Would you walk into a hospital and start fiddling with a person's life support system if you had no idea what any of the levers do?
I hate the "this is how it's always been and if we change it society might collapse" argument
It's about as sound of an argument as saying its natural for coal miners to cough and die from black lung or its natural for children to work in factories because of their size, or the naturality of women not needing an education just to be homemakers
It's literally just a re-run of the classic Chesterton 'Fences' thought experiment.
Maybe someday conservatives will get a new argument.
Fittingly, Burke's arguments for deferring to the legitimacy of the status quo have been passed down and reused generation after generation with only the most minimal change. I wish that I could dig up his skeleton and set it on fire.
The liberal thinks we live in a completely rational meritocratic technocracy!
The liberal also thinks capitalism keeps people fed when it causes famines and fixes bread prices, keeps them housed when it creates homelessness to drive up real estate value, and keeps them alive when it denies the poor healthcare and cannot sustain itself without unending genocidal wars. This person clearly lives in, as their "Release the Snyder Cut" brain would put it, "Bizarro World".
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Comparing doctors to economists like they're remotely comparable is fucking funny.
Capitalist economists are more equivalent to astrologists than a professional science.
Capitalist economists are more equivalent to astrologists
Literal satanic human sacrifice death cult for pagan idols
Mainstream economy is pseudoscience since they took their first step back in order to not admit Ricardo was on a right course. And it could be even worse, Austrian school for example is literal cult.
The priesthood of the cult of the line
Seeing a raven at noon and using it to predict the coming collapse of Russia's economy.
Economists are the new feudal clergy, they only exist to justify the current ruling class.
The wealthy are wealthy because God / The Market is rewarding their value.
The poor are poor because God / The Market is punishing their laziness.
Economists treat the modern economy the same way Abrahamics treat God - as an unpredictable, fickle monster that you can't ask anything of.
You can't blame God / The Market when it punishes you, you can't directly control it or tame it, but you can offer it incentives at most and be grateful for scraps.
God / The Market doesn't exist to serve Man. Man exists to serve God / The Market.
The person's screaming in pain, the life support is flashing red, the patient is dying due to incredibly foreseeable causes that they would happily prevent, were it not for their doctors having a vested interested in making it happen. They may be alive, but the patient is dying and loudly protesting, and the doctors clearly don't give a shit - Damn right I'm gonna start working out what those levers do and try to change 'em.
The patient is pointing towards a large button that says communism medicine
the life support is flashing red
It's right there, telling us the future is red, like the banner of Socialism.
it's such a fucking asinine analogy. i'm sure tons of fart sniffing bourgeois looking for reassurance that the exploitation they do is morally good are thrilled to read it.
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Yes, I would
Because as a socialist, I do know what the levers of society do
hooooly shit this person is comparing the """"""work""""""" economists do to that of doctors
economists are the definition of fiddling with levers. marxian economists are the closest to actual scientifically understanding economies (because materialism and political economy) and even that's a stretch
Economists are more the definition of a tenured professor/clergyman, they don't know shit about supply chains and engineering
Nobody who talks about economics like that person has even passed econ 101/102. I know this because I can explain why they're wrong using only what I learned in econ 101/102. Though to be fair, nobody who actually understood econ 101/102 would support capitalism at all.
Would you walk into a hospital and try to stop a guard from suffocating a patient with a pillow?
Because that's a much closer analogy to what the ruling class does to the people
This is so true. Marx never considered how capitalism works
Yes was a capitalist. He has a few books about it
As pointed out in that thread, "life support" has a double meaning
Life support e.g aboard a ship it is the combination of all systems responsible for maintaining a safe environment for the crew.
Life support e.g someone in bad/critical condition being kept alive through medical equipment.
OP does not realize the second meaning is just a huge self-own as it is an admission modern capitalism is only barely keeping everyone alive instead of creating wealth and prosperity for all.
It is even worse when you realize wait a minute that is actually a very good analogy, capitalism is definitely the only reason why we have billions of people that can barely afford to live and many more ultimately fail and the "life support" system just stops working for them i.e you end up homeless, get murdered, die of hunger etc...
Capitalists: would you enter the infant ward of a hospital and start stealing food from the babies? Unplugging IV drips and hiding formula until they paid you money? Turning off incubators and demanding rent from a 2 week old?
Of course you would you fucking pigs, because you're greedy and don't care about human life.
Socialist countries, famously not training or incorporating doctors, scientists, engineers, mathematicians, or economists, much like Cuba, the USSR, and China
No doctors exist in Cuba or China, it is simply illegal to get sick in these places. They are so oppressed, they are deprived of the freedom to contract illnesses.
Wont anyone please think of the poor cancer cells
I do high level logistics shit all the time for a major supply chain but go off king
keeping 6 billion people alive fed, clothed, housed, etc.
You need to remember that liberals see millions of children in sweatshops as a victory. The children should be grateful that capitalists have created the conditions where being tortured on an assembly line is the best option available for the global poor.
"400 child laborers got mangled to death every day while making the latest Soyphone9000X? Why There Is simply No Alternative! What else should they be doing instead, going to school??"
Socialists, would you walk into a hospital and smother an infant to death???
I was mega disappointed when I watched the show because I really thought that "Jesse. What the fuck are you talking about?" was part of the show. And then it was not 😭
At first I thought this was in reference to anti-vaxxers storming hospital rooms and messing with the equipment inside because they thought that the medical staff were trying to kill the patients via the “plandemic.” This sort of thing still happens I believe.
What is this even about? Voting for Brandon?
Because people are definitely fed, clothed, and housed under capitalism 🙄
Going into a hospital where everything is made of brass and leather and pulling levers on the machinery that is covered in gears and has steam whistles on it
A child given control of the levers that control society would do a better job than any capitalist.
candy for breakfast and pony for everyone would literally do more for the working class than anything kamala has ever done
Somehow all the levers of the economy are entirely undocumented, save for the hundreds (thousands?) of universities with economics and poli-sci departments in the United States. Not one of them took to the onerous job of describing what the levers do.
Seriously I know the fields of Econ and Poli-sci are bullshit, but we all know that some familiarity with the liberal economic and political systems is required to overtake it (i.e. you might need to legitimize power through both/either means, at least temporarily). Marx, Lenin, et al were familiar with the economic and political ideas of the states they lived in.
If I'm being paid to sabotage it.
Each day almost 4000 people die due to tuberculosis.
Would you walk into a hospital and start shidding? You know, just start shidding and farding???
I'm sure that everyone's covered the major areas for dunks but the framing of this is so entirely idealistic and downright lib.
The idea that this "life support" system exists as some platonic ideal rather than being a aggregate effect of mass-scale 24/7 tampering from all angles - shareholders, governments and supranational organisations, corporations, policy makers, the filthy rich etc. is just baffling.
Honestly it comes off as very Petersonian in that I feel as though it's ressentiment being filtered through terminally-lib brainrot; you know how Peterson is constantly exhorting his audience not to seize power and that if they think they'd be oh so much more enlightened as a leader or a head of state well think again, Bucko!! We are all evil and corrupt and selfish so if you did happen to seize power your worst insticts would immediately be amplified by the power you wield and it would inevitably lead to your and/or society's ruin so sit down, shut up, and keep to your station in life?
This post has the exact same arch-conservative energy.
"Don't you dare try to intervene in the economy! If you presume to then you are arrogant and power-hungry and your attempts to make positive change are surely doomed because this mystical economic system is far too complex for your tiny primate brain."
It's a siren song to anyone who has any inclination towards making change in society.
your attempts to make positive change are surely doomed
Fascists believe in astrology because they are so domesticated that they believe the movements of the planets has more impact than actual humans
Honestly, I would love for my worst instincts to be amplified by the power I wield. As a treat.
Capitalism puts you on life support, you heard it here first folks
Yes, because that's already what capitalists do every day.
lmao MILLIONS of deaths over DECADES?? good thing we definitely aren't going to witness that under the global neoliberal regime. Or if we are, then obviously they were unavoidable, because we live in the best of all possible worlds. I can't make even the most basic, obvious critiques of the abuses of the status quo taking place right in front of my eyes. it's actually mature and smart to accept the self justifying logic of authority without question.
The deaths would take decades to materialise, but
"materialise"
Br*tish are vermin, not human.
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Total lack of self awareness
This has already been said, but it cannot be emphasized enough that neoliberalism fits perfectly into this metaphor as the health insurance company wedging itself in as a middle-man to leech off of everyone and decide on its whims and margins who lives and dies based on who it wants to throw scraps to. Ownership is not a job and the proletariat's being sustained is not predicated on them not owning things, either in common or divided amongst them, but rather having a few ghouls claim private ownership over every inch of land and every miligram of raw material on the planet.
It is capitalism, not economistism or whatever. Capital decides fate of the economy, not economists or government. Economists only advise government what to do, their advices are only advices and in this status quo they can be ignored by presidents. And capital is not highly trained proffesional who knows what they are doing like a doctor (see Elon Musk) most likely they inherited that wealth. Even if they are, extremely rich people did not gather their wealth by being charitable, they are probably most greedy people and they will only act according to their interests
I don't think I have seen all three at once before.
Gee, it sure sounds like an appeal that the abductor would use to try to leverage a hostage situation. "You wouldn't want them to get hurt... would you?"
Beyond the absurdity of using a hospital patient as a metaphor, it also serves to ridicule it's own position: A hospital patient is dying, you the doctor offer to save the patient by giving them medicine. This person ridicules you for even trying and casts you as a murderer if you fail.
This argument is also projecting. It casts the socialist as not knowing what they are doing by messing with "levers that no one could possibly understand". Yet the post implies that those unknowable levers are a perfect analogue to a patient who is hooked up to what is clearly an understandable apparatus of life support. It sounds like the argument doesn't not in fact know what those nebulous levers are, yet describes the socialist position as clueless to the "complexity of society".
Better not try to fix the dying machine. It's death is certain, but trying to save it is uncertain, and that's too scary.
We let economists fuck with society, yet they're not sociologists
The reason socialism doesn’t work is because it inevitably causes people to start eating babies and smothering patients in hospital beds. It makes sense though because this is what Marx wanted. Anyone who pretends otherwise is simply unable to understand Econ 101
Because this country just kind of irredeemably sucks ass in general and I unironically actually would rather cause a catastrophic collapse that kills millions than sit here and try to live with this garbage for another however many years i've got. Besides, what gives all the other people who do just that their license to do so?
my ADHD ridden ass:
If that switch is on I'm flipping it off. If that lever is off I'm turning it on. If there's a big red button you can be damn sure I'm pressing it twice.
what a question, truly one for the ages
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Come on, the OP has to be a troll. Here's one of their comments, I refuse to believe anyone is actually this far gone
Levers and screws are types of "machine" and they exist in nature. Machines don't have to be designed.
They are probably referring to "Simple Machines": Lever, inclined plane, pulley, wedge, wheel, screw.
It's a science class thing, like I think it was that "all complex" mechanical machines are made of those basic components.
Not saying they aren't still crazy, but that's probably what they meant.
The other comments make me sad.
There's stuff like ATPase but I don't think he's that smart.
I'm trying to think of a counterpart to match this insane argument... Ok so, then they're implying that the bourgeoisie are Rocket Surgeon Lawyers? Anyways... We run all this shit already, we keep the goddamn clocks ticking. Even the dumbest effort of improvement will outdo the anarchy of the market.
but instead of a doctor it's Elon Musk
paging Dr Guevara
for patient consultWe're never going to win, are we?
Not with this attitude
Actual video of a socialist trying to operate the economy levers https://youtu.be/CvO0o0lQhBE?t=69
please give them the upvotes they deserve for giving us this entertainment https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/168vpqu/socialists_would_you_walk_into_a_hospital_and/
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Hey, stop guessing my hobbies, smh.
depends on the person
So 2 billion people have to suffer because the libs dont know how the machine works?
It's the price we all have to pay for $1 margaritas at Applebee's
Oh shit that's a great deal in this economy, you could hustle that and resell it for at least ten times its cost and still make a profit while undercutting your competitors