5mo ago

Trump Signals He Might Ignore the Courts | Yesterday, the president said that no judge “should be allowed” to rule against the changes his administration is making.

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Trump Signals He Might Ignore the Courts

This is the very essence of the difference that should exist between a President and a King. From Federalist 69:

The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The person of the king of Great Britain is sacred and inviolable; there is no constitutional tribunal to which he is amenable; no punishment to which he can be subjected without involving the crisis of a national revolution. In this delicate and important circumstance of personal responsibility, the President of Confederated America would stand upon no better ground than a governor of New York, and upon worse ground than the governors of Maryland and Delaware.

The failure of the Republican party to support this kind of check on Presidential power is why we're having this crisis now.

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5mo ago

Trump Signals He Might Ignore the Courts | Yesterday, the president said that no judge “should be allowed” to rule against the changes his administration is making.

www.theatlantic.com /politics/archive/2025/02/trump-vance-courts/681632/

208 comments

"Oh, shit, so you mean Biden could have just cancelled all that student debt anyway?"
"Well of course not, don't be stupid!"
- That's the problem with being on the side of the rule of law: you're constrainted by it, but the side of lawlessness is not.
  
  Something about in groups and out groups
  
  If you outlaw dictatorships, only outlaws will be dictators.
  
  being on the side of the rule of law
  Except when you override prohibitions on arming a county in defiance of the ICC because it's Israel.
This is the step where the cart goes over the top of the hill, you're not coming back if this starts.
Hard to hear, but if goes forward, this does signal that it's breaking windows time. We all have a Luigi line, start really considering where yours is...
Especially if you're young, and they are doing this before you have been able to establish your own career or a family of your own, the rest of the world needs your strength and energy in these moments. Make no mistake, they are threatening you directly, they want to sell your future for a small profit added to the pile they are hoarding. Decide how hard you want to fight against that
- Especially if you're older and know that everything you've worked for is at risk. Especially if you're middle aged and your hope of a comfortable old age is being destroyed. Especially if you have family, and know your children's future depends on it.
  I know you mean well but fuck ageism, the youth always fight. They don't need a pep talk, older people do.
  
  And then there are the rest of us. Not quite young anymore, but we were robbed of the chance to even have anything to anchor us down. We've been squeezed out of the housing market nearly our entire adult lives. We never could justify having a child, perhaps because of money, perhaps because our consciences wouldn't let us, perhaps because of both. We job-hop every few years already, as it's the only way we've ever received a sizable pay raise.
  There is no house, no child, and no job for us to worry about losing. I don't know about y'all, but I've been doing little more than fighting to get by for far too long.
  I'm ready to fight for something else.
  
  Heh. I'm middle aged and the only hope of comfort I've ever had for my elder years is chemical. I'm what you call an optimist.
So, those 2A people being real fuckin quiet now that an actual tyrant is in play.
- The objection was always that somebody dark-skinned might be President, or that assets might be expropriated from billionaires, not that tyranny might be an issue.
- As a leftist who owns firearms, I'm waiting for everything to kick off (in Minecraft obviously)
  
  Be the change you want to see. In Minecraft.
- That’s because their team is the tyrant.
- Haven't seen or heard anything from Trump supporters in my area since day 3 of the presidency. Wonder why.... It couldn't be that they have no faces left cause of the leopards... Could it? 🤔
- What's Alex Jones mouthing off about now? This was his thing decades ago.
- they want a hierarchy and the freedom to enforce it. nothing else.
- The time to rise would have been when Alabama banned abortion. Even before the kids in cages shit.
- They are two buysy fantasizing that a black guy is on their porch.
- What are they supposed to say? If they say anything they're gonna have the SS knocking on their door.
  
  Might need more Secret Service agents if all gun owners spoke out against tyranny. Like, millions of agents 😅
i hope everyone is preparing for all of this to end in violence
- It shouldn't stop at just him. This whole situation was a team effort - Musk, Yarvin, Thiel, and many others worked towards destroying America. The whole lot must go, else they will simply try again when the winds are right.
  
  Hate to break it to you but kinda tip of the iceberg. And murdering trump would absolutely serve to make him a co-opted martyr and throw us into the absolute fucking deep end.
- best I can do is the democratic party going "tsk tsk" geriatrically.
  
  What about a sternly written letter followed by claims that we can’t rock the boat?
  
  What they're doing as a result of constituent pressure is voting 'no' on everything. It's not having a huge impact yet because confirming cabinet appointments only needs 51 votes, and Republicans have that with a few to spare.
  The place it'll be meaningful is on the debt ceiling increase, where it will take Democratic votes to pass it in both houses.
Time to use those guns you've been hoarding. Wasn't that the reason you're even allowed to have them?
- Nah. That was to support the Russian takeover.
- That's what they claimes. Now they need a new claim
- The Democrats disarmed themselves.
  
  Source?
Fuck these bastards
That fucking Lizard Peter Thiel fucking rebooted when asked about the popular support for Luigi. The mother fucker had not thought about what happens when we the people get tired of their shit and unite against them. They've spent so much time and money dividing us so they can take it all it never occurred that it might backfire.
- That blubbering little weasel. “Y-y-you have to find another way.” I think was the line he used. We tried other ways. Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Luigi showed how to fight back with some effect.
  
  Thiel, Yarvin etc., are all so convinced of their own superiority that any actual challenge to their world view/tactics is completely unexpected. They can only comprehend doing violence to people who won't do anything about it. They get their rocks off over child murderers, and state sanctioned violence, but cry when the people they want to step on show and ounce of spine. It's pathetic.
Is it time to petition the military to intervene?
- When I was little, long before I had a reason to want it to be true, I had this theory that the Secret Service, which is obviously not a secret, was called that because they had a secret mandate: If the President ever gets really out of pocket and goes for dictator powers, it's their job to execute him as a traitor.
  Anyway, I doubt it's true, but I've been thinking about it a lot lately.
  
  The Praetorian Guard killed some emperors, but that isn't an official duty of the Secret Service. Of course, it wasn't an official duty of the Praetorian Guard either.
  
  You just made me hope for a second, you beautiful bastard
- Not yet. Trump saying something horrifying while it not being entirely clear he understands what he's actually saying or how anything in government is supposed to work is what we call Monday around here.
  
  You don't want the military intervening they might decide to run things in a manner efficient for the end user instead of the rich people!
- i want to do than cross my fingers for this. i wonder what the proper channels really are.
  
  There's no proper channels for this. Either the military leadership is motivated or they're not.
Once again, to no-one's surprise. Trump loudly claimed he would do this long ago
Choose a felon as President, expect him to commit crimes... enjoy
"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal"
-- Richard Nixon, 1977.
You've had 47 years to do something about this, to be able to hold your leaders accountable, and apparently it wasn't worth the effort.
I guess the upside is you won't have to worry about all that wasteful election spending any more. 👍
- You don't understand (or maybe you do but aren't saying it). The Nixon scandal is what started the modern shitshow as we know it. Nixon's supporters would be royally pissed that there was no specific media apparatus to fully support Nixon and his shit. They would go on to fight to repeal the fairness doctrine and to start Fox News and the modern propaganda media as we know it.
  BTW, a few years ago (during Trump's first administration or a bit after) they even SAID 'when the president does it , it isn't not illegal' or some slight word difference as a way of signalling their ultimate victory in trying to do what they wanted to have happened during Nixon's scandals.
- Oh, they’ll still allow that spending to show how many votes he gets next time. Like the other dictators do.
lol here it comes.
Dictator
- But he said he'd only be a dictator for one day! Are you saying that's not how dictatorships work?!
  
  "For one day" or "from day one"?
Groundwork for a coup by the sounds of it. When the next election is supposed to happen I wonder if he'll declare martial law due to some invented issue.
- Groundwork for a coup by the sounds of it.
  GROUNDWORK??!!
So much for law and order I guess.
These are unamerican people.
- And people voted for this!! I feel like I'm in some fucking fever dream.
The gears grind slower each rotation, yet we're still surprised when the machine jams. Constitutional guardrails only work if the drivers pretend they exist—a quaint fiction evaporating under the heat of performative strongman politics. We've seen this before: executive overreach dressed as "emergency," norms crumbling like stale bread.
What's novel is the brazenness. Courts are now just another PR obstacle, their rulings reduced to content for the outrage algorithm. Linz warned of dueling mandates, not this farce where one branch swallows the rest whole. The Founders' checks? Dry rot under the floorboards, termites long since victorious.
Democracy cosplay can't hide the scaffolding. When the executive branch treats the judiciary as a nuisance, the only remaining question is how many will still clap as the curtain falls.
So like, when will other countries start letting us evacuate to them?
- We haven't done a whole lot lately to endear ourselves to allies and partner nations unfortunately
  
  Sadly a lot of the people who will get fucked the hardest, like myself, are also the kinda people who agree with the frustrations of allied and partnered nations, yet will get judged based on the behavior of magats instead of the fact that we don't want any of the shit the US is doing but can't change anything.
- Hi, just about any EU country here, please apply for asylum at the nearest convenient embassy in the US, and we will get to you once we processed all these people from Syria, and Africa at large. This may take several decades as the Nazis your government is funding are lobbying to defund the whole thing.
  If you want to try to expedite this process you might want to hop over to Albania and try to make your case at the wonderful township of Röszke where you can be a backdrop to the next election campaign in Hungary.
  Helpful phrases include:
  Fehér vagyok, nem migráns! - I'm white, not a migrant!
  Van pénzem! - I have money!
  Less helpful phrases that will only elicit laughter are:
  Vannak jogaim! - I have rights!
  Emberi lény vagyok! - I am a human being!
  Don't worry, our best people who we could get to supplement the border guard as "border hunters" for 130 EUR a month full time are there to help you. They are highly qualified, as attending school for at least 8 years is mandatory (any actual grade attainment is not guaranteed and frankly unlikely).
  You thought the ICE was bad.
- lol nobody is coming to save us.
  
  your police have been militarizing themselves for 20 years to make sure you dont save yourselves, either.
- And where the fuck do you plan to go? As a Canadian, I'm looking at where to send my family to be safe from the YOUR country.
  
  Bro, I want to keep my family safe from MY country. It’s all bad.
And unless someone enforces the rules and consequences for breaking them for the first time in his miserable fucking life, he will be correct.
Dear Americans, where are your protests?
- Do you have a link for the Superbowl edits?
- There's protests in every state. The media is just ignoring them.
- There are more people on the streets when a new iphone is released
- Nothing happened when we did.
  
  You need more disruptive protests.
  Americans have been trained to clutch their pearls but that disrupting commerce with protests is wrong and that's exactly what we're seeing: complaints but no disruptive action so they are easily ignored.
- Too cold outside for Americans to organize en masse. Gotta wait for the spring and summer for them to seriously work together.
RIP US constitution.
You were a good constitution and worked as a framework for democracies around the world.
- You were a good constitution
  Was it though? It institutionalized slavery for nearly a century, was blatantly sexist for well over a century, and enshrined a majoritarian system that created the political duopoly that has plagued the US since its inception.
  
  if you take your modern glasses off and understand it in context, it was actually pretty forward thinking despite its flaws.
- Sure...
  Definitely not the Magna Carta.
  
  I went and read the Wikipedia page on democracy after your comment and learned a lot, so thank you!
  
  The Maga Carta?
- It was not even the framework for countries the US rebuilt like Germany and Japan.
- I don't blame the kid, it wasn't bad for iron sights under pressure.
  The panic firing was a bit of a rookie mistake but he tried.
- Are you sure. We would be getting project 2025 with Vance instead. What's the difference?
  
  Really think they'd have got in without Trump?
  
  Couches would be cheaper?
- He should have aimed for the chest. It would have been just as deadly. He could have gotten two hits in even before getting shot.
- No, this could have been even worse, because Vance would have been elected in a wave of sympathy.
  
  I don't think so. He has the charisma of a flat tire and it was early enough that any sympathy wave would have lost its momentum by November.
  
  Crooks happened July 13. Vance was announced running mate July 15. No candidate = no running mate announced.
  Also, when the presidential candidate is removed from a race, it does not automatically fall to the their running mate. there is no 25th amendment for election campaigns 🤦
This isn't the failure of the Republican party. This is their victory dance.
- Seriously, this has been the Republican wet dream for decades.
The Trump administration is not refusing to share power with an opposing party. It is refusing to follow the constitutional limits of a government that its own party controls completely.
- So, fascism.
I mean, the constitution never said the supreme court has the power of judivial review, the supreme court at the time just grabbed the power, and congress at the time just went along with it. The supreme court only held on to the power because of "norms and traditions". Today's congress could simply just pass a resolution declaring the supreme court has no such power, and all that 200+ years of "norms and traditions" is gone. And all the law enforcement, national guard, and military people would just be like "seems legit" and go along with everything trump decrees.
- yeah but this isn't about judicial review
We have years of people saying he can't do X or he can't do Y and not enough time spent on what happens when he doesn't comply.
- War. The only question is whether the Blue States get ready for what is coming.
Federalist 69? Nice.
"Might"
Yeah there is no might anymore...
UNLESS they rule AGAINST Working Class Bailouts. THEN the Courts SHOULD be Listened to!
Riots hopefully incoming
- Riots trigger martial law, suspension of habeas corpus. That's part of the first 6 monh plan for Project 2025.
Putin's Sock Puppet is following orders from Moscow to bust up the USA and turn it into another fucking Russia.
I'm pretty sure The Judge gets to be the judge of that, not the Executive.
- Ah but the executive gets to be the judge of who gets to be a judge and it is judged by those judges it judged to be judges that it will be judged positively.
  
  it's all smoke and mirrors for "i have a gun. do what i say". the question inevitably is who has the gun?
  
  I think I see where you are judging this.
Charles I said something similar. I'm sincerely hoping that it goes as well for Dump as it did for him.
Nobody should be surprised
Anyone know the full quote?
It just quotes the three words "should be allowed".
If a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal,” Vice President J. D. Vance posted on X yesterday morning. “If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that’s also illegal. Judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power.”
Dude is just underlining scopes. Nothing burger here
Now, Vance was not quite making an unconditional vow to ignore a court order.
He was making no vows. Stating the scope of practice is not illegal in any way
Rather, he was stepping right up to the line.
By explaining who has what scope? Wow stretch much?
Obviously, judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power,
Yes that's literally the guys point.
but determining whether orders are legitimate is the very question the courts must decide.
Which was never in discussion?
People if you want to freak out about everything be my guest, but if this is what is going to make you flip the fuck out, geez.
The perma stun is real. And it proceeds at pace
- Da fuck? Judges have the power to check the executive. Ever read Marbury v madison?
  This dumbass right wing analysis is why we are falling down the pit of fascism right now.
  If trump defies a court order, that's a constitutional crises and it is every americans duty to take up arms to stop tyranny.
- https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/legal-experts-constitutional-crisis-vance-musk-judicial-rulings-trump-rcna191387
  "I think the tweet, taken on its own terms, is empty because it refers to the 'legitimate powers' of the executive. And the whole question in these cases is whether the executive is acting legitimately or not," Greene told NBC News.
  "He has some cover in that sense," Greene added, referring to Vance. "He hasn't promised unlawful behavior."
  Rick Pildes, a professor at New York University’s Law School, also highlighted Vance’s use of the words “legitimate powers” in his post but pointed out that the judiciary is the branch with the power to decide what a president can “legitimately” do or not do.
  "Under the rule of law and the Constitution, it is the courts that determine whether some use of the executive power is lawful or not. That is the critical point," Pildes said via email.
  "The concern is that the vice president’s statement could be taken to suggest that the Executive Branch is prepared to refuse to comply with a court order based on the president’s own view that he has a power that the courts have concluded he does not," he added. "A president who orders his officials not to comply with court orders would be creating a constitutional crisis."
  Also note,
  It's not the first time Vance has floated defying court orders.
  Greene pointed out that others in Trump's orbit, including Musk, have floated ignoring court orders.
  On Saturday, Musk reposted a post on X from a user who wrote, "I don’t like the precedent it sets when you defy a judicial ruling, but I’m just wondering what other options are these judges leaving us."
  I think it's a series of microaggressions; on their own, each comment is seemingly innocent, and every response appears to be an overreaction. But their comments put together paint a larger picture. I think this is part of the strategy - "Look at these emotional people, panicking at nothing!" as they slowly overwhelm and erode their checks and balances.
  It's important not to become emotionally overwhelmed, and not to jump to conclusions. I definitely see the tendency to doom-scroll and panic in people right now - I do it myself sometimes as much as I try not to. But I'm thankful for the journalists and scholars that raise alarms, because if people don't know what's happening, how will anyone be held accountable?
Dems and Reps have been planning this for decades. It was only a question of which party got their puppet into control first, while I can't say for certain, with hindsight available, it looks like GW Bush was meant to be the Reps patsy, heck maybe he was with the patriot act getting signed into law, each step they could take to erode away basic freedoms in the name of security, or environmental protection, they did. This is very important to remember; instead of congress simply making heads of government agencies a job that must be filled by someone with a degree in the field, they eroded away checks and balances and gave the choice of those heads to the president, something that was not intended under the Constitution. I will be the first to admit without the EPA corporations would ABSOLUTELY pollute our rivers, air, and soil to the point life could not be maintained, but it makes no sense to put a career polluter in control when they don't care about the science so it should have been law a degree is required.
- Jesus, shut up. This is not a bOtH SiDeS.

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GROUNDWORK??!!