I'm reminded of a Danish news program during the last world cup where (because they were upset with how successful Algeria had been) they literally compared them with monkeys, and Germany likened them to ISIS.
The vibe I get from most of TERF islands anti-trans paranoia is that it is yes, anti-trans bigotry, but much of it is also inseparable from and a proxy for racist bigotry.
The White Gender Watchers wouldn't being having a fit if Imane was a white woman.
lmfao this whole thing has me reading Caster Semenya's wikipedia article and:
On 16 July, she set a new national record for 800 metres of 1:55:33.[84][85] On 20 August, she won the gold medal in the women's 800 metres at the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio with a time of 1:55.28.[86] The win reignited controversy over the rules on permissible testosterone levels; immediately after the race Lynsey Sharp, finishing sixth, broke into tears, having previously said that "everyone can see it's two separate races",[87] while fifth-placed Joanna Jóźwik stated "I feel like the silver medalist ... I'm glad I'm the first European, the second white", to finish the race.[88][89] Bioethicist Katrina Karkazis criticised the indignant response to Semenya's win as discriminatory.[89]
lol those two athletes sound like dumb asses. Don't they know that swimming is the sport to go for when you want financial resources to gate out the POCs from a particular sport making the competition easier
99.9% of the time yes. If she was white and from bad country x y or z it'd just be transphobic cope to deal with their perceived ineptitude in relation to their countries placement or underperformance. But yeah. Just easier to participate in tribalism when they're easier to other, at least when it's a righteous white genital inspector.
it's really wild to me watching people acknowledge that her genitalia are what they expect of a woman but then insist that the presence of some xy chromosomes make you a "biological male"
edit: not that Khelif has xy chromosomes, i don't fucking know this athlete's private medical details and neither do any of these obsessive, transphobic freaks
there's been a lot of talk about xy chromosomes and i was trying to comment on that; but, you're right, and i don't know why that's something being claimed everywhere.
I recommend checking out Alice Domurat Dreger's Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex, which is one of the earliest works in the anglo world exploring intersex from a social perspective, and digs historically into the process through which western medical fields developed an entirely arbitrary distinction to biologically "sex" men and women, and how that was propelled into dominant social ideology.
Despite her more recent anti-trans talking points, back in the day Dreger's work was a really big part of the developing intersex community (by community here I mean community as in, people beginning to "come out" as intersex or meet other intersex people and share their experiences and form an identity as intersex as opposed to the previously near-universal intersex experience of living in secret shame, believing you had an embarrassing and unique medical condition, or being left entirely in the dark as doctors performed surgeries on you and either never told your parents or your parents chose to bury it and lie to you).
The heartbreaking aspect of this is that athletes like Chand or Semenya come from remote parts of their countries and they have immense difficulty understanding what a gender test is, who a trans person is, or what is testosterone in the first place.
...do they though? Is there a quote from them saying this or is the author just making shit up in a really patronizing way?
Eh even if that's true then its not that deep for some person from a remote place try and participate in bifurcated sports. But don't expect compliance to bizarre eugenicist shit.
They don't cause a broad chunk whoever buys what's written will take it for granted. Oh a person from third world, probably doesn't know how to read. It confirms what they believe so they publish it and some people will read it as "Yeah that makes sense"
I feel so bad for her. These fucking ghouls won't be happy until she kills herself. Anyone know when her next match is? I finally care enough to support someone in an Olympic competition
It's interesting to imagine flipping this scenario around. Let's suppose I'm AMAB with XX chromosomes (not super uncommon) and male genitalia. I present as "traditionally male" in every way. Would they be OK with me competing in women's sports? I'm thinking not, because none of this is at all in good faith. It's just about excluding people who don't meet their totally arbitrary standards for what women are "supposed" to look and act like.
works with trans athletes too. the transphobes don't want trans women competing with women, but I bet you they also don't want trans men competing with cis women. Do they want both trans men and trans women to compete against cis men? Do they want trans athletes banned entirely and unable to compete?
It's honestly crazy af. Btw we are talking about female fighters. Idk I follow MMA and it feels like every other female fighter is at least a bit queer. Tons of gay relationships. Even some of the fighters who like, aren't explicitly out as queer present in a way that plays with gender. Like this is SO common. Like Jesus Christ if you don't want to see queer presenting women don't watch women's fighting.
Fwiw I get all my trans friends to watch MMA with me because we all love how queer WMMA is. Shame that mens MMA is so homophobic honestly
The obvious end game to this right wing talking point is even more rigorous gender testing for women. Dudes who argue this point don't give a feck about women.
Jes, Poland, but apparently having the 'right' genitals is not enough; let's put it in vice versa, if you are a man, for example, and show as much testosterone and chromosome as a woman like her, the transphobes will consider you 'woman'...
I know a ton of trans women with vaginas, i know a trans woman with XX chromosomes, every trans woman on HRT i know is at the bottom end of or in most cases below what is considered normal cis female testosterone levels, and none of that is enough for them to be considered a woman by a chud with terminal transphobic brain rot. OTOH putting vegetables on the BBQ suddenly makes you lose your man card, but only as long as you're a cis guy.
With how quickly this all sprung about and how the boxer and Italian media (and politicians) jumped on it, this whole thing feels a bit planned and astroturfed.
There is only one trans boxer in the Olympics this year, and its a trans man. Straight men aren't scared of accidentally fucking a trans man, so nobody cares or brings it up.
Yeah, according to transphobes, trans men are women, right? So they should be upset about someone they think is a "woman" getting beaten up by men, right?
Rania, the contention here is that we cannot trust the organization that tested her because it was Russian. I think it might be wise to just frame things the correct way we know how.