Unless users take action, Android will let Gemini access third-party apps
Unless users take action, Android will let Gemini access third-party apps
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Unless users take action, Android will let Gemini access third-party apps
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Laughs in Graphene
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Google: Laughs in "Everybody else you communicate with who has that shit enabled"
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Sadly true in any situation that requires talking to anyone else.
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Not a day goes by that I don't regret installing that on my phone.
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This... Except for contactless payment.
I used graphene for a month. It was lovely. Even things like banking apps worked.
I don't care about absolute privacy, but I do care about controlling my privacy. Grapheme gave me that.I had only 1 issue.
Contactless payment.
It's extremely convenient to me, from public transport to groceries. I just bop my phone.The fact that Google has that locked down surely violates some EU laws. But I'm sure they wave away the laws because of "financial security" or some other bullshit.
As if bank card NFC/contactless doesn't suffer exactly the same issues.
I looked into some "graphene contactless payment" type systems or workarounds, and I couldn't find anything that would fill the gap. -
So you regret it every day? GOS is amazing in my opinion. What's your gripe with it?
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Why? Curious.
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I installed GrapheneOS for the security and lack of Google. I didn't know it was a very nice stock Android without any crap. I love it.
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Is it just me or does it seem slightly sus that GrapheneOS is only available for Google hardware...
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There are many technical reasons why: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices
Every Android phone (besides Pixel) fails to meet the high technical requirements of the project.
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I believe /e/OS supports a broader range of devices, and it's also pretty great in my experience. The focus is on getting rid of google (replacing all services with MicroG and nextcloud integration) and blocking trackers while providing a smooth user experience, so it's security features are not as over the top as Graphene. It's still a huge freaking improvement over stock Android though, and I find it to be a joy to use.
On devices supported by the online installer it can be up an running in like 30 minutes, no technical skills required. :)
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so jealous, wish it or lineage os worked on any of my phones
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Does this induce a current?
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Wish there were better 3rd party mobile options. On pc I can install Linux on any laptop made in the last 15 years and it will work basically flawlessly. No such equivalent exists for smart phones
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I'm still praying for TempleOS mobile version.
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God does not wish HolyC to compile to lowly ARM architectures
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You really think that the holy OS can even fit in such a small, restrictive device as a cellphone? Of course not! It needs room to truly achieve transcendence.
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FairPhone can run Postmarket OS, eOS, iodeos, calyxos and lineageos.
Some have longer support than others. Also you can buy separate parts for their phones and they are modular.
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Yes but do they support the digital national ID and SSO apps that are (only) avaliable for android and apple? Until they do, a lot of users are going to be locked into those two big OS vendors. ๐
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Yes, but i have a Nothing Phone (1). I should check the other alternatives, but afaik lineageos does not support my phone.
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LineageOS
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Your chats are saved in your account for up to 72 hours, whether Gemini Apps Activity is on or off.
https://myactivity.google.com/product/gemini
I wonder how long before AI services are added to ad blockers and VPN privacy controls.
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up to 72 hours
(then we permanently add them to our private fingerprint folder based on any google-related link or api you've ever interacted with)
The time limits on their spyware might as well be ignored.
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Bwahahahah
I locked that shit out fucking day one. Fuck Gemini.
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Is there a petition for antitrust charges against Google somewhere? I'm over the duopoly. Both options suck.
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Narrator: And users did not in fact, take action.
It'll just be one more thing for them to complain and do nothing about. That is all.
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Most people wont even notice. My non techy friends love their new Pixel phones and all the AI assistance.
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This reminds me that i wanted to unlicl my bootloader on my phone...
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I switched Gemini language to an unsupported language.
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I just went into my settings after reading this article (and getting a bit frustrated that it was a wall of text with no clear instructions right up front).
I did a search in settings for "gemini" and found the Gemini settings. There's no clear 'off' switch. But there's is an option to switch back to Google Assistant. So I did that. And not when I search for Gemini in settings it urges me to enable Gemini.
I'm taking that as a good sign that I've disabled it permanently. Thought I'd post this info in case it helps someone else. Or so if I'm incorrect somebody else can correct me.
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I mean there were no instructions up front because literally Google is refusing to give them, basically.
No more choice just the company force feeding the user and saying it's good for them.Nowhere in the email or any of the Support pages did Google say how to remove all Gemini integrations from my phone.
I then emailed Google PR and... I asked if someone could provide actionable guidance for my readers who want to ensure Gemini integrations are completely disabled. Instead of answering the question, the person responding to my email wrote, in part: โThis update is good for users: they can now use Gemini to complete daily tasks on their mobile devices like send messages, initiate phone calls, and set timers while Gemini Apps Activity is turned off. With Gemini Apps Activity turned off, their Gemini chats are not being reviewed or used to improve our AI models.โLiterally that reads like you can't turn it off and they just scrape less of your data on a technicality.
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I just spent half an hour yesterday uninstalling all apps, registry entries and in-program options for Copilot in Windows and MS Office... but I still can't get rid of the Copilot button in Outlook. Searching for answers I ended up at the Microsoft support forums and clicked a link to office dot com... and realized there that the entire ecosystem is now called MS365 Copilot App (formerly known as Office)... so I suspect there will be NO way to remove this stuff in the future, and probably that MS365 Copilot will eventually replace Windows itself.
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AICore under all apps. Disable and delete files. Done.
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While I wouldn't assume anything is permanent these days, I'd agree for the moment. I had already uninstalled Gemini on my phone (2ish months ago) and just verified I still see Google listed as the default assistant.
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Anyone know if this is happening outside the US and if it is whether it's happening inside the EU?
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Yeah, this seems like an easy lawsuit in the EU tbh
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I live in Finland using Android on a Nokia and I can switch Gemini off completely and choose to use the old Google Assistant instead. It did initially appear out of nowhere when they patched it in, but I could immediately turn it off with the same prompt that the other guy also got.
If it's unavoidable it seems to be an US only thing atm.
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Opt-out by default in the EU I'm fairly sure.
You can check here: https://myactivity.google.com/product/gemini
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I'm in the UK and today I got asked whether I wanted to leave this on or not - it just notified me and asked me to confirm my consent.
So I think this article's headline is slightly misleading - Google is actively informing users and asking them to confirm their consent.
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That's good. I haven't had anything though, hopefully saved by the EU.
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Hey Folks, we have "AI" for you and you will use it, whether you want it or not...
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Doesnt Apple also do this with Siri and basically every app unless the user untoggles it?
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Yes, for the amount of hate Google gets... Which I think it is fair to be critical of any product that compromises privacy... I recently tried helping my mom clean up her iPhone, and seriously like 100x worse. Almost everything you do on Apple demands you have another Apple device. One of the worst experiences I've ever dealt with.
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Isn't there some form of sampling bias here though? The kind of people who generally would care about these things likely also care about interoperability and would be on Android. I wouldn't be surprised if iPhone users simply don't care if Apple demands them to do anything.
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Kinda sounds like you just donโt know how to use an iPhone.
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Yes and you have to untoggle it for each and every app individually
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Except Apple has better marketing, and is primarily marketed for those who're excited for every tech "innovation".
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Gemini? I don't have Gemini in my pixel 8a, stock
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I'm not signed into a Google account on my phone, am I safe?
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Go to Settings --> Apps
Find "Gemini" and tap into the app page and tap disable
If you can't find Gemini, you phone probably didn't get the Google Play System Update yet, so check the app list when you update next time. (Or you can refuse to update, but outdated android comes with security risks)
Mine is already disable for some reason. Maybe I did that a while ago and forgot about it.
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Gemini: okay! i'm disabled ๐ค๐๐ค
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Mine apparently didn't, but it's an older Samsung. Like, micro-USB era. I'd be surprised if Google ever autoinstalls Gemini because of the age.
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ADB tools โ> remove google services and other spyware apps โ> oops, you bricked your phone
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I swear, whenever I try to use it, it just makes me wish I could delete it. I ask the answer to a simple question and it gives me a whole essay on how this one aspect of what I said is more nuanced than one would imagine, and I'm left there waiting 5 minutes to get it to say anything of substance, but it doesn't when I explicitly tell it to "just give me the fucking answer", which I have to say every time for it to say anything useful.
It also doesn't work with timers or anything actually useful and I doubt it'll get any better with third party app access.
Google assistant was so much better, it even still works with its servers being down (for me at least) because it's a better assistant than whatever Gemini is supposed to be.
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I mean, Google Assistant is getting replaced with Gemini and so far that was the biggest pain point of mine: No I don't want to turn on Gemini activity history, yes I still want to be able to make calls with it...
This is nicer, imo. You can just not have Gemini app to not let this happen. 72 hour retention is pretty standard, if not better than most of free LLM providers. I hate Google with passion and I try to avoid them as much as possible but Gemini is just so darn easy to use. I also use Kagi and their assistant does most of the heavy lifting & privacy concerning.
edit: Clearly there are some misunderstandings? They have been basically putting pretty much essential features behind the wall of opting in for App history for no reason. I compromise and use them for trivial stuff.
You can always delete Gemini app or turn of integrations manually(sucks that its opt out and not opt in). This is better since it's giving privacy aware who wish to disable history but still want to use integrations, a choice.
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My experience with Gemini:
Gemini: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
WTF is the point of it then?
Imagine taking away the only useful feature of a voice assistant ๐
My recent experience with my phone is I tell it to set a 5 minute timer and it sets one in the fucking Google search browser, and if I page away I lose the timer.
I just use the timer on my microwave, I suppose the kitchen is the most likely place you'd want a timer. Unless you were using 5 minute epoxy.
When I first got into Android (I miss my Nexus 6 T.T ), it felt like I could do so much more with my phone than I can now. I had so much cool automation shit that leveraged stuff like Google assistant voice commands, but now it's shit on so many levels. It goes beyond the user facing side of things; I used to use the app Tasker for a lot of the automation stuff, and over the years, it seems like the dev has been climbing an uphill battle against Google gating off functionality, and generally making things opaque and difficult for developers.