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The “disruptive protests are bad” people are straight garbage pieces of shit. You know what is disruptive? Blizzards in Florida, wildfires in California and Canada, and mass migrations of island people due to oceans rising. So go fuck yourselves with this “boo hoo traffic got held up a couple minutes “ bullshit you fucking pussies.
A non-disruptive protest is masturbation.
A protest is disruption.
That's why protests in designated protest zones out of the eyelines and more importantly away from the profit operations of those being protested are an intentional and effective method of completely neutering protest.
We have protest in the US. It just doesn't mean anything anymore.
You are not masturbating correctly.
People hate protests even though they absolutely work because those people are for the status quo. I truly believe centrists are not actually on a line in between "right" and "left," but rather their own node so we all make a triangle. Much of what centrists believe are not anything like what the rest of us believe, but they are cowards who DESPERATELY want to be seen as the norm, as one of us by everyone (which is why they try to claim a "center" position, while the fascists and anti-fascists both recognize there is no middle ground between the two).
Centrism therefore should not be looked at as a mix of right and left, but as a mix of mainly centrist goals and thoughts. Teasing out centrism from the left will help us progress.
https://news.gallup.com/vault/246167/protests-seen-harming-civil-rights-movement-60s.aspx
Well put. The same dumbfucks who decry the visual pollution of looking at windmills but don't realize actual smog is the alterntative.
I think the key is who it is disruptive to. Blocking traffic just pisses off the average person. The decision makers don't care about the average person. You gotta disrupt the decision makers. But you also have to be prepared for them to fight back hard.
We need more Luigis.
our society is rapidly producing them, it seems like there's an intent to make angrier, disaffected people even.
The average person needs to start caring too. Too many zombies out there.
Sounds great, but you might as well shout at the rain. It isn't going to happen.
This sort of defeatist take is not helping anyone either.
I'm not defeatest. I just can't stand focusing on impractical solutions instead of things that can make a difference.
You say it's impractical and I say it very much is. What now?
Vote for progressive candidates (even if they are dem) in the midterms, and advocate that others do so. That's the easy thing. Low chance of success, similar effort to claiming everyone else should care about things they don't.
Next up, run for local office. But don't campaign, just pay the application fee, put your name in, and send in a write up for the voter guide that says to support the real progressive candidates. Slightly more effort, but slightly more impact.
There are tons of small things you can do. Even donating $5 to a progressive candidate would be more effective than saying people should care.
And these disruptions can be more than just an inconvenience. People can lose their jobs for being late. They can miss medical appointments and procedures.
The “disruptive protests are bad” people are straight garbage pieces of shit.
Strawman. There are no such people. You are mischaracterizing criticism of JSO methodology as criticism of their cause.
When you're protesting racism in February, 1960, do you plan a sit-in protest at a "Whites Only" diner? JSO methodology would have you picket a black-owned restaurant that caters to minorities, to "bring attention" to the problem. As if their audience had no clue that the problem existed.
When you're protesting homophobia in the 90s, do you attend a pride parade? Based on their current methodology, JSO would have slow-walk in front of a gay bar, to "bring attention" to discrimination on the basis of sexuality by disrupting attendance of that bar. As if their audience didn't already know that they were victims of homophobia.
If you're protesting the health insurance industry in the 2020s, do you "Occupy ERs", or do you Player 2 an insurance executive? Based in their current methodology, JSO would camp out in an ambulance bay, to "bring attention" to the plight of the sick and injured. As if patients didn't realize how badly they were being screwed by "insurers".
JSO (et al) is "disrupting" the general public instead of "disrupting" agents, subsidiaries, or beneficiaries of the oil industry. They are targeting the public as if the public has no clue that we are being screwed over.
JSO could be making just as big a spectacle, and bringing just as much attention to the problem by targeting gas stations, ICE car dealerships, and other public faces of the oil industry. Instead, they are "disrupting" fellow victims of that industry.
Yes, we need disruptive protests: we need the
The oil industry. Not the general public.
JSO should be driving a wedge between the transportation industry and the oil industry. Fuel stations are probably the most obvious: take action against any fuel station that doesn't offer EV charging. (Later, you can target "gas" stations that refuse to abandon there legacy pumps).
Car dealerships: target any dealer that doesn't have EVs front and center on their lots.
Muffler shops: drive them completely out of business; they shouldn't exist at all.
Some states have emission testing requirements that affect only the drivers of ICE vehicles. Disrupting the operation of testing centers prevents ICE vehicle owners from being able to register their vehicles.
The blockade power stations and airfield quite often.
But those ones barely make news, let alone front page news.
Also major motorways outside a large city is much more like marching your protestors down main street in Birmingham, US or marching on a capital city, getting those city centre shut down for Blacks and Whites alike than sitting in a Blacks only eatery.
The blockade power stations and airfield quite often.But those ones barely make news, let alone front page news.
Then they are wasting their time and shouldn't be doing that either.
Oh, I thought targeted at oil industry specifically was what you were asking for.
They also spent 3 days disrupting one of the largest petrol company sites in the UK a few years back. Very little media coverage, no care from the general public, no result.
The big march on Washington style disruptions at least gets something. Even if you complain.
The big march on Washington style disruptions at least gets something.
It gets harsher sentences on jaywalking. It alienates the general public from their cause. The general reaction to obstructing traffic is for the general public to overtly support police brutality.
They would be better off with better tactics against more appropriate targets.
MLK's protests weren't "non-violent". They worked specifically because there was violence: Violence committed against the protesters. They were martyred by the same racists who created the problems.
JSO tactics aren't going to work, because the protesters aren't being martyred by the oil industry. It's the general public that has a problem with their tactics. By and large, the general public has demonstrated considerable restraint by using only that force necessary to get around their various obstructions. They aren't being martyred.
Criticism of these protesters is not based on their cause, but solely on their protest. Contrast with these protesters: They are being attacked not because they are in the streets, but because of who they are. They are being martyred.
They are by the law courts with sentences like these.
I chose that cartoon to show how a large portion of Americans saw MLK and the less innsurrectionist Civil Rights arm.
I chose that cartoon to show how a large portion of Americans saw MLK
That same "large portion of Americans" saw MLK's cause as the problem. They disagreed with his methods because they disagreed with his cause. Critics of MLK wanted to treat him as a subordinate, an inferior. They did not want him to be a peer.
JSO is not being criticized for their cause. Criticism of JSO is for the inept and counterproductive actions they are taking in support of their cause.
MLK targeted racists - the perpetrators - not the general public. JSO is targeting the general public - the victims - not the oil companies.
JSO != MLK.
They kind of have a point about blocking roads being ineffective, but for entirely the wrong reason. Having been stuck in traffic caused by protests blocking streets several times myself, I know that for most of the drivers, it's utterly indistinguishable from all the other traffic jams. Unless you're right up front to see what's causing it, it could very well just be another event at the fairgrounds, or one of the regularly-scheduled crashes.
Put another way, maybe driving is actually a protest against cars? It is pretty damn effective at blocking streets.
Except many of us who actually care about the cause say this because traffic delays and vandalizing paintings irritate the fuck out of people and set them against the cause of the protest. You can spew more profanity against for being like that if you wish, but it doesn’t change facts.
It’s like finding a way to stage a protest that just makes eggs more expensive. Yay protest! But don’t expect any good to come of it.
Many protests like that in Germany for a few years now. Mostly adolescent people from XR and FFF who tacked their hands to streets in neuralgic locations with superglue. They were one of the most hated groups by normies here and were compared to the 70s terror group RAF by politicians and boulevard media like BILD. Many videos in which good citizens forgot their temper and acted out in violent self justice when they feared to get late to work.
In 2023 the country wide farmer protests started and held the republic captive. Thousands of 5-10 ton tractors drove down the whole country to Berlin. They did a lot of terroristy things like loading huge manure dumps and logs in the midst of highways and their exits, controlling the IDs of drivers to only let essential staff through, putting liable anti-constitutional placards on their tractors, purposefully obstructing traffic in the cities and some of them from east-germany wanted to storm the parliament. People died, car accidents happened, ambulances and doctors were to late for operations, huge loads of GHGs were emitted and streets were destroyed.
All this because of the traffic light coalition wanted to cut subsidies for agrar fuels which was reverted pretty fast. Did the farmers stop then? Nope of course not. Went on for a few months. Those poor farmers couldn't afford to live without the precious subsidies but could afford to blow heaps of fuel and not working on their farms. A young farmer tried to prove to the public that they were essentially poor by showing his tax documents on the german finance subreddit. It didn't went well because he was rich. He deleted his post.
Now from the sentiment on social media you could get the impression that a lot of the normies who wanted to have the "Klimakleber" (climate gluers) jailed or worse, cheered for the poor hard working farmers even when the protest really went violent. I live rurally and boy let me tell you how those poor farmers have plastered their barns and houses with solar panels because of the politics of the greens and the subsidies from the EU.
“Give me convenience or give me death”
If you think that food and transportation are items of convenience, you must live a privileged life indeed.
Yes I would like there to continue to be enough food grown on the land we are currently using to feed everyone. It would be more than inconvenient if the cropland turned to desert for sure.
Protest all you want. I'm not getting late to work because of you. I also care about the climate, but holding up traffic isn't going to get me on your side
That’s because you only care about the status quo. Congrats, you’re part of the problem. Remember that if you’re ever confronted with rising flood waters with your boss saying you can’t leave. Just repeat “ I want this”
How does missing work help the climate? Genuine question, but I've been fired when a car broke down over the weekend, and I couldn't get another one before Monday. I don't see how it was better that I wound up spending the money I was saving for an electric car on an old junker so I didn't miss rent and get evicted.
Edit: Just tell me you don't have an answer instead of downvoting, this isn't Reddit.
We in Europe forget that you yanks can get fired for things like a car break down or a protest stopping you from getting to work on time.
You should probably get some workers rights protests. Consider strikes.
Yeah, we absolutely need to start with worker rights. I think part of the problem is that we in America have been on the nationalist train for so long that we're simply unaware of how good it could be.
It's nuts that people over here think my state law of 1 hour PTO awarded for every 40 hours worked is too much of a burden for employers.
I'd rather see disruptive action taken against gas stations, ICE car dealers, muffler shops, and other entities directly associated with the oil industry.
When JSO stops asking lawmakers to make "jaywalking" a felony offense, and they eventually get around to actually "stopping oil", let me know.
Nice, you completely misinterpreted my comment. Applaud yourself 👏👏
They didn't.
You just didn't like the translation of your words into their consequences.
Most Nazi civilians weren't evil in any special unique way. They just didn't care about any moral framework more than they cared about not having the status quo broken.
It's an aspect of the banality of evil.
Your attitude, sadly the most common attitude, is the main driving force for the most heinous of outcomes.
Here it is being used to justify the literal end of the fucking human race and turning our planet into Venus.
Yeah bro get people who support your cause fired from their jobs so you can not actually do anything whatsoever to help your cause because you're not doing anything to affect the actual people who are causing environmental collapse, you're just fucking with other working class people trying to survive.
God forbid an ambulance or fire engine gets stuck there too. Or am I too much of a nazi for caring about solidarity?
Go to DC and protest the capitol steps. Block entrances to fossil fuel corpo offices. Do something actually meaningful; but you won't because you don't actually give as much of a fuck as you pretend you do, so you pick the lazy option and shit on people who tell you why it's bad and pointless.
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edit: lmfao, that one impotent downvote.
Lost your words?
“I’m not being late for work “. The rest was to make that statement not what it was.
You muppet.
You aren't going to join their side either way. You just care about getting to work on time. You only care about the climate as much as it affects your day to day life, so I wouldnt go around telling people I care about the climate if I was you.
Nope. Wrong again. These ad hominem attacks that assume my position do nothing to further discourse. I actively support and vote for eco-friendly parties, and would participate in protests if and only if they gained widespread traction. I'm not going to protest when most people don't give enough of a fuck about climate. Disruptive protests will only create more dissent and worse amongst those that share the same sentiments.
The George Floyd protests would've never worked if they remained localized to Minnesota, were disruptive and had very few participants. It needed to be nationalized. The common people must also be united on the same goal. Most people don't care enough about climate change yet to support disruptive protests. I'm simply trying to be practical and realise that the way most climate change activist groups are going about raising awareness isn't working.
The JustStopOil protests have been going on for years and yet there's been no action by any government. Wouldn't it be smart to consider other avenues of awareness creation? A wise man once said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".
A wise man once said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".
Vote harder next time!
As if it's not the people who didn't vote that caused the problem lmao
They aren't even reading what they write 🤣
The JustStopOil protests have been going on for years and yet there's been no action by any government.
That's not true. Government have indeed acted in response to JSO protests.
They have increased penalties for jaywalking and obstructing traffic.
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Protest all you want. I’m not getting late to work because of you
So are you gonna plow through them? Sounds like a sane response to being late for work.
And if you care about the climate I have bad news - we would already be on the same side, but you only care up to the point that it will impact you personally, and that is why you suck.
we would already be on the same side, but you only care up to the point that it will impact you personally,
We would already be on the same side, but you're more focused on "making Jaywalking a Felony".
JSO does not stand for "Just Stop (everyone except) Oil".
You wish you could murder people who inconvenience you?
...well...i mean....yeah
You are a terrible person, on the inside
As we can see, on the outside too.
No, i think I don't like to be inconvenienced that's what.
That is a good definition of a horrible person.
You're the poster child for the banality of evil.
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I hope you experience flooding and fires.
And you think its normal to wish you could murder people without consequence?
I feel a lot of people held up in traffic by these protests have that wish. So even if not normal, it's common.
Do you mean jokingly or legitimately? I dont think it would be even 1 out of 100 that legitimately is contending with homicidal fantasies when stuck in traffic before school or work.
You wish you could murder people for making you late. That tells us all everything we need to know about you and what kind of person you are.
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Go to anger management classes before you murder someone.
It is not acceptable to wish committing vehicular manslaughter against people who slightly annoy you.
What about Steve at the office? That guy REALLY annoys me. Is he fair game?
Go to anger management classes
Anger management classes focus on directing anger appropriately, as opposed to lashing out against others.
JSO's anger at the oil industry does not justify taking action against the general public.
Er... the strategies given to people to manage their own emotional state don't exactly translate to, you know, anything else. You gotta know that.
You are a fucking joke. Full stop.
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He said that it was an appropriate response to drive through protesters on a road because he might be late for work. And then doubled down on that being a normal response to being inconvenienced.
Run of the mill conservative energy.
Yeah I know, God forbid anything interrupt my employers steady exploitation of me for financial gain
If they stop being exploited, they stop being able to pay their bills. Kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Iirc they didn't even block the road. They hung signs and climbed into the poles above the road. The police blocked the road. This has all the energy of the police calling a protest a riot when they were the violent ones. They escalate it, blame the protestors, and people like you eat it up.
Get fucked you self-centered dickhead. Why go to work? What are you saving money for if it's in serious danger of burning down? Can you eat your cash if it becomes worthless?
My god, so much lack of insight and foresight.
Unhinged take what the actual fuck
Get a brain, numbnuts.
Same to you, child
You're welcome, numbnuts.
You're not even smart enough to reply properly lol
You're welcome, numbnuts.
The take is completely hinged.
"Become homeless and starve because eventually it might happen anyway"
Why are you on an electronic device if it won't be worth anything in q few decades? You won't be able to eat it.
If you want the protesters gone, vote for the party that will give in to their demands. You seem like a practical sort who only cares about results. Give them what they want and they'll go away.
Who told you I don't already vote for eco-friendly parties?
Good. Next step: write an email to your representative saying you're sick of these protesters and you want the government to do whatever they say so they'll go away.
This is one of those nuanced positions that it appears Lemmy users are incapable of understanding.
It's possible to simultaneously care about climate change and acknowledge that some protests are counter productive.
If you'd said "I don't like to stop at the altar to pray for climate change action on my way to work because it seems pointless" that would've been a statement.
I think the core problem is that the majority of people just don't care. The US just elected a president who will take no action. Protesting isn't going to make people care.
I hope they don't organise marathons or street fairs where you're at, or worse, resurface a road.
What're you gonna do about it then?
