The most pro-union liberal

Luddites were good actually

Yeah, but they teach us he was bad without explaining why he did what he did aside from a vague "He hated machines"
- I was led to believe the luddites were like the Amish and they had like, a religious opposition to technology.
- there never actually was a Ned Ludd he's a folk story
luddites are reactionary according to marx
but what is happening here with the unions is seizing AI tech for the benefit of workers, not the corporations. the contract explicitly allows writers to use it as they wish, but cannot be pressured by corporations to use it to meet quotas. it is explicitly not luddite, and is in fact what marx suggests to do with emerging technologies. i fully expect writers to use ai to make their jobs easier going forward and to have something to bounce ideas on without having their jobs endangered.
- I don’t think this is a fair assessment. from the quote Tachanka posted, Marx is just saying Luddism is bad tactics. Is there other info to say that Luddism is reactionary, or am I misunderstanding what you mean by reactionary?
:ludd-shining:
- Can we get a:
The enormous destruction of machinery that occurred in the English manufacturing districts during the first 15 years of this century, chiefly caused by the employment of the power-loom, and known as the Luddite movement, gave the anti-Jacobin governments of a Sidmouth, a Castlereagh, and the like, a pretext for the most reactionary and forcible measures. It took both time and experience before the workpeople learnt to distinguish between machinery and its employment by capital, and to direct their attacks, not against the material instruments of production, but against the mode in which they are used.
TL;DR We shouldn't destroy the machines, we should seize them from the ruling class.
Enoch's hammer agrees

Also

Imagine my surprise lol
- the thing about the EU that no one likes to talk about is that Oswald Mosley came up with the idea first and he was a fascist.
  I would be more forgiving of that fact except for everytime I get into an argument with an EU supporter they almost always end up more or less quoting Oswald Mosley
Universal symbol for "you're about to hear a shit take."

There's a bunch of people like that on Reddit who are convinced AI is taking over every industry and people trying to push back against AI techbros taking advantage are luddites afraid of change. Pretty sure those office workers will be the first to lose their jobs.

They are luddites in the sense that the Luddites were cool as fuck
- I kept using the term luddite for so long until I read about the actual luddites; it's crazy how relatable they are and yet they've been smeared so thoroughly.
- That was kinda fun. I know just enough computer science to ask the questions that really annoy "AI" ~~accolades~~.

WE'RE NOT LUDDITES!!!!!

The enormous destruction of machinery that occurred in the English manufacturing districts during the first 15 years of this century, chiefly caused by the employment of the power-loom, and known as the Luddite movement, gave the anti-Jacobin governments of a Sidmouth, a Castlereagh, and the like, a pretext for the most reactionary and forcible measures. It took both time and experience before the workpeople learnt to distinguish between machinery and its employment by capital, and to direct their attacks, not against the material instruments of production, but against the mode in which they are used.

TL;DR We shouldn't destroy the machines, we should seize them from the ruling class.

- which is smart and good and not ludditism. honestly I'm not even sure ludditism would be possible for them, unless they suddenly started blowing up random AWS server closets until they got the ones that happen to be generating screenplays
Sure, but our respect for Luddites is for who they are in their context. In the same way that the Jacobins are not how we should be, but they developed much of our theories for us and experimented in ways that gave us a better understanding
- Yeah that's fair.
- I was not accusing the writer's strike of doing otherwise. My comment was in response to the tweet in the screenshot which claimed socialists are luddites. The writer's strike was not luddite. Socialists are not luddites.
: "I'm not a primmie."
: "I am not a leftist!"
: "You both are literally the same because you care about stuff and it makes me uncomfortable to see someone give a shit about anything besides consooo-I mean, the economy."
- yes, and I would further add that some amount of destruction of means of production is inevitable in the process of waging class war, but it should not be the primary aim of class war

Critical support for Adam's stupid fucking face, I guess.

How's that post go again

If I have to get exposed to the political opinions of a 14 year old again, I'm going to scream?

I remember when we first set up shop here and I realized there were actual teenagers amogus. I threw up in my mouth a little with the idea of talking to someone half my age without realizing it.
Good news is it's 3 years later and they've all likely grown into full people at this point.
- Good news is it's 3 years later and
  they're not mathematically half my age anymore
- It's been really fun going from high school to drinking age on this site
- I had fully grown adults getting so mad at me and beefing with me over the stupidest things when I was 16 on here lol
I do not remember believing anything particularly strongly when I was 14 o_O
- I was an anti-religious dweeb due to conflating all religion with the fucked up evangelical churches my mom would drag me to and I had a copy of The Stranger that I would take every with me and try to be seen reading.
  Like if I met an identical 14 year old I wouldn't think he was doomed to suck forever but I definitely wouldn't want to hear his thoughts.
- I remembered some good sentiments, but with no correct way to enforce being supplied, and some stupid fascist programming I hadn't seen as such yet. Most of my takes were abysmal at that age, but I was at least highly feminist and had a strong but flawed anti-racism stance.

That is a literal child. Like, it says 16 in their bio.

Children should not be allowed to use the internet.
If you're old enough to drive a tractor and ride a moped on public roads, you're old enough to get mildly dunked on by an obscure internet forum you'll never even hear of.
Sorry, I don't make the rules.
If you publish a public take on unions, you should be praised or bullied as an adult
- pretty common - it's two components of "asl" which most
  MSN-using millennials should recognise
  (age, sex, location)

the blue checks are all so mad because they would die to simply be hooked up to an AI powered slop hose that gives them a batman movie every day no matter its quality

EDIT: Sorry I meant Batgirl.
But does it give you the cancelled Catwoman?
- You mean Batgirl? Or did I miss something else they made?
- Is there anywhere to find that or is it lost forever?

literally not luddite, the union contract permits writers to use AIs when it benefits themselves

They're 16 years old. It's perfectly natural to be a complete idiot when you're a child. I was a bog-standard libertarian at their age, there's still plenty of time to turn around.

Idk when I was 16 I was the normal sort of stupid 16 yos are, not this hilterlite trash
Yes but also it's in black and white in the Constitution:
"The right to consume treats shall not be infringed."
- A/S/L is such an ingrained thing to the internet I don't get how you think 16 is anything except age here.

Love calling someone a Luddite while he made a video with a phone to post it on social media, very Luddite indeed

The fuck is a luddite
- Fleshlights for women.
- quaaludes enjoyers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG2JF0P4GFA
- it was an anti industrialist movement in rural england. Basically what people who like the unabomber think the unabomber was
  similar to how some people read paradise lost and think the devil is sympathetic without realising that Milton was also using the book as a vehicle to express his own radical opinions about the civil war - basically if you read paradise lost and found the anti-hierarchy stuff appealing you don't like the devil you like Oliver Cromwell

Ludd is infact, the only king I recognise o7

All hail Ned Ludd

I really don't know how liberals can square the circle with their whole "we are the furthest left in this country and you need to vote for us to stop fascism" bullshit.

What even is fascism to them? They don't seem to care about anything other than when Trump did mean tweets.

Biden has given more money to the police after BLM, Biden has drilled more oil, he started a new war, ended COVID help, is still detaining and separating families at the border, union busting...

The list is long

Fascism is when you hurt marginalized people and gloat about it. Liberalism is when you hurt marginalized people and don't gloat about it. At least Biden isn't hurting the feelings of the people he puts in cages!
blue no matter who; it's harm reduction!
they think fascism is mean tweets

the luddites were worried that industrialisation would lower standards of living for the english lower classes. The industrial revolution then did that

the luddites were objectively correct

https://hexbear.net/post/130429
- To be clear I don't think the luddites were ambitious or organised enough but their belief that industrialisation would lower their standard of living was indisputible

Why would I want to watch/read something that someone else couldn't be bothered to write?

technically an uncountable number of people wrote it, since, for AI (statistical machines) to even function, it has to draw on human-created and human-curated sample data. So everything an AI "writes" is really just a statistical rearrangement of stuff humans had already written. AI is constant capital, which is a form of capital. And capital is dead labor which feasts on living labor.

Unions are a valid party that's part of the free market, dumbfuck

. You claim workers should have no rights, yet you benefit from labor EVERY DAY. At least when people say "muh iphone" my politics come from a place of gratitude for the workers that made it possible for me to shitpost online.

How is a capitalist system supposed to work if an entire class is WORKING FOR FREE?

My lib buddy was saying he doesn't give a shit about the entertainment strikes because they don't really work hard or create anything necessary to live, but he supports the autoworkers because they actually make things that people use everyday. I had to point out that he doesn't own a car and watches hours of TV everyday, so in reality the writers/actors provide much more to his life than the autoworkers do.
- I don't understand that reasoning art is clearly something people like and that takes labour to produce

I always picture Tom from bigsofttitty as adam conver bc i have no idea what he looks like

he often looks like marge simpson

The piccrew natoids (🌐🇺🇦🇺🇲🏳️‍🌈🇪🇺🇹🇼) who want to sacrifice humanity on the sacred altar of capital are simply demons and must be destroyed with unrelenting force