in which r/neoliberal attempts to show the tankies that America is good

Basically anything related to Healthcare just annoys me to no end because the people who argue Healthcare use strawman en masse (mainly about part time / low wage workers) instead of actually debating real issues that affect employees like corporate culture forcing HSAs onto people who have no need for them to meet quotas (this might be tinfoil) or removing good HMO/PPO offerings for worse plans to cut costs on the employer.

“Poor people are just straw men. The real healthcare issues are with the middle class white collar bullshit job workers and PMCs.”

Beyond parody.

I hate when people act as improving the healthcare system is a "complex issue", when pretty much every developed nation aside from the US manages to do better. It's not even good from a "fiscally conservative" standpoint; the US has by far the highest healthcare expenditure per capita in terms of government spending alone. Yet even the (relatively) progressive politicians have to talk about additional taxes on the rich to "justify" universal healthcare or else they'll be treated as "naive fools who think money grows on trees".
Why do we need to "debate real issues" when it's plainly obvious that the American healthcare system is objectively worse than even other capitalist nations (the wealthy ones anyways) just from a basic observation? Even high-income PMC types would benefit from not having to deal with insurance and whatever. Though it sucks that in a lot of places that do have universal healthcare, politicians are actively sabotaging it to justify privatization. Comes to show that the "free market" can only "prove" it's superiority through deception.

legitimately monstrous

THEY HAVE AGENCY! IT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY BY FOREIGN POWERS! PINOCHET FORCED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INTO A STADIUM AND IMPRISONED/MURDERED THEM! HIM AND THATCHER WERE PRACTICALLY BEST FRIENDS! WE LITERALLY HAVE AUDIO PROOF OF VICTORIA NULAND CHOOSING UKRAINE'S PRIME MINISTER! WHAT THE FUCK!?
this is literally "people can't do bad things, it's against the law" levels of intellectual discussion. your country being overtaken by heavily armed foreign powers like the USA? just use your agency and say "no!"
- WE LITERALLY HAVE AUDIO PROOF OF VICTORIA NULAND CHOOSING UKRAINE'S PRIME MINISTER!
  Umm actually, she was just playing Fantasy Football but for Ukrainian politics.
look arr neoliberal flairs and DO NOT smile challenge (i failed)

I like that the US defending the government of Yemen is US imperialism, and the US being against the government of Syria is US imperialism.

“If the US projecting power halfway around the world to protect a government they like is bad, then how is the US projecting power halfway around the world to defeat a government they don’t like also bad?”

The USA exploits the third world by trade and Cuba/Venezuela by not trading with them.

Because Cuba and Venezuela refuse to be exploited, so they must be punished.

- Imagine having a different worldview than me.

My favorite is IMF/World Bank who are depicted as shady boggiemen that keep the world poor for America’s capitalist interests.
Yeah they are wrong! The IMF are actually puppets of Japan as Japan donates the most to them. They are secretly trying to make imperial Japan again but through investing in developing nations! Truly evil

I refuse to go through the mental anguish of interacting with these people, but

I don't think the Japan thing is even true, and
This is a child's understanding of the function of the IMF.

Yeah. The World Bank is less evil than it used to be, but only because they realise letting things improve slightly allows them to increase extraction, and also because China became a direct competitor with better rates and more flexible conditions, since they don't even want the money.
- Empirical
  Demonstrably
  Patently
  Full stop
Investing is an insidious word when said by a neoliberal. It does a lot of heavy lifting for them.

When it comes to debating leftists as a former leftists I like to ask them if they would choose a crony neo-feudalist system or liberal democracy on the march to socialism and eventually communism. Marx would say liberal democracy is preferable.

As someone who selects my ideologies out of a hat I present more serious people with a false dichotomy and make assumptions about what a philosopher I've never read would pick.

Why did I go there? I knew it would only make me sad

choose a crony neo-feudalist system
no true capitalism -- cRoNy CaPiTaLiSm
or liberal democracy on the march to socialism and eventually communism.
what the fuck. these people are a psyop.
- liberal democracy on the march to socialism
  :rosa-shining:
- I think you might be right with this one tbh. "Former leftist" just reeks of fed energy.
liberal democracy on the march to socialism and eventually communism
If someone asked them to name an example of that they’d probably say Scandinavia
:agony:
- Exactly, like Finland who just had a recent a recent election won by their right-wing coalition party who will totally march to socialism
"former leftist" is a funny way to say "liberal who hates minorities more openly than they used to."
Why did I go there? I knew it would only make me sad
Right there with you comrade, Reddit is self harm for me at this point
as a former non-believer in Santa, I can tell you exactly how to nail the non-believers: ask them if they choose Santa going down a chimney or going through the front door but bypassing the alarm system is more believable. Watch them squirm trying to answer.

A lot is foreign policy based. I’m not going to defend the Iraq War but a lot of pro-Russia people will ignore that Russia and Iran actually supported the war in Afghanistan to the point where basically the whole world minus Pakistan was ok with the Taliban being ousted. Like, Afghanistan was already in a state of war when the US came in and helped the actual Northern Alliance reclaim power. I will say the US got a little overboard in not getting a peaceful solution to Afghanistan in 2001 after the Taliban were smashed.

I will say the US got a little overboard in not getting a peaceful solution to Afghanistan in 2001 after the Taliban were smashed.

a little overboard

Weren't the Northern Alliance just a bunch of jumped-up warlords? Also if the Taliban were smashed, why are they in power now? Fucking fascists.
- Oh so anybody who accidentally conducts a brutal 20 year long occupation is a fascist now? You slip up one time and kill hundreds of thousands of people because you forget what you were supposed to be doing and suddenly you're a bad person?

I am not liking a place that allows conservatives to exist on purpose

“We need a strong Republican Party”
-a fucking dipshit

Lol, they deleted it. The comments are incredibly stupid though

What was the post lol
- Oh, you can still see all the comments at the link. Idk what the content of the original post was, but the title was “What's your favorite 'America Bad' claims?”

That and all the claims about all the colour revolutions entirely infantilises Eastern Europeans, like they have zero agency
And yet they assume that Eastern Europeans are an amorphous blob that coincidentally supports everything they want to happen in the world. Even the Euromaidan "Revolution" had roughly a 50% support for either side of the conflict.
Are the people who opposed the so-called color revolutions to be condemned for their views? They'd probably answer yes, just as every single other "enemy of freedom and civilization" they see in the world (which just so happens is people their government dislikes).
Suggesting that the invasion of Iraq was not an expression of the will of the Iraqi people implies that their agency was denied which is demeaning and racist of you.

Oooh goody

I had a Biden supporter try to claim I wasn't a leftist and they were yesterday. When I brought up the stunning realization that there are people to the left of the Democratic party, they told me that Kamala harris had a voting record to the left of Bernie.

Oh wow, it's like a whole ass copium mine in there.

Quick question, are we supposed to read "usians" as "U.S.Asians," because if so that is my new favorite term for us.

The "list of US bases" posted by mostly Russian/Chinese nationalists is the best example of this, where they complain about US bases "surrounding" them in allied countries - like bro you're so close to the point

this person is literally saying that US bases are necessary to protect their allied countries or protect some liberal notion of global peace. The liberal implication is that without US bases everywhere, the whole world would immediately collapse into global war.

God these people are so smug they don't think we understand their positions. The problem is they do that on purpose, they deliberately mislead people about their own positions using vague language like freedom, democracy, liberty when they could just be open about how they're imperialists who want the US and EU to dominate the whole world.

cw: SA, violence

Also there's the implication that countries allied to the USA want the bases there, which isn't true. South Korea is constantly pissed off about the bases, Japan as well. I also can't imagine Filipino people are very happy about the American bases either. Every few months some American dipshit soldier will do something like kill and/or sexually assault someone near the base, the country will have a huge uproar about it, and then nothing happens, the base stays there.

it's also the most presumptuous pigheaded western attitude to decide other countries need American military presence to have stability. can we throw everyone who posts on the neoliberal board into a big pit of fire in Terraria please?