Kevin Spacey calls for the release of the 'Epstein files'
Kevin Spacey calls for the release of the 'Epstein files'
‘For those of us with nothing to fear, the truth can’t come soon enough,’ the actor shared on X
I'm wondering what kind of international incident this will cause. Who else is in there, it can't be just Americans?
Rich people are not an America-only issue.
The rest of the world is marginally better at hiding things and 'censoring' people
That's my point.
I mean, it's the one time he's guaranteed to not be named in a sexual assault case, so why not?
Game recognizes game.
😭😭😭 he's just salty
"My computer recently crashed and I've lost all my friends' email addresses."
I think it's more like Epstein specialized in girls
my personal objection.
releasing the Epstein's files will include people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
however, it would be very clear that those people are innocent, and they're will be people in the files that were clearly diddling children.
Either the files should be released in full and the only consequence for people who casually met Epstein and never interacted with him will be some conspiracy nuts harassing them. or at worse censor the list for those names.
Also, just because there isn't a file named "Epstein's client list.docx" doesn't mean there isn't info about his clients.
people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
All it'll do is make a list of probabilities.
If you were caught having sex with an intern, AND you were in Epstein's book, it just has a higher chance. However, he's more likely to go after someone who has been publicly caught.
The black book isn't as interesting as the redacted information in the court papers. Sealed details about the official testimony are going to be far more damning than his little black book.
Also, there may be stuff like flight logs of personal accounts putting people in bad places.
"just because there isn't a file named "Epstein's client list.docx" doesn't mean there isn't info about his clients."
Exactly, this focus on a "list" drives me crazy. If detectives investigating a murder don't find a piece of paper with the victim's name on it in the killer's possession, they don't throw their hands up and say, damn he got away with it.
Epstein's entire business model revolved around having receipts on his clients, that's how he stayed out of prison for decades, and it's why they are covering it up now. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a supressed criminal investigation.
the conspiracy is about who (we know who) and why (we know why) the criminal investigation is being suppressed.
Crazy how Spacey’s career abruptly ended, even though he was acquitted and/or found not guilty. Yet Trump, who has lost his civil sexual assault cases, is the fucking president of the United States and no one will do anything about it.
fucking president of the United States
My pet theory here is that the RNC likes having a populist for election purposes and someone who is culpable that can be ejected if needed. In this case, culpability has to fall outside range of a self-pardon or any presidential immunity. I think the civil cases qualify for that, but I'm not sure.
Spacey would still be making movies now if he’d just preyed on vulnerable women instead.
Dustin Hoffman, Ben Affleck, Morgan Freeman, Ryan Seacrest all have multiple SA allegations that they were able to play down and keep working, but those were all from women.
Most homophobia stems from the fear of male rape, so the usual meninist/MRA crowd who scrambled to defend “innocent until proven guilty” for Russell Brand (3 upcoming producer credits) are nowhere to be seen when it’s Spacey.
(for clarity, this is not a defense of Spacey, it’s an attack on hypocrisy)
Worth noting Spacey is currently on Epstein flight logs that have been released
Epstein's private plane took President Bill Clinton, actor Kevin Spacey, and comedian Chris Tucker to Africa
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-traveled-with-bill-clinton-kevin-spacey-2019-7
That's really fucking funny, if true. (black humor, dead baby funny)
You got a sauce on this?
yes, it is revealing how flexible the conservative soul is when it comes to corruption and perversion, while simultaneously being inflexible about things like compassion, charity and kindness.
probably the severity, and the amount of people he targeted, plus anthony rapps "confession" about him being targeted by spacey. Also movies/shows dont want to be associated with a known pedophile too, so they wouldnt cast him anything anyways.
Why though? Why is it assumed that people will boycott a show/movie if it has a known paedophile in it, while brands/political parties with a mass-sex-offender at the helm are just peachy?
He didn't do it? Oh good, I liked him in K-PAX
Not guilty isn't the same thing as "didnt do it"
From Wikipedia:
Fifteen others then came forward alleging similar abuse,[10] including Boston anchorwoman Heather Unruh, who alleged that Spacey sexually assaulted her son;[11][12] filmmaker Tony Montana; actor Roberto Cavazos;[13] Richard Dreyfuss' son Harry;[14] and eight people who worked on House of Cards.[15] The Guardian was contacted by "a number of people" who alleged that Spacey "groped and behaved in an inappropriate way with young men" as artistic director of The Old Vic theatre.
A judge in Los Angeles this summer approved an arbitrator's decision to order Spacey to pay $30.9 million to the makers of "House of Cards" for violating his contract by sexually harassing crew members.
Yeah he's still a creep/sex pest, just not a child abuser. As far as we know.
Welcome to paid politics
Anything to ratchet up the pressure on that orange toddler is welcomed.
probably becauses hes into male minors. and not female like most of the pedophiles/ephebophiles out there.
Not googling that word
It's just a synonym for libertarian.
Let Gianmarco Soresi explain it!
It's a distinction some make, where pedophiles go for the kid kids, like prepubescent, where ephebophiles want the ones who have at least started puberty but are still kids.
We don't need your help here..
Right? Like we get it, you're not in the files, and you want to remind everyone you were acquitted and found not civilly liable of your own sexual misconduct. But "not guilty" is not the same as "innocent," and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.
But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.
Basically the courts don't matter and all that matters is public opinion? And this is where you launch into a "the courts are corrupt" and "the rich never get punished" or some similar BS?
Kevin Spacey aside, you seem to be saying you don’t support the concept of “innocent until proven guilty.”
Plus he's probably just not in the files because Epstein had young girls.
Also, it wasn't only about the allegations with him. The dude made some bad PR choices as a result of the allegations that made him look like a shitty person whether or not he was guilty.
He saw Stephen King get called a nonce for claiming the list didn't exist and saw an opportunity.
Oh, King's for sure on that list if he's saying that.
Oh no, I thought King was one of the good ones. Is there still some hope? What was the context?
https://sh.itjust.works/post/42235147
If it is supposed to be a joke, it didn't stick the landing
Soup be thickening.
Perverts can sniff out other perverts I guess is the point of this story?
By this logic, we all are perverts since we all know who is on that list.
I have no problem with perverts who seek consent.
Don't know about you but I am a pervert and a goober but ya know what I have standards. Consent being one of them, the other is that I will never stick my dick into a Mormon or Seventh Day Adventist.
He proudly proclaims that he didnt need any help to prey upon his victims
because all his victims died, dropped charges, or dint bother accusing him anymore.
Because they were all male. Female SA victims report at a low percentage. Males are even lower because of a perceived lack of "manliness" from being a victim.
I know and agree with everyone’s anger toward Spacey. But, and hear me out here, if it means releasing the Epstein files, then so be it. Let the man speak. Once that’s done, he can go fuck right off again.
hes probably just trying to downplay his pedophelia by saying "look at these other pedophiles that havnt be outed" he tried this many many times in the pandemic, trying to downplay his pedophelia.
I’m sure his statement will be the thing that tips the scales.
of all the people you'd think would be on the list
Its easy if you have nothing to fear because you are already convicted
Its easy if you have nothing to fear because you are already convicted
He wasn't though, except in the court of public opinion. He's been acquitted or found not liable in all of the cases which have gone to trial.
Oh, I didn't follow it closely but I was convinced he was convicted of sexual abuse. I guess it just speaks about the power of public opinion even if you don't get formally convicted. For better or worse.
That fits with his preference for the truth to come out.
But will Epstein make a difference here any more than winning court cases did to restore Spacey's image?
Or if he beat it in court
Of course you can be convicted more than once for the same crime. If it happened to different victims in different occasions, you can.
Check the list for Rep. Frank Underwood.
In 2017, Spacey faced several allegations of sexual assault and sexual harassment. On October 29, 2017, actor Anthony Rapp was the first to accuse Spacey of sexual misconduct.In the following weeks, other accusers came forward, including actor Roberto Cavazos, filmmaker Tony Montana, Richard Dreyfuss's son Harry, and at least eight people who worked on House of Cards.
In the wake of these claims, Netflix cut ties with Spacey, shelving his biopic of Gore Vidal and removing him from the last season of House of Cards. His completed role as J. Paul Getty in Ridley Scott's film All the Money in the World (2017) was reshot with Christopher Plummer. Spacey has denied the accusations and was found not liable in a 2022 civil lawsuit filed by Rapp in New York. In a separate criminal case in London, he was acquitted by a jury of sexual assault charges in 2023.
For the people who know he did smth, but didn't know what. I had always assumed bit was paedophilia or smth. Gay sexual misconduct was not gonna be smth I would've guessed, didnt even know he was gay. But then again I know nothing of any celebrity's life.
With the number of people from just the house of cards set making the allegations, it feels highly likely he's guilty.
Those allegations began after Anthony Rapp alleged that Spacey, while appearing intoxicated, made a sexual advance toward him at a party in 1986, when Rapp was 14 (so it was pedophilia after all) and Spacey was 27. Rapp had also shared this story in a 2001 interview with The Advocate, but Spacey's name was redacted from publication to avoid legal disputes and public outing.
Spacey stated on Twitter that he did not remember the encounter, but that he owed Rapp "the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior" if he had behaved as asserted.
On September 9, 2020, Rapp sued Spacey for sexual assault, sexual battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress under the Child Victims Act.
In the subsequent federal civil court proceeding, a jury found that Spacey did not molest Rapp and was found not liable on all counts, with Rapp subsequently ordered by the court to pay Spacey $39,089 for the costs of litigation.
Fifteen others then came forward alleging similar abuse, including Boston anchorwoman Heather Unruh, who alleged that Spacey sexually assaulted her son; filmmaker Tony Montana; actor Roberto Cavazos; Richard Dreyfuss' son Harry; and eight people who worked on House of Cards. The Guardian was contacted by "a number of people" who alleged that Spacey "groped and behaved in an inappropriate way with young men" as artistic director of The Old Vic theatre.
Jesus fucking Christ this is bleak.
Heather Unruh
This one was actually hilarious.
They stated that her son was texting his girlfriend while Spacey was "doing the deed". When asked to admit the phone as evidence, they said that they "lost the phone".
It magically resurfaced a couple of months later, but... without the text messages. Unruh admitted that she deleted "some texts".
The only thing that's bleak about this story is how the public hung a guy who seems to be only guilty of giving off weird vibes.
Rapp had to pay Spacey thirty nine thousand dollars.
If you ever wonder why victims don't come forward, think about the humiliation, the accusations, the assumptions, the trauma relived and repeated and revisited and repeated again and again. And in the end, the law says "we won't protect you" and the court says "we don't believe you" and your abuser says "you owe me money."
it feels highly likely he’s guilty
It depends on what your charges are (and I know someone will only read one sentence of this and down vote me but please hear me out.) Is he a criminal? No. Not after the shit show that was his trial. His accusers were caught flat out lying so hard I doubt there is a judge in this world who would've found Spacey guilty. The guy was totally cancelled, no friends with the back against a wall but walked out free because the accusers couldn't come up with a story that didn't contradict basic, easily verifiable facts like dates for example.
Is he a huge, narcissistic slug with a short temper that abused his status to do unethical things? Yeah, I think so. I guess that was the reason he had no allies in any of this. His "friends" probably never really liked the guy and didn't think he was worth risking their entire careers for even if they believed him.
Why am I saying all this? Because it serves as yet another example where the court of the public was way too overkill because of some hearsay. The mob is more invested in their own individual feelings than the facts. "It feels highly likely he’s guilty" really hammers home what went wrong here.
Someone doesn't have to actually do crimes to be a bad person. I haven't watched Spacey movies since all of this just like I haven't watched Cruise movies ever since I first heard about Scientology. Seeing their faces gives me the ick and I don't think these guys deserve my support but that doesn't mean I think they're rapists.
That being said we both know why he probably asks for the release of the files. It doesn't matter if he's guilty when everyone thinks he is so this little PR stunt is a desperate attempt to be on the right side of something and make himself look less guilty no matter if the files are released or not. I have little pity for him but we can do better.
I generally agree with everything you said.
But it's also possible he just wants them released for the correct reason too, PR or not. I don't really understand why the leap is always to something cynical like that as a matter of course. Even if you don't like these people, they are still people
it feels highly likely he’s guilty
And yet he was found not guilty in literally all cases that went to court...
I remember him being accused of touching little girls and his only defense to that was "but I am gay?"
it was rapps testimony that was most damning, plus rapp was already on STDiscovery so it gave him more clout to out spacey.
Guess he wasn't invited.
he's mad wasn't invited to those parties and had to get his own victims
All these moves Kevin Spacey is doing is change search or AI results about him.
This statement and him acting in a movie about a man wrongly suspected of child abuse (The Guardian) seem like suggested actions by a PR firm.
Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a pedo
wasn't sure if any of his victims were minors, so i look it up, and yes, four of them were ages 14-17
Asa stand-up comedian said: "not a pedophile but a somethingphile, although it's a distinction that only a pedophile would make".
How many of your friends are Catholic priests?
He wants to be absolutely sure they forgot to add him to the list.
Unrelated but Voyager says I have you at +39. Just thought that was interesting.
Hey. Shut up. Again.
You'll never unfuck shit.
Bold gamble.
No, no, very unwise.
So Lemmy which is it? Because Trump is a convicted rapist... Spacy was aquitted. Y'all can't have both. Because if you still believe spacy did it then you have to by default doubt that Trump didn't.
Unless you just believe whatever the hell you want to for the sake of convenience but then you guys would just be... Hypocrites.
Incorrect, it's entirely possible for two paedos to exist at once.
guy believes that being a pedo is like the brain cell for orange cats. only one pedo cell can exist at a time and all the pedos have to share it.
Agreed.
My comment is on the hypocrisy of the comment section under this post.
I'm simply pointing out you can't have it both ways, you can't trust the legal system to convict Trump who I sincerely believe committed those crimes. And then not trust it to acquit Kevin Spacey.
There has to be some kind of standard here right?
Either you distrust the legal system entirely or you take it at face value because it's all we have in the United States.
But simply agreeing with something because it conveniently fits your narrative be it true or not is not a helpful position to be in.
Moreover Trump being one of the most powerful and Rich individuals in the world was convicted of rape in the United States Court and Kevin Spacey who's just an actor was acquitted doesn't that lend more Credence to Kevin spacey's innocence?
They can both be shitty people.
O I'm sure they are. I have no great love for either of them.
Because Trump is a convicted rapist... Spacy was aquitted.
Mostly incorrect. Trump is not a convicted rapist. He had been accused of rape and sexual assault numerous times, but has never been faced trial. He was found civilly liable of raping Jean E. Carroll after the criminal statute of limitations expired.
Kevin Spacey was aquitted of legal charges in England and found not civilly liable in New York, but in Los Angeles he could not be charged because of the statute of limitations. In Nantucket, the prosecutor dropped the charges against Spacey after the main accuser refused to testify. In 2019, three Spacey accusers abruptly died, one of whom was in the middle of a civil trial against Spacey.
Ok. Great. Legal nuance aside Kevin Spacey was acquitted and Trump was convicted.
My comment was pointing out the hypocrisy in the comment section.
People absolutely trust that Trump is a rapist and absolutely disagree with the acquittal of Kevin Spacey. Which is a hypocritical stance concerning the courts. Either you believe the courts or you don't.
Spacy was aquitted
Don't his victims die before he can be charged?
The actual facts of the case are relevant I'm just pointing out hypocrisy in the comment section.
I have no great love for Trump nor for Kevin Spacey. I'm just saying you can't be 100% convinced that Trump did it while being unconvinced of Kevin space is acquittal.
Either you trust the legal system or you don't.
Therefore if you doubt Kevin spacey's acquittal then you must also doubt Donald Trump's conviction.
Fuck right off, rapist.
Wow I forgot he was still around. Ew.
Wasn't his name in the leaked black book?
Had the same thought after reading the book today lol
Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and Dustin Hoffman walk into an Irish pub.
The bartender sighs, "Oh no, not Yewtree again..."