Trump Voters Trust Ex-President More Than Their Family and Friends: Poll
Trump voters trust ex-president more than their family and friends: Poll
Former President Donald Trump's supporters say they hold him as a source of true information over their family, friends, and religious leaders, according to a new CBS News/YouGov poll out on Sunday.
Pure brain rot, Jesus Christ.
They prefer Trump over HIM, too.
What does an emo band from the mid 2000s have to do with it
Literally. You can't blame this on people of faith any more...
If you told me 10 years ago Donald Fucking Trump would be the head of the largest American cult of all time...
Just... What the fuck guys? What the actual fuck.
Maybe they're one of those suicide cults?
You could have told me 40 years ago and I would have believed it instantly. Ronald fucking Reagan.
Fucking. Morons.
Literal fascists.
If only Smedly Butler had told us.
This is absolutely grade A batshit crazy, not just your average dystopian batshit crazy.
Not the smartest bunch. Unfortunately, that bunch seems to encompass 30-40 percent of the American population.
Half of all people are dumber than average.
Half are dumber than the median, not the average (although they're probably close)
Trump has made a great litmus test for shitty humans. They even wear hats so we don't have to waste our time trying to find out their beliefs through dialogue.
I feel like there's gotta be some really smart outliers skewing that average
Half of all people are dumber than the median. I am assuming the mean is actually higher than the median so chances are way more than half of all people are dumber than what people normally think of when they think average.
I mean, I know this is probably a joke but you're not wrong. There's only one average person, everyone else is either above or below the metric.
A lot of words to say CULT
My father is one of them. Because of his idiotic glorification and idol worship of trump, my family has told him to fuck off. Haven’t talked to him for almost 3 years now. He even believed the big lie
Pretty much the same for my family. My parents were always hard right conspiracy types but it used to be that they still had something redeeming about them. I don't like to remember the Thanksgiving Dinner of 2009, the last time we got together.
Hey mom I am dating a girl and it is getting kinda serious. Also I finished that engineering degree and loving working in a big city. Plus you know I flew out here to see you guys. Can we maybe talk about something besides Obama being a Satan Muslim for like a minute? No?
same shit happened with my biological half-sister. i drove 16 hrs one-way to visit her. what does she want to talk about? making fun of transgenered people. i left early. never again will i visit her. i rather go to the beach.
Yeah, tore my family apart too. So bad now that I'm pretty certain it's irrepairable. Guess there was a lot of underlying issues but there always is with family right? This shit really just scratched the scab off and the pus came pouring out. Still though, I think family is fragile in many cases and you just make it work, but when something this polarizing comes around it can shift the balance enough to start a casastrophic cascade. The GOP is an ice-9 motherfucker right now. They turn everything they touch into complete shit.
I’ve found political hatred is actually one of the worst traps to fall into. Personally I thought some of obama’s policies were good, although implemented incorrectly. I was hoping trump would be similar, but he turned out the complete opposite. If it doesn’t involve making the rich richer he didn’t want anything to do with it.
That sounds about right.
I have a sister that's the same.
I would have never guessed she'd fall victim to such a thing... she's intelligent and Trump prior to running for election was the type of person she'd despise. I don't know what happened. It's like the person I knew got taken over by a sick, alien virus that's destroyed the person I remember. She's angry, condescending and downright hateful to anyone that tries to talk to her about the lies and real evidence she ignores. It's sad, and I miss the sister I remember.
Same with my father. He was a great guy until he jumped on the Trump train. Now he is a hateful, bigoted racist that thinks if you don't think the way he does you aren't worth his time. I learned my thought process from him where you don't blindly follow someone else. Research, research and more research before you commit youself to something. Make sure you are making an informed decision, hell he is a retired cop, he was a detective, he knows how important it is to look at the evidence and make the right decision. But not since Trump, he even started looking up Qanon shit to base his decisions on. I miss who he was, but I won't join his beliefs just to keep him in my life.
Admitting she is wrong about a single fact would bring the entire house of cards tumbling down... Imagine having to admit you are wrong about everything you have come to represent. It would come with soul crushing pain to your ego, and these people can't confront that.
It is sad to hear how we let the wealthy class and politicians divide us on culture wars and identity politics.
We should be talking more to the people we don't agree with and come together over class lines, working class vs. wealthy class.
Trump and Sanders were both able to create a grassroots movement for a reason.
Talking is the way to get to what we share in common, instead we focus on what we disagree on.
That's a nice sentiment, but there's no talking to these people. They WILL NOT listen to their family or friends. Any information they absorb must be from Fox News, Trump himself, or the other far right information platforms.
They don't live on the same level of logic that the rest of us do and approaching them with logic only angers and confuses them. They become belligerent, obtuse, and steadfast in their views. It can't be broken through logic because it's a cult and they're not operating with logic.
My father is also one of these people.
Unfortunately you are right. But haters and bigots don’t want to talk about bettering themselves, they want destruction of what they don’t like.
I miss the 80’s and 90’s where people had their differences but listened to the other side without whataboutisms or evil rhetoric.
Sorry man. I hope he comes around.
He’s ~ 80+ years old, I don’t expect him to. At least not before he passes away.
I feel like we need some sort of legal protection for circumstances like this. no objective analysis of these people's behaviour would agree that they're acting rationally, and probably can't even be considered to be in their right minds. should we risk individuals so afflicted being able to determine the direction an entire country takes? do they pass out voting forms at mental institutions?
If Americans actually voted this wouldn't be an issue. The problem is the only people who actually vote at every chance they get are these types.
As I understood, that was one intent of the electoral college.
Actually, yes.
I feel like this could be a slippery slope for whoever is in charge and if not done right which is more than likely it'll be like going back in time where anytime someone disagrees with something "you're being hysterical" then you get institutionalized.
it certainly carries risks, but then, seemingly so does doing nothing to address it. I wonder how many people would still be alive if trump had never gotten a first term.
I really think that many moderates and liberals simply don't understand the grasp that he has over some people. This is how post WW1 Germany became Nazi Germany right before WW2.
We can make fun of it. We can complain about it. But what I rarely see is people studying it and trying to understand both the draw and the origins of this deadly attraction.
As much as we want to simply call these people "stupid" or "clueless" (which many people in this thread have already one) but it is much deeper than that. In fact taking that simplistic approach only makes it that much easier for him to recruit more people. The Left is so quick to minimize the hardships that many Trump supporters have faced in the past which might have pushed then to join his cult. If you constantly push groups away and this cult is openly embracing them and saying they understand their pain, then you can't be surprised when you hear headlines like the one for this story.
Well, yeah people call them stupid because they have the most access to facts out of all humans throughout history and yet work hardest to reject ALL of them except those they want to believe.
And I don't think most people were all that quick to dismiss these people's pain at first, in fact a lot of us have felt it firsthand. It's just really hard to feel sorry for people who are proudly bigoted, hateful, and willfully ignorant.
You're right, it's not helpful to call them stupid and dismiss their views, but it's honestly like we have no choice. How do you help and have empathy for people who would make your friends' existence illegal? How can you take seriously someone who constantly screams about problems that don't really exist, and are solely based on fearing people who have no interest in bothering them?
Seriously? Real questions.
Rather than trying to understand their pain, my opinion is that the US right wing voter is under the control of one of the largest propaganda networks in history. The evangelical church, the billionaires that own local TV stations (Sinclair), Fox News, AM radio, and now social media echo chambers have led to a complete epistemic closure of the American right. Facts cannot penetrate that wall. Science cannot penetrate that wall. No amount of Democrat messaging can penetrate that wall. Seeing something with their own eyes cannot penetrate that wall.
History teaches us that this kind of propaganda leads to a very bad ending. Civil war, genocide, authoritarian dictatorship... pick your poison. America needs to find a way to dismantle the right wing propaganda apparatus, without that I see no hope. (I know, doom and gloom.) I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Completely on the dot! A couple of years ago during Covid I landed into the far right echo chamber. The way it happened: I was looking for answers to all the craziness that was unfolding, and found my source for answers. Apparently, it was all just a big conspiracy, and there was a group of satanist elites that were trying to take over the world. Terrifying stuff, and even more terrifying, apparently they had so much power that they managed to gain control of all big news channels! Don't look at the news anymore, and beware of contradicting news sources, they might be controlled opposition! I was in it for about two years and learned about all kinds of weird stuff, Freemasons, MK Ultra, Adrenochrome, Archons, Reptilians, you name it. Recently, through discovering contradictions, I've been re-assessing my beliefs and have come to the conclusion that most of it is nonsense.
The grip is very strong once it's got you. Its whole schtick is in systematically closing off all your access to contradictory information and getting you hooked on sources from the inside, based on fear of the "powerful elites". It's a self-controlling system of more of the same, leading to more and more rigidness and nonsense as you get sucked deeper into the belief. At the same time it is actively trying to gather new members. This is why it can live on so many separate channels, even outside of the internet. No moderators are even needed to control the information from its members, as members themselves already do the job on their own. It's the perfect epistemic loop, and the thought that you're in one won't even cross your mind.
I'm afraid that TV stations, Fox News and the church are not the primary spreaders of this belief. It might not necessarily be spread top-down. The echo chamber can be compared more to a living organism, which self-corrects and evolves based on its environment, to grow and gain members. Scary stuff, the way it traps people looking for answers.
For me the solution has been a new belief system: one where I am aware of the way echo chambers work, and am actively looking for them in my own life so I can escape them, with daily practices and all to assist me in this. A lot of our problems are built on echo chambers that we build ourselves. I've been experimenting with this for about half a year now, with some really great success. I'm making posts about this here on Lemmy if you're interested:
The principles of all echo chambers: https://unilem.org/post/120862
They're not actually in a lot of pain. Their struggles with poverty and drugs aren't fundamentally different than those of the left.
What they actually are is secretly hateful and bigoted, and those beliefs are deeply rooted cultural beliefs for them. Trump just made it socially acceptable for them to be openly hateful like they've wanted to be for so long, and gave them the promises of fulfilling their white nationalist dreams, so they jumped all over his dick.
It's not actually that complicated. I had the misfortune of growing up around their ilk, and have rolled with them for two years because of the lockdowns, so I know the score.
You have a rather simplistic view of this. That might be true for what you saw, but please don't project this to all MAGAts out there. The Left's insistence of always turning EVERY goddamn thing into a race issue only makes matters worse and completely misses a whole ton of underlying causes that we as a society should be looking at. If the Left could keep themselves from getting race-baited for even 10 minutes, we might be able to accomplish something one of these days.
I've been fascinated with how the religious right has stood behind someone so obviously out of line with their 'principles'. There actually have been people doing interesting work on that front, if you know who/where to look. I'd definitely recommend the book "Jesus and John Wayne" by Kristin Kobes du Mez, which chronicles the growing power of conservative Christianity in government starting back in the 40s through the election of Trump, and how electing Trump really was an expression of their values, not a departure from it. Podcasts like "Conspirituality" and "Straight White American Jesus" also try to take an honest look at the cultishness and where it's coming from. What's hard is that deradicalization is hard and often has to be done one person at a time. When we have one percent of the country needing to be deradicalized, maybe we can find people to go talk and make connections with each person. When it's 30% of the country, that's a much different proposition. Maybe society can figure out how to do that better--Conspirituality sometimes talks about how cults differ as leaderless, online only groups. Maybe social media can also reach people... But it won't if kids can't find information online that challenges the worldviews their parents want to program into them.
And recently, that Amazon Duggar documentary "Shiny Happy People" came out, and it's not a bad entry point to understand the issues I'm talking about either. I think it does a good job to show how these 'throwback' values play on nostalgia too act as an on ramp for people to raise their children in--children who are then encouraged to be literal warriors for Christ--or their GOP allies.
The part that is fascinating to this Canadian, is that a lot of his supporters' hardships are increased by the policies of the GOP. The demographic that is the largest recipient of federal social aid in the US is poor white people in the South and Midwest. Yet they continually vote for the party that has a clear policy of eliminating these programs.
Just before 2016, I saw this video that I wish I could find again. This journalist went somewhere in the Rust Belt to talk to these (overwhelmingly white) people. Of course, she got the usual "We believe in God, Guns and Country, and active trying to change that... Yada yada" stuff. But the interesting part was when she had an exchange with some fellow that went sort of like this (from memory):
"So, you've voted Republican all your life?" "Yep." "And in your lifetime, have things gotten better, of worse for you?" "Oh, way worse." "So... You keep voting for the same party, and your situation never get better?" "Yeah. But it could..." "Right, but it hasn't. So why not try voting for the other party and seeing?" "Yeah, but it could!"
I'm not sure how you fix this type of "logic".
I tried finding that video a few times the last few years, and couldn't. Maybe it's time to try again.
I think it's possible that a lot of people don't fundamentally understand what voting does. They see it as more of sports team color than the actual underlying policies being driven by political campaigns.
A decent number of young people around me think (or thought) that voting doesn't matter, that the only way to accomplish anything is through violent, disobedient protests.
But those don't fund infrastructure plans to rebuild schools and give schools bigger budgets. Those don't help people get the subsidized vaccines every child needs to be healthy. It doesn't help establish an impartial body for drawing voting maps. It doesn't help establish rights and minimums for the bottom 35% of families in the US. It doesn't decide public foreign policy or local bus and rail routes.
Voting does.
It's a message our young people need. Voting, and the due diligence and research you need to do to make an informed vote, usually takes less than one hour if you look at all their campaign issues, education, and political depth (did they work for a government before, what positions were they in, what were their accomplishments, etc.).
It is all about messaging.
Republicans are masters are connecting with people and selling them a cart full of lies. These people could sell icecubes to eskimoes.
On the flip side, Democrats couldn't sell a starving person a free meal. It is infuriating to watch. Democrats can make big wins and they are afraid to celebrate them because of asinine "liberal guilt".... because god forbid someone somewhere might not be doing so good, so we shouldn't celebrate our successes. It is exhausting dealing with these people. They will suck the fun and excitement out of a room.
The Democratic party should be acting as the "hype man" right now for Biden's successes as President. Reminding people where we were and how much we have accomplished. They should have been doing this for the last year, but even if they started now, it wouldn't be terrible. Will it happen? I doubt it. They should also go on the offensive and attacking Trump and the entire GOP but Dems tend to be too spineless to ever do that.
Policies of Trump... I don't know. About year two into his presidency, wages went up quite a bit in areas I lived in. Jobs became more available. General craziness was down, except for all those spouting hate at Trump the entire time.
I'm not saying I particularly paid much attention or attribute community growth due to his presidency, but things were getting better while he was president and dramatically tanked a year or two after Biden took over.
Just the general feel of places I've lived over the past 8 years or so.
For reference, I lived in low density suburban/rural areas during this time. May be way different in proper cities.
I don't want to "study" or empathize with magats.
I want to belittle and (electorally) destroy them into irrelevance.
I grew up in a magat household. They're magats because they're fucking morons. I solved the mystery for you - no additional study is required.
I got in a debate once with my mom about the age of the Earth (of course she's a young Earth creationist). I brought up the speed of light - we see things that are farther than 6000 light years, so the Earth has to be more than 6000 years old. Her rebuttal: "What if the sky is like an Etch-a-Sketch that God is holding up for us to see?" How do you reason with someone that believes something like that? Do you really think I if brought up stellar parallax or spectroscopy or stellar evolution that would change her mind?
My grandma, I bought her an iPad 10 years ago so she could get on Facebook and watch YouTube and stuff. Big mistake! Now I have to hear stuff about how Hillary Clinton has been arrested and convicted by a military tribunal and is wearing an ankle bracelet and will be put in prison after the 2018 election. Adrenochrome. Comet Ping Pong. Democrats want to chop off elementary school age boys penises. Bamboo ballets. Mike Lindell. Ballots dumps. Obama controls everything. Porn in schools. Democrats are trying to make us eat bugs.
Prior to the iPad I had probably heard her mention politics like less than a handful of times in my entire life.
She wouldn't get the COVID vaccine... Even though she's 83 obese, arthritic, congestive heart failure, diabetic, and has had two previous heart attacks. Then she got COVID and almost died, was in the hospital for more than month, now on oxygen at home... STILL WON'T GET VACCINATED.
These are not people that reason or think about anything. The only way to get them on our side would be a propaganda network to compete with Sinclair, Fox, OAN, Newsmax, Hannity, Neck, Levin, Shapiro, PragerU, Crowder, Savage, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Daily Wire, Project Veritas, The Blaze, WND, Candace, Jordan Peterson, The Washington Times, etc... And then pump that down their YouTube and Facebook feeds. Unfortunately I don't know any left wing billionaires that want to create competing institutions to these things.
Not to mention the right wing message of simple solutions, zero thinking, and your prejudices are actually a good thing is hard to compete with.
As much as we want to simply call these people “stupid” or “clueless” (which many people in this thread have already one) but it is much deeper than that.
Further, doing so will galvanize their support for their guy.
People like to imagine that making it obviously shameful to follow a guy would discourage people, but if you are open to considering the guy, you just get pissed, dig in, and let your persecution complex run wild. Famously, Hilary Clinton did a misstep in calling Trump followers "deplorables". Which might have been an apt word to describe his die-hard adherents, but a much broader population took that as an insult, that the perception of "it's us or them" had been validated. Even if they didn't believe in Trump "per se", the culture is absolutely support your guy, no matter what, or else the bigger evil other guy will ruin your country.
No one wants to believe they are being conned, that they are being manipulated. That the person they believe in is so bad. In the rare case where someone admits they were for Trump, but now recognize that he is a bad person, they are still likely to face ridicule for having ever been in a situation to fall for Trump's shtick.
Making something obviously shameful is to do so with reason. Telling people they are stupid and being manipulated is not people reacting by digging in, they are just responding to personal attacks. That falls to self-defense. Rational discussions about your own beliefs give others a chance to accept them. Trying to force them is just... Well... Facisim.
I agree. Fundamentally, these folks that support him now are not doing well. It's not the same for everyone. Some are feeling disenfranchised from parts of daily life, some are experiencing undesired change, some are terribly unhappy and don't know where to point their frustration, etc. Trump isn't a likely cult leader. He isn't very charismatic like we normally associate cult leaders. But he came with the right message at the right time and for a very large segment of our population, that message made sense to them. It gave them a REASON for how they were feeling, even if they didn't understand their own feelings in the first place.
When the day comes that the spell is broken, society must be ready to re-engage with these people in a meaningful way. Otherwise we are doomed to repeat it with the next person to show up and given them another reason.
There appears to be a good example of Spain in the 30s before the civil war. Both sides saw each other as the devil incarnated. There was no talking with each other,no middle ground. Bloodshed was the only way they were going to sort it out in the end.
Except that the Left doesn't really see Trump and MAGAts as being "devil incarnate". They kind of do, but they spend more time writing funny memes or posting snarky comments on Twitter than anything else. They are simply not taking as seriously as they should.
The Right sees this as war. Not in political discord and verbal debate, but as an actual fight for survival.
One thing I'd like a better understanding of is the percentage of people that really are rabid Trump supporters vs the people who just voted for him because he was the Republican candidate. I feel like the polls at this point are worthless and we really won't know how many of them there really are until the primaries. Maybe we will get a better view after the debates.
Anyway, I'm curious if you or anyone else has stats as to how many cult members there really are?
I personally don't have a problem with Republicans. l think low taxes, small, government and even religion are a valid world views. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand why they do, I just wish they backed someone who respected our institutions.
They claim about 60% of GOP votes. That translates to about 20% of all voters are hardcore MAGAts. Even if that number is rounded up a little, I would say at least 15% are the rabid Trump supporters you are talking about. That's roughly 25M people. That is not an insignificant number of people. Then there will be a ton of other votes for Trump and the GOP simply because some people will vote for their party regardless.
Now in THEORY I could agree with you that having a party push for low taxes and small government isn't bad. But the GOP hasn't believed that in decades. They might still campaign on that message because who doesn't want their taxes lowered, but there is absolutely nothing "fiscally responsible" about that party and every time they gain power, they prove that.
And that is my personal biggest worry is that if Trump somehow doesn't win the GOP nomination, some other Republican could step up and start singing the same "lower taxes" bullshit that they've been trying for ages but ultimately when they get power they will try shoving religion down our throats, cut abortion rights even further, cut taxes - but only on the ultra wealthy, which will leave the rest of us with even more massive deficits - and increased spending on military programs we simply do not need.
Republicans have proven time and again that they do not deserve support.
You don't see earnest studying of it because both established parties enjoy the "Go Sports Team" dynamic it's part of.
One of the most frustrating aspects of this whole situation is listening to the absolute braindead takes I hear from the left. There's a lot of coastal elitism going around and it almost makes want to side with the magats just out of spite. I hear armchair socialists who have never done a day of physical labor in their lives making fun of farmers while stuffing their faces full of cheetos made from corn grown in Iowa. The few attempts I've seen to reach across the isle have been from the patronizing position of "we need to teach these hateful know-nothings in flyover country about their privilege and how to vote properly", instead of trying to learn why they believe what they do and how best to reach them.
I know that they're wrong. I know this because I was raised in a stable household by loving parents and was given a good education, but I get why they're angry. To be honest, I'm angry too.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I agree that the coastal elitism is terrible, but please realize that that's not something "the left" does. It's something that liberals do. The Bernie-type left generally doesn't do that type of thing, and has suffered similar kinds of attacks from Clinton/Obama liberals for it (ex: being called "Bernie-bros"). They very much understand that racism and misogyny accusations are wielded as weapons by liberals when given the slightest opportunity. As far as I know, this has been an internal rift within "the left" that has severely hobbled it since the 60s/70s, promoting capitalist and elitist liberals instead.
trying to learn why they believe what they do and how best to reach them.
Can I upvote this more than once??
This is very, very spot-on.
And the fact that someone here has downvoted you speaks volumes to the very point you are trying to make!
The Left is extremely exclusionary and in many ways has HELPED Trump more than almost anyone else. Yes he's a piece of shit. Yes he deserves to die in jail, but stop pushing groups away because eventually they could end up falling for MAGA propaganda. We are already seeing reports of how an alarming number of white male teens are joining right wing groups. What does the Left do? Make it worse by calling out bullshit like "white privilege" or calling them "incels" or simply "racist". These guys are just kids and they hear one side that is constantly degrading males and constantly blaming whites... well what the fuck do you think those teens are going to do? They are going to find a group that accepts them. It is so obviously and yet so infuriating how the Left can't see what they are doing.
It's a cult
I got told I'll get kicked out of my own apartment by someone who isn't on the lease if I make fun of trump and Republicans out loud lmao.
Me and my mother are on the lease. Her BF who lives with us isn't . Apparently he'll kick me out of my own apartment (I'm 25 btw. Not a kid.)
So why is your mother dating this douche?
Her mother is just like him
Start slowly adding feces to his food
They would only agree to that if Trump had asked for it and in return he would torture liberals, then they'd line up for it.
He's unapologetically hateful towards "the left" and they love that. He's their vehicle to hurt us which is what they ultimately want as we're all "Goldstein." Reich wing media plays their "2 minutes hate" every day to remind them to hate "Goldstein."
The fact that Jews were the first to secularize in the rapidly secularizing West will be used against them until it can't be. As if being the first means you caused the rest to follow suit. I was naïve to feel surprised about this fact, but it still feels like a disaster.
EDIT: in hindsight I see my comment can be read in terrible ways - I am all in favor of secularization and nearly converted to Judaism a lifetime ago before I started taking Wellbutrin, no problem with Jews here.
Only if their kid was liberal. Then they'd be ok with it.
Where did you get downvoted?
I feel that the (crazy) leftists would support this.
Actually scary.
First thing I thought.
How does 'grab them by the pussy' and 'Mexico will pay for the Wall' make someone trustworthy?
The bravery to be a vocal bigot is a valued character trait with these people. Somehow that is coin for trustworthiness.
Conservatives are subtly telling you that they think dishonesty is a virtue and honesty is a vice. Conservatives are people who love to be lied to. So Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump is a big thrill because he is a pathological liar.
Just like cult members. 🙄
It's terrifying how similar the Trump playbook is to that of a cult leader. Convincing someone that they must trust you over their family and friends is step one to getting them isolated and exploitable.
Exact same thing the left is doing. Non stop telling us how y is good and x is bad. If your family supports x, clearly they are crazy jew natzis who much be eliminated from your life! Get out now!!!
Also, Trump was saying that? I don't remember that being brought up before.
Like this one...
It's called a cult.
Considering that Trump told them that COVID-19 wouldn't kill them and their family said it would, of course they would trust him since it didn't. Those that died of COVID, of course, didn't answer the poll. Survivorship bias!
If your family is the type that goes for trump, then there's no wonder.
They see first had their family and friends are not the brightest bulbs, they just miss he irony.
The only people who told me Covid would kill me is those in power. Everyone else seemed to think it was just another virus...
We also found it strange that we were told it's a major issue for at risk people (duh, everything is), but then sent certain groups, like the elderly, that were confirmed sick back into their communities of at risk folk...
It was a cluster of nonsense. Yea, we want to be safe. We don't want to get sick even if it is minor, but the cluster of clusters was clusterific.
You what now?
It’s because they’re fucking stupid. We already know this. I swear, every news organization seems to like to post the obvious over and over again.
Yeah, but ask them and everybody else are the stupid ones 😂 I can't with what this world has become
Apparently Jonestown was just a dry run.
at least, in the end, they rid the world of themselves. MAGAts want everyone else dead.
I still wonder Jonestown was a hostage situation and the members of the cult were coerced at gunpoint to drink poison to avoid being tortured to death by the CIA.
No, it was a cult.
It was, in fact, a cult. The only people you could reasonably assume were "hostages" were the children that were forced to drink cyanide because they didn’t understand what was happening. You can hear them on the recording.
There were people who left Jonestown that spoke about the practice sessions. Most people were not in any way forced to drink it because they were brainwashed.
They'll take it as far as the pollster wants ask. It's not really about what they believe or say, it's about unwavering support and owning the libs. They know they'll never be tested where they have to choose, so it's just a big game to them.
While this is certainly not far from the truth, it becomes an actual problem if too many crazies assume, they're not alone.
All the people storming the capitol did actually get tested and they "passed".
CBS News/YouGov poll
>.> is skeptical of how many Trump supporters would take a CBS News poll...
With the margin of error at the top of the chart of 7.2% that would (1/0.072^2) amount to a mere 193 respondents. While one doesn't doubt that trump followers are severely demented, this chart (who's percentages don't even add to remotely 100%) is likewise.
Jeeeesus fucking christ. America is one fucked up culture. I feel bad for them.
I honestly think that if not for your MSM, most people would be reasonable. The MSM is abusing people's natural hatred of injustice up to a fever pitch at all the wrong things.
Trump cultists are like maybe 30% of the republicans, making them 15% of the population at best. They're just really fking loud and obnoxious. In the election Trump loses by a landslide. I suspect he'll be in jail (or house arrest) before then tho.
Well of course, we wouldn't want "tyranny of the majority" now would you? /s
Most people I meet seem reasonable until they get behind a keyboard... Or a wheel.
Thank you.
Cult
Religious leaders too lmfao.
That was the stat that stood out to me, and made me wonder if there's something within the "MAGA" mind that explained it.
I would love to see a study on that. I'd like to believe they aren't humanity's natural lower bound of ignorance, cruelty, gullibility, and foolishness.
You’re not wrong at all. We had leaded gas for a long time despite known health risks. The ages match up to back your claim.
Cult 45
It's a cult.
"grandpa, life is hard for young people."
"no. It's not. Life was hard for ME. Trump and fox say young people just need to work hard and save! And that also Biden ruined the economy."
How accurate are polls these days? If you can't call people with cell phones, you're forced to call landlines, and those are owned by septuagenarians and octogenarians who lean hard to the right. It's had an effect on the accuracy of polls, as the recently fired Nate Silver will tell you. His analyses used to be eerily accurate, but then cell phones happened.
So I don't know about this poll specifically (and I think you'd be right when who they are polling if they're calling landlines). But I get polls to my email.
How do you sign up for this? I want to participate in political polls.
The last decade has baffled me. How did we get so freaking stupid?
We aren't. Facists are and they have been here the entire time. They feel empowered.
We are, and if you don't understand that... I mean, it's better to know our failings than to not know them... Or let ego refuse them.
Resentment towards elites who sold us all on a bunch of bullshit. The elites have failed us in nearly every way and that in turn made it easy for a populist like Trump to step in and start telling the lies that a certain demographic wants to hear.
Mind you, I'm not saying that it makes any logical sense, I'm just explaining what I believe happened, or at least a big part of it.
Oh I definitely feel that resentment and it has certainly made me a worse person. The wealthy have done a smash & grab on our economies and it's been destroying livelihoods.
Where I feel like we've become stupid as a species is placing our trust in filthy rich corrupt oligarchs. Many of the politicians we elect are basically getting lobbyist handjobs from big corporations.
We've always been this stupid. It just took some extraordinary events to bring it out again.
This just in, Newsweek discovers the concept of cults.
So when's he going to gather them all at Mar-a-logo of New Guinea and have them drink Flavoraid?
Thats insane I don't trust Biden more than my family and I certainly wouldn't give my life to protect him I might to protect democracy though
Democracy’s already dead, so you dodged that bullet.
Sure if you want to be a defeatist and blame everyone else for not doing anything about the evil in the world
Most of my family are Trump supporters, so....
I put 1300 miles between myself and crazy republican family members lol. I only wish I could convince my mom to move out where I am. She is pretty apolitical but thinks Trump is a crook lol
This is your first ever comment, congrats!
based?
In hungary we have similar thing, but for orban For us there is no way to get out, orban's men are everywhere, even if another party would win with huge majority, they cant do shit, as every department have orban's comrades, and the cant be recalled, or dismissed until their mandate expires (which is 8-9 years
That sounds terrifying, hope you stay safe
Trump voters have friends who aren't also Trump voters?
Not anymore.
Sometimes i think Trump is a conspiracy to make people question democracies, I certainly don’t think its good idea that everyone can vote anymore
Well that's a time the science was wrong bro and since it's changed I don't believe in the science now. I do my own research and come up to my own conclusions even though I spent most of high school in the smoker's pit ditching class. /s
Don't listen to the math elites and the Education Industrial Complex tell you that 2+2=4. You know better! There are 5 lights!
Oh yes, there are some who did the research, performed the experiment and got the opposite result. Then they rejected the conclusions of the experiment and researched some more.
Two words: insanely bizarre
Two more though: patently obvious
I guess there are folks out there who don't have family members in the cult who might be surprised by this, but I'm not sure all 3 of them are going to be newsweek readers.
That’s just sad. And hilarious in a dark way. But now mostly sad.
The DSM should add a subsection.
B3cause they are all fucking idiots.
Probably poorly educated.
Not all of them are and underestimating them is a mistake.
Unfortunately, that rhetoric will only reinforce their stance that they are a persecuted class.
We may think of it as a self-inflicted situation, but they feel the direct personal insult rather than seeing it as an avoidable situation by just preferring some other republican that isn't as obviously corrupt and sleezey.
Unfortunately I know people with Masters degrees and law degrees who believe in this shit whole heartedly.
No probably needed.
It would require someone that deluded to trust him, yes.
Trump voters are some sick puppies, that's a fact.
Trump voters are some sick puppies, that’s a fact.
Huh? Are you suggesting that Qcrazies, Pizzacrazies, Birthercrazies, Sandyhookcrazies, Startthestealcrazoes, and the stereotypical conservative are people who just love to be lied to?
Of all the people to be mistaken for the second coming of jesus, why the billionaire?
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
Right?!?
They have no family or friends just other cultists.
This is the least surprising thing I’ve read today.
It's a cult and they all need to go to jail with him. They can share their own prison.
Pride truly is one of the deadliest sins.
Yeah because they are stupid assholes.
Damn. Who do I trust less? Trump or Trump supporters? That’s a tough one, honestly. At least there’s some level of scrutiny on him.
pure cult shit
It always amazes me someone can trust another that much. I'm not paranoid, but I just never have that much trust in anyone.
Sounds about right. Someone file a bug report with evolution.
Imagine trusting the Avatar of Idiocy himself more than your friends and family.
Can the cholesterol clinging to Trump's arteries hurry up and save us from this nightmare?!
Some people just need something to believe in.
Meth heads
Cult of Personality.
I bet it’s a really good well run “scientific poll”. Nothing meant to create punchy headlines and grab eyeballs.
YouGov is considered one of the more reputable polling companies. They're as credible as any poller these days.
Personally, I choose self choice based on my own thoughts and research rather then let anybody else (especially small groups) influence my decisions. I would be much worse off if I followed inline with my family on many different things.
Cult
they're all going to Hell.. fuck 'em..
Polls are almost always worthless.
When you deeply immerse yourself in the multifaceted realm of political analysis and personal character judgments, it's intriguing to observe the vast spectrum of perceptions surrounding a figure as polarizing as Donald Trump. Some individuals, after a careful and considered examination of his actions and statements, might arrive at the conclusion that he embodies a form of genius, a distinct capacity to navigate the turbulent waters of political and social arenas. To them, it appears as if his trajectory has been characterized by a series of unerring decisions, each one seemingly infallible in its own right. Now, the nature of human judgment is inherently complex, rooted in a combination of cognitive biases, personal experiences, and cultural influences. So, when one posits that they've never witnessed Trump commit an error or hold an incorrect stance, it speaks to a deeply held conviction, one that transcends mere observational analysis and delves into the realms of personal belief systems and interpretative frameworks. It's crucial to approach such assertions with a balance of critical thought and open-mindedness, recognizing the vast tapestry of perspectives that shape our understanding of political figures and their legacies.
Is this like a chat-gpt meme account?
I'd call it a "novelty" or "gimmick" account because a "meme account" should post memes, but yeah. Either it's using chatGPT with a prompt like "write some bullshit about X in the style of Jordan Peterson" or it's actually Jordan Peterson posting some bullshit.
what was all that about??
As people become more deeply entrenched in their faction, the country will slowly tear itself apart. And it ought to. The left and the right simply are not compatible, never were and never could be. Forcing them to stay together is toxic. We need a peaceful divorce.
Watch those Trumptard motherfuckers get violent next year over Trump getting convicted and barred from the presidency. Watch it happen. Hell, watch BLM and the left rise up again if Trump is let off easy or dies before conviction.
Watch. Mark my words, next year will be a bloody one.
Yeah? How many people just completely cut off their family and friends simply because they voted for the guy? Seems like lots of people hold their political party info as truth above what their family and friends think. This isn't news.
If my family or friends hold misanthropical views then they deserve to be cut out.
First comment, drops a frenworld dogwhistle, doesn't look at the article's source, the classic.
Ooh! Ooh! I'll bite! What kind?
Please, do expound.
it’s not a cult, guys
Not even when they hand out the Flavoraid
When are they going to drink it?
I only signed up for the bunk beds and matching sneakers...
It's bleach flavor