Ultras weeping over dead IDF soldiers and calling them “proletarians”
“Communists” crying over dead occupation soldiers and fascists, equating fascists to those who resist genocide
Ultras be like: the haitians are killing proletariat slave owners 💔
"The Cubans killed a bunch of small business owners"
Mom and pops sugar refineries
There's literally a guy in that thread defending wehrmacht conscripts I'm gonna die how are these people real
Someone got banned for posting this image in the comment mocking them
I can still feel bad that millions of Germans got killed. But you know who's fault that was? Themselves in aggregate and the nazis specifically. I'm not going to defend the average Fritz. Especially because they had all the fucking guns. Armies exist, in theory, to defend their people. The German army failed that task. They should have deposed the nazis and surrendered when their homeland was under invasion. The outcome of the war was settled it just hadnt ended yet. Instead they fought on, more innocents got killed for the egos of their genocidal masters. I can't defend that shit even on Opposite Day. Fuckin ultras.
Bordiga was and remains a blight on communist discourse
Are they selfaware enough to also defend smol bean 3rd Reich being victim of unjust full scale invasion of ebil USSR Staltler imperialism and no, history didn't exist prior nor after 1945?
I don’t really understand ultras. They seem to see themselves as being the farthest left you can get while being the stereotypical armchair leftists that talk revolution and do nothing outside of that.
I always thought Ultra Lefts were a CIA job, since they only really exists on the internet to troll the Left (from the left), never ran into one in real life. Then I read an obituary of one...but then again it might just be the CIA being elaborate heh
Well, ultras go back much further than the CIA does. Lenin famously wrote about the phenomenon as an infantile disorder back in 1920. But that's not to say that the disorder hasn't been often used by the likes of the CIA and anticommunists in general as one of the many tools in their bag to smear and discredit actual Marxist-Leninists. There are plenty of genuine ultras out there but finding the line that differentiates them from psyops is usually a fool's errand. Honestly, I think there are some ultras whose hearts really are in the right place, they just crucially failed at the materialist part of dialectical materialism. The jackass in OP is not one of these.
MKULTRA leftists
My local org claim to be MLs, but are just stereotypical ultras who spend more time whinging about Big Bad China than they do actually doing any community outreach. 😭
I don’t really understand ultras. They seem to see themselves as being the farthest left you can get while being the stereotypical armchair leftists that talk revolution and do nothing outside of that.
These aren't as contradictory as you might think. They claim to be the "most left" because they want to deny the existence of actual leftist movements, because they want to remain in their comfortable armchair and protect their ego. They are leftists to feel good about themselves, not to actually improve things.
An infantile disorder.
No don’t you understand? All countries are capitalist which means all countries are imperialist which means they are all exactly equal and there’s no stance we can ever take on anything because it’s all the same
A lot of trots have improved, but easily 30% will still argue this.
The working man has no country. From an orthodox marxist or left communist perspective it does actually make sense to say all countries are invalid and a pox on both their houses. They are, however, not doing that. They're condemning the individual casualties of the IDF while ignoring the mass murder of Palestinians.
Bruh what the fuck is that subreddit how do these people call themselves leftist
It constantly treads the line of being a parody, and it is good for my sanity to believe that they understand that.
I'm fairly sure that even the regulars in that sub have no idea what's real or not anymore lol
Pretty sure a good portion of the posts are satire
No they are not, they are actually like this
They are being insincere and ironic and aloof, they are shitposting. But they are all actual left anti-communists who think no revolution in history was actually socialist
No. It's a shitposting sub not satire
One of the ultra left mods bans someone for questioning the insanity of these responses.
These ultra arguments aren't even just spinning weird contrarian academics, it's complete reality denial.
I think the most recent poll of Israelis put the 'approve of the actions in Gaza' combined with 'should go further' at 78%.
That's only going to be high in the IDF, even taking into account conscription, because a) the most opposed wouldn't serve so aren't wouldn't be part of the IDF sample and b) the majority of the IDF is not made up of freshly drafted 18 year old conscripts.
So maybe there's like 1 or 2 guys there at statistical most who aren't totally comfortable with the genocide but still not enough to dodge it or go to jail for a bit.
Why shouldn’t I spit on someone’s grave just because they’re conscripted? Who gives a shit? If you’re willing to commit atrocities because you were conscripted, literally just do it your team and officers. And regardless of conscription, most of them agree with the status quo and want it to go further with genocide. I don’t give a shit if you’re some broke hobo who got sent to war. If you have the same ideology, you being bitter because you got forced to do the dirty work doesn’t make anything different. All those “sad” videos of soldiers reflecting in Iraq or Vietnam or some shit, they’re just sad because they saw their team mates die or because they’re shot at. They couldn’t care less about the people they’ve killed.
And plus, it’s fucking Israel. Just gleams and go to New York or something. There are a bunch of zionists who don’t live in Israel and you’ll fit right in.
They really seem to ignore that said conscripts are more or less handed weapons by the oppressors committing genocide. And puts them in a good position to just take all the weapons they can and build an armed resistance with said weapons. They might have been forced into being there, but they could be finding others and merc-ing the genocidal and apartheid fucks. If the right-wing govs want to unintentionally arm the left and other people that know said govs are evil. Then it seems foolish to not exploit the fuck out of it. Even if the conscripts might have been initially not against their govs. The moment that they wake the fuck up, it is basically still supporting evil if they don't rebel. Shit is already a war, so the otherwise regular day to day things that might hold someone back are gone. You are either going to be killed for following orders and attacking the oppressed. Or you might get killed for fighting back. If being killed is likely anyway, then fucking at least be on the correct side of shit.
Cry about it
I'm both confuzzled and amused.
Ultras are the worst types of people. Full support when they get
in an actual revolution."The fact that I'm now having this exact same conversation again after the millionth person makes the same obvious and unanswered critique of my ideas should be a moment of existential angst for them."
"Ugh you shit yourself, you should wash up"
IVE BEEN DEALING WITH YOU PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME
There's a reason Gramsci rotted in prison while Mussolini didn't even bother killing Bordiga.
From NATOpedia:
Bordiga was released in 1931 on the occasion of his niece’s marriage to a fascist. He also posed in a group of Blackshirts and the photograph was published in a fascist newspaper.
What a fucking snake.
didn't he love hitler too?
That the only true proletarian revolution in human history was in 1917 and then after that it was immediately corrupted and no other revolution happened ever again. They like to say they are more Leninist than Lenin, but in reality they are more Trotskyist than Trotsky.
There is no urgency among them to take any type of action, form any type of organization, support any kind of cause, and in fact doing any of that is derided and mocked.
"Ultra" is a big blanket term that usually just means any alleged "communist" who explicitly rejects all successful socialist movements as failures for one reason or another. As a result, it can seem like they have completely incoherent and contradictory beliefs because there are a lot of types of ultra. Basically anyone who declares AES as invalid or revisionist is usually an ultra, and anyone who rejects materialism in favour of idealism. Pretty much anytime someone claims to be the "one true leftist" they're an ultra.
I once saw a thread there (highly upvoted) claiming that communists should have done revolutionary defeatist in the soviet union during ww2. They are basically lapdog of fascism with a red coat. I have seen a high number of ultras being sympathetic to fascists.
The real redfash.
Usually Bordigists, of the Italian Communist Party. It's a fork of Orthodox Marxism that accepts Lenin but denounces Marxism-Leninism.
This subreddit is leftcom whereas "ultra" gets used a bit more broadly, for example Chinese communists have used it to refer to their "the cultural revolution was good actually" side of the left.
Deeply unserious
No you see if you'd just let them kill several myriads more Ghazzan children they would've y'know achieved class consciousness and stuff somehow, and that would've made up for them killing myriads of Ghazzan children somehow
IDF killbots just need to reach their pre-set kill limits and they will turn off achieve class consciousness - Ultrazapp Brannigan
The only relevant point to make is that these people have made no condemnation of the murder of Palestinian proletariat, they can claim "The workingman has no country" if they wish, but their banner is an Israeli flag and they care only for one side. I.e. they're just liberals. What's worse they're idealists doing flag fucking under the guise of communism.
I must stress that this assumes you buy into their proclaimed framework. From a personal perspective they're genocidal freaks and I hope they die.
Wait there are people who consider themselves ultraleftists
It’s left comms and stupidpol types. They act like they are the purest Marxian scholars and everyone else is stupid and wrong about what socialism means (talk a lot about commodities and other Marxian buzzwords to signal they are theory readers) but they are racist, aligned with imperialists, not committed to anti-fascism, and generally just never want to accomplish anything.
they call themselves ultras????
Maybe they got tired of being call that and embraced it.
Lol they never change
Still doesn't top them denouncing Gazan imperialism.
I can think of a good handful of historical events where they show their ass. Though none of them are as over-the-top "how the fuck are you this wrong?" level as that.
Don't they also have to fucking volunteer for combat roles?? I swear I've heard talk about how in general yes there is forced conscription however most just end up in logistics and stuff like that.
That’s essentially true of almost all militaries in the sense that only really ~25% of units are combat units in that they specifically train to close with and fight the enemy. The other 75% are logistics with some basic combat training if ever needed, but in comparison to dedicated fighting units it’s pretty lackluster.
Needs of the Army trump your volunteer chosen MOS.
You can enlist as a Cook, go to Cook school, get through it, get to your first unit, and get orders to send you to Expert Infantry school.
Ultra = good
Left = left
If you refuse conscription to the IDF they just put you in jail for a while, they don't fucking kill you
fucking clown shit
Yeah but once you serve your sentence they can just conscript you to serve again, which means it's back to jail.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the IDF incompetence is actually fragging
I would literally rather go to jail multiple times than agree to join the baby flamethrower duty squad
Just leave the country lmao