3w ago

AOC says Trump's Iran strikes "clearly grounds for impeachment"

www.newsweek.com

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday, saying the move is "absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment."

Ocasio-Cortez ripped the president's action on X, formerly Twitter, and wrote, "The President's disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers. He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment."

On the other hand, Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, came to Trump's side and wrote on X, "As I've long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS. Iran is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities. I'm grateful for and salute the finest military in the world."

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3w ago

AOC says Trump's Iran strikes "clearly grounds for impeachment"

www.newsweek.com /aoc-says-trumps-iran-strikes-clearly-grounds-impeachment-2088887

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Fuck Fetterman that piece of shit.
- Gotta be a some kind of link between brain damage and rabid conservatism.
  
  There is. You gotta be brain damaged to be conservative.
  
  Boomers and Gen X suffer permanent brain damage due to lead poisoning that directly correlates to their radicalized views.
  
  Considering that studies have shown that conservatives have smaller regions of the brain than normal in the areas that are attributed to things like empathy and compassion - yes, yes there is.
- I hope he gets out of politics and gets treatment. I grew up in Pittsburgh and just wince every time I see what he has become. He used to come out to parties in my social group! He was always a spoiled rich kid but this post-stroke John is something else.
  
  Nah fuck his treatment, just get him the fuck out of office. He’s way beyond the point where I care about his personal well-being anymore.
If literally anyone thinks "it's okay that Trump bombed Iran, it was the right move"...
Then couldnt you just argue that "if it was such an obviously right move, wouldn't it have been easy to get congress to approve it?"
It's illogical to on one hand say it was the right thing to do, while ignoring the fact he did it without approval.
If it was so right, then approval would've been easy to get...?
- Trump fans would say he couldn't ask because they'd unfairly block him. And he's a decisive dynamic man who took initiative. Or something
Mussolini got dragged through the streets and him and his gf’s lifeless corpses were hung upside down for all of Rome to see.
Weird fact. Not sure why I’m thinking of it
- There is an old quote -
  "The plight of the oppressed ends with the oppressor. Mussolini found this to be true, as will others."
- 8647
  
  Now THAT’s a PRIME NUMBER
  Thank you for your attention to this matter
- It was Milan. Though I'm sure the people of Rome were more than welcome to go see his bespatted husk.
  
  My bad thanks for clarifying!
- Franco died peacefully in his sleep at the age of 83, a fabulously rich celebrity who was officially mourned by the state for a month.
  
  Spain changed a lot since then thankfully
  
  Is he still dead?
- The upside of that was that it put his fellow conspiritors off trying to follow in his footsteps.
- 🤔
he’s been impeached. what’s another one gonna do except distract everyone while he continues to war?
- If the senate actually has balls, they can remove him from office. Impeachment doesnt inherently carry consequences. The senate determines consequence
  The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, "eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to... no punishment."
  
  The older I get, the more I feel like the Senate is essentially the means through which corporations and the capital class defeat any popular movement. Our Constitution was written mostly by drunk, privileged, rich kids. I think sometimes you can really smell the disdain for lower classes in the way everything is built.
  
  The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”
  Not quite. The first two times were like a grand jury returning an indictment. That's the House's part of the equation. They have a vote requiring 50% of members to vote to impeach the president, effectively indicting him. The Senate then has to hold a trial that which takes a 67% vote to convict him and remove him from office.
  Saying he has been impeached twice but not removed from office is the equivalent of saying someone has been indicted twice but not convicted. He hasn't yet been convicted.
  
  The reason (well, one of the reasons) they don’t do it, is because Trump ignores orders. Meaning: if they want to remove him from office, it would literally come down to sending goons in to physically remove him, and the other goons might resist. It would get ugly.
- With three, stamps, you get a free impeachment.
- Well it's not like Congress is busy approving or funding a war. They've got time.
- IMO this is business as usual thinking.
  The left needs to push for a vote to get Congress on the record where they stand.
  And even if it doesn't pass, getting some Republicans to vote yes would be a big win and a first step towards checking TACO.
clearly grounds for impeachment
...add it to the pile, I guess.
But considering that impeachment is a legal process and that the current administration has zero respect for or inclination to follow the law, it's not like it'll accomplish shit. Dude needs to be deposed by those who have sworn to defend the constitution from domestic threats (the military) not run through some formal process.
- Impeachment is specifically NOT a legal process but a political one. Trump's second impeachment acquittal was based on impeachment being a political process, and that the criminal justice system was the correct venue for J6.
  That's also why the Justice department policy on not charging a sitting president and the SCOTUS ruling that Presidents are immune from prosecution are bullshit.
  
  I mean, in practice, I guess yeah. On paper, it's initiated by a political process, but ultimately it's a criminal investigation. The acquittal was due to the process being wrongfully politicized. In a system that actually followed its own rules, he'd have been indicted and imprisoned for the crimes he's committed against the US.
  The system we have will, at best, put on a dog-and-pony show, call it "impeachment", and try to pass that off as actual justice like it did last time.
- run through
  Sounds downright piratey, but that'll work, too.
Only a rag would quote Fetterman and credit him as a Democrat. He doesn't act or believe what he did when he was elected as a Democrat, his perspective is irrelevant.
- I've watched Fetterman's 180 from across the pond. Don't really understand what happened and what made him flip.
  
  He had a stroke that damaged his brain.
  
  They took him into a room and said "hey, do you want a mountain of legal bribes? If not, we will primary you with that same mountain"
- Thankfully you're not in charge of Iran.
- Sorry but EU is neither a lapdog nor responsible for the disaster you voted for. We aren't really asking for much these days, either. Business is good and new deals with China are boosting the economy.
Israel is quite literally the world’s biggest terrorist nation state. The paper thin transparent spin tactics of Israel’s defenders would be amusing if the results of its terrorism wasn’t so horrifying.
- I'm not sure it's Israel, but they and the USA are vying for that spot.
Keep screaming impeachment when clearly that doesn't work.....he belongs in jail ya know for being a 34 count felon rapist seditionous traitor.
- You know that that also did not work, right?
  
  Yes clearly.
  America is a shit show. Americans have shown they are ok with this.
- This one might actually stick since the Republican party is split over this.
- traitor
  Yeah, that's the problem with Trump, he's not a loyal patriot...
I want him actually removed from office. He was already impeached. Twice! It didn't do anything.
- To get him removed from office, you have to first get the House to vote (50%) to Impeach him. That is actually doable. But then the Senate has to hold a trial and somehow get 67 senators to vote to convict him. That would take every Dem and Independent and something like 20 Republicans to vote to convict. I agree with you, but I don't see that happening.
  The only other way is by using the 25th Amendment which says, in part:
  Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
  Vance and all of Trump's appointed toadies would have to send a letter to the House and Senate saying Trump in not capable of being president. And even if, by some miracle that happened, the next step is for Congress to hold votes in both the House and the Senate needing two-thirds of both houses to declare that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Even if they somehow pulled that off in the House, it would still take 18 or 20 Republican senators to cross over and vote him out.
  I just don't see any legislative way out of this. The Republicans in the House and Senate are simply not going to let it happen. They have too much power and no morals.
  
  Doesn’t matter they should still introduce the bill
- Impeachment is how you do that...
  The house brings articles of impeachment, and term it's up to the Senate to decide whether or not the president should be convicted, and thus removed from office
  
  There's another way, a more powerful way. But I don't think the U. S. people has the resolve to do what their founding fathers did.
Every day the Criminal in Chief commits impeachable crimes. Every. Day.
This is just the latest. But Congress is currently packed with illegitimate, undemocratically placed criminal cronies who face no accountability while shielding their criminal collaborators from accountability. So here we are.
I don’t disagree that bombing Iran puts us at risk of starting a war we don’t want to be involved in. However I think the public is too split on the matter to put majority support behind impeachment.
Conservative circles themselves appear divided with some saying the display of force was necessary and avoided direct conflict (minimizing operational costs), some saying the President is authorized to conduct these actions under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, and some voicing dissent or disapproval altogether of this action.
The War Powers Resolution will probably be the loophole that conservative outlets use to claim that Trump has done nothing wrong. I don’t know if there’s been an exercise of this authority without congressional approval that has lead to the targeted country declaring war as a result. If this were to happen, maybe there will be clear grounds to impeach, but I don’t think the public will display a majority support for it to happen.
- I agree that for practical purposes there is not the support for impeachment. But I do think that every unconstitutional thing he does should be called out with the simple but direct message that 'impeachment and removal is the only remedy to a corrupt and unconstitutional POTUS'. We should say that over and over and over so that takes on its own meaning and the public is ready for it when sentiment inevitably brings us to the point it is actually possible.
Like Obama's action against Libya? 🤔
Look, I don't like Trump either, but this is the same bullshit threat Republicans dropped when Obama was President.
- Agreed. Except Netanyahu, a genocidal prick pulling the puppet strings of the White House for years, didn't goad Obama into that. Obama made that terrible decision alone.
  Trump is a manbaby who's easily manipulated.
  
  How do you know who influenced Obama’s decisions?
  
  We’d have to prove that Trump was inappropriately influenced by an outside power before I support impeachment. Even though my gut tells me he probably traded bombs for a bucket of fried chicken…
- Wasn't right then, and isn't right now.
- If Congress wants the power to declare war back they need to repeal the war powers act.
  
  I'm a bit confused. Isn't the War Powers Act what gives congress the power to declare war, and the president can only do so if the US is DIRECTLY attacked? Someone more educated in US constitutional acts please correct me if I'm wrong, I know post-9/11 a lot of stuff got..."suspended in times of need".
Cool. So since she's a member of the house of representatives, she must have initiated proceedings for impeachment, right?
Edit: I am happy to see that she did (or rather joined in with Al's), and it served a useful purpose of highlighting what posers the rest of the Dems are with their resounding votes against.
- its not a good idea to introduce something in Congress if you dont have support
  
  Can you elaborate on why? Genuine question. It seems like if the alternative is also not getting what you want, then there isn't much to lose?
What are they gonna do about it? Lawsuit? Lmao
One of like 1000 things he's done in the last few months that was either illegal, unconstitutional, "grounds for impeachment", or corrupt. 🥱
- What are the 999 things he's done that are illegal, unconstitutional, corrupt or grounds for impeachment in the last few months?
  Seriously, one would think with a file that big, collectivists would have reacted in some way, wouldn't they?
  
  Just an FYI, there is a tracker of current legal cases against the trump admin (over 280 right now), and this doesn't include much of the daily illegal stuff he does (like this recent attack on another country).
  The tracker also doesn't cover stuff like his scam phone, scam crypto, scam <insert any of the stuff he's selling>, threats of annexation of other countries, using the white house to sell teslas, arresting people he dislikes, and so on.
  There's probably more than a 1000, now that I think about it. And this is all just from the beginning of the year. If you include his previous term, you could easily add a few hundred more. 🫢
Kendrick Lamar "It's not enough." I want him removed and charged for all the harm and civil rights violations and war crimes. No President has ever been held accountable, So you can start with him.
- Nixon was. They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia, but went with lying about adultery.
  
  They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia
  Why? Forgive my ignorance, balkan history is hard.
I like how they pretend if he is not the president it wouldn’t be the same. They lied about WMD in Iraq and went to war in behalf of israel. And the did regime change in Libya, bomb and missions in Somalia and Yemen and not a single word from almost all congress about war crimes in gaza.
Let’s be honest, AIPAC controls all level of governments.
The only issue now, white MAGA, who actually hate Jew, or Russian propagandist are calling him out.
As soon as AIPAC find dirt on them or manage to buy them, the progressive movement will find themselves alone again.
- It wouldn't. Trump can be bought off more easily. Trump literally released a propaganda AI hit piece on Gaza for Israel. Trump is literally illegally detaining protesters for protesting against Israel in universities. People who say Biden would have done the same show how clueless they are, specially now that the differences have shown how stark they are.
  WMD in Iraq? Literally Republicans again.
  Libya? Literally United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. Is the organization constantly getting vilified by Israel by their condemnations of it also part of the same grand scheme in your world view?
  Somalia? Another Republican president.
  Your shotgun argumentation is bad and you should feel bad. AIPAC has a lot of power in the US, but it is not equally present in both parties and it does not manifest in the same way either. The US has bigger problems than AIPAC, but its fascist takeover has probably gone over your head as well.
- Yeah you figured out the big secret. The Jews are the secret puppet masters of the world!
  That or you've become antisemitic. Yeah, that's probably it.
  
  It is you who think when someone says AIPAC means Jew. Most Jew has nothing to do with AIPAC. Read more about Zionism and their history before and after WWII and read more about different mostly Jew who are on odd with the AIPAC and it's Zionist views..
  
  Stop equating protocols of the elders of zion larpers with jews. That is literally some of the most antisemitic shit ever written.
No impeachments until they know they can get a conviction in the Senate, which is highly unlikely.
Besides, an impeachment only makes Peter Theil (Vance's leash holder) the president, then we're out of the frying pan and into the fire.
- Theil is already president, and probably has been for longer than I care to imagine.
  
  Really? What's the proof of that?
- I would be okay with President Vance. We'd only have to deal with him for a day or two before some MAGAt offed him for daring to replace the God Emperor.
Would love for something to happen, but we all know nothing will.
Shut the fuck up, Fetterman.
The US is 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴
Freddie the Lobster says "Just Wait 'Til I Get These Fucking Rubber Bands Off". Same energy.
yeah I'm sure he'll add that one to the pile of "consequences that used to mean something" that he's racked up. great job team. this will be the threat of a threat of a threat of a stern talking to that shows him.
America and Israel are terrorist nations
They tried this before multiple times and it achieved nothing, you'd think they'd come up with a new idea.
Does it even matter, American government and business is soaked deep in soggy dogshit.
It's not getting fixed by political discourse. If you're trying to do it that way than you aren't even playing the same game as the entity leading right now. Understand the game like mob boss and gang leaders. These politicians appear naive... We don't live in that world anymore and probably haven't for the past 30 years. It's the same feeling as seeing mainstream big religious people living in a dream world.
That's not a call for action or anything... It's just realistic observation.
He opened the Pandora Box... get to a shelter...
fuck Newsweek.
Impeachment was never the real battle it was always about Senate driven consequences. In a Republican-controlled Senate, 'accountability' is a one-way street paved entirely for Democrats. Their majority exists to shield their own from justice while weaponizing procedure against the opposition. Until that imbalance is broken, consequences will remain a fantasy reserved only for the left.
@MicroWave The problem is that even if the House impeaches AND the Senate convicts, we then have JD Vance as President. After Vance comes Mike Johnson. After Johnson comes Chuck Grassley. I went 17 levels down a succession list that includes Tulsi Gabbard and RFK, Jr. Impeachment doesn’t improve the leadership situation unless it includes Congress finally deciding to do its job and rein in the rogue Executive branch.
- Senate would never agree to remove Vance until they have a new VP chosen - who requires congressional approval, so they could stop the revolving door of traitors there if they wanted sanity back in the whitehouse
- Johnson only happens if Vance is impeached along with Trump or for some other reason is unwilling or unable to serve as President. If Trump were to be removed from office, Vance would become president and would select a new vice President who would then be next in line for President.
To skip congress, all they need is "something" they can use to say it is urgent. And they do have satellite activity showing a bunch of cargo trucks or what not. So they can hang thier hat on that and say it couldn't wait. That would make it pretty hard to impeach on frankly. So this call is just political theater.
Now as for should we have done it... well I can at least see both sides. Iran has been defiant in it's continued operation of it nuclear program. And all the "talks" haven't really done much. The bombing likely does slow them down at least. Of course the other side to that questions what right does the US have to say other countries can research nuclear anything.
So there really everything about this is in the gray area where logical arguments could be made and debated endlessly about.
- Trump pulled out of the negotiated nuclear deal.
  Trump then said they’re so bad for not making a deal.
  Trump then bombed them.
  There’s no point here where Trump acted right.
  
  I'm not saying he did. I am saying it can be argued endlessly in all directions. Which counters the "clearly" impeachable part. And really, he has done much less gray things he could be impeached on. This isn't going to be the one that makes it happen.
- Are you suggesting that seeing a bunch of cargo trucks on satellites means that it's would have been able to go from no nukes to functional nukes in less time than it would take comes to vote on striking? Cargo trucks and mobilization in a foreign country is absolutely not a justifiable reason to attack. Especially considering the strikes that came before and the evacuation that Iran went through in anticipation of Trump's terrorism. There's naturally going to be an uptick in activity.
  There's absolutely no gray area in this one. There wasn't an imminent threat and he bypassed the constitution by bypassing Congress to attack a foreign nation.
  
  Its not about imminent threat. The "stated" purpose of the strike was to prevent the use of the materials at the site in a bomb. (Nevermind that our own intelligence people said they were still years away originally). But under that goal, cargo trucks could move material to many different locations and make it nearly impossible to keep track of. While there is a lot of BS in there. It's an argument that can be made.
I think it depends. If Iran can be tenuously linked to AlQuaeda, then it's legal.
Edit, I'm downvoted by people who don't even know the laws of their country that have been (ab)used by every one of their presidents for the last 20 years...
- I think it depends. If Iran can be tenuously linked to AlQuaeda, then it’s legal.
  Eh... We know that Iran was harbored AlQaeda, wouldn't be hard to claim that they're still doing it. I bring this up from time to time... While I was deployed to Jalalabad, we never had issues with the locals. Everyone that ever bombed that FOB while I was there was coming over the Iranian border and mortaring us from the mountains, then retreating back to Iran.
  Sometimes we could get air assets up quickly enough to handle them before they got back to the Iranian border. But we couldn't follow them into Iran. Many... many requests were made to Iran to stop this. Didn't stop until the base was closed down due to the pull out.
The left can never pass up fighting a battle they'll lose.
- "He's guilty of crimes. He should be prosecuted for those crimes."
  "You stupid idiot leftists. Don't you realize opposing rich people never works? Just brown nose them so you can become one somebody. That's the real ticket."
  
  There are twice as many NFL players on their standard rosters than there are billionaires in the U.S.
  Mathematically the ~850 billionaires make up 0.00025% of the population.
  The average person is about 22 times more likely to get struck by lightning than to become a billionaire.
  There's a lot of people trying that brown nosing tactic, yet don't realize there isn't room on the roster for infinite members, there is a fairly finite amount of funds, and for someone to move up, the money has to come from others. Roughly the net worth of 5,000 U.S. families given to one person. But in reality, the devaluing of wealth from near every individual in the U.S. so they can have it.
  
  You make progress by fighting the battles you can win. Fighting battles you can't win is all about getting attention and accomplishing nothing.
- Ok Trumper
She keeps doing dumb things (add pronouns to profile, remove them. keep using "latinx"). And sadly I think she's the best we've got. Never trust a Christian. At least she seems to be anti-billionaire, which is better than Mayor Pete.
On the other hand, it would be on brand for America if he got impeached for the one thing he did right.
- So illegal bombing Iran for no reason was right?
  
  We can't allow another NK to happen. But a true leader would take out their evil leadership - the population hates him.
- woke bad
  progressives good
  religion bad
  billionaires bad
  bombing the middle east good
  You're enigmatic.
  
  I'm a logical thinker, no team, solving logic puzzles for 30 years. Everybody else is wrong about most of what they believe. I do what I can.
- Username checks out.
- The mental gymnastics you worthless Trumpers perform to try and justify war are amazing

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