Bernie Sanders blasts Democratic Party following Harris loss

Jesus Christ still more sharp than Trump or Biden. We got fuckin robbed, man.

Twice too.
- Thrice you might say, considering we could have had a primary this time too but for Biden's hubris
Robbed twice, still tries to help people. Can't say that about most politicians.
Now is about the time of year I remember to say "Fuck Debbie Wasserman Shultz"
- Still upset she moved up in positioning in the party. Genuinely feels like she cheated and won with zero consequences.
Yeah. The Democrats really screwed the pooch on that one. He's a solid candidate, and has stood on his moral stance from before the Democrats recognized the issues that are now popular.
Sorely needed, sorely missed.
Yes. But this is not news... We've known this for years.

They keep giving us candidates nobody fucking wants and keep being surprised when they lose

And then it creates all this infighting where we're all blaming each other for being Bernie bros or third party protest voters when in reality it's the regular joes on the street who need to be convinced to give a fuck about their candidate, not terminally online hyperpolitical dweebs

The democrats are just gonna keep losing and our climate is going to slip deeper and deeper past the point of no return. Earths climate, our political climate, our social fabric, all of it. Slowly but surely being pissed down the drain because Joe Biden thought he should run despite middling approval ratings and massive health concerns, leaving us with literally zero choice but to back Harris once he inevitably stepped down. Because we had so called "superdelegates" choosing our candidates for us in the 2016 election when we were actually able to finally build a massive grassroots movement spearheaded by the Sanders campaign.

We're gonna keep losing, and we're gonna keep blaming each other, and the ruling class are just gonna keep sinking their claws deeper into what used to be ours.

I'll see you all again in four years, same time, same place, same fucking rigamarole

It's why I stopped voting altogether. Last time I voted in general elections was 2008. Last time I primaried was for Bernie in 16. Only time I ever donated money, too.
Fuck the Democrats. They made it clear they want Republican voters more than than they want me
- Don’t vote, don’t get to complain.
  Not saying that you have to vote when you dislike the options given. But you do have other options. Like spoiling your ballot, or nullify your ballot.
  Yes the results are the same, but by voting this way, you are actively participating in your democratic process. While not voting at all you are not. And if you do not participate, in my view, you cannot complain about the results.
  Oh and if you don’t know how, on election day just ask the poll workers. They should’ve been trained on how to handle it.
- It's why I stopped voting altogether.
  Thanks for letting me no to never pay attention to anything you say.
Liberals seem to get real uppity when you remind them how actual holders of leftist beliefs in the general US population are almost nonexistent and all third party votes added together wouldn’t have saved Harris.
Although if liberals were capable of using logic, they wouldn’t be liberals. You even see it in their hilarious Lemmy tantrums, they are genuinely so confused and lost.
If only leftists were there saying exactly what they were doing wrong and exactly what would happen for literally the last four years.
Oh wait. We were. Weird how Marx and Lenin continue to be proven right by history again and again.
- You might want to check your own logic there.
- Help me parse this logic. I'm having trouble figuring out how "Leftists are much too small and insignificant a demographic to make a meaningful difference in elections, therefore Democrats should implement leftist political strategy" makes any sense.
- Liberal tears have been very tasty today. Salter than usual

“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said in a statement Wednesday. “First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

Dems 100% sold them out and assumed they'd still vote D as long as a handful of issues were different.

The worse the Republicans got, the worse Dems got. Because they could get away with it and it increased donations.

The thing is it just energizes republicans and depresses Dem turnout.

If the goal is winning elections is a terrible strategy.

If you only care about money and the election is just a grift to you tho, it's a win/win. The result of the election doesn't really matter.

and now the ratchet effect will kick in again:
"See? The people WANT the republicans. That's why they keep electing republicans. Therefore, if we want to be competitive, we must become more like republicans."
- That is the only lesson they are ever capable of winning. If they win, it's because they were like the Republicans so they should be more like the Republicans. If they lose, ti's because they weren't like the Republicans enough.
  The Democratic base, and i say this as someone who willingly voted straight D ticket and has for a long time, keeps trying to kick the football and the Democratic Party keeps yanking it back at the last second. Every time.
There was never really that much risk of Dems losing voters to the Repubs (at least as long as Trump was the R candidate). The real damage came from Dems losing enthusiasm.
- This. I just had a very long argument with someone else that completely and utterly failed to grasp this simple concept. Trump ran as the most conservative conservative ever and his base loved him for it. Harris ran as the most conservative liberal ever and her base gritted their teeth and grudgingly trudged to the polls. And then the DNC is shocked and flabbergasted that they didn't get a better turnout.
- The thing that has driven me crazy for so long is this is the situation in America.
  There are 70M Americans that will vote Republican and nothing will ever change their minds
  There are 70M Americans that will vote Democrat and nothing will ever change their minds
  There are a couple million independent undecided voters that everyone goes after
  Then there are 100M+ people that sit out the election and no one seems to try to understand what would make them vote. It’s so crazy that we have just decided that there are red states and blue states and that’s how it is. A party that could retain some of either party while activating half the people that sit out would be a force to reckon with.
  As the Democratic Party has tried to find some way to win again they have gone after which group? The handful of independents and the 70M republicans that aren’t going to vote for them ever. And the people sitting it out probably aren’t looking for them to shift right, if so they would be republicans.
- You mean to say that Dick Cheney's endorsement didn't excite the base?
To be fair, they should've voted Dem, but instead sat out against their own best interest.
The electorate is incredibly fucking stupid.
The strategy made sense to anyone with half a brain. It seems I overestimated the median American, though.
- You're right. Lot of people sat out because of inflation, which was driven by corporate greed, which of course a Republican is not going to address. The electorate needs a fucking education. Prices have stopped climbing aggressively. They're not going to go back down. Wage growth is the next step, which is another thing a Republican will not address. Americans cutting off their nose to spite their face.

I would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat.

He seems to always be on the right side of history, he understands the root causes of our national crises, and he has solutions.

Problem: Two-party system, voter apathy.

Solution: Ranked choice voting, remove electoral college (popular vote interstate compact).

Problem: Bought elections.

Solution: Repeal Citizens United.

Problem: Federal deficit spending.

Solution: Reform government contracts with private corpos so we're not getting gouged. Repurpose military budget. Tax the rich.

Problem: Ignorant and misinformed voting population.

Solution: More school funding, pay teachers more.

Problem: All surplus value is siphoned away from the working class.

Solution: Tax incentives for employee-owned companies. More support for unions.

Problem: Consumer price gouging.

Solution: Break up monopolies, punish anti-competitive behavior.

Problem: Irresponsible banking.

Solution: Un-repeal Glass-Steagall.

Problem: Expensive healthcare.

Solution: Universal healthcare. Don't even try to tell me we can't afford it.

None of that stuff is going to happen, unfortunately, not while the Rs control everything. And it's not official but it looks like they're going to win the house too. So they're going to run buckshot on this country with no one to stop them. They'll control all 3 branches.
- None of it happened while Ds had any modicum of control either. Bernie represents what the democratic party should be, not what it is and has been. They pivoted hard to the status quo and we are footing the bill.
- not while the Rs control everything
  Uh, Bernie was blocked by the democrats, not the republicans.
Hey I just wanted to say that this is a great post. It really shows how little Hilary, Biden, and now Harris brought to the table
It's crazy how the DNC only wants to appeal to moderates, and Republicans cross the aisle, after witnessing how Trump performs
yeah but how can we get any of those solutions when fascists keep getting elected?
- I think ranked choice voting and the popular vote interstate compact can happen at the state level. Just needs more local campaigning.
  Then people would feel more empowered to vote for who they really want. I think that would be a big push towards nominating an actual progressive candidate.
Repeal Taft-Hartley and pass the PRO Act while we're at it
Considering multiple blue states just voted against RCV, and the majority of the country voted to put even more ultra-conservative SCOTUS judges on the court, I'm not sure he is on the right side of history.
History is being written right now, soon to be dictated by Donald Trump, and recorded through the lens of Donald Trump. What will the fascist schoolbooks written by the Texas board of education say to remember the people who stood up against Trump?

Bernie Sanders is talking that shit.

Almost like he could have saved this whole scenario in 2016. Fuckin DNC kiss the ring Hillary bullshit.
At this point I'd be in favor of him just starting a podcast and enjoying retirement. The left has to go around the DNC to effectively deliver their message, it's foolish to think otherwise.
- The dnc should all fall on their sword politically and admit that it would been better today had they given being their blessing and support when it would have mattered.
  Then give Bernie power in the dnc to craft the future of the party. Find a new direction while there's still time
Why isn't he running for president? Or he just never won the primaries?
- In related news:
  Court Concedes DNC Had the Right to Rig Primaries Against Sanders
  In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, “I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.”
- Because the dnc would rather lose running center right to right wing policies than be actually progressive.
- Snubbed by Dnc royalty wanting to play it safe.
If only he did it in the first place instead of campaigning for them

This man has always cooked. I wish Dems had the ball to let him have the ticket both times he was snubbed despite cooking what needed to cooked.

He'd still be president if they hadn't shafted him in 2016, I'm sure of it.
Damn ivory tower liberal dems.
- They aren’t even liberals. They don’t have the guts anymore to be actual liberals. They’re slaves to their corporate owners.

They need to swing for the fences more. Don't just bring forward the items that might pass, bring up the bills that really matter, again and again, and put that in an ad. I'm probably more politically in-tuned than most voters (clearly) and I only know of ONE vote to raise the minimum wage during Bidens term. It should've been a dozen votes and then Dems get to say they were fighting for the working class while the GOP gets paid to show up and say "No" to everything.

Yeah I forget who said it but I remember a commentator in 2016 complaining that Democrats seemed afraid to get out their and really be Democrats. But TBH I felt like Kamala was doing that.
- That party of the Roosevelt is gone since the Clintons showed up. It's market-based solutions organization nothing. If you don't like it, you can forfeit your tax rebate
Are you referring to the upcoming lame duck session? Because Dems have a couple of months to try that, and then it looks like the openly fascist GOP is going to control all three branches of our federal government.

We don't deserve Bernie. He's to pure to be infected by being president. With that said, I'd give my left nut to see Bernie in the oval office

The typo is staying just to annoy you grammar nazis. I know the difference in to, too, two. You can suck our collective too nuts

If it meant my testicle for un-gerrymandering the voting districts, ranked-choice voting, and abolishing "first-past-the-post", you can call me the one nut wonder, brother.
I'll pitch in my right for a full pair
- Deal. Now we just gotta talk to Bernie and present our collective nuts
- I throw in my sack to contain these two donated nuts.
- And my ovaries!
He's to pure
He's too* pure

I don’t buy this. In Nebraska there was an election between an independent union leader and a career politician. The union leader lost.

The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.

In Nebraska
Uh, that's your answer. It's not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds, but in a presidential election that's by default 50/50?
- If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win? This isn’t magic or rocket science. Many people thought democrats were responsible for the high inflation because they don’t know macro economics.
- Why are you still here? The election is over, you got what you wanted. Just fucking leave.
The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
What consensus is saying this? Outside of Latino men and first time voters shifting to Trump, most analysis (so far) is that the Democrats lost around 10-15 million votes from 2020, compared to Trump losing only 2 million. If all the Dems/Undecideds moved to Trump, he would have not lost voters.
What was the Red vs Blue turnout in Nebraska in 2020 vs 2024, I bet that would go a long way to explain why the union leader lost.
- Agreed. That “consensus” is another bs talking point to cover up that they yet again alienated their own voters to appease their masters.
because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
yeah, that's problem all around the world, people are too dumb to understand how two years of covid and ongoing war in europe affects our lives and demand that someone just takes care of it.
so in a year we will get populist pro-russian billionaire prime minister who will just start dropping more inflation money around and tells people "see? i will take care of you!" (while stealing some of these money for himself, of course)
- And Harris was too stupid to just come out and say that she'd do that. Not Trump though. See that huge sign behind him at rallies? "Trump will fix it".
  The dem strategy should have been to bombast like Trump, but more. Make America greatER. Would have really taken the wind or of his sails, IMO.
- First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians.
  This counters what Bernie said.
  Second, you're in Nebraska.
  I’m not in Nebraska. Just giving one of many examples of politicians that support the working class losing because of the billionaire class.
  Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people's lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.
  Scapegoating the democrats that tried to tax the billionaire class prevents this from happening.
  But if you think they're the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.
  I don’t think they’re the wave of the future. I think the billionaire class countered Harris because they didn’t want to be taxed like she laid out in her plans and now people are trying to scapegoat them, ensuring it will be less likely that the next person will try it again. Just like the billionaire class wants.
don't worry, we'll replay that record again in a year while they blame biden again

I fucking love Bernie. He needs a protege.

Not positive, but I think AOC is the closest thing right now in terms of message and visibility.
- She should start a Democratic Socialist party as a leader, with Bernie as the spiritual leader/Grandpa. Start convincing sitting Democrats to switch parties. Now is the time
- Pretty sure AOC is why centrists are announcing that Harris lost because she's a woman and a minority.
AOC

You guys need a labor party

We have a nascent left-wing movement in the local governments of many cities. It's loose and relatively unorganized but it's more than we've had in decades. Bernie's run in 2016 has a lot to do with that.
Our primary election turnout is abysmal, and Americans need to realize that the primaries are how the parties get reformed. Maybe the Democratic Party will have its Tea Party moment in 2026.
You guys should get better red
- Then why are you showing a worse one?

While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.

Goddamn this hits the exact thing that Democrats really need to learn.

There's a ton of emotion in this nation. Given:

The opioid crisis where the people responsible are in perpetual litigation.
The wars we fought that costed us deaths of young people who had lives ahead of them, and scarred millions more. All so that a few rich asshats could profit.
The corruption of large companies as they swindle the working class, only to watch legislators continue to profit off of insider trading.

And that's just to name a few. There's a ton of emotion in this nation. And Trump, for better or worse, taps into that emotion. The cut and dry democrats, they keep telling us, "The system will work, this time" and you have a public that just screams "well how soon is now then?"

Democrats cannot just keep tapping on the system as it currently stands when the system so obviously doesn't deliver. There are hungry democrats looking for change to the system to form a more better system that will serve them, and the party just keeps dressing the bones of the long gone bird from days long pass.

Sanders fucking sinks the nail in a single stroke of the hammer on this. And Republicans are using that emotion, that pent up distrust of the system as it is, to move people in their direction. The entire point of this living government is to have a government, to have a system, that matches the people who are alive and having to deal with it. Sanders sees that and cut and dry Democrats keep going "but Trump will ruin the system that doesn't work for you!!"

Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day. But holy shit, they are going to clearly take an incredibly long and winding road to get there. I don't agree with where Republicans want to take us. I don't agree with how Republicans want to get there. But goddamn, we've got to hand it to them that they're actively pointing out the exact same thing the Sanders is pointing out. "Status Quo ain't going to fucking work anymore." The sooner the traditional Democrats learn that, the faster they can come back to being relevant.

The single best thing the Dems can do now is take a chapter out of the Republican playbook and obstruct everything, full tilt, no good barred. Inject themselves into everything, all committees, panels, investigations, reviews, etc, and block. See how much Trump can accomplish when the shoe's on the other foot.
Tbh, unless Wasserman-Schultz and the other imbecilic DNC royalty step down or are made to fuck all the way off somehow, I don’t think the Democratic Party is going to recover from this. And in that case, frankly, they shouldn’t recover. This result is absolutely, unambiguously damning.
- Again with this talk about strategy as if any of it is going to matter in 3 months when they start executing people
Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day.
In the next government, we're not having elections thanks to Harris botching it for everyone. The RBG of presidential candidates. Thinking you know best until it's too late and now we need to plan for the fact you made things worse.
- The RBG of presidential candidates.
  If holding on too long is RBG's legacy, then wouldn't Biden be the RBG of presidential candidates? He held on until after the primaries before dropping out.

We need to MAGA up the liberals. They think liberals were insufferable before, we about had enough of this establishment bullshit.

- It's sucks so bad. So fucking bad.
- Authoritarian Left sounds bad too, but it would nice if they executed the rule of law instead of making excuses to remain politically neutral.
I don't know about MAGA, but the Democratic party definitely needs to go hard into the same kind of obstructionism that the Republicans have been doing. No validation of insane policies, no negotiating with terrorists.
And when everyone accuses the Democrats of not cooperating, they need to just stay quiet and stay the course. For the next four years, the legislature is closed.
- Republicans can be evil and Democrats work with them an compromise on killing half of them.
  Democrats consider maybe paying postal workers and Republicans stop it and cry how it's unconstitutional to have people paid for their labor.
  If the Democrats got a spine and told Republicans "Just shut up, you complained about breaking segregation." And get things done, we'd be a fucking utopia.
- No. Don't stay quiet. Blame the Republicans!
- I saw on one of the newscasts on election night that the overturning of Chevron deference is going to come back to kneecap the whole GOP agenda because they'll have to pass all their (de)regulatory changes through Congress which will be, as you say, closed.
I'm pretty sure that's what we were trying to do back in 2016, but it was her turn.
No
Check reddit and .world and you'll see the people doing that.
- Nah, I'm good. Been punk rock long enough to know it's just gonna be the thing to hate. Just planning in my head how the subversion works this time. I just hope they tear it ALL down this time and stop f'ing around.

Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.

Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government

In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.

Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.

I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
And you bet your ass they'll appoint them as young as possible so they've got their pocket justices for another 40 or 50 years.
Imagine a time traveller appearing in 2020 and trying to convince everyone they needed to reelect Trump

I think one way the party screwed up was by not cultivating younger Democrats to contend for the nomination this year. It's not like 2024 or Biden's age snuck up on anybody - they should have had a slate of viable options ready besides him. The Harris campaign was brilliantly run, especially on such short notice, and I don't blame her or the campaign one bit for failing. But as many analysts have pointed out, the public didn't feel like they knew her - the VP is surprisingly not super visible. One thing Trump had in his favor was that he was "the devil you know". He had already been President and we're still here, whereas they didn't feel they knew Harris. I thought that changed radically as the summer went on. She really seemed to grab everybody. It was electric and exhilarating. But apparently not enough.

They royally fucked up three elections by pushing shitty unpopular candidates to the point where we ended up with a little fascist whiny bitch in office with unchecked power. We cannot rehabilitate the Democratic party, the damage is complete there is nothing there left to save. The democrats lost worse in 2024 than republicams did in 2020, we judge Republicans for hanging on to their party after it got commandeered by Trump, but when are democrats going to turn around and look in the mirror because our party fucked up worse than we could have possibly imagined and here we are sitting thinking it will be different next time, after twelve fucking years of this shit. Disaffected Republicans and Democrats must build a coalition to form a new party and kick out the old and stale guard that is holding on to our body of government like a tick with Lyme disease

alienation

Careful now, that sounds like one of them there socialism words.

No one remembers your name
When you're estranged
When you're estranged
When you're estraaaaaanged

Sanders is the OG

It really says something when the media browbeated minorities actively harmed by neoliberal policies into voting Democrat and never third party, and third party didn't even sway anything in any state.
I voted Green in 2016 in California and I regretted it. I voted Democrat in 2020 (knowing it doesn't matter, I live California), despite Sanders getting shafted a second time. I voted Harris in 2024, and I swallowed my morals to do it.
And I got nothing but Trump rolling out his plans his oligarchs planned since 1980.
- What is says is that the Green Party has always been a joke that exists solely to trick idealists like yourself into throwing away your vote every 4 years.
  The reason they didn't vote third party is because it's always been a joke.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? ...”

"Pain? What's that? Some kind of... 'poor-person' thing?? Wait, I remember now, it's the french word for bread! Well, let them eat baguettes~"

Lmao you just know that last sentence in the article was inserted in there by a salty editor

Seems that the “big money interests” would be at odds with helping the working class.

"BLASTS!"

I mean yeah, but what about "SLAMS" or "RIPS INTO"?

A good suplex may at least get readers' attention.
- "Bernie Sanders DESTROYS the Democratic Party FROM THE TOP ROPE following Harris loss." would get my attention.
Agreed usually any post with any of these words in the title just immediately pisses me off lol

Democrats have definitely become the elitist party. They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

Don't you mean Trump? The literal billionaire who represents the richest man in the world? Weird
- Yea but with the republicans you already sorta expect it. Harris pivoted from a really sensible campaign that honestly I think would've won, to "look at all these rich people, celebrities and even right-wing warmongers who support me!" - and while I get the point - a dirtbag like Cheney supporting Harris is a sign of how fucked up Trump REALLY is - the message might not have been as clear to everyone.
And you're saying "billionaire" Donald Trump up on stage with the wealthiest man in the world is somehow more in-touch?
Jesus Christ, get real you guys.
- Obviously voters seem to think he's more in-touch
Just wait until Ted Cruz switches parties and runs as a dem for President in 2028
They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?
Yes. They thought Dick Cheney would do the trick.
- Do you by chance mean Liz Cheney?

I will always blame DWS, Clinton, and to a slightly lesser extent Brazile for the ruin of the party. Until there is proportional representation (i.e. never), there will never be a party that represents a great many of us.

Will he finally start a party? Please?

And then what? What do you think that would accomplish?
- Democracy, hopefully.
lmmfao, Bernie Sanders hasn't achieved anything in his entire useless life, he isn't going to start now. Don't believe me? Look up his legislative record. The man only talks, he doesn't do the work. He hasn't actually done anything. He's like the rest of The Squad that way. They don't work with a coalition to pass law, they chirp from the cheap seats, and target Jews for votes.
- Bernie Sanders hasn’t achieved anything in his entire useless life.
  Look up his legislative record
  They don’t work with a coalition to pass law,
  Yeah, lets look up some stuff.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#Legislation
  In 2005, Rolling Stone called Sanders the "amendment king" for his ability to get more roll call amendments passed than any other congressman during the period since 1995, when Congress was entirely under Republican control. Being an independent allowed him to form coalitions across party lines

But the billionaires don't have millions of votes.

They can control the narratives. Democrats haven't done enough to break the "both sides are the same" narrative, this is a 32 year problem. It breeds apathy and apathy helps autocrats.

Rollin' out this banger one more time...

https://youtu.be/moNHfeBJ81I

Rings a bit hollow. Biden stood up for unions, did not interfere with strikes, and always sided with the worker.

The other party... celebrating layoffs, cutting the fat, blocking unions.

So sure, maybe they could be better. But to say they abandoned the American worker, thats a bit of a stretch.

Love Bern, but right now he's playing Monday morning QB.

My guy, Biden blocked a railroad workers strike because it endangered corporate interests, and he didn't give them a key piece they were asking for: paid sick leave.
- Not trying to be rude, the media cycle buried that result.
  The unions got the sick leave, after the media reported the strike ended without it.
  It was accomplished a couple weeks later, if I recall correctly.
  https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

That's some nonsense from Bernie. Unions have fared better under Biden than any President for decades, and Bernie knows it. This is posturing image-burnishing for the naive; you think Bernie doesn't market himself to all the young progressives? Then, when the cameras are off, he turns into a garden-variety Democrat, voting solidly with this elitist-run party every time, without pouting and making protest votes or anything like that.

That’s a pretty dishonest description of Bernie. I don’t dare to say if your statement about unions is true, and it might as well be, but what Bernie is saying here is that it’s not enough. He’s arguing the democrats need to be more progressive. Feel free to disagree with his suggestion though.
I do think that the bigger problem is that the average person lacks the general understanding of how policies affect their lives. They want simple answers and Trump is giving them that. People are shortsighted and have a hard time grasping the bigger picture, and rather vote based on a gut feeling.
- We can disagree about Bernie. I think it's deeply cynical of him to point the finger he's pointing.
  You are very right about simple answers vs annoying complexity, and this is a systemic problem the Democrats will always face. Being based in reality and choosing to try to solve actual issues instead of simplified strawmen means the Democrats never will have an appealing story to tell, for most folks.
Dems gave up on the working class after nafta and have stayed that way ever since
- Not under Biden.
  Clinton fucked the party over with NAFTA, and sided with big business. Biden did not: Biden did more for workers and the working class than any other President since FDR.
  But he doesn't get credit for it, because people don't pay attention. They remember he ordered the railroad workers back to work, and say it proves he's anti-labor. They didn't really follow up on the fact that a few weeks later, his administration helped get them the new contract that gave them more paid sick days than they had originally asked for. But the story was long out of the news by then.
  I can't stand idiot liberals who don't read past headlines and drift with the news wind.

They should have let Biden run. Replacing him with Harris will go down as the dumbest move the DNC, or any American political party, has ever done.

It wouldn't have changed the outcome. After 4 years of Biden, people were over it. The millions of extra votes that showed up to stop trump in 2020 wouldn't have showed up for Biden, if they didn't show up for Harris.
People want change. Unfortunately this result is what happens when 1 candidate stays status quo and 1 candidate is for change.
All the exit polls in swing states were showing only 40% or less approve of Biden. You think the outcome would have been any different?

Rare Bernie L. You absolutely can blame the non voters. They are just as bad as every MAGA voter.

Blaming the poor is a cool and fun take. If you willing want to blame those for which voting is actually a burden then you are the problem.
- The people who didnt vote and therefore chose fascism are the problem
Bad take. Lots of Bernie voters turned redipped after the DNC shafted Bernie. Blame the oligarchy
- I blame the Bernie voters, actually. The ones who knew better but didn't vote out of spite.
Yes Draedron, you can. But you've already established your genocidal credentials. The rest of us will continue to mop up the mess you, harris/biden, and the dnc made as usual.
- You are the one who picked the fascist by not voting. You are the one who gave power to someone who will worseb the genocide against Palestinians, Ukrainians and enables the coming genocide against Taiwanese people.

Like I give a fuck about whatever Bernie says at a time like this. Shut up and stop acting like you know what's best for us, this is some fine Monday morning QB that's completely unhelpful. Come at me Bernie bros.

Edit: Looks like the Bernie Bros do know how to vote after all! Just not where it matters. Shame on those who sat out the election in 2016 and 2024 to enable the slide towards fascism. Shame on those who didn't vote because of Gaza. Gaza and Ukraine are fucked now because of people like you. You do not have the moral high ground. Keep the downvotes coming, it means I struck a nerve. Shame on you. I sincerely hope the leopards come for you first.

Who do you want to listen to? The dem strategists that failed miserably?
- I mean, yeah, I think that's unironically who they want to listen to. They're waiting for someone to tell them why the choices the party made were actually good and smart and how all the left punching they did was actually justified. I'm not sure they're going to get it, though; even the Pod Save America guys sounded on the verge of some self-reflection. But who knows, maybe they'll blame Russian disinformation campaigns again and put their heads back in the sand.
?? What ??
This comment once again proving that when you hit a lib, a fascist cries out.
- That's a great one! Hmm, let's see what do you call a leftist who sits out the vote?
  Complicit.
  See, it's not really funny after all.

Shut the fuck up Bernie, you've spent 8 years corralling the working class into the undemocratic party controlled by the rich. Fuck you, you could have actually tried to start a new party but no, you did your job as a tool of the capitalists to keep people voting against their interests.

Saying that Bernie is garbage because he didn't dismantle the two party system seems a bit extreme. He actually has joined third parties but they didn't take off. He's also definitely anti-capitalist.
- He's a socialdemocrat, which is still capitalism but with welfare.
- He actually has joined third parties but they didn’t take off.
  Absolute bullshit. He had the ear of the country in recent years, and could have told everyone to support a third party. Instead he funneled them into the undemocratic party.
What have you read about Bernie that justifies your outrage against him? Because he's done none of that.
- He called for "revolution" only to keep people voting for the Dems instead of building an alternative.
I agree that I didn't agree with him towing the line. But you can't argue that's he's been nothing but a source of good at least at the Senate level and inspiring new progressives
- Overall bad because of pulling young people in the Dems.
- Hilarious irony, I'm the one trying to build an alternative, you and Bernie are the problem.