He is most likely talking about the typical corporations, but it doesn't mean he's right about pointing the finger at wages. Wage labor isn't the cause of wage slavery and neither is the existence of a company. It's the authoritarian company structure, which is systemic to capitalism, that is causing an unfair power dynamic between the employer and employee. That power dynamic is what creates wage slaves.

As far as wages are concerned you can get a wage and not be a wage slave. It comes down to whether the company is with an authoritarian (capitalistic) or a democratic (socialist) structure.

People in cooperatives are slaves? To whom exactly?

They do exist and some of them swear Mac has better workflows (than windows because most of the time your options are Windows or Mac). I would call them loonies but I've seen some smart people use Macs.

Acting like Death Star interceptor and Vader Immortal don't exist.

That's not an entirely accurate representation, because after taxes you still use that money for housing and food and transportation etc. In business terms that 50k would still contain operating costs. So that $120 might still seem a lot.

That 50k a year should be extra money, the money left in your pocket after taxes, housing, groceries, other necessities and debts are paid off. That would give an accurate representation of how insignificant a $120 ticket would be.

102 million is a major fine for you. For meta that's less than 1% of their last quarter (which was 13 billion net income).

So another 5 years? IMO HDR is the perfect example why protocol development needs to be sped up. HDR is roughly a decade old at this point and (if we exclude custom implementations) we're still in the process of working it out.

Hamilton genuinely amazes me. When I think about Merc drivers I remember Russell trying to squeeze every point out of the car and Hamilton complaining about the car. And then I end up watching the overall standing and Hamilton is ahead of Russell? Like a magician he pulls points out of nowhere.

The only reason we're still here is because you keep coming back. You said your bye, I gave you my goodbye. But then you came back anyway because a) you're petty as fuck as evident from the downvotes and b) you can't stand someone, especially a socialist, talking shit about your autocratic wet dream, China.

Anywho, once again.

With the amount of false information, mental gymnastics, name calling and actual idiocracy I’m genuinely happy get be rid of you. France is fine, China sucks, fuck off.

I couldn't care less about your capitalist friend being arrested. I guess it's only western capitalists that you're against, Russian capitalists you defend.

Why are you linking sources that are objectively false? Multiple times. And then you claim I'm clowning?

I'll happily take the "fascist shithole" over the surveillance state that is China. But I wouldn't expect you to understand, you believe authoritarianism to be democracy.

Pro tip, almost always build your factory in such a way that you can expand upwards. It's very rare to have a place on the map where you can't expand upwards. The exception is when you need to use fluids, then it's generally better to build horizontally.

Of course you're going to cherry pick the one sentence that fits your narrative. 🤡

You said is declining, article is clear its not actually declining. "YoU'rE cHeRrY pIcKiNg"

Bye.

With the amount of false information, mental gymnastics, name calling and actual idiocracy I'm genuinely happy get be rid of you. France is fine, China sucks, fuck off.

China and India started in roughly the same spot after WW2, and there’s an obvious reason why they developed very differently. India develops exactly the same way every capitalist country has developed. It’s quite obvious that the same things hasn’t been happening in India. The fact that you call yourself a socialist and don’t understand these things really says volumes.

Enlighten me.

Last I checked there’s plenty of foreign investment in capitalist countries like India. Yet, they’re developing in a completely different way.

Are they really? In what way?

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/what-do-about-eus-relative-decline-2024-04-22/ https://www.attali.com/en/society/virtues-of-work/ https://qery.no/social-and-material-deprivation-in-europe-2023/ https://www.ipsos.com/en/29-europeans-say-they-are-currently-precarious-financial-situation https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/01/12/nearly-half-of-europeans-say-their-standards-of-living-have-already-declined-as-crises-mou

For fuck sake, the title of the first article literally says relative decline as in the standard of living isn't actually declining, and if you read the article it clearly states the household income isn't increasing as fast as it was before.

Considering how many times you've linked an article and it's complete BS I'm just not going to read any more of your articles. You link an article, find a suitable quote from the article that actually matches what you're claiming and then I'll bother to open the article, because if you can't be bothered neither can I.

Absolutely hilarious how you continue to ignore where China started.

You’re comparing a country that was a developed country more than 50 years ago to a country that has been a developing country in the last 50 years. No shit one of them is going to show a lot of progress. It’s like comparing the progress a person does in the first 18 years of the life to the progress of someone from the age of 30 to 48.

Explain to us why we don’t see the same thing happening in India for example.

There's a great article in HBR showing how India could become a significant global player by 2050 and what are the barriers that are preventing it. The same thing happening in India could be just a matter of time.

Explain why the standard of living in China is improving more rapidly anywhere or any time in history.

Foreign investment? Notice how the trend is almost identical with the household income you pointed at before

Meanwhile, also explain why the standard of living in Europe is declining.

Source?

It found that Chinese median wealth per adult, at $26,752, now outstrips Europe, where the average adult has a wealth of $26,690. The European figure takes into account the whole of the continent, which includes many less wealthy nations in its southern and eastern regions.

Yes, the average Chinese adult is richer than the average European by a whooping 0.22%. How about you read your own articles dumbass. It's literally an example of China reaching the standard of the western world.

EDIT. Forgot to bold a certain part so we can get back to that when you eventually start complaining about numbers again.

What You have to look at is the progression over time, as I’ve explained this in the last reply. Evidently that went over your head. Household income is a perfect example here incidentally:

You're comparing a country that was a developed country more than 50 years ago to a country that has been a developing country in the last 50 years. No shit one of them is going to show a lot of progress. It's like comparing the progress a person does in the first 18 years of the life to the progress of someone from the age of 30 to 48.

You're not proving China is somehow doing better than the western world, you're proving that China is reaching the same standard as the western world.

Come back when you have an actual argument.

Yeah I understand how time works, that’s why I gave you list of sources that show historical progress over time. Not just a single event happening, but clear demonstration of long term trends. I guess that was just too complicated for you to wrap your head around.

So as long as I give you similar data about France your protest argument doesn't count?

• Household income in the last 50 years can be found here

• I can't find the data on people living for less than $1 but you had another point about extreme poverty as well so we'll cover it there.

• The income of the poorest 20% in France is in line with China. Can't link you the exact data but you can put it together in the same databank you referenced.

• Amount of people living in extreme poverty in China and France

• Home ownership is great in China and this is one place where France (and most western countries) can't compete with.

• I'm not sure how concrete usage matters here so I'm just not going to look for that data.

• In terms of rail usage France seems to be doing just fine. In fact France seems to be doing pretty well in the public transit area

Unless you really want to hammer in on the housing based on what you've shown France is doing as well as China.

Nah, that’s just a simplistic straw man you keep building instead of addressing what I actually said.

I'm just building on what you've said. If you feel like it's a strawman, it's because that's the arguments you've given me.

Except I didn’t ignore the wider context, I addressed your points and explained my position clearly.

Nope. If anything you ignored what I asked and gave me, at that point, irrelevant shit that you're now trying to make relevant.

Projection will always be the way of the liberal I suppose.

Does that mean you're calling yourself liberal? Because you're projecting I'm a liberal but I'm a socialist.

Free? When was the last time you got free food? Free in the fully subsidized by the government kind of way. Unless you live on food stamps (in which case you're usually fucked in pretty much every other way) I can't think of another way how you'd get free food. I guess technically dumpster diving but I'm sure it's only a matter of time until it's made illegal (if it's not already illegal).

And if the food not free then more available food doesn't matter if the people can't afford it. We produce enough food to feed everyone and we still have people without food security.

I've literally linked you a bunch of sources showing how living conditions in China have been improving consistently over many decades. Your article isn't a counterpoint to that.

Meanwhile, Cuba is under draconian blockade by the US, and despite that having an obvious impact on the standard of living every poll shows mass support from the public for the government in Cuba. France, on the other hand, has no such excuse. It's one of the richest countries in the world that's been plundering the Global South through colonialism.

First of all, do you understand how time works? Your bunch of sources are years old, my source is months old. Maybe years ago everything is was fine, now it's not.

But more importantly, you said civil unrest is an indication of a bad democracy and you brought up those two countries as examples of good democracy. Your excuses might explain why there are unrest, but they don't invalidate the unrest. There's still unrest in those countries which means a) unrest is not an indicator or b) those countries are not examples of good democracy.

You're such a sad troll.

What if I'm dyslexic? What if my phone auto corrected it and I didn't notice? Why did I continue talking about it like I meant the other thing? It was an honest mistake on my part, but what is your excuse? Anyone actually paying attention would've questioned how did we get to "tangible benefits". In fact that's how I noticed my mistake in your response because unlike you I was actually paying attention to what you were saying. How do you excuse ignoring the wider context of what I was saying and focusing solely on the one thing that's out of place? I can't think of a single excuse where you don't come out as a bad actor, which is probably why you're name calling me instead of accepting fault. The sad troll here is you, getting caught with your pants down.