InevitableSwing [none/use name] @hexbear.net

1y ago

Not the Onion

Customers are asking for H5N1 milk.

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/HKkxx

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What a complete lack of basic science education does to a mfer
Politicians are like we need to compete with China meanwhile our people are over here like "one bird flu smoothie please"
- Politicians are like we need to compete with China meanwhile our people are over here like "one bird flu smoothie please"
  Oh, man - did that make me laugh! But then I actually sighed. Fuck.
- Site tagline material right here.
Might be a great time to stock up on N95s
- And canned food.
  Hope you have a bidet this time.
  
  Remember you also need toilet paper. The false prophets will come to you and say the bidet eliminates the need for toilet paper, but it's a lie.
  
  !!!
  Your comment reminded me I had entirely forgotten to make a post - https://hexbear.net/post/2523061
- I admire your optimism
- Based on the reaction to them for the last four and a half years I’d say this isn’t even necessary. There will be plenty.
  
  Rather have stuff on hand to get more than have none.
(Not so) fun fact, there are several US states which prohibit the direct sale of unpasteurized milk, but allow the owner to drink milk from the cow, so they exploit the loophole by having buyers purchase a fractional share of the cow so that they can drink the milk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herdshare
- fitting since fractional ownership is one of the key technologies needed for capitalism
- I had no idea. That's fucking awful.
by far one of the worst parts about living in the United States is that you're surrounded by these people every goddamn day
It's just that little bit worse when you remember that cows with H5N1 produce weirdly thick and yellow milk
- I honestly thought you were full of shit...
  cows that get sick with H5N1 begin producing milk that is thick and yellowish
  https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/08/bird-flu-in-milk-h5n1-levels-suggest-asymptomatic-cows/#:~:text=Initially%2C%20spotting%20tainted%20milk%20was,percentage%20of%20commercial%20milk%20products.
- weirdly thick and yellow milk
  That's the extra yummy mucus.
  
  In the States, they can charge extra for that.
Gentle folk of Hexbear, I suggest investing in canned goods and shotguns over the short term
- Can openers are much easier to use.
  
  But not as much fun
  
  Anyone else want a beer?
- why waste space with canned goods when you can have an astonishingly large tub of dried beans instead
  
  Fruit is nice sometimes
  
  Scurvy
  
  Dried grain can get infected with pests.
  
  :beanis-cool:
Is there a place I can find a straightforward summary of the characteristics of this virus? Or is a lot of data collection being stalled by the CDC thus far?
Edit: Why the fuck are we not doing wastewater data? The fatality rate in humans is 60% but with a huge fucking asterisk that milder cases probably aren’t being counted? What fucking use is that? So the fatality rate is “somewhere between 0 and 60 percent and who the fuck knows?”
- It's truly astonishing how the biggest takeaway from COVID rocking the US was that we just don't do public health as a concept anymore
- To avoid a panic. The CDC specifically told scientists that had developed wastewater tests for H5N1 not to start testing.
  
  If we stop testing, we have very few cases
- I get the joke, but talking more seriously, a pandemic disease outbreak anywhere in the world is a threat to all. I doubt it could be contained within one country.
  
  I doubt it could be contained within one country.
  Definiely not if that country is USA
  
  Technically, if someone were to destroy all cars, aircraft, and boats leaving the country, the damage to other countries would be minimized.
Y'know I always thought Nurgle was the chaos god with the worst offer but I guess there are more plague enthusiasts than I thought.
deeply unserious society
- Test [I'm having inbox weirdness.]
  
  👀
  
  Vaxxed?
imagine if you will, the richest society on earth. now imagine it's so sick that citizens voluntarily try to give themselves novel avian flus.
jesus fucking christ
Other raw milk drinkers, such as Peg Coleman, a medical microbiologist who runs Coleman Scientific Consulting, a Groton, N.Y.-based food safety consulting company, claimed the government’s warnings have no basis in reality.
How did this person get a degree?
- Oh hey, I looked into this one when one of my friend's aunts went on about raw milk.
  So basically, she's done research on the microbiota of raw vs pasteurised milk and concluded the beneficial bacteria of raw milk can outweigh the risks for non-immunocompromised people. People can still get pasteurised if they wish. Another argument is that products with a higher fatality rate are still legal.
  However, the flaws in her research don't account for are this:
  If huge corporations are allowed to simply not sterilise their milk, they will do so, meaning raw will be the cheaper product and therefore more likely to be purchased by the average person, who may or may not understand the risks involved. A struggling family doing their groceries will choose the cheaper milk and possibly put their elderly/infant family members at risk.
  Her research is done with samples of raw milk that are a lot more controlled. The difference in risks between a sample of milk from a healthy cow directly into a sterile vessel into a lab environment is vastly different to milk produced en masse under capitalism, where cows are crowded together in battery farms, fed with the cheapest grains available, and milked with the same equipment that's milked a thousand other cows, and all the milk is pooled together where it's impossible to separate "safer" raw milk and contaminated milk from sick cows are then to be cooled and bottled. Her research simply does not account for the corners that will definitely be cut in an industrial capitalist scale
  Dying from alcohol poisoning because you drank perfectly legal 180 proof alcohol is different to dying from H5N1 milk because alcohol poisoning isn't contagious.
- Worse, a degree in medical microbiology
What is it with people named McAfee being absolutely unhinged
Angloids will literally line themselves up to het infected with the Black Death when cases od that start to inevitably reappear.
I'm starting to actually buy into the theory that some nefarious actor is actually doing the whole "let's tell them not to stick their heads in bags and they'll do it reflexsively"
Is it really a coincidence we constantly arrive at the dumbest possible position this consistently?
I swear we made a joke about this a few days ago, hogs really are hopeless
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation
(dont do it)
- reinventing vaccination but shittier
H5N1 has a roughly 50% mortality rate in known cases for humans. It's probably an overestimate but we shouldn't assume it's way off.
So half that would get it from milk die and half would be "immune" for a while lol. Though maybe not even immune to whatever variant might become effective at human-human transmission.
- They're picturing milk straight from a happy, grazing cow earlier that morning, that's been put in a bottle and refrigerated till they purchase it, diseases are freak accidents. Obviously the wise old farmer wearing overalls with a piece of straw hanging from his mouth wouldn't sell you the milk if the cow seemed sick, right?
  The reality would be thousands of cows in cages being milked with the same equipment as every other cow, sick or otherwise, and all the milk gets pooled together and bottled and possibly spends 2-3 days in transit.
"Raw milk"??
i too wish to shit out my insides on an hourly basis, fucking bloodmouths are hopeless
- I thought raw milk simply has an extremely low shelf life and that that was the main purpose of pasteurization. Why did people drink milk before the discovery of pasteurization if it is so dangerous?
  
  As someone who grew up around a small farm, raw milk is not inherently dangerous. We drank plenty of it and it was always fine. However, it’s safe with caveats, if the milk has been collected in a hygienic manner from a well managed farm with good controls (to avoid contamination with salmonella, e-choli etc) and if it’s been collected from healthy cows. Cows can pass diseases through their milk the same way human mothers can through their breast milk. Probably the biggest ones to be aware of (in the uk at least) are Tuberculosis and Brucellosis but there are plenty of others.
  Those are some pretty big caveats. And if they’re not met then there is a reasonable chance raw milk can make you pretty sick (or dead). You may be happy to trust someone else to have the checks and vigilance to be confident in raw milk, but I’m not sure I would, especially from a faceless large dairy corporation. With large commercial herds, there is no way the farmer/s know each cow and its condition when they have so many head to look after. And financial pressure doesn’t push towards erring on the side of caution…
  
  I got a tiktok the other day where a microbiologist stitched a raw milker saying that it never goes bad, just turns into buttermilk you can use in all your pancakes and other baking. She was just baking with spoiled milk.
  In reality you're 650x more likely to get sick than pasteurized milk, 45x more likely to be hospitalized.
  
  Food in the past was kind of incredible in the "I can't believe people used to live like that" way.
Yeah that worked out so well for the British dairy industry in WWI
Praise be to Papa Nurgle! He loves all his children and wishes only to spread his filthy blessing to all!
Is raw milk just unpasteurised or is there more to it?
- Just this, yes.
- Possibly extra yummy? - https://hexbear.net/comment/4908851
Goddamn we live in a neat timeline
Okay, but at least they're talking in terms that would make sense with a sophmoric knowledge of immunology, not flat denial. I'm trying to pull out the positives here.
- Eh, they've always used whatever was around and convenient to reinforce or spread their delusions. There's plenty to cherry-pick out of science to backup basically whatever you want, so long as you ignore the rest of science that doesn't fit your narrative or is even just less convenient. Their (mis)use of scientific terms and phrasing isn't new, and if anything needs to be criticized more than the straight-up batshit antiscience imo.
  
  I know better than to be an optimist.
Do they not understsnd how mutative the flu virus is?

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