More young people choosing permanent sterilization after abortion restrictions, new research shows
More young people choosing permanent sterilization after abortion restrictions, new research shows
I wonder what would happen if even just 50% of all women of child bearing age moved out of the states that added these abortion restrictions, that would basically destroy the states population in a few generations.
I wonder what the response would be...
Probably something terrible, and possibly illegal that would still somehow be permitted...
I am just a guy from Scandinavia looking at the US with complete disbelief that this shit happen in the west in this day and age.
To everyone fighting for this to be repealed I wish you all the best, and to all of those in favour of these restrictions, just stop voting, and go away.
What I have understood as a non American, the state would still have the same voting power though? So -75% of people, leaving just angry men I guess.
Sorta, but that’s not the whole story. We have two legislative bodies, the House of Representatives and the Senate. In the senate, every state gets two senators. In the house, every state gets at least two representatives, plus some amount based on population - california has 52, for instance.
The original idea was to “make sure rural voices were heard”. In practice, it very much has been what you stated - if you’re educated but not rich enough to benefit from republican policies, you flee red states en masse, leaving mostly rich assholes and uneducated chucklefucks who are hurt most by the very people they elect. They then have a massively disproportionate effect on policy versus any joe schmoe in california.
The amount of electoral votes per state is adjusted based on its population, but they all get a minimum of 3. So, if enough people left, it would have some effect on the state's voting power, but once you get to a certain threshold, the weight of each person's vote actually starts to go up.
I wasn't even thinking about that, a 50% reduction in women in child bearing age would absolutely ruin the future population growth of the state, and on an even more basic level, would mean that a lot of men would never find a partner in the state, so they would need to move to other states to find someone, which means even more population loss.
At some point the situation would be so critical that there would be no choice but to change the laws back, and even after that it would take a LONG time for people to get the confidence to move back.
(Sarcasm) Don't insult the west by lumping the US in with sane respectable nations. (/Sarcasm) The US is a third world country with some lipstick on at this point. We keep hoping to turn things around and put us back on course but. Damn is it exhausting.
I'm in the USA and we're a garbage country. Don't get me wrong, there are good areas and good people. But our broken system allows the craziest minority to have an outsized degree of power and they absolutely take advantage of it.
How a state like Wyoming, with fewer than a million people, can get as much say (in the senate) as my state of California is beyond me. We have almost 80x their population, yet they get an equal number of senators. I want a revolution that adjusts their voice to be proportional to their goddamned size.
A few generations? One generation is enough. The population would collapse and they would be fucked.
Yeah any significant change in gender demographics of an area will cause problems. Too few men will cause some issues but our cultures have developed defenses around this problem thanks to cataclysmic wars happening every few generations. Too few women on the other hand will get real bad real fast especially since this will be a situation of existing misogyny driving women away. Some men will get real violent and those capable of living in either society will flee because they won’t get laid otherwise.
Forget population and generations. 25% of people just leaving an area will lead to a massive economic downturn.
You’d give those states all the electoral votes and senate seats, and they’d apply their laws at the federal level. I’m suspicious that’s their plan. Drive all the liberals out of these conservative states that were at risk of turning blue so they can take their policies federal.
Also if it's mostly women leaving, that makes it easier to recruit men into armies if they are told it will help them get laid when there's a huge imbalance. And easier to elect leaders who push male superiority ideas and that women should defer to men.
I bet they'd supercharge enforcement of the laws they've been testing - such as intercepting women leaving the state for suspected abortions, or parents suspected of taking children out of the state for gender affirming care
The laws are set up that you could basically set up roadblocks and force a fight through the system to leave the state... Keeping people from leaving is important if you want a fascist state, because they suck and only "true believers" wouldn't consider moving
That's why those laws are so terrifying... They don't have to convict anyone, they can just be used to suppress movement
I wonder what would happen if even just 50% of all women of child bearing age moved out of the states that added these abortion restrictions,
I wonder what would happen if they actually voted?
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/
I knew of a girl when I was in high school. She was a senior and I was a sophomore. Word began rushing through the school that she (head cheerleader) was pregnant by the quarterback on the football team. He came from a super wealthy family, and honestly we all expected an immediate marriage and a 'premature' baby.
What happened instead was an announcement that she had died during emergency surgery and let's all pray. She had had a (what we called) backstreet abortion and hemorrhaged.
We all knew how to access an illegal abortion, we knew the risks, and this girl just was the unlucky one.
She was super smart, in the Latin club, debate, 4.0, just destined for success. And instead she died.
This was in 1969, and I cannot believe we as a nation are willing to go back over 2 decades in women's healthcare.
Y'allQaeda is at it again. Yeehaa!
She had had a (what we called) backstreet abortion and hemorrhaged.
Banning abortions doesn't stop abortion, it only stops safe abortions.
You know 1969 was 55 years ago? While that is technically "over 2 decades" that's an interesting way to describe 55 years lol
Technically correct is the best kind of correct
Haha!! I was trying to type 55!!
You can blame the Moral Majority. So many of them would look at your story and go "well that's what she deserved for having premarital sex".
I avoid having kids by simply being completely unappealing to women. 😤
Is it possible to learn such power?
Not from a normie
The simplest way is to be a Reddit mod.
Do you own a fedora?
So, you know when you see a woman, and you speak with her like a normal person and form a connection? Nothing good comes of that.
Instead of doing that, convince yourself in your head that saying even two words is going to end in disaster and then play on your phone and awkwardly pretend they aren't there until they go away.
It's hard, but with enough practice it will become second nature. You've got this!
yeah, be a turbo nerd, don't be socially competent (autism is a good start) and don't care about romantic relationships. It's all about the interpersonal aspects anyway.
Unfortunately, I think the people who should be sterilizing themselves are not the ones doing it. (not talking about eugenics)
Next step for Republicans: Ban sterilization. I mean plenty of doctors already refuse to agree for a patient to have a vasectomy/get their tubes tied, especially young (and white) patients, because of shitty personal beliefs. Why not go a step further? These working class heathens need to be forced to stay in line.
My mum, when she was in her mid40s, went to get her tubes tied. Dr refused, "still of child bearing age." Her response: I've got 6 kids, tie these damn tubes or I'll do it myself!
Edit: a word
I recently went in for the snip because I'm in a state that wants to keep rolling back rights and already have a pretty awesome kid. My area also has a population of people who I don't quite understand that were definitely judging me for my choice.
I went to a highly rated urologist office that was a part of my insurance plan, though the procedure isn't covered, other aspects like the initial consultation were. The first receptionist I talked with quickly changed her tone toward me when I said I wanted a vasectomy and made a big deal about not being sure my insurance was accepted. She said she would call me back by EOD after she checked my insurance. This was midmorning on a Thursday. I never heard back. I called back a week or so later, different receptionist. She put me on hold for a few minutes to verify my insurance plan and we set an appointment for the consultation.
On the day of the consultation, the nurse who showed me to the exam room visibly changed her demeanor as soon as I stated why I was there. Thankfully the doctor was all business and the nurses assisting spring the procedure a few weeks later were professional and kind.
There are definitely some medical professionals out there who want to put their own beliefs over those of their patients. I didn't think it was as prevalent as it likely is.
Also ban viagra. Impotence is the will of god.
As a male, (who thankfully doesn't need it, yet) I agree with this 100%. If these clowns are going to force their beliefs on others, they should have to face the same consequences. Make it illegal, not enough to ban it.
Can we please not do the “it hurts the other side more”-bullshit? Especially in light of the fact that Viagra has legitimate medical uses outside of ED and that ED can also be caused by factors that affect conservatives a lot less, such as HRT for trans women.
Don’t mind me, my trans ass is just over here laughing about how “concerned” the GOP is about trans kids’ fertility while lighting a fire under the ass of cis adults (which you may have noticed greatly outnumber trans children!) to get themselves permanently sterilized.
Also they love to make it a pain in the ass to bank genetic material. Like, if they covered that in health insurance a lot of trans people would just in case
I support any person who chooses not to have children. It’s saving the planet. There are way too many people.
Not really. The people there are just put in little effort not to screw up the planet .
"Overpopulation" is a right-wing myth.
Overpopulation as a dogwhistle for racism is a conservative myth.
Overpopulation in a "I'd rather not turn Earth into Coruscant and so many of our climate and food/water issues would be easier to deal with if the global birth rate slowed voluntarily" is not.
We can handle feeding everybody, we can't handle the trash.
The fear of overpopulation, of the poors overbreeding and overcrowding the rich is basically a given in all political elites. Basically part of the washington consensus.
Our current, below replacement birthrate, no matter how much they try to hide it, is not an accident.
i have a theory that the food shortage is a sort of example of the overpopulation at play.
The sheer fact that there are so many people in this one place, that we can produce too much food, and then not distribute it effectively, implies to me that there are simply too many people in one place for it to be effectively distributed. I.E. over populated.
And if you really want to raise kids, adoption is a win-win-win for you, them, and the planet
Isn't it really expensive in a lot of places?
It can be. The system is intentionally bogged down with a lot of red tape to discourage people who aren't fully committed to raising a child, especially one that isn't their own biological offspring. The thing is, raising kids is expensive in general. You'll shell out millions over their lifetime for basic necessities, education and enrichment. If somebody balks at the cost of adoption, they probably aren't ready for kids yet anyway.
People are simply not going to be forced to have kids. Repuglicans are completely blind to that fact
This is a good article about how one woman figured out how to do abortions herself. https://story.californiasunday.com/abortion-providers/
This is what will happen.
Well, except for the quiver-full crowd and all the women indoctrinated into the barefoot and pregnant school of thought.
In other words, the poor, stupid, and indoctrinated will continue to spew out kids while the educated and reasoned will make the choice not to, therefore the stupid will inherit the earth.
I've said this elsewhere, but if you are in the states and have health insurance sterilization is covered! For those with lady bits too! This changed with ACA and as soon as it was in effect I started searching for doctors. Easier said than done unless you are old or already have children. But it is possible now, unless you are in some state that used their right to take that right away.
Have to be at least 21 for Medicaid, FYI.
this is actually a really based statistic now that i think about it.
Just sterilize yourself forcibly if you are ok with it. It's a protest. What are they going to do, force us to have babies?
Also you can have your sperm or eggs frozen in case you do want to have kids in the future. Take control of your reproduction and fuck these conservatives.
True, but it's enough $$$ to be out of range for many (for eggs anyways)
Generally, female sterilization means cutting or removing the fallopian tubes. The eggs and womb (uterus) are still present and functioning, but the pathway for the eggs to travel is no longer available. In other words, eggs wouldn't need to be frozen in case a future pregnancy was wanted. However the eggs would need to be removed and mixed with semen, like in vitro fertilization, for a pregnancy to actually occur.
"i froze my eggs/sperm and am now sterilized permanently. Eat shit losers."
What are they going to do, force us to have babies?
According to the Handmaid's Tale (which seems to be their user manual) they will either kill us or send us to forced labor camps as we are useless to the holy demography.
fine be me. Not like i'm going to of much help doing anything else LMAO.
If you're a cis man, it isn't hard to get done. My urologist talked about the finer points of sci-fi while my procedure was done and then he mentioned that men often use events like march madness to conveniently allow themselves to be lazy. He was so cool. I want to be my urologist when i grow up.
The procedure sucks for folks who might not have the safety net like I did for it. I realize that. But if you do I have to say that it's much better than for a woman and that you are being a feminist warrior for your wife/SO. Anyway I encourage all guys to get it when they feel they are ready.
Also bringing your semen sample in a little lab bottle to your doctor is weird AF.
Lol yeah, worst was having to wait in line with it to check in! For those interested, I found a jock strap to be the most comfortable for the first few days.
My doctor played Africa by Toto on his phone
How long until we see cishet women with "no unsnipped guys" in their Tinder bios?
As someone who was single and looking on dating apps a year ago I wish they did. Would have made my job easier since I don't want kids and not everyone puts that on there. I was extremely upfront about being a loser gamer (I play league) that doesn't want kids. You'd be surprised about the amount of people who still contacted me based on looks alone and didn't bother to read the bio.
I was extremely upfront cause I know who I am and what I want and I'm not hiding it. Take me or leave me. Turns out It worked and I found my fiancee that way.
Same here. I'm dude who was very upfront in his bio about being an asexual nerd and I still got booty called by plenty of women who seemed surprised when I told them I was ace. And it's not even like I'm hot. That's not just low self esteem talking, I'm so generic looking people literally struggle to describe me and I think it's hilarious. I'm pretty sure a lot of people (men and women) are just lonely and playing the numbers game hoping something works at this point.
Not sketchy at all /$
Banning abortion is really gonna pump those birth rates up!
Oh wait...
Fuckin for real good for these folks for taking matters into their own hands.
The 1% can make their own wage slaves.
I live in Texas and plan on getting a vasectomy as soon as I have the money.
Do you have insurance? My rinky-dink bare minimum ACA insurance turned out to cover it. It cost me $40 in total. You might want to check into that.
I do have insurance. I'll have to see what's covered. Part of it is just going through the actual steps of scheduling and doing all the leg work.
Greatly depends on the state. The ACA made coverage for female sterilization mandatory, though I believe some states have passed laws against this. A handful of states have laws requiring coverage for male sterilization, unfortunately mine was not one.
Planned parenthood does them cheap! Source, my ex in a red state got his done at Planned parenthood
I have some nurses in my family and have a recommendation from a cousin that got one from a highly rated doctor. If it turns out too expensive I'll check there.
People should be paying you to get a vasectomy. When I got mine (8 years ago now?) it was $800. It is the single most effective thing one can do for the environment, and is a real vote against these tyrannous governments oppressing people (women specifically in the case of banning abortion).
For women, sterilization is involved and dangerous. For men, it is a 5 minute procedure. Do it!
Start taking the steps!
Don't forget that after you get it, you need to wait around 6 months before you're sterile. Then, you need to get your sperm count checked. It is important, the vasectomy is not immediate sterilization.
It is not six months. I was told by my doctor it was roughly one month, 30 days, and that was the time frame in which I was tested for before and after.
It can, in some situations, take up to three months at the outside. But definitely not six.
I have sent an email to setup an appointment. And my cousin told me the same thing about having to empty the tank before you're good to go.
That's probably the thing conservatives are going to go after when they're done banning birth control medication.
Dunno if I’m ‘young’ but I did get snipped 3 years ago. No kids for me.
wait until they ban that too with these ghouls you never know.
this will be an interesting example of the cobra effect though.
I feel like people treat fertility way too seriously. So many doctors will refuse to sterilize people because "what if they want kids in the future". Well then they can get a sperm donor or adopt. It's not the end of the world.
In Germany it seems access to sterilization is more difficult if you're light skinned, go figure...
how does that look in %? more might just mean slightly more?
From the article:
They found that there were roughly 58 more tubal ligations per 100,000 outpatient visits after Dobbs and 27 more vasectomies per 100,000 visits.
Won't this potentially contribute to an increasing population of people supportive of, or otherwise apathetic about, abortion restrictions, supposing those taking this course are largely against abortion restrictions?
Support for abortion is not a genetic trait, and seeing firsthand the effects of criminalizing abortion is a quick road to being militantly supportive of it.
Support for abortion isn't a genetic trait, but religious parents tend to raise religious kids due to environmental factors.
I don't think it with be a big enough difference to matter given how much more liberal people get over time, but it is possible this will happen a bit.
Sorry, I should have been clearer, as I wasn't aiming to suggest it was a genetic trait. As another commenter indicated below, as well as another in this thread, I was asking in relation to the upbringing perspective.
Although I'm well aware upbringing isn't brainwashing, and so even those anti-abortion parents couldn't prevent their children from being for bodily autonomy, but I thought it worth asking about to see what others might think. If you read through some conservative leaning texts, some of them unambiguously talk about having children for the express purpose of perpetuating their beliefs, so at least some will view this trend as in their favor.
Also to be completely clear here: I'm pro-choice, and for bodily autonomy.
No. This will lead to population collapse. It does not matter what policies/laws you have if you literally run out of people that can sustain the society with their... wait for it... work!
You're just doing exactly what conservatives want. Now they will have 20 kids and you will have zero, and the future generation will be further fucked.
If you think growing up in a conservative household guarantees a kid becomes conservative, you didn't grow up in a conservative household.
No, I'm doing what I want which is not to have kids. Regardless of what conservative fuckheads want or think.
Then this doesn't apply to you why are you commenting
I'd still rather not force a conscious being into that existence. If I can't move the needle myself, I'm not going to give up and and create a human just to put this massive burden on them.
They just want more plebe workers, this is almost certainly not what they want
I don't want to create a little person into this flaming hellhole just in time for them to watch everything go extinct from the frontlines of the resource wars. Fascists and their descendants can have it, I guess, fuck this shit.
Yeah but the future generation will be all conservatives, by your logic. So fuck it, I'll be dead and happy!
I wouldn't subject a child to being the 1 in 20 that was against fascism. I would rather they be the last ones left and burn themselves out.
I think about this a lot, and the first scene of Idiocracy.
Nobody owes children to society. I don't have children because I despise infants and I don't want the complication, period.
I'm not young, though, but I've never missed having children.
Wow, people really don't want to wear a condom...
If you are going to have casual sex, you still need to wear a condom, what are you talking about? The lack of sex education in this thread is incredible.
No thanks, I'll just fuck a fleshlight instead. Much better than a real vagina with a condom.
BTW condom dissent is majorly censored all accross the internet, even though it is an almost universally held belief that condom sex is shit sex not worth having.
Can we just take a second to appreciate how fucking sick of a sign "MY UTERUS > YOUR GOD" is?
Best. Sign. Ever.
I'll remember that. Thank you.
I quite like this sign from the Women's March a few years ago-
I’m gonna be making these in bulk and pinning them up everywhere, holy shit
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Do you accept Your Uterus as your Lord and Savior?