SpaceX executives worried Elon Musk was on drugs during 'cringeworthy' all-hands meeting, WSJ reports
SpaceX executives worried Elon Musk was on drugs during 'cringeworthy' all-hands meeting, WSJ reports
The Journal reported executives at SpaceX worried Elon Musk was on drugs after an "unhinged" all-hands meeting in which he slurred and rambled.
At SpaceX, where illicit drug use could jeopardize the billions of dollars of government contracts enjoyed by the defense contractor due to federal regulations, The Journal's reports of Musk's drug use put at risk nearly $1 trillion in assets held by investors, about 13,000 jobs, and the future of the US space program.
And I thought Twitter was going to be his biggest fuck up.
Elon be like: Fuck them.
We can excuse the racism, the transphobia, and the antisemitism, but we draw the line at drugs!
That can lose them their security clearance and government contracts, so kind of a big deal.
The racism and transphobia and everything else can be ignored because it doesn't affect their bottom line in the society we live in.
Don't you see? All of those other things were BECAUSE of the drugs! It's exactly like what happened to Roseanne and her Ambiens!
He's always been a racist, homophobic, sociopathic capitalist. Aligning with fascists is the trajectory of most like him. The drugs just make it more obvious..
(Yes is read the /s but I still felt an opportunity to get a jab in because fuck this guy)
Anyone else would be fired for coming into work while high.
Oh, they're probably okay with certain drugs, but slurring speech indicates he's taking the wrong kind.
with one executive describing the event to the outlet as "nonsensical," "unhinged" and "cringeworthy."
This is different from normal?
Also:
SpaceX also began cracking down on illegal substances at the company by bringing in drug-sniffing dogs, sources told The Journal.
How much do you want to bet those dogs are never allowed up in the executive suites?
What kind of company has such a bad drug problem that they need to bring in dogs to find it? Absolutely ridiculous.
I'd probably be shooting up junk too if my boss was Elon Musk.
I don't think it's that they had such a rampant drug use problem. I think it's just that they wanted to appease Uncle Sam so they could keep sucking on that taxpayer teat. Uncle Sam's a bit of a stickler about such things, especially when it comes to people who build rocket ships.
It's always projection.
Elon takes care of all the drug sniffing in there personally. No need for dogs.
Well the smart money can only go inverse, and tripling down with a "I'll see your bet and raise it 500%" that a drug dog absolutely will find a shit ton of drugs in the executive areas. I'd take out the largest loan I possibly could, then go to a loan shark and do a blood contract, and absolutely muster every possible cent I possibly could after whoring my own ass out, on THAT bet.
Guys let's not make taking drugs look even worse by association it with that guy
Drugs are the innocent bystander here.
I don't know, this might make a few kids skip taking drugs. Maybe his cringeworthyness is finally doing something good.
... Musk's drug use, which includes LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, and ketamine, ...
Explains....soooo much. Still an asshole, though.
Yea... You kinda' have to be a real piece of shit to be on that many drugs and still be an asshole. Good ol' musky.
That’s a good point. He’s clearly not taking enough
Sounds like the man is really bored with his life and all he has left are drugs to keep him entertained
I mean, with that kinda dough, you kinda run out of normal things to do.
Drugs are probably the most normal thing he does.
Which is why dumbasses pay millions to go see the wreck of the titanic and have pedo orgies in private islands.
Yeah, and sure he can pass a drug test if you consider:
LSD: 12 hour wash-out time for a blood test
Cocaine: 24 hour wash-out time for a blood test
MDMA: 24-36 hour wash-out time for a blood test
Ketamine: 24 hour wash-out time for a blood test, and it's easy to get a prescription for off-label use to treat depression
So basically, do all the drugs you want Friday night, by Monday morning you'll be clean enough for a blood test.
You think musk worried about drug tests? Interesting.
What are they gonna do? Fire him?
Isn't that a queens of the stone age song
It doesn't explain why I can sense an OD on him soon
Only if you got into his stash of lsd again,
It’s news sure but is anyone thinking it’s groundbreaking news that Elon musk might be on drugs most of the time?
100% an upper or “microdosing” on a hallucinogen. Just a nibble of psilocybin every day before impregnating a secretary and after bed.
This is entirely unrelated, aside from the stupidity of the subject, but I’m reminded of that fella who repeatedly injected mushrooms to try to get high. He sterilized the mushrooms by boiling, then blended, loaded into a hypo, and slowly plunged the mixture into his arm. He ended up with a complete systemic fungal infection but survived. I wish Musk would get creative with it.
What does his glabella have to do with anything?
Wait, you're telling me he's not on drugs 24/7?
No. We're saying the SpaceX board is not on enough of them. Because they're going to light up the whole business by leaving him in place rather than figuring out what it's going to take to launch him into the sun. I mean remove him.
The guy was a decent salesman, heavilly empowered by daddy's money and connections, who had a bit of luck, even though he only had one kind of salesmanship technique - the Techbro Brew: heavy on selling "high-tech" and "innovation" as inherently good and always trumphing other considerations - and kept walking the grey legal area between lies, exageration and Fraud.
However he seems to have started believing his own schtick that he's a special golden boy whose farts smell of roses, and here we are now.
Know this: having that amount of money is deeply not normal. None of us could do it. We'd save people. We'd build things that helped instead of giant toys. Billionaires are a type of sociopathy. And this guy's got it bad.
100% tax after 999 million. Full stop.
"One tiny step for mankind and one giant leap for me personally" -- Jason Alexander during a skit about piece of shit billionaires making dick shaped rockets going out into space.
Exactly. Musk and Trump are the poster children for why you shouldn't leave your kids everything if you're wealthy. It'll ruin their lives and the lives of their children.
Musk spent a lot of money trying to teach people that that doesn't work.
He's a billionaire because he owns the majority of Tesla and Tesla is very valuable. He has no taxable income unless he draws a salary or liquidates some of his Tesla shares
He demonstrated it by liquidating some shares and getting a tax bill
Billionaire spending money comes from a deal with a bank - the billionaire gets as much credit as they like, the bank is paid back by their estate upon death
However he seems to have started believing his own schtick that he's a special golden boy whose farts smell of roses, and here we are now.
Yeah, that's the problem. Honestly, a lot of people would do this. That's why corporations are supposed to have checks and balances.
I will admit, him being on drugs did not occur to me as a possible explanation for his 'taking tesla private' tweet that torpeedoed his networth, but having been confronted by it now I am having a hard time not believing it.
Musk's drug use, which includes LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, and ketamine, according to people familiar with the matter, is at the center of an extensive new report from The Journal that details how executives at several of the billionaire's companies have struggled to manage his substance use and erratic behavior.
And? Its only a crime when regular people do it, for rich people its just 'eccentric'
Until it starts hurting the other rich people- the investors. Eventually, Musk's erratic behavior will have to be dealt with. He will never be anything but a multibillionaire, but he may not be CEO of his companies much longer at this rate.
Has there ever been an all-hands meeting where the CEO was not cringeworthy?
I just assume it's the minimum amount of yearly cringe you have to endure to stay employed.
I've been in some. Plenty of small companies with CEOs
If a C-level meeting ends up getting more than average press coverage, it turned into cringe.
Hasn't he been relatively open about his habitual micro and macro dosing of ketamine?
There's a world of difference between a micro and a macro dose. You don't want to be anywhere near work with the latter.
The difference being, with one you get a light, pleasant, happy, drunk adjacent feeling. With the other, you're sitting on the ground staring into the infinite void of nothingness, head lolled to one side, while your friends dab the back of your neck with a cool towel, hoping you don't puke and asphyxiate on it.
It'd be surprising if he could even manage talking with the latter.
Imagine the power trip that comes from being Elon Musk's Dealer.
I heard some of the really wealthy Silicon Valley types kit out their own private laboratory and hire chemists.
Doesn't he slur and ramble most of the time? I have never heard him make a sentence without stuttering.
Which means this must’ve been really bad for it to stand out so much.
If you watch the recent hour long interview where he told advertisers to fuck off, something seemed off about how he was talking then as well. I've watched my fair share of interviews and what not with him and even I thought something was up there.
Not saying it's drugs, but something is going on with him
Edit: late edit after watching the all hands in question. This didn't seem unusual for Elon and I didn't get the same weird vibes I got during the interview I mentioned above. They did cut off the Q&A though so maybe something happened in that. Also the whole thing seemed unneeded. More of a public facing thing for people/media and not an all hands.
What would be scarier is if he wasn't on drugs. Being on drugs means that there is a "normal state" for him to return to.
Companies perform drug checks for a reason. People who lead large organizations while regularly getting off on drugs are usually the biggest psychopaths around.
Drug tests are just to keep their boots on the faces of the workers. It's disgusting and invasive.
Because there are no instances in history where forcing drug use had been weaponized at the international level. Man, sometimes it's so easy to see how lemmy is close to the same dark web that spams drug adverts on matrix.
Don't be silly. Drug testing is largely for worker's comp. Think the insurance wants to pay out on an accident a fucked up employee got into? That has nothing to do with the employer.
That's why the vast majority of jobs coded as "clerical" do not require a test. Employers don't want to pay for all that if they don't have to.
EDIT: Lemmings who know nothing of the employment field, but want to get righteously angry.
The higher up you go, the less likely it is that you'd be tested for drugs. We could empty board rooms if we insisted on drug testing at that level.
Yes, but I'm not really arguing against that claim. The higher up you go, the more psychopaths you have as well. They can have all the drugs they want, the real work usually doesn't depend on them, and psychopathy helps them make money if not contribute to society.
And that reason is to keep insurance premiums down.
So why do insurance premiums go up if people use drugs? Imaginary reasons?
10 downvotes on this comment, because they either mis clicked, they're guilty of the same thing and the truth hurts, or they're bootlicking scab motherfuckers.
Probably because routine mandatory tests are bad, and the comment you replied to is an endorsement to it. It's a gross violation of your constitutional rights under the 4th amendment. Also, why do you care to make assumptions on why people downvoted if you're not even making an effort to broaden your views?
Given that SpaceX is a private company, where Musk owns the vast majority of voting rights, I'm not sure what can be done here. The same goes for Twitter, and I doubt Musk is stupid enough to have bylaws in a company he bought 12 months ago that would oust him for drug abuse (although I would fucking love it!)
Tesla, though, is only 21% owned by Musk (assuming Wikipedia is up to date). While it's tight, I imagine the board could request he take a drug test, and if he refuses/fails, call a vote to remove him. Given that Tesla execs have been worried about his unhinged behaviour for years, it could be the blessing they've been hoping for.
I think the issue is that SpaceX has government contracts. NASA and the military are probably more likely to be authoritarian about drug use among their contractors. He got in some hot water for smoking a joint in a Joe Rogan episode a few years ago too.
I think it's ridiculous of course. Let people do drugs. If he becomes incompetent then oust him for incompetence. Don't bring drug dogs in, especially since they're really only going to find low-level employees self-medicating while the execs weasel around it.
Nothing, and nothing needs to be done. It's his company, he can run it how he wants and that will result in how successful it is. Personally I wouldn't be anywhere near him and unless I had a dire need not to, I'd quit working for whatever company he owns and find somewhere more sane to spend my time
I really do think he started doing drugs a few years back.
He smoked pot on Joe Rogan's show.
He doesn't seem like the sort of person who can have the self-control to stop there. He's try uppers and downers and anything else to make himself feel good now that people are calling him out on his bullshit.
The dude was on top of the fucking world in February 2018 when he launched his car into orbit. In July of that year, he called a guy a pedo because the guy said Elon's toy submarine idea was worse than useless.
If he had kept his dumb mouth shut, we would all still mostly believe in Elon's bullshit myth.
Instead, it's mostly common knowledge that Elon is a narcissistic man baby, and has been for his entire life.
He would rather we didn't know about the emerald mine, but everyone knows. We know he bought his way to every success he's ever had, and that he has zero natural talent.
And that has to drive him mad. So he does drugs and plays video games to escape from reality. A reality where he isn't loved, and is actually viewed as the prime example of the problem with allowing billionaires to exist at all.
It was that Joe Rogaine interview, marijuana was his gateway drug.
I guess that Marijuana that he awkwardly smoked to be "cool" was a gateway drug to much worse.
Of all the problems I have with this man, drugs are not one.
I guess it depends: is he a more awful person because of the drugs, or would he be a more awful person without them?
What a sad downspiral for the guy. There's no way this ends well and we're all forced to attend the party.
Honestly I can't blame him. I couldn't imagine not doing drugs if I was in his position.
Proprecia so his plugs don't fall out 😅
Sounds like he's having his Howard Hughes moment...
You mean... he isn't aways on drugs?!
Maybe he should be
There are them that shouldn't take drugs. And there are them that NEED to be taking the proper ones under medical direction.
I've been thinking Musk needs to be taking some under a Doctor's care...............
And permit a human being to be smarter than him in any field, regardless of how little experience he has in it?! Heresy!
Maybe the problem was that he wasn't on drugs during the meeting
Yeah, the most powerful drug: money ...joking, he was probably under the best mix his personal lab could have created
Is it a joke? Seems like money makes rich people do crazy things, babble incoherently, act like they're superheroes... like a lot of other drugs. And, of course, they go through serious withdrawal if they lose even a little of their money.
Yes, he is probably doing "real" drugs, but his biggest drug is money.
Yeah was a joke, I am well aware and you are totally right about the narcotic effect of money (and power itself)
“Hey! Are you on drugs?!??”
“No!”
“Well… Would you you like to be?”
Well yeah. The dude never sleeps.
He IS on a drug, and it's called: CHARLIE SHEEN.
This is the way he’s always been and it’s only getting worse.
Employees have always had to manage him not the other way around; a perpetual petulant toddler banging his hands on the table; ruining everything he touches with his Reverse-Midas-Touch so they keep him at bay.
This is increasingly the characterization of so many rich and powerful people.
Soooo weird…
If you have money, then in the business world you have intrinsic value.
When you have enough, you reach the tipping point where it doesn't just need to be the only thing you provide, but it outweighs others ways you hurt the business.
The less your ideas are useful and the more money you hoard, the faster it changes.
It can go quickly downhill when the CEOs wealth is tied to stock price.
And ends disastrously when they go somewhere that workers aren't used to them. Because the CEO was never told they used to be babysat just for their money, they legit believe they're a genius
You have to think who gets that wealthy and is like "Let's go to work!" You have to be psychotic to have more wealth than you can ever spend and not go fuck off somewhere and enjoy it. I would never go back to a job even if I was running the place, I'd just do whatever I wanted to do for the rest of my life.
Generations of inbreeding will do that to you.
Birds of a feather got to stick together.
And yet yall make it sound like a bad thing
We call it the Mierdas Touch.
Phony Stark and his Mierdas Touch. nice
@cybervseas @Uglyhead Ah, a fellow shitty pun connoisseur
So I completely agree that he is a shitty human being. But I don't understand the sentiment that he is at bad at making money.
He's the literal richest man on earth. Objectively, whatever he did, however he did it, he is the best at making money. Twitter is a failure, obviously, but Tesla and space x are quite successful.