Emotional Support Vehicles

A guy at work has a massive truck, and once had a bunch of bags of wood pellets delivered to the office.

As he wrangled a bunch of low level employees to help him load it all up, he exclaimed "I can fit two tons in the back of this!"

"I can have things delivered to my house" I replied.

It's $100 minimum to get anything delivered from the hardware store a mile from my house. It's $20 rent a pickup from U-haul for their 4 hour minimum. I do that maybe 4X per year. I drive a little electric car now, but when I had a Prius V (station wagon one) with the seats folded down I could fit as much in there as a light duty pickup.
- That sounds dumb. Lets instead expend $60k+maintenance and insurance in order to not have to pay $100 once every othe year or so.
- That's exactly what I do with my Forester. I live in a regional area of Australia so for me it's a daily driver and great for long trips, and if I need to pick shit up, fold the seats down and I effectively have my ute.

And it is because of these people that I have to custom order a poverty spec work truck, because manufacturers will only send dealers 100k "family trucks" with fancy nonsense

man I miss the s-10 form factor. now everything is absurdly huge.
- Used to drive a five speed Ranger for work. I loved it.
- I have a 3rd gen Tacoma and it is HUGE for a "small" truck. I miss actual small trucks (I also miss hoods that were lower and slanted forward in a way that you could actually kind of see over).
Horse shit, you want a base Colorado? I'll get you one 8% off MSRP. I'll only charge $1000.

I once sat behind a dude in line filling four propane tanks that he put in the back seat of his pickup truck.

Meanwhile I learned I could fit a 100lb propane tank in my sedan.
- This is quite dangerous, though I admire the ingenuity.
I’m sure that guys a chump. But it might actually be better than having them roll around in the bed.
- If you have a pickup you should have either bungee-straps, wratchet-straps or ideally, both.

Emotional Support Truck

Still only carries 1 person.
- Shaq
Beautiful! Ford F550
Would love to haul my sleds in that

Meanwhile europe where you see people with renault twingos do more with their cars.

Heck people carry more on their bicycles that many ever carry on their trucks.
- Actually true lol. I see people here with trailer thingies for their bicycles and they carry stuff with it. It probably has the same bed size as the newest "ford f-550 ultra extreme plus carbon dioxide poisoning engine from cruise ship edition"
- I regurarly carry some tools and some small boxes strapped to the panier rack of my ebike. Lol.
I get timber/PIR/plasterboard from the builders merchant, and also take that plus garden waste to the tip, 10+ times per year, in a 4 seat car that weighs under 1 tonne.
Anything truly massive, they just deliver it to me.
The day I discovered that a 2.4m 62 would fit inside was a very good day.
As was the one I bought roof bars.

Yeah, your source is just a website and not the article/page related. Also, the website's search bar is broken. I couldn't find anything related, nor simple with it. Such as "car."

This sub is weird...
- In what way(s) do you find this ~~subreddit~~ community weird?

Taking your golf bag to the course counts as hauling now?

I was about to say: if a trunk would fulfill the same purpose, the bed is not useful: then it's just a less protected trunk.
So I assume correcting for that, this stat would also be >70%
- Everytime someone tells me they need a pick up truck for work purposes, I always think no, 95% of the time you are far better of getting a van. Who wants their tools and materials getting rained on the back of a bed? Vans are also usually lower and easier to load. The fact you can't see into the back of the van can also prevent theives.
Smart car will do the same and it doubles as a golf cart, why don't we have more smart cars? Oh wait, lots of micro dicks...
- My Mazda 3 is better built with lower maintenance and repair cost (and frequency) with similar mpg on cheaper fuel (if we're talking similar year models and not electric). The smart cars aren't smart for anyone that's considering anything other than size.

While this sounds very believable, an actual source would be nice. I can't find any such image on the website to view the sources they may or may not provide

Edit: the source doesn't appear to include all of the statistics in the image, but the article lists it's source is https://www.strategicvision.com/nves, which looks to be paywalled behind a subscription. It's possible the data is from the survey data linked, but I can't verify it

Primary sources? We don't do that here 🛻🛻🛻
- @Zagorath@aussie.zone please consider linking sources.
I Google-searched "site:unbelievablefactsblog.com truck", which turned up the right page. It linked to this site, which in turn links to this very detailed page.
Pinging @marduk@lemmy.sdf.org and @toaster@slrpnk.net.
- Thank you! Though I will say, not all of the statistics in the image are in the article. The article lists https://www.strategicvision.com/nves as their source for the survey data, but it looks like you have to subscribe to for access to their survey data, which I imagine is very expensive since it's likely for automotive companies.
The source is this survey/article by axios: https://www.axios.com/ford-pickup-trucks-history
- Thank you!
  It appears not all of the statistics in the image are in the article. The article lists https://www.strategicvision.com/nves as their source for their survey data, but it looks like you have to subscribe for access

But you get to own the libs every day so it evens out.

Saw a truck the other day with Harris and Coexist stickers and was so confused.

I haul, tow, go off road more frequently in my Yaris.

Yeah, but that's a quality car, that doesn't count.
- Just an example of when folks think they need a truck, most often what they really need/want is a fucking trailer hitch.
  Excluding childish hotwheel fantasies, of course.
I used to have a Chevy Sonic and I hauled so much stuff in that car, full size fridges, front load washing machines, lumber, 14" canoe. Summer and winter offroading at a solar farm jobsite for the province of Ontario, prolly 2-4km deep

Or if you’re like my neighbor you live in a town house and never tow anything and never use the bed for anything.

I have 4 acres of land and I tow my mower down to my land every weekend to clean up. So I use my truck all the time for towing and I also haul things at least once a month. Not all truck owners do it just for the truck. If I didn't need a truck I wouldn't own one.
- Which is why you aren't the target of the meme. It's the city dwellers who never leave the city but have a 2 ton pickup that barely fits in the narrower, low speed lanes in cities and take up 2-4 compact parking spots who are the target.
- Then congratulations, this meme isn't about you so maybe you don't need to feel attacked yeh?
- Are you the neighbor? Weird spot to defend yourself, here, unless you were the neighbor in question.

Gender affirming truck. But seriously, I will never ask someone to haul stuff for me. It's like you didn't buy a truck to haul my shit around. There are also seasons of life where a truck would be super useful. What I'm saying is I need a fucking truck you bitches.

I just rent a pickup truck from U-Haul for $21 per day. I'm never gonna need it more than 1 day.
- Less than the price for insuring a big ass truck for a year.

Getting this while I'm high off my ass felt like a ninja was jumping out at me. That is a beautiful alert.

Web page was actually an image! Whoops! (I get this error a lot)
- It was the first for me and I was not mentally prepared for it to jump out at me like that

Emotional Support Cowboy Outfit.

For when you are too fierce for the chaps there is the F-150.

Replace the bluejeans with a codpiece, and you're going somewhere.

I imagine it's pretty much the same in UK - a lot of the people using them for work might be better off with a small van.

But then, they don't look 'manly' do they?

What does a van offer that a small truck wouldn't? Other than opportunity for passengers. Since its a work vehicle passengers isn't generally a concern since basically anything you can buy can handle atleast 2 people. Covered space? Get a cap. Need more Clearance for a fridge you intend on plugging in right away? take the cap off. Over sized item in more ways than one like a couch or bed? you can drop and remove the tailgate. I have yet to see a small van that can be all that customizable?
Edit:
You can down vote but you should add to the discussion. Can we get the numbers on people that have vans and aren't using them to capacity or carrying anything. How about the amount that drive passenger cars that are driving 2+ occupant but serves no more utility than a bicycle that's faster.
To add to the numbers my house hold has a 4 door sedan and a pickup. But we are dual income with no kids. What should I drive instead? so I live 30 miles from work because who is so lucky to work next door and wife is 20 miles fron work. I also do things like move fire wood and mow lawns and... Really do you want a list of all the things I would have to rent a truck for? I have a cap for my bed and have pulled it to move larger stuff. Just because you dont have to do a thing or have a thing or what ever.... Doesn't mean there is t a use case which doesn't involve using someone else's and just using your own.
- What does a van offer that a small truck wouldn't?
  A much, much higher degree of safety. Because vans don't typically have those absurdly high and long bonets that make it so you could run over multiple children without even seeing them there.

Feeling good about my mid sized truck in the mountain west. Haul weekly, trailer monthly, off road monthly, at least (remote trailhead access)

I don't know what I couldn't do which would necessitate one of the huge new full sized trucks, aside from towing construction equipment or line a shit ton of welding gear or live stock. The number of people who do THAT must be microscopic

Towing really. Have more than one quad to transport? Full pickup, one quad in the box and the other in a trailer, or one bike and a camper etc...

All while the US actively outlaws small cars.

I would say more like actively discourages small cars by encouraging large vehicles and allowing them lower standards (emissions etc)
But they don’t
- But they do, a lot of Kei trucks and cars are banned because they can't stand up to an accident with a 10,000lb (not an exaggeration) hummer.

I wonder how these terms were defined. Off road as in a dirt road or on a beach where any normal vehicle could go? Haul something in the truck bed as in something that an SUV could fit, too? ‘Bout the only thing unique would be towing, that’s usually a truck job. Boat, trailer, whatever.

Modern SUVs can haul most things these days including boats, small utility trailers, and small campers.
- Modern SUVs are actually tiny, but look big, as far as I've seen here in Sweden. I've more then once parked next to a SUV I thought was big, then as I get out of my Volvo V70 I realise it's very often just a Kia Picanto-esque car which had been raised, given a muffin top and ridiculously big wheels.
- My Volvo station wagon is can tow 3000 pounds
- Depends on the SUV, and trucks can generally haul larger loads. I didn’t want to waste commentary pedantically covering every eventuality, and why I said “usually”.

I got a 2004 Silverado 1500 and I couldn't be happier with it. It's not a giant penile enhancement. Its just a normal sized truck. I use it as a daily driver and grocery getter. But when I need a truck to haul shit I got it.

Fantastic. I'm going to start using this term.

@Zagorath

My bike haul the Weekly shopping

but people tell me that I just want to show off

We can fix the truck problem by making health insurance cover penis enlargements. If they have more of a dick maybe they will be less of a dick.

saw a rivian on my way home from work this morning. poor guy tried to keep up but my old 4banger was just too light on her feet

While I don't tow more than 2 or 3 times per year, I like to daydream about owning a boat. I need to be able to tow one to imagine I could own one some day.

https://images.app.goo.gl/TZKcXMWH9XGrZQVv7
- Nice!
Here's a video of a Miata launching a boat at a ramp.
https://youtu.be/JvA0ctoUD4A
Why not just keep it in a marina where you want to use the boat? Not snarky, genuine question since I don’t know much about boat ownership.
- Generally pretty damn expensive, as with pretty much everything related to boats

It compensates for penis size 100% of the time though.

Don't blame emo for what can be explained by YAGNI.

I own a cast iron pan, but I only bake 15% of the meals I cook in said pan.

I am such a huge disgrace for not needing to utilize my tools every time I cook.

Gonna go microwave something in my cast iron so I can be cool like everyone here.

Theres A difference between a pan lying around in your lockers and a 3t vehicle driving around on public streets and putting people who walk at risk to be run over, because you don't see shit.
Your usage rate is like literally a hundred times that of the stats listed (assuming they're true). The vast, vast majority of truck owners would be better off with a regular car and renting a truck from Home Depot, Uhaul, or whatever local business does that sort of thing.
Your cast iron pan isn't driving you to use a shitload of extra fuel (electricity or natural gas) in this case, while it hangs on your wall waiting to be used.
But having a giant truck instead of a low-pollution economy car does exactly that. Imagine if you had to lug your cast iron pan on your back everywhere you went. (Say if we were still migratory, as a society.) Then you'd be rethinking your cast-iron pan choices, if lighter options were available.
Emotional support trucks are much like emotional support guns. The only thing they're supporting (other than facilitating rampage killers and suicides) are emotions.
TBF, because I think about this sort of thing, yes, here in the states, our boys are trained that they have to keep up manly appearances, we worship sports figures and deride intellectual prowess as super-villainy material, and these are issues for which ES Trucks and Guns (and rampage killings) are a symptom.
But do you only use your cast iron pan once a year or less?
- I'd say about 35% of the time actually.

I'm glad to know you approve of my truck usage

Why do I keep getting recommended this sub. Wtf is this place even for?? Is it hating on cars or hating on car owners??

WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS PLACE TO BEGIN WITH???

A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let’s explore the bad world of Cars!
From the sidebar. If you don't like it, block the community instead of complaining and typing in full caps with excessive punctuation like some boomer on Facebook.
- Jesus fuck, you didn't have to go and insult me. The sidebar was enough but even then I still don't understand wtf the point of the sub at all or why it's constantly recommended to me. :/
  I use a buncha caps and punctuation all the time cus im autistic, it's in all my comments and posts; for me it's like I'm putting my thoughts as they are on the screen. So if I wanna scream or emphasize somethin then I put it in all caps.
  I don't really like having to block whole ass communities like that, cus what if there IS an interesting post I see from there?? I like just being able to tell Lemmy "Hey, stop showing me this" instead of blocking.
  And im not even complaining really I just:
  A. dont understand what this post is trying to tell me.
  B. what this has to do about cars being bad.
  C. Why fuckcars is the only one shown to me and not something else like Anti-child or Anti-work or anti-anything else.
  And the sidebars are often useless compared to the actual behavior of the community. Scrolling the comments, it's just a lotta people going "Yea I know a guy who ALWAYS drives his truck with stuff in it, fukin chump." and some (Seemingly) sour attitudes towards truck drivers for carrying a buncha stuff in their trucks.
- Also you can't get miffed at me for supposedly "Complaining" about the point of the community
  Deadass the title is fuckcars. 90% of everyone here is complaining about something jerkass
  Its always Anti-"Insert topic" subs that, when I ask why they exist and what's the point, people immediately insult me instead of either going "Myeh we don't all just hate on cars here, just specific things like 'Insert specific things'" or just answering the question. Its always "WELL IF YA DON'T LIKE IT GET OUT!"
  Maybe it is the caps, but I never badmouth anyone or anything when I ask, Im just super confused and wanna understand. But I get told to fuck off.
It's to promote and advocate for alternatives to car dependence.
- What alternatives?? Every post here is either complaining about roads, traffic, or specific cars?? I have yet to see someone go "Ah, just finished a bike run! Feeling real good!"
It’s actually mainly about hating car-dependent infrastructure. The stuff that makes cities impossible to conveniently get around unless you’re in a car, because cycling distances are too far and force you to mix with fast-moving cars due to lack of separated paths. And public transport is expensive and slow, if it exists at all, because cities choose not to invest in it and even if they wanted to it’d be more expensive for them than if cities were planned better.

Yet that one time that you need it, it’s quite nice to have.

You know what you can do if you need to haul something and don't have a truck?
Rent a trailer!
- I like to think that people own trucks because they don't know how to back a trailer. Or more humourously, because they don't know trailers exist.
- Over time that's as expensive or more as getting a vehicle with more storage lol
It's even nicer to have that big item delivered and still come out on top in gas savings.
Here are a few options to remedy this rare problem.
Uhaul truck rental.
Ask a friend. family member or neighbor to help you out with their truck or ask to borrow their truck for the task at hand. (Fill the gas tank before returning it to ensure they'll be willing to let you borrow their truck again, when you need it.)
- The first option doesn’t act as a continued mode of transportation, and the second option still requires someone owning a truck lmao.
Idk your life but I've yet to be in a situation where a minivan wasn't good enough.
The other 99.9% of the time you get better efficiency, space for 8 people and a smaller car
Really that summarizes this whole debate. There are absolutely people that don't need it but buy one for a litany of bad reasons. Then, there are entire swaths of territory where having a pickup is just plain necessary. Live up north in a rural area? You probably have both a trailer and a PU to tow it because you need to be self sufficient, and have a lot of long distance hauling jobs.
- I'd suggest though that the trend of absurdly high hood lines and everything being a monster truck aren't helping those populations either.
  International Harvester made some great trucks. Fuck, chevy s-10s were handy and capable when I was a kid. Now everything is ginormous and crew cabbed so one person can drive around in a combine level shitwagon
Rental.
Also your comment remind me of people having spare car.
- A spare vehicle is legitimately useful if you have an actual use case and are fortunate enough to have the space for it. My winter car allows me to do all of my own maintenance without having to worry about stranding myself at home.

Why don't you post the original source for this data.

You won't because it's shitty data.

I'm going to get responses, if any, to a 2013 phone survey for 1000 people that splits users with shitty questions or a REFERENCE 2018 to a 2018 axios study but not the data because it's only sold and under copyright. Even looking at the questions I'm nearly certain OP is talking about the first.

I tow 12 times a year. But I don't go off road. Ohhhh and look now I'm contributing to your shitty mutually exclusive population splits.

You are parroting rage engagement bait and being manipulated.

Prove me wrong .