It wasn't that long ago that living together was normal

Your mileage may vary depending on your parents.

It is still normal in many parts of the world.

Anything is better than living with my parents. I'd rather sleep under a bridge.
- As someone who literally slept under a bridge to escape a horrible home, I can confirm!
- boy do i know how that goes.

Also why so many areas are zoned single-family housing and don't allow apartments or other "missing middle" types of housing. Houses require a lot more resources to maintain, including utilities and increased car dependency.

So…. It’s a psyop at age 18, but not at 21? What about 24? When is it not a “psyop”?
Could it possibly be that it was once believed that at around the age of 18 is when people should become mature enough to be responsible for taking care of themselves? No?
Or is it just not enough that the cost of living is going up every year to have a reasonable argument to remain home with family- now it has to be a “psyop” by big banking.
Horses, people- not zebras.
- "Psyop" is the wrong term, but there is some truth to what they are saying.
  During the post-WWII economic boom, the US government was rapidly expanding the highway system, making suburban land cheap and accessible. Developers like Levitt & Sons started mass producing suburban tract homes, and banks favored financing them over multi-unit buildings, due to the GI bill and FHA loans. This is when the "nuclear family" ideal was developed, which was defined as a single generation of husband and wife + minor children living in a single-family home. It was a marketing ploy to sell more houses, more appliances and furniture, more cars, etc. All of this led to more isolation, which in turn led to more consumption.
  As George Carlin once put it, "you don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge." That's the case here. This was just Capitalism doing what Capitalism does, which is sell more shit to more people.
- You're absolutely right.
  This is just something we will tell ourselves to cope with our spiraling quality of life.
  There's enough existing housing and resources for the vast majority of people to live off a single income.
  Wealth inequality keeps all that excess under the control of less than 4000 billionaires that now own most wealth that exists.

I've just spent six days on holiday with some of my extended family, all adults, staying in a hotel with my own room and en suite bathroom. It was great and we had a lot of fun but after less than a week I'm VERY happy to be back in my own home with the knowledge that it'll just be me and my cat in the morning. Maybe some people would prefer to keep living with family into adulthood, maybe I would if I'd been used to it but as it stands I love my parents and siblings though the idea of living with them fills me with dread.

You're overthinking it.
Parents just want their lives back. Plain and simple.
- When your kids are 18+ they shouldn't be impacting your life that much, assuming you spent the time doing things like chores, boundaries, etc as they were growing up. I moved out at 25. I bought groceries, did yard work, helped clean the house, did my own laundry, etc. I don't care if my kids choose to stay with me past 18.
  
  That's the difference between having an "adult child" and a "responsible adult" living with their parents.
  Not every parent has the latter 😂
  There are horror stories of adult children abusing their parents and basically taking over to house.
  But honestly, even with a responsible adult child in the home, it's not the same as having an empty nest. And I'm sure it works both ways with the adults living at home, feeling like they want their own space and not just shared living quarters.
  
  We want to have loud, animalistic sex on my kitchen counter at 3pm.
  
  The key term is delayed adolescence. Having a 19 year old that has a job, does their own laundry, pays their own bills, etc is different from someone who is still on mom and dad's insurance and phone plans, not paying rent, and not buying groceries.
  As an example, at 25 I was working full time and my boss was 10 years older than me. My car insurance went up and I was complaining about it to my boss. Overall he didn't think it was a big deal, but the next day he came in and told me that our conversation had got him thinking. Turns out his parents were still paying for his phone bill and car insurance. A 35 year old man living on his own and his parents were still paying his fucking bills and, icing on the cake, he wasn't aware of it.
  
  We don't fit in our house I don't need all three to leave, but I need one of them to. I don't have an office/personal space.

It's culturally dependent. It is not taboo to still live with your parents in some countries. And considering the housing market difficulties, it is actually becoming more acceptable in places where the practice has been previously taboo.

lol yes wanting freedom and to be away from your parents at 18. A psyop. Jesus Christ.
- I don't know psyop, but a cultural norm to say "when your 18 you're out".
  From the age of 12 on, not only did my parent say this habitually, they also stopped parenting completely.
  It was a common theme of rejection in my house. I could have been the perfect kid, and tried, but I'd still here "you're gone when your 18". Never mind I didn't even graduate Highschool until I had been 18 for a few months- it was habitual rejection all through my teens, and to me, sounded like, I'm done parenting you and I don't want you in my life past the years the government madates I take care of you.
  Shit hurts. My husband's parents weren't like that, some of my friends were, some of my friends weren't. You can tell who's doing better now, and it's not the kids who were told they were out at 18.
  If you don't intend to help your young adult children through their early start, especially today when it's so hard, don't bother having children.
  To add, I got kidnapped once by a mentally ill "friend" off their meds when I was 20 years old. At 6:00 in the morning I was able to make it to my mother's door. When I knocked, she said I needed to deal with the consequences of my actions, And she didn't want to deal with this. So I had to get back into this person's car. My mother rejected me and my plea for help. I had just asked to stay at her house until the first bus ran to go home because I was in trouble. She said no and slammed the door in my face. I got back in the car, and a few hours later, I had no idea where we were. The man stopped stopping at stop signs because I kept trying to jump out. He locked me in the car. Eventually I was able to escape, and the police were called, and I couldn't call my mother for help. I will never do that to my children. Her consequences for her actions now are 15 years now of no contact.
- I'm 42 and my parents recently moved in with me. Someone killed me.
- I mean the real psyop is that they'll deteriorate your parents mental fortitude and strip them of ability to actually foster good nature in you. Instead being sold off to the cheapest daycare so that they do it because if they divide you, you cannot form that close bond.
  Why do people still think it isnt intentional, they dropped crack to experiment on black people and discovered that division was extremely profitable. Insight violence and you indebt people, create false expectations so that reality feels deceptively depressing rather than just reality. Sell them the right to feel good.
  Pain means profit, to try and end it would mean the world would have to accept an order. Want and pain are one in the same. Want your own rather than wanting to overcome the muddied mess that has become, rather than unravel and detangle the horrid clump of things unsaid, actions undone and regret unending. Then again, every person loves to be in their own world, rather than share it. It's why games, ai, and social media are so popular. You get to share the perfect details only on social media, the perfect picture. You get your perfect world with nothing but your will in virtual escapism. Ai lets you have a friend without being likeable or having to extend yourself beyond your comfort zone.
  Just remember, family is those you can truly love unbridled. Get through the mess, and clean up together, thats the only way to know who will stand with you as the dust settles. Blood family is a born luxury, however it is not your only family.
  Family structure is supposed to create a division of labor with age. By uniting needs you take cost effective measures to guarantee content survival. However, the young are illusioned by the concept of freedom, while bound by mortal servitude. Like a beast confused by a mirror.
  Capitalism is the idea of individual gain, over communitarian gain. C'mon man every cult, church, and benefit society like the freemasons structures like this for a reason. Your commune is supposed to be a structure you can fall back and rely upon. Thats why tithing exists. It's to tide you over until you are no longer in need, however you must adhere to social expectations and responsibilities as it is collaborative effort. (Sadly corrupted by capitalism most places)
  Ape together strong.
  
  Jesus that’s a lot of words. I stopped reading when you brought the crack epidemic into it.
  Godspeed.
- Most people in most of history don't want that. Or at least not enough to make their life immeasurably worse.

I think it's more complicated than that , I immensely despised living with my parents and even if it was unaffordable I didn't want to move back even though I did a few times
- Yes, that's the psyop working
  Imagine your preindustrial ancestors having this feeling
  Damn I really struck a nerve. My preindustrial ancestors would have shared a house between three generations, like most humans across the world and throughout history
  
  My pre-industrial ancestors would have been dead from what is now preventable disease or mutilated by slave owners. 🤔 But assuming they weren't I'm pretty sure they'd be in a better position to move out since they'd probably know how to build a house and would have a community to help do it.
  
  My preindustrial ancestors would just murder their parents, hell my one of my industrial ancestors butchered half of their kin for being early lost causers.

Remember, just because someone posts something on the Internet with confidence, doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.
A lot of people really need to stop taking advice from Twitter/X, Facebook/Meta, Reddit/Lemmy, etc.
Spare me the predictable reply "but why should I listen to you" or any variation.
- Username checks out

My mother's family was similar to this a few generations ago, 4-5 generations used to live in one house in Midwest USA. Their home spread from one city block to another. That said, I cannot imagine living in a <2500 sqft home with my parents and my significant other. My SO would go Thunderdome on my Mom and my dad would be freaking out on the sidelines.
I have a coworker who is engaged, he lives at his parent's place and his fiance lives at her parents place. As someone who lived without my parents (even if it meant having roommates) since 18, I cannot at all understand long term living with parents.
Communal family living was a thing in the past because modesty, temperance, and christian values were expected norms. If you want to be a puritan, or don't have familial shame, then do whatever you want. For me, I'm gonna have my privacy and peace.
PS: My coworker can't spend the night with his fiance because her parents are mega religious. He can either sleep on the couch or go to his parent's place. Likewise, his parent's won't let her stay overnight at all because they aren't married.
- Communal family living was a thing in the past because modesty, temperance, and christian values were expected norms.
  Most of human existence have communal family living... it wasnt until the last century were it became common place to leave the family because we no longer live in an agrarian society and work can easily be found away from your family home.
- I think the space you're referring to is a big point. We don't build generational family homes. We build single family homes.
  As with so many things, we can't have nice things not because "people are doing it wrong", but because we don't have the infrastructure for it. -walkable cities -public spaces
  reliable public transportation
  climate change
  
  Exactly, I don't know how big that place was in modern context, but from what my mom said the home had doors on opposite sides of the city block and upwards of 20 people lived there from ages 1-90.

I wish this was our problem. Of course, there should be no shame in living with your parents. But it should be out of free will, and here in the Netherlands sadly that isn't the case for many. Our housing market simply doesn't offer affordable housing options. For many young people the only option is a rental apartment that will cost you so much, that if you can afford it at all, you can forget about ever saving any money. Which means that you'll effectively be stuck in this situation forever. Which is an option to consider, but meanwhile those who can afford to buy a house, because of rich parents or whatnot, they have a far better deal, often even paying less on a monthly basis, while at the same time their house increases in value. It's a major dividing factor in our society, separating the rich from the poor. Of course staying home is another realistic option to consider, and more and more people make this choice, but only for lack of a better option. The real tragedy is of course when staying at home is also not a realistic option. A fucked-up housing market makes the vulnerable all the more vulnerable.
- this is basically what it’s like in america… including the infuriating fact that people’s mortgage payment on a home is usually less than rent… but the man won’t give you a home loan so you’re endlessly a wage slave and paying rent.
  landlords even brag about how smart they are by paying their mortgage directly with the rent… like they have a free house hack… forgetting that someone is forced to pay to live….
  the only good way to beat it i know is to buy a foreclosure home for cheap and fix it up… but even then you need a good chunk saved up and it’s risky

Its because the US excluded housing appreciation from the CPI, leading to lots of cheap debt all over the world that gradually bid up home values via the cantillon effect. Its now called owners equivalent rent, and its ridiculous.
Exporting all our production to China also helped dropped rates via deflation, though housing being excluded allowed it to simply flow into housing instead of achieving prosperity.

I'm in the party that thinks if you have a full-time job you should be able to afford a home
- Both can be true, we can put pressure on all fronts
  Also homes could be way cheaper if zoning were fixed, density were legalized, and property taxes were retooled into a land tax
  
  I dunno about America, but Australia has the problems you listed, but we also have problems with tax incentives to investing in housing rather than investing elsewhere, which also helps push up property prices by increasing demand without affecting supply.

And then turn around and give massive discounts if you buy bulk, raising the cost of living alone to almost double to that of a couple or small family.

I would need dramatically more distractions and mental health if I had to live with my parents still

I came back later when I realized family is important to me.

No THIS POST is a psyop to help normalise the idea of generational family living at home again so that we'll swallow the ungodly recession and poverty that will be brought upon the entire working class; should we not agree, as a global unit, to Tax the rich and restore wealth to the Government, Middle and Working classes and out of the hands of Billionaires. Fuck this post.
- I mean, the us government put out multiple PSA style propaganda videos after WW2 pushing to reshape how Americans lived into the nuclear family unit that mostly lives in suburbs like we see today. It was a concerted effort, and only kind of worked due to the unprecedented prosperity of post war America
- Anytime anyone suggests we need to decrease consumption people complain that it's a plot by the rich to get us used to poverty.
  we should eat less meat
  The elites are trying to make the poor eat bugs
  we need to drive less
  The rich are taking away our freedom
  we need to live in denser housing
  The rich are trying to force you into a shoe box
  You know what the rich really want?, consumption. They want you buying as much as possible because that's the way we get growth and it also makes it so you have less savings and are more dependent on your job, and less likely to make demands or quit.
  I agree we need massive wealth redistribution and consumption by the 1% is magnitudes more harmful then the rest. But the current american lifestyle of heating and cooling an entire house for 1-2 people in a sprawled out suburb where you have to drive everywhere and have meat with every meal is not sustainable either. We need to reprioritize what we value as a society, deemphasizing individuality and private ownership and moving towards community.
  
  You know what the rich really want?, consumption. They want you buying as much as possible because that's the way we get growth and it also makes it so you have less savings and are more dependent on your job, and less likely to make demands or quit.
  
  We have to do that as free equals, not the family hierarchy system
  
  No, not anymore. We exist in a post-capitalist world. Capital used to be the output, whether that's labour, or a trade, or a craft that's what capital is. Now, we are the capital. Google is a search engine that made billions selling your private data to amazon, whose effect on the global economy has massively accelerated climate change. Google maps records your phone calls, they copy and scan everything from your phone. Every free online pdf converter, every image editor. Most of all computing and all of the resulting data is collected in the browser. Every app on your phone, generates data points it sells to Google, Amazon Web Services, Meta and all of big tech. The clearnet has shrunk drastically to only a handful of companies. They use this data to profile us, socially engineer us. Your thoughts and opinions are not your own, they are what you have been trained to believe. Advertisers and sellers pay rent to Google, AWS and meta to remain on their platforms so that they have access to us. The rich don't need us to spend anymore. When you are worth more than the GDP of entire continents, when less than 3000 people have that wealth, they seize control to install themselves as our rulers. Why do you think Jeff Bezos, Zuckerberg and Alphabet have said nothing despite reportedly losing "billions." Because when money becomes meaningless, you go mad with the power to use it to control people and reshape the world into what you want. That is why being a Billionaire is a mental illness, because when you have access to literally everything and anything at anytime you want. You relate to no one, because they exist to please you and you value nothing, because you struggle for nothing. The people who want you to spend aren't the rich, they're the farmers that rent the land from the lords that own it. Who will never need money again.
  
  That doesn't track though. Consumption is just a vehicle for the accumulation of wealth, and is easily wielded as a weapon once it stops being effective. Like, if they were truly in favor of consumption, the whole avocado toast thing would have been encouraged instead.
  
  We need to reprioritize what we value as a society, deemphasizing individuality and private ownership and moving towards community.
  Except... how do you do that?
  Write a book?
  Post on social media?
  There's nothing actionable there. Vaguely encouraging people to consume less will literally do nothing in the face of endless advertisements and algorithms.
  There is no way to change the mass behavior of human populations without doing something direct... like addressing the fact that the wealthy are hoarding all of the wealth.
- It can be both.
- i suppose you're one of the people who insists that they are always right solely based on the fact that "it has always been like this". i.e. you claim "it's natural that we all live in individual houses", though that's actually a fallacy:
  people are naturally tribal animals and we used to live in rather large groups of around 30 people or more for most of human history. it's an incredibly young thought that people live in 4-person homes. (i couldn't track down the exact time when this started but it must have been sometime within the last 200 years, i guess.)
  what are your actual arguments in favor of the single-family home?
  
  I don't think we should incentivise single family homes but I also thing people shouldn't be stuck living under the ownership of their parents. You know it won't be an equal relationship even after age 18 the dominate continues as long as the dependence does
  
  Sure, I can contextualise this with the fact that every single year since the 2008 crash the economy has worsened as the mega rich have collected massive amounts of wealth. Wealth extracted through endless advertising and social engineering, across every single denomination in the world while paying basically zero tax through exploiting tax loopholes. This forces every single country's central bank to print more money which drives inflation. Which is absolutely meaningless to the absurdly wealthy because billionaires will notice no change whether it's 50 dolllars to fill their gas tank or 5000. If we continue as we are now, generational living will become absolutely necessary for everyone because in 2 generations the wealth gap in the west will grow to resemble some of the poorest parts of India. This is reality, there is a reason 2 working adults with full time jobs cannot afford a 1 bedroom apartment in san francisco and homelessness is rampant. It's why it's 1.2 million euro for a fully-attached, 1 bedroom bungalow on the South Side of Dublin city. As the rich acquire more and more wealth they will out compete us all for resources, for our homes, food, politicians, countries. It is why most millennials will never retire and it's the reason for the rapid decline in birth rates across the globe. The internet and social media have been nothing more than a giant skinner box, used to redirect your ire away from the Billionaire class and at other members of the working class. Be that racially, with immigrants and asylum seekers. Or, politically, left and right. Wake up comrade.

The real reason your parents want you out is so they can fuck everywhere in peace and bring the kink back into their life. Kids are the ultimate mood spoilers.
meant in jest, you're all lovely
- Other way around too. One major reason why the current cohort of 18-25 year olds aren't getting any is because no one wants to bring someone back to their parents' place.
  
  USA needs love hotels like elsewhere (Asia, LatAm)
  
  When I was that age we fucked anywhere, no need to go home for that... Unless the old folks were away for the weekend of course

Asian families: what do you mean "leave"?
Seriously, it's not a bad thing to stay until you can afford to leave.

Here's the thing.
It shouldn't be stigmatized, and it shouldn't be something that's any of anyone else's business beyond being an interesting fact about a person. Just one more nugget to find.
There's no single right answer for everyone.
Families are fucking complicated. Some of them, you could happily live together your entire life. Others, you might need a giant house and you'd still have friction. Some, you don't even want to be in the same state, much less share a house.
It is, however, true that as the number of people in a group increases, the work required to maintain healthy relationships increases exponentially.
If there is not parity between those relationships, it multiplies the effect. Which means that everyone involved has to be willing to adapt and change over time for things to stay hair and healthy. When that isn't the case, the household is going to split in some way or another, and that usually means someone leaving is essentially necessary.
Think about it. Two people that love each other have work to do to maintain their relationship, be it romantic, friendship, parent/child, siblings, whatever. You add a third person to that, and instead of one relationship you have 4, not three. Because each individual relationship exists, and now the three way one does.
Now, think about two people starting a family. Say they only have one kid. The kid becomes an adult, with adult needs, responsibilities, wants, and habits. If the parents keep treating them like a child, dissonance will occur in most situations.
Now, have that child get married too. You've now got 4 individual relationships to maintain, the original triplet, the new triplet with the spouse and parents, plus a triplet with each parent, the child, and the child's spouse, then the quartet.
That's a shit ton of work. You've got all those people having to compromise, adjust their habits and remember boundaries. That's not something where everyone is going to major the optimum decision every single time. It's impossible almost, though if everyone puts in the effort roughly equally, it can be maintained for a lifetime.
Now, the second couple have a kid. Map out those connections and the level of difficulty spikes hard.
But, as hard as it is, if you find someone that's living in shared space, people still assume there's something wrong with the younger adults involved. And there may be, but it isn't a certainty the way people assume it will be.
There's benefits and drawbacks to every option when it comes to how a family lives, be it centralized, spread out, or fully disconnected.
Now, I've done all of that. At various points, I've lived with my sibling and parents as an adult; we've all lived apart as individuals, we've lived as duos (though not in every combination), and I've had two partners that lived with me during all of that, and a best friend that was there through damn near all of it, and his husband for a while, plus my kid in the mix.
At various points, different people owned the house, even though it's been the same house that I grew up in for most of that. It was originally my dad as owner, with my mom having her share of that as a spouse. Then they divorced, and my dad got the house and my mom got a big check. She still lived here, but that's a separate thing. Then my dad fucked up, and me and my best friend bought it. Now, I'm the only one on the mortgage.
The dynamics of that meant that the "power" shifted as ownership did because at the end of the day, whoever is on the mortgage/deed has final legal responsibility, financial responsibility, and that means having final say on some matters, no matter how democratic everything else is. That creates an extra dynamic on top of all the others.
I can tell you for sure that it takes work, hard emotional work, to navigate every iteration of that. When that work isn't being done by everyone, shit can get bad fast.
But it's also amazing. The amount of good in it is mind boggling if you take each family unit being apart as the goal that is the only measure of success. When everyone is clicking along, and there's equity between everyone, gods it's beautiful.
Just on a practical level, everyone with income had more left over than they otherwise would have, and none of us have ever had to face the bad times alone. We've had each others back more times than I can even count (I tried, and I kept remembering more until I gave up, and I was creeping on triple digits where the level of support was part of at least one of us making it through).
And on the emotional level? It can be chaotic, yeah, but if you don't know the goodness of being able to just hug your dad any time you want to because he's just in the other room, I'm sorry. Right now, I can go hug my dad, and don't have to leave the house. He'll laugh, and ask what's up. I'll say "nothing, I just love you", and then we'll get teary eyed and he'll say it back, and then we go about our days.
It isn't for everyone. But gods damn, it sure as hell isn't a bad thing to try either
- Wow, what a write-up, this is lovely.
  I've also been in a lot of the situations you're describing and ultimately became the person providing shelter and stability for others, too (of course it's far more complex than such a simple statement, as you know).
  We've never made those arrangements permanent, it's always been phases of some years where people who've needed it most have come and then gone when they're ready. To be clear we've never kicked anyone out, nor (many years earlier) have I been kicked out, nothing like that. I just suspect the genetics in my family make it very difficult for us to be told how to live by another for long, no matter how reasonably or gently, lol.
  For instance my pops having to ultimately be subject to my rules (I just mean in the ways you described) was eventually too much for him and he made the necessary steps to move on, and the relationship stayed healthy.
  Like you said there's lots of different ways to do things and the most important part is that everyone's dignity is preserved, and everyone involved is prioritizing each other person as best they can in addition to their own needs, which is hard to do.
  I'd be open, perhaps, to a more unconventional long-term arrangement with several of the family members in my life (including chosen family), especially as the world gets harder and harder, but I'm also content to be a temporary place of calm and respite for folks as I can.
  And like you said, the mutual give and take that's involved is everything. With the right people, anyway - I have to acknowledge there's a broad swathe of folks I'd never want to live closely with and who I expect would be largely uninterested in compromising and prioritizing the well-being of others. Quite unfortunate for folks who grow up surrounded by too much of that.
  
  That resonates a lot for me :)

Yeah I'm not living with my mom thanks
- Generational conflict is the other major factor. If the generation above me weren't so difficult to be around it wouldn't be so hard to imagine.
  
  True. You generally aren't treated with respect when you live under their roof so you gotta get out
  
  I have the idea that parents are difficult to be around (especially towards their own children) to push their children "out of the nest". I.e. it is not a natural "defect" that parents stop being acceptable people once their kids turn into puberty, but rather a feature of nature that is supposed to push teenagers out into the world to explore.
  In other words, it's a behavior that is meditated by signals: The parent gets the signal "my child is old enough to explore the world by themselves now -> push them out of the house". That would imply that the signals can be identified and eliminated or reprogrammed to make parents more acceptable for their kids. Just a thought.
  My guess is that if it were naturally preferable to keep kids in the house (for example because it's too dangerous to go away from the house), then maybe parents would adopt to not push their children out of their house anymore.
- What if you were neighbors? My family has talked about how cool it would be if we had like a family cul-de-sac
  
  Hell no. I moved halfway across the country to get away from them, and it's still too close.
  
  That can work for some people, not for me though. I want some distance.
  My parents live about a half hour away, and that's a good distance: close enough that we can visit frequently, but far enough that we can claim we don't have time. It works for us.
  
  I like the idea of doing a commune, preferably with better urban planning than a cul-de-sac
  
  My mother in law lives next door and we love it because we don't have to worry about her but still have some distance

Me, my pregnant wife, my retired dad and my working brother all live in one house. Belgium
Can we afford to live in 3 houses? Yes.
Is it necessary? No.
The house is paid off. One house is being heated, ...
Me and my wife save up about 2500 euros per month. My brother saves up even more because he's spending literally nothing. He saves up his entire paycheck.
Building generational wealth is pretty fun. My parents worked for us. Me and my wife work for our kid. I got basically a house as inheritance in a great economy. Our kid will have a house + investment portfolio (Stoxx 600, gold/silver, ...)
Our biggest "waste" of money is traveling. I don't even have a car, just using my taxes to have a long tail e bike that does the same shit.
We have 2 cars on the property, they barely are used. Literally one is being used to drive to train station. The other one for the grocery store within 2 km. It's good that one of those two is a company car, otherwise gigantic waste of money.
Our household (my wife works 14 hours per week ATM). Earns a net income of: 9300 euros.
Include capital gains of like 4%. It becomes a total of 13300 euros net "income" per month. An e bike valued 9,5k euros. An electric car.
All because we are mentally stable enough to live under one roof.

While I totally agree that it shouldn't be stigmatized, "psyop by the central banks" is absolute fucking lunacy and there isn't a single shred of evidence to support it.
- But muh violent revolution against the capitalists!!!
- But it is. Just like the diamond industry pushed the whole wedding ring bullshit. Just follow the money. It's all the corporations wanting to bleed you dry.
  For some it's getting you to live alone, for others it's to send you into the military to fight for their interest.
  It's all the same bullshit. It's never a straight line to THIS guy did it, it's just the neutral emerging result of capitalism gone amok.
- there isn’t a single shred of evidence to support it.
  Well, to be fair, what would such evidence look like? Would you like to see secret documents (conveniently found in a rich banker's living room) that detail that single-family homes get easier credit benefits so that more people buy them? I'm afraid that kind of proof will be difficult to get hold of, if the banks or whoever might be behind it don't show it to us out of their own free will.
  Who would look for such evidence? Who can pay for a search after that evidence? The banks won't investigate themselves and find that they manipulate people.
  As such, it is directly natural that there is no proof. That doesn't automatically make it wrong though, just without proof. The question is: is it likely? is it perceivable? is it consistent?

Maybe the kids also want their privacy? If you don't own n old house with thick brick walls between the rooms, you are basically unable to casually have sex without all adjacent rooms hearing you.
- Guess what else used to be normal in societies where large families lived in one building.
  
  Hourly motel rooms?
  
  Not the kind of sex I want to have ;)
  
  Love hotels?
  
  Walking around your own house naked?
  
  Sharing is caring.

Depends on your family.

I made 10 bucks an hour in 2007 and had a one bedroom one bathroom apartment for $475 in a college city.
Living on your own was possible 18 years ago.
- I pay more than that and live with six other people. We have a house but rent is fucked.
  
  That same apartment I lived in jumped to something like $750 immediately in response to the crash. It now rents for $1300 last I checked. Same little end unit next to the dumpsters.
- These days $475 a person crammed into an apartment with more people than bedrooms is a good deal. It's shocking to hear about how within just the 21st century it was possible to afford housing

Multi generational households are known for their lack of privacy and personal agency. You could not pay me to move back in with my parents. I don't even stay with them over the holidays because it's that bad. The banks did not have to brainwash me on this one.

Normal =/= desirable. Maybe some of you don't mind spending your life in a miniature royal court with your parents as monarchs, but I couldn't wait to get away from it.

YES thank you, finally somebody says it. I couldn't muster the motivation to make this exact thought into a post yet even though the idea has been going through my head for a long time.
Of course, if every person uses their own house, you need lots of houses which "stimulates the economy", i.e. it shifts wealth from the pockets of the workers into the pockets of the construction companies, up from where it goes partially to the owner's pockets, partially to the wages. Yet with every iteration of the game the owners grab a bigger and bigger piece of the wealth, until it is all accumulated uphill. Consider:
- It's a bit thick on the wages and thin on shareholders but the concept is right

This is less a psy-op thing than it is a product of Western society's history - and I don't mean it as in "capitalism is bad and everything I don't like is caused by it", but literally living in such individualist society makes people live or want to live in smaller groups as much as they can afford it. And it dates before capitalist rise, in my opinion.
However... I don't think living in smaller groups, like living alone or with a +1, is inherently a bad thing. As people said here, there may be multiple reasons one would like to departure from their parents' house, a lot of them are genuine and to have this option is a good thing. What I see as a bad thing is that each house is meant to be a world by its own and in some places and contexts we don't have any community bond. This phenomenon contributes to anomie in Durkheim's sense, in my opinion.
- One reason why I want to have a house to myself: organization. I live with a hoarder and a slob, which means the kitchen counters get filled with random stuff, and the floor has tripping hazards. Plus the generally unsightly nature of just having stuff jumbled about. While I am not a clean freak by any means (DUST!), I would like to properly shelf things or to walk around without surprises.
  There are some things you can't really fight, one of them being wealthier relatives who own the shelter you reside in. So long as I am stuck in my current residence, I cannot have peace of mind beyond my room.

So many reasons for parents to give a big push when the children are 18.
So many reasons children want to get out at 18.
- Yeah, no psyop conspiracy needed.
  
  Plus isn’t the normal first living experience after leaving home with a bunch of roommates? It’s not 1:1
- Yeah, well, no harm in waiting a few years more
  
  I've left my parents' house at 17 and now when I look back I believe this was the best year in my whole life. Why wait?

Shame my house would be pretty crowded in that situation. Although those pod bunk beds look fucking sweet and could work.
It's certainly cheaper to get the pod bunkbed that will make any child scream with excitement than it is to buy a larger house which will leave them bored while all their stuff is moved and likely move them away from their friends.

10 extra... How many fucking kids did you have, and then you'd want them to all stay after they are 18???
- I believe they were going for 10 extended family members. e.g. 4 grandparents, 2 "adults", 4 kids. Kinda like this:

Unfortunately I can't live with my parents. I probably won't have kids, but if I do, I doubt they could afford to live anywhere else. Not unless I leave the US. It's rough here.

Indirectly, maybe.
I also think it’s mostly just shitty parents, possibly who also had shitty parents, that forced the “hard knock life” on kids to make them “tough” and self reliant. Assuming they weren’t just regular old being abusive in some form. Being poor can also drive people out, if someone isn’t earning money in an already economically tight situation it can create a lot of friction.
Americans have a kinda messed up family life. This “self reliance” that separates the family unit and attempts to make it a standalone entity against everyone else really doesn’t reflect the way a lot of the rest of the world operates with closer family and community ties. Even not too long ago America was a lot different in that fashion. Probably WW2 and the growth that followed were the main shift.

People used to be able to do all that solo working as a janitor.
I work as a janitor and I can't even fucking feed myself all the time.
- Not to punch down, but that is a sign to:
  unionize
  do something else (this will limit supply of labor, helping to increase wages)
  Sorry that it sucks.
  
  Did you just suggest this guy should become unemployed to increase the wages? 😭 Also unemployment decreases wages, labor is perpetually a buyer's market
- I'm literally going to have to cut back on eating for the next couple weeks because I haven't gotten many hours recently. On the flip side I've been meaning to lose weight so it looks like that was my chance

i love my family! the love however is at odds with knowing what its like to live in the same house as my family

We're going to start fetishizing "living together" now because the rent is too damn high.

Conservative family values...

Would girls still want me if I said I lived with my parents as a 30 year old grown ass man that can't afford his own place?
- I guess a part of the problem is the stigma:
  People have been told that whoever still lives with their parents is a loser, and that's the actual reason why it repells girls.
  
  My son id 15 and ngl im excited for the day he moves out BUT only from a “kid launches” perspective.
  If homie finds his legs and still lives at home until he finds a partner thats cool.
  If he never finds his legs … fuck.
- If they were of similar age and economic background, then yea it should not be a problem. And there are also plenty of people outside of that age range and background that would still want you. Thought probably not many who would if that was your opener.
  Again, trying to uplift my fellow person, not sure how to say this without sounding like a sjw or something. But if you are 30, then "girls" needs to dropped. Women.
  
  My bad. Point taken.
- Change the story and say they live with you

Humans have lived in multi-generational homes forever. Moving out at 18 or right after college is a 20th century psyop. It doesn't make sense unless you're getting married.
- This is a great point, until you want to ask your hot date to come home with you.
  
  And even if you do manage to get far enough - until your parents veto your choice of a partner.
  
  Saving you trouble in the long run. Get married and then have sex.

Moving out was the best thing that happened to me, had zero privacy at home

Abolish rent, abolish ext family living.

Look I don't have a bone to pick with the idea of multigenerational living. It's a system that works great for some families. For me though, the most peaceful day of my life is going to be the day after my mother dies. I sometimes dream about how incredible it will feel to know that vile crone will never be able to hurt me again. There is no amount of money you could pay me to live with her again, I've chosen homelessness over it before. No banker's conspiracy did that.
We should absolutely destigmatize the idea of living with your parents, but it is not a solution to our housing crisis. If anything, this rhetoric is similar to that employed by corporations regarding recycling. It pushes the responsibility onto individuals not doing enough, rather than looking at the large levels of corporate property ownership that is the root cause of our crisis.
- Raised by grandparents.
  When gma died I literally did a dance. And she was thousands of miles away.
  Honestly was one of the best days of my life. Actually my life took a massive upswing then. I finally felt empowered.
  Wife was horrified, but she wouldn't understand.

I very much disagree with this. Paying your own rent means you have a place to call your own, even if someone else owns it. Paying a mortgage means you own your own property and have the ability to do whatever you want with it, even if you're tied to a bank.
At 18, you're essentially starting your life, and sometimes you need space to do that.

I miss living with family. Lived with my inlaws for a few years and then with my grandmother for another few before moving out on our own. We're selling our house soon and moving back with our inlaws. I've never been so burnt out and exhausted and I'm so looking forward to having extended family around to help with our kids again.

jokes on them, our generation can't afford to live alone anymore

entertainment and stress relief to cope with being alone
Congratulations sailor, you made it to Friday

It’s a psy op perpetrated by kids by being awful.
- if your kids are awful, good chance you did that to them.