and we thought our thing with beans was bad
there’s more than shown here and it’s more than just these users too 😭
if you find the thread don’t piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe don’t bring it back here i don’t want 400 notifications of entry level “is almond milk milk” vegan discourse
Transcribing the conversation here:
Recessa, ↑4 ↓1: That's completely idiotic, milk exist because there's demand for it.
commie, ↑1 ↓4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it's production?
friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?
commie, ↑1 ↓3: do you think there's a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?
friendlymessage, ↑3: Are you fucking with me?
commie, ↑2 ↓3: no. I'm trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.
friendlymessage, ↑2 ↓1: Yeah, but they're not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there's no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don't have infinite resources
commie, ↑2 ↓2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.
friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓1: That... must be the dumbest discussion I've had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you're sober
commie, ↑1 ↓1: I've been sober all day.
friendlymessage, ↑1: Okay, whatever you say
commie, ↑1 ↓2: everything I've said is true. you're objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.
friendlymessage, ↑2: No, you're just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It's simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won't consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won't produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won't elaborate what your actual point is anyway.
Also, not that it matters, but you're arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.
There's a common misunderstanding among a lot of .ml folks that markets are a capitalist thing and if you just don't call them that then they don't exist.
Obviously nobody drank milk in the USSR shitlib
Everyone knows that history starts at the industrial revolution and no one had went "hey I'll give you two goats if you give me some salt" before that.
... they're not a .ml user
Also it's just untrue lol? We know markets predate capitalism, I'd be surprised to find anyone disagreeing
Thank you for your service o>
Appreciate it but your comment got auto corrected on two instances of "causal" to "casual" by commie.
Oh, I don't use autocorrect, so that was probably my mistake. Fixed it now!
"I've been sober all day." is my new comeback when someone insults my intelligence in an argument.
I like how the wording may imply that being sober that particular day might be in contrast to other days.
I’ve so been all day
Both of those people are morons. One for making the argument, the other for engaging in the argument.
some rhetorical hills were not meant to be treaded, much less died upon
Weird hill to die on, but at least you're dead.
this is 1/100th of the insanity that happened on the reddit sub r/milk
I'm pretty sure there was a riot because the mods said almond milk was allowed or something like that
I love drinking almond milk right from the almond nipple
Mr. President there has been another cat food incident
a second low-tier vegan talking point has hit the servers
im so happy the comment section here isnt deranged anti-vegan
well, its nice to eat healthy, but you dont need to call people names.
Vegan cat food
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
Milk is the best part of the woman
That explains why mine was so unapetizing.
You: hates milke because it is unethical
Me: hates milk because it is fucking disgusting.
We are not the same
Is almond milk milk tho?
Nut juice.
Edit: 🍆💦
Yes.
However, we should clarify that all breast milk is breast milk on the store label to prevent confusion.
Someone who identifies as an almond can also have breasts
Yes because it serves the same purposes.
Technially i don't call it milk, because you can't milk an almond or a soybean or a oat
Damn, I didn't make the screenshot.
make no mistake being in this thread is not a mark of honor lmao
Wanna swap?
Shit like this is the exact goddamn reason I left Reddit holy fuck.
You realize we're pretty much the same species here in Lemmy right?
Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
It looks like there are a few ISPs, countries, and general blacklists that block them. Explains why my firewall and DNS filters are catching it. Oh well. I can look more into fixing it later if it really becomes an issue.
It also seems to just generally be slow sometimes. This time it loaded instantly but often it takes a couple of tries and a good amount of patience lol
Production do be existing cause of demand tho
Exhibit A: Cheese.
It took me way too long to admit that the poster was talking about production as in "is being produced by nature without human interference" and not "humans produce it because humans want it"
I like cow milk with My coffee.
"Loncoleche the hace bien"
loncoleche.
would love to know what this means
A jingle I can't get out of my head.
"Lonco-milk is good for you"
lonco-milk.
I would just like to bring up that most equestrians don't farm their horses milk. Without demand it would probably be similar
I milk oats
Raw milk is totally safe....if the cow is totally healthy and if there aren't pathogens floating around the cow.
I mean, my friend next door used to drink off the cows's teats. His Mom would scold him for it, but he did it to show off. We used to milk their three "city cows". Literally the cows would sleep in their garage and then walk to pasture on an every day basis. They would get milked every morning and we would walk to their house and buy a couple of liters from them. Sometimes cheese or bulgaros yogurt.
Everyone loved the cows. They smelled like cows but you could safely pet them and not expect feces on your hands.
The cows we get milk from are all rolling around in feces in confined space and they eat dry moldy feed. Like that stuff is total animal abuse and prone to end up giving someone a cow Bourne disease of some kind.
My neighbors also had pigs and we had pigs. That is why we never ate pig... cows are clean compared to pigs. Pigs will eat bugs smeared in pig feces. That is not normal really because pigs in the wild, although dirty, do not just swim in their feces like captive pigs do. If you ever want to go vegan for whatever reason, visit a captive pig farm. Learn that smell....then go to the butcher shop's trash bin and learn that smell...then realize that when you get your meat in your fridge, the death smell is what you're smelling. Makes me wanna puke 🤮 just thinking about it. And if your neighbors ever killed a pig, you would know it. Pigs don't go down easy. That's one positive thing I can definitely say about pigs. They know you're gonna kill them and they scream like anyone would....as in a person. It churns you inside out hearing that scream and then when it stops you know it happened. Pigs don't go down quietly.
Anyway don't eat animals, but if you're gonna eat milk or dairy, make sure it's pasteurized! Any well understood retarded person like myself could agree 💯👍.
I am happy I live in ireland, the standard for milk and stuff seems to be higher here.
r-slur spotted, comment ignored.
How do you actually see the image? I just get "glide failed to grab image". I tried to open the link directly and get connection error too. Not the first time I have experienced this on posts, but trying to figure out if the image was taken down or if the image is actually blocked.
its hosted on catbox.moe my instance was having a bad day for image uploads
sad to say everything is working for me so its something on your end
I'm gonna need you to crop your memes my guy. This is a violation.
the joke is the bad crop/wall of text
Oh! It hurts me.
Was gonna make a blizzard joke here, but this person is so intellectual that they wouldn't get the low-grade humor, or how milk production before markets only works if everyone works a single farm, and cannot work if the population is scaled up.
soy, in my experience, because soy lecithin is a great emulsifier and most vegan cheesen't sauce usually needs a bit of help in the emulsification department
it's also the highest protein non dairy milk
Imagine answering a question with another question.
I'd ask if everyone here is just looking to be annoyed at the slightest thing but it shows, like, all around
I know right? /s
Found the carnist
no u
Almond milk is a waste of water and is priced out of poor families ability to buy them :(
I want my milk like how Jack the Ripper wants to eat his meat: raw.
The listeria gives it that special kick!
Don't forget the H5N1 flavors!
Ah yeah, I've had an interaction with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo... ideal discussion partner right there.
The happy animals one is hilarious. I would have no problem with someone eating me after I died and I sure as shit am not happy
Ah yes. That one is the one where every interlocutor happens to only eat meat "from their uncles farm with 3 cows on 40 acres of pasture, where they're hand-scrubbed by cherubs while eating figs."
I don't care about my corpse after I'm dead, but I do somewhat disagree with getting killed.
The "Vegans are loud and annoying" crowd are more loud and annoying than actual vegans in my personal experience.
Often when society had an extreme default position on a topic, its defenders sound batshit insane.
See:
So true. I'm not vegan, but someone proudly yelling about how much meat they eat is so fucking cringe. Very "suck it, libs" mindset.
But you probably won't get called a murderer 20 seconds into the discussion though.
35 points for Ravenclaw for the provision of the vegan bingo.
That link is a really cool resource, thanks!
TIL there's a bingo TLD.
It took me a whole 24 hours to realise that the person having a weird, inconsistent, fact-swerving argument with me (about my assertion that most male cattle are killed young for meat) was the original one from the screenshot!
My last time talking to them, they were arguing that the use of the word "exploitation" in the vegan society's definition of veganism simply meant "use" because that's a thesaurus entry for exploitation. When their argument breaks down they go full on "words are just invented".
I'm not even sure if that bingo is supposed to be pro-vegan or anti-vegan ...
When I was a young vegling, I spent some time doing "outreach" on r/DebateAVegan (air quotes because it often felt about as impactful as having a wank), and you'd see those bingo arguments being used earnestly ALL THE TIME.
I actually did occasionally get some fairly novel and thought provoking stuff, from time to time, but mostly it was explaining the basics of biology or econ to people like in OP's example.
politely raises hand
While I think factory farming is abhorrent, I find the most compelling reasons to eat plant-based to be the environmental ones. Therefore, I think "I only eat a little bit of meat" is actually a huge positive step someone can take. If your primary concern regarding meat is the cruelty of taking the life of another animal, that's completely valid, but compared to the others, that square just feels out of place.
depends on the context, on the bingo, i interpret it as "i don't want to go vegan, i only eat a little meat anyways"
Almonds are bad for bees? Huh
I'm not antivegan
Unequivocally, yes you are, and at that, you're one of the most agonizingly stubborn and disinformed ones I've ever talked to.
Edit: Sharing this conversation here in the context of them being banned from /c/vegan so users can understand how completely full of shit this user is (yes, their actual argument they started at /c/vegan is that vegans starting from a position of "humans have rights" is a flawed position to start from and thus invalidates their argument for veganism):
Edit 2: Oh, and they have this thing where they like to reply to a single comment with several comments while claiming it's because they "don't want to engage in a Gish gallop" (paraphrased), meanwhile facilitating a Gish gallop by making an unfollowable branching tree of comments.