating stockpiles you can see from spacesherwood.news Tesla's unsold inventory is creating stockpiles you can see from space
Where have all the Teslas gone? Stored in parking lots, every one....
A nice analysis of various satellite images that estimates how many cars Tesla has in inventory.
- Musk says his pay package is approved by Tesla shareholderswww.washingtonpost.com Musk says his pay package is approved by Tesla shareholders
Investors and Musk’s supporters, including X CEO Linda Yaccarino, applauded the results. The tally will be finalized at a shareholder meeting later Thursday.
> SAN FRANCISCO — Tesla shareholders re-approved Elon Musk’s controversial 2018 pay package by a wide margin, Musk posted on X Wednesday night, appearing to resolve an uncertainty that has loomed over his future with the company.
> A Delaware judge invalidated the package, worth as much as $56 billion earlier this year, arguing that the process that led to the deal had been unfair. As part of the deal, Musk was granted stock options as Tesla hit certain valuation milestones, accumulating massive amounts of shares that led to a record pay deal and played a hand in making Musk the richest person in the world.
Hmm, looks like we're in the "lawsuits" stage of the game. I don't expect that Elon can keep his pay package, so its going to go back to the Delaware Judge IIRC.
The interesting legal maneuver here is with regards to the Texas move. If Shareholders approve the move to Texas, it'd become a Texas vs Delaware issue. But... there's legal precedent saying that such a move would require 66% of the vote instead of just 50%. I imagine that this alone (the threshold of "move") will itself be subject to debate, and likely end up in Delaware court again before they're allowed to move out. Or maybe not? Legal stuff can be quite sharp.
In any case, stay tuned for tonight as the official announcements come out. Things are going to be interesting!!
- [Twitter] All three game console makers have now abandoned X integrationwww.theverge.com All three game console makers have now abandoned X integration
The Nintendo Switch has now sunset its X integration.
- Tesla to stop production at German plant for five days in Juneuk.finance.yahoo.com Tesla to stop production at German plant for five days in June
Electic vehicle maker Tesla will stop production at its German plant in Gruenheide for five days in June to improve processes in the factory outside Berlin, a spokesperson said on Tuesday. Confirming a report by business daily Handelsblatt, the spokesperson said Tesla would pause production in the ...
- Elon Musk ordered Nvidia to ship thousands of AI chips reserved for Tesla to X and xAIwww.cnbc.com Elon Musk ordered Nvidia to ship thousands of AI chips reserved for Tesla to X and xAI
Emails circulated inside Nvidia show that Elon Musk was telling the chipmaker to prioritize shipments of GPUs to X and xAI ahead of Tesla.
- Class Action: Oklahoma Firefighters Pension and Retirement System vs Elon R. Musk
Elon Musk's Twitter Purchase, not the $44 Billion part, the 5%+ part in March 2022 (when Elon crossed the 5% legal threshold wherein he was required to report becoming a large stakeholder publicly).
It sounds like Elon failed to report crossing over this threshold in a timely manner, so this large Twitter-shareholder (Oklahoma Firefighters Pension and Retirement System) is suing Elon Musk. Or so they allege.
- Tesla’s $56 Billion Pay Package for Elon Musk Opposed by Calpers CEOfinance.yahoo.com Tesla’s $56 Billion Pay Package for Elon Musk Opposed by Calpers CEO
(Bloomberg) -- Calpers, the largest state public pension fund in the US, tentatively plans to vote against a proposed $56 billion pay package for Tesla Inc. Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk, a sign of opposition from a major investor.Most Read from BloombergWall Street Returns to T+1 Stock Trading ...
> Calpers owns roughly 9.5 million Tesla shares, making it among the electric vehicle maker’s 30 largest investors, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
- We write to you to urge you to vote AGAINST the reelection of directors Kimbal Musk and James Murdoch and AGAINST the ratification of CEO Elon Musk’s 2018 option award at Tesla’s AGM on June 13th
This is the big letter from Pension-funds about the upcoming Tesla vote on Elon Musk's pay package, board of directors, and the move to Texas (away from Delaware) as corporate headquarters.
Some shareholders, such as the ones who wrote this letter, are very strongly against the $50 Billion (or so) of TSLA shares going to Elon Musk. And the arguments seem valid, based on this letter.
- An investigation into Tesla's vehicles over seat belt issues has been closedqz.com An investigation into Tesla's vehicles over seat belt issues has been closed
Tesla recalled more than 15,000 electric vehicles last year to fix the problems
Tesla claim to be the safest car, yet they let this slip.
Made a comment in jest/maybe bad taste like a week ago in the tesla community to the effect of "would be very on-brand for Tesla to have issues with the seatbelts. Got downvoted to hell and explained to me how tesla issues are only regarding fit and finish and they are THE safest car brand on the road today. Today I see this article...
- Woman Stuck in Tesla For 40 Minutes With 115 Degrees Temperature During Vehicle Updatewww.ibtimes.co.uk Woman Stuck in Tesla For 40 Minutes With 115 Degrees Temperature During Vehicle Update
Tesla driver stuck in car during software update. Warns others to avoid in-car updates and highlights the importance of knowing manual release features.
- Rematch! Tesla Cybertruck vs. Porsche 911 Drag Race! (This Time It’s Not Rigged)www.motortrend.com /events/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch/
TL;DR: Porsche 911 wins everything, even the 1/8th mile... even the slowest Porsche 911 they could find.
> That starts by racing against a 2023 Porsche 911 Carrera T with a seven-speed manual transmission. This is the slowest new 911 you can buy today, but it’s hardly a dog. In prior MotorTrend tests, we’ve run the 379-hp stick-shift Carrera T to 60 mph in 3.9 seconds and through the quarter mile in 12.2 seconds at 116.4 mph. Per our usual test procedures, we raced the 911 with a full tank of gas.
Elon lied.
- Tesla now spends ad money to influence shareholders approval of Elon Musk's $55B paydayelectrek.co Tesla now spends ad money to influence shareholders approval of Elon Musk's $55B payday
Tesla has now disclosed that it is spending money to promote its shareholders vote to approve of Elon Musk’s $55...
- Tesla launches limited-time 0.99% APR loan rate on U.S. Model Y orderswww.teslarati.com Tesla launches limited-time 0.99% APR loan rate on U.S. Model Y orders
Tesla has launched its latest buying incentive for the Model Y, this time offering a special, super-low interest rate for those who...
Yet another (effective) price cut from Tesla this past weekend. Sure, its not really a price cut, but with APYs this low, its clear that Tesla is eating the cost of the loan.
I'm guessing that inventory has been piling up more that has forced them to figure out this hidden price cut / APY trick.
- Next round of layoffs at Tesla [May 12th rumor / Blind]www.teamblind.com Next round of layoffs at Tesla - Blind
Who’s ready for another round? My boss called me on Thursday and gave me a heads up that my name was on the list. So check your emails before you go to work tomorrow. You may not have a job. I don’t. They cut the function I ran at Tesla in Austin.
This fresh post from teamblind.com suggests another round of layoffs has already begun at Tesla.
- Tesla Tells Cybertruck Owner Coolant Leaks Aren't Covered By Warranty After Only 35 Milesjalopnik.com Tesla Tells Cybertruck Owner Coolant Leaks Aren't Covered By Warranty After Only 35 Miles
The Cybertruck owner drove just 35 miles after picking up the new truck before it broke down during charging.
- [Threads] Bloodbath at Tesla. Tesla employees on Blind FWIW 👇www.threads.net Paul Rietschka (@paul_rietschka) on Threads
I remember comparing Musk to Trump and being told I was mean and could not possibly be correct.
naLP67 at Blind creating a rumor that 25% new layoffs are incoming. This here is a "Threads" where people are discussing the rumor.
Given the 20% initial layoff round and this 25% additional round, we're looking at a ~40% cut to all of Tesla compared to just a few weeks ago.
- Hundreds of Tesla vehicles parked outside Chesterfield Mall. Why?fox2now.com Hundreds of Tesla vehicles parked outside Chesterfield Mall. Why?
Hundreds of Tesla vehicles are parked outside the Chesterfield Mall as the shopping center sets to close doors in August.
This is a week-old article now, but its huge proof of the growing Tesla inventory problem. Tesla simply isn't selling all their vehicles anymore, and thus large scale storage sites like this Chesterfield Mall are seeing a huge number of Tesla vehicles pile up in storage.