No. Return to physical keys.

If they make everything incredibly complicated people will either throw their hands up and become completely dependent on company controlled techs or spend 16 hours a day keeping up with minute tech changes. Either way we'll lack the ability toe control our lives.

This is the dumbest thing. I had to rescue a Tesla owner a couple of weeks ago, she was stuck in our lobby because her phone battery died and she couldn’t open her car so I went back to get her a charger

Can't believe that dumbass walks around without the credit card sized key.
- Yeah I couldn’t believe how insane it was. Her charger was, of course, inside the car….
  
  At least she was nice and brought me cookies the next time I saw her :3
Still love the car!

Imagine being stranded because your phone died lol

Imagine being stranded because the cellular network signal is too weak
- At least with iphones if you have no signal and your phone is dead, you will still be able to use it to get into the car.
- It's a mall crawler that they pretend people will take offroading, too

Physical keys, physical buttons, physical currency

I will never budge on any of this

Physical media storage, too. Fuck the cloud.
Pushing play on the touchscreen 50 times bc it won't register
- Now imagine doing this while driving 80 miles in a modern pick up truck.
touchscreens while driving? they have played us for absolute fools
Me with a touchscreen phone, no cash, and since it was mentioned, and keeping everything in cloud storage (mostly because I dont have room for it all on my harddrive, but also so I can access it on multiple devices).

Not that you're not right. The touchscreen is only because thats the only thing being made anymore anyway lol. I find cash inconvenient but you're completely correct about it ideologically speaking.

Return to physical keys and mandate that they cost 20$

You ever lost a key and had to buy a new one? It's like 150$ for no reason!

Go to a key copier and make one as a backup I’ve never paid more than like $20 for a key literally ever.
- Modern cars have keyless entry and push start so you can't simply make a backup key at a locksmith. They can duplicate the emergency key that serves as a backup for the door but it won't start the car because you need the code programmed in.

buys multi ton metal heap

yeah sure the key fob is wasteful

If something needs an app to operate I don't buy it ever. Simple as. Stop trying to shove your malware addled garbage onto me.

Having the fob in my pocket and just getting in the car and turning it on is way more convenient than getting out my phone, waiting for Face ID to fail twice, and then entering my passcode.

Yeah my phone is certainly never dead when I'm away from my home. These people are clowns.

i drive a car with a key. like the kind you insert into the ignition and turn. i was giving somebody from work a ride the other day, and they were like, "wow, i haven't seen one of those in a while!"

i know i'll probably have to do the FOB thing eventually (because the future is when every simple mechanism requires a battery), but i would refuse anything that needed my phone. yes, let's make the cell phone, the device that has 10-20X'd in price in 15 years and become the near-universal tether to work, identity, and payment become the single point of failure that renders one completely fucked if broken, stolen, lost, or drained.

people who bazinga over shit like this are people who confuse being dependent on a technology with understanding a technology.

Boomer question, but how do you drop your car off for an oil change or whatever without a key?

at the certified and approved service desk with the dealership, where you can pay top dollar for parts and labor and you have no recourse to their diagnostics.
or, as those of us olds with now-classic cars refer to it as, the stealership. remember: you didn't buy a vehicle. you bought the ability to drive it sometimes and the right to funnel more money to the manufacturer/broker when it fucks up.
- https://youtu.be/BT7ClqtA-3M?si=4ZSFSFLuOlX4XyAw
Here's the valet key, a second phone
As someone with a Tesla. There are "keys" they are just cards, think rfid cards for those who know, if you don't just think credit card size.

I can't be the only person who doesn't have a constant, uninterrupted cell signal and constant access to a wall outlet. The idea that everything for everyone can always be done on a cell phone always seems like unexamined, tech utopianism.

"Your OS is not compatible with this application, update your phone's OS"

clicks system update in Settings

"Your phone is no longer supported and cannot upgrade to the current version of this operating system."

Keyfobs have physical buttons that provide tactile feedback that a phone can never offer

That in and of itself makes the keyfob superior

To be fair, nothing in a Tesla has physical feedback. It's all touchscreens and fly by wire
- And it's objectively a worse experience for it.
- If your tesla goes up in flames you got the physical feedback regarding your discission of buying a tesla.
That a phone can never offer.... anymore.

Hello sir did you remember to pay your $200 per year ignition access fee

Don't tempt them!
- trust me, they're already working on it. they already made airbags that require a subscription

I was hanging out with my friend and he said he couldn't check his phone but the reason why is embarrassing.

Turns out his battery was low and he couldn't start his Tesla without it lol

Mfw my bike lock has a physical key

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"Your phone is the best car key" and other statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

Carbrain really does this to a mf

I would say this is something deeper and more sinister than carbrain. This person probably also soyfaces when he sees refrigerators that allow you to use a dedicated app to make the adjustments that you have to make twice a year.

This world fucking sucks

Don’t these people piss themselves over crime and hobos? What happens if you lose your phone or get robbed? You’d have no choice but gasp ride the bus like a poor

Keyless entry was the worst idea

Keyless entry

YESSSSS

More inconveniences for car drivers. Bike gang 4 life

the biggest waste in this scenario is the tesla itself

Yet another thing to hack. Combined with automated driving, we could do very funny things with this...

To that end, these key fobs that you just leave in your purse eat up coin cell batteries like crazy.

The battery in a key fob I have has to be replaced every 2 years. It's not like the old remotes where it only transmits when you press the button. Because of the stupid push button start, it HAS to transmit all of the time and kill your battery on a schedule. This isn't some luxury car either, it's a base model mazda.

Car companies don't get enough hate for taking away the glorious key barrel. It's even more convenient, because it gives you a place to put your key while you're driving. I hate having it in my pocket and since there's no ignition now, I have to put it somewhere in the car instead of sticking it in a place I don't use.

Denmark is moving to a system where all tail cards are exclusively on the phone. I hate it. Yeah let's make it so kids can't travel alone, let's make it difficult for the elderly, let's make it so you have to carry a GPS device, lets make it so you have to carry a charged phone, let's fine you if you run out of juice.

I'm so out of touch with news in Denmark, whats happening?
Also DR stop doing sensational headlines pls you're the national news agency you don't have to do this shit, you get money from taxes.

better idea: how about we kill elon musk instead?

And don't even get me fucking started on proximity locking. Absolute nightmare.

The system that has an imperfect grasp on basic necessities like food distribution should have even more control - tech nerd fuckers

Aren't like half these social maladapts praying for the zombie apocalypse or some sort of similar culling event? I hope there's a false alarm and they get shotgunned in the face by some paranoid prepper when they approach a house with a generator to barter a cup of electricity to start their phone

I mean, fobs do have value, but keyless entry is sketch and probably too much (wonder if keyless entry could be patched based eg. on some timing check so that even if the thief uses a range extender the timing would be off too much and it would lock out)

Returning to physical keys is great because it makes stealing cars easier

Too many potential inconveniences. Why not have a car that does facial recognition of the people who approach it? If the facial recognition is accurate enough, that would eliminate the keys, and you wouldn’t have to worry about battery.

Ah shoot, but what if you wanted to share the vehicle with someone temporarily?

On second thought, keys have worked great for thousands of years for controlling physical access.

yeah, let's make cara profile every single person who walks by. better yet, they should just call the cops if they don't recognize the person so they can kill the Black person.
- Privacy implications is a great reason to use a regular physical key.

crazy idea: give us both options