AOC Backs Biden Amid Growing Calls for Him to Drop Out: ‘He Is in This Race and I Support Him’
AOC Backs Biden Amid Growing Calls for Him to Drop Out: ‘He Is in This Race and I Support Him’
AOC is definitely a voice in politics I've come to respect. I can assume pretty confidently that her opinion is well founded and with the right intentions... if she thinks Biden is best option at this point, that tells me pretty conclusively that Biden is genuinely the best option at this point.
The debate shenanigans, the age, whatever: all of that is a fraction of a drop in the ocean compared to the shitstorm that would be Trump presidency. It doesn't matter if any of us like Biden. Do you want a literal fascist running the country? If no, vote Biden. If yes, abstain / vote for literally anyone else.
I wish it was possible to convince trump supporters that he's literally not on their side
I've been making pitches for the libertarian party to my trumpanzee coworkers. It's a similar flavor of bullshit as the turds the GOP is already feeding them, so they're somewhat susceptible to it.
No chance in hell I'll be able to convince them to vote Biden, so burning a would-be Trump vote on the spoiler effect is the next best thing.
I'd really prefer another candidate, but under our current system and circumstances, Biden is our best option.
That's how democracy works. You rarely get to pick a candidate who is perfectly aligned with you. You pick the least bad option.
The DNC is going to run this playbook again in four years. Stuff some establishment democrat down our throats "for the fate of democracy". I agree that another Trump presidency would be terrible, but can the American people please get a real choice of which Democrat to vote for? Please DNC?
Probably. And when that time comes, I'll make the same pitch for whichever not-a-Nazi is running against the actual Nazi. Should it be better? Fuck yeah! But if we don't play along, we get actual Nazi. I suspect we'll rinse-and-repeat until we're extinct; but I'd prefer to spend that time with as few Nazis in power as possible.
Someone mentioned it in the thread about Elizabeth Warren supporting Biden. It isn't odd that smart, anti-wealthy, and anti-Trump at all costs progressives are backing Biden, and wealthy Democrat donors and centrist Democrats are demanding change.
These people see the risk a new candidate would bring. The wealthy just want someone who reflects their image. Either candidate doesn't really hurt their lifestyle.
Part of it has been that Biden has been implementing a lot of progressive policies. He may not be the perfect progressive candidate, but he is a lot better than other options.
She didn't though, she dodged the question and the Boston Globe called it support. If she wanted to support him staying in, she would have said that.
It isn’t odd that smart, anti-wealthy, and anti-Trump at all costs progressives are backing Biden, and wealthy Democrat donors and centrist Democrats are demanding change.
The wealthy centrist Dems believe they're in an excellent position to foist an even bigger turd on the party (I've seen Joe Manchin and Michael Bloomberg and - of fucking course - Hillary Clinton floated as "moderate" replacements to Far-Left Super Radical Joe Biden).
The younger and less influential (although hardly anti-wealthy - AOC is a prodigious fundraiser who represents one of the richest districts in the nation) politicians who have already stacked up political favors with the incumbent don't want to see him casually replaced by an even more obnoxious neoliberal.
That doesn't make Biden a strong choice. It doesn't even make him an "anti-wealthy" choice (Biden was fully on board with the Wall Street bailouts under Bush and the Silicon Valley bailouts during his own term). It just makes him the "safe" choice for the AOC-aligned caucus, relative to an even more nakedly corporate convention insider pick.
Biden doesn't make policy decisions standing at podium reading a teleprompter. He sits in meeting and has discussions with advisors and has follow up discussions and rewrites policies and discusses votes and rewrites again with further discussions. That's who I'm voting for and I think he is still able to do that.
They know this already. They aren’t going to be educated on the matter. They’re not voting and working hard to convince others not to as well.
The best thing you can do is call this out when you see it. Ask them to answer how they’d prefer life under Trump’s thumb. Ask them who else could defeat Trump that is running right now. Ask them what are our other options. They’ll do their best to bullshit through responses, but at the end of the day-
They know we have none.
Ask them how they’re support a free Palestine, while being able to see Trump suggesting Israel “finish the job” but that is somehow not enough to vote against him.
These people cannot answer any of these questions in good faith. I’ve asked them, and tons of others have. They distract and counter with bad faith bullshit. Then they disappear- only to reappear elsewhere with the same bullshit.
You cannot reason with, or inform to educate them. They know the facts. And they’re here to urge you not to vote against Trump anyway.
What does that tell you?
Why is this particular political structure and electoral process and set of parties the best? Can't we be more creative? We can do so much more than vote in this same process which makes us choose the 'lesser evil' to save democracy, every election for decades now. I can't bring myself to legitimize the US and still feel a clean conscience any longer.
That there are a lot of bot accounts that can quickly inflame an issue with a pretty obvious grain of truth to it. And that there doesn't seem to be much of a response other than "Biden is better than Trump" or "I support Biden due to his past competence". Which feels like a very nothing burger of an answer, and instead gives plenty more questions rather than reassurance for Biden's campaign. Trump is an dangerous idiot and I'd be the first to say not vote for Trump, a frankly sane and common sentiment. Honestly, the more time goes on, the more it feels like the arguments that are posited for voting for Biden without answering basic questions actually feel like they are being posed by bot accounts.
Until we know different, me too.
Support Joe Biden and ranked choice.
Ranked choice implies the existence of casual choice
Choice can become harder once you go past 7 candidates.
To be fair "He is in this race and I support him" is like saying "He's one of the candidates of all time". It is a milquetoast, borderline sarcastic endorsement.
It's what republicans do. Back your team. It's one of their best plays to win.
No kidding, because she knows he's going to lose, but if he's unwilling to step down it's literally the only play she has at this point.
No one is going to come out and pretend Biden is some great candidate, because he's not. No amount of fake-hype is going to change his chances.
First- I actually really like seeing AOC not being one of those "burn the house down" politicians as I knew her when she started. It seems like she's learned what it takes to get a large group of people to do one thing, and outrage politics does not do that. Frankly this is the restraint I would look for in a future presidential nominee.
Second- at a base level I'm very for Biden stepping down and giving us the opportunity to escape this hellhole of an election cycle. John Stewart put it pretty well to the DNC- "Do you understand the opportunity you have here? Do you have any idea how thirsty Americans are for any hint of inspiration or leadership, and a release from this choice of a megalomaniac and a suffocating gerontocracy?"
I always look for reasonable takes from opposing viewpoints, and I did find American Historian Allan Lichtman's argument for why Biden stepping down would not be the best idea. Here's the 6 minute video of his 13 keys to the Whitehouse which has predicted 9 of the past 10 elections.
TL;DW:
If 5 or fewer of these statements are False, then it is predicted that the incumbent will win. His take is that replacing Biden will do nothing but make point 2 & 3 turn from True statements to False statements, and increase the chances of Trump winning.
While crystal balls are everywhere and you could point to other political scientists who would say different, I was looking for a decent take on the counterpoint. I would also say that in political science, we like to have tools to help us make predictions so we can make actions. Just going on deep gut feeling won't cut it. Having a tool whose measurements don't always align with how you feel an outcome should be doesn't necessarily mean the tool is bad, it means it works independently from your biases. If you watch the video, I think he puts it well as the election is a thumbs up or thumbs down on the party more than it is the individual leader. It might be a helpful thought exercise to change the words "Trump" to "Republican" and "Biden" to "Democrat" when discussing the race as charisma and celebrity only goes so far in politics, but that's what we get caught up in the most.
I actually really like seeing AOC not being one of those “burn the house down” politicians as I knew her when she started
But that's why peopled liked her. Who she is now is basically totally unrepresentative of who she ran as.
To some degree this is always going to be true when you elect a new person to a new position. Think of it as a video game enthusiast becoming an actual developer.
As someone playing a game, it's really easy to suggest ideas and changes and fixes which sound like simple common sense to do. When you actually see the intricate code however, and how it's structured and run, you realize all your ideas from before aren't as easy to implement as you thought. Your mindset evolves to instead focus on practical solutions which have clear ways to implement.
AOC adopting more practical positions is exactly what you want to see. It shows that she's thinking of how to get those goals done. Bernie operates much the same way.
What would be concerning is someone who goes to Congress for the first time and doesn't change. It would mean they're dishonest about what's actually realistic to get done, and they're just telling you what you want to hear so you'll vote for them.
This isn't really a progressive politics issue though. The alternative to Biden isn't a progressive, it's an establishment moderate who can reliably form a coherent sentence. I'm disappointed the people with the sharpest critiques of the decay in Democratic politics aren't taking on this fight, but it's not something I'd hold against them. I think whatever was said in that meeting convinced them that nothing would ever make Joe Biden resign. No influence campaigns, no public statements by politicians, no donor rebellions. He'll drive the car off the cliff before he gives up his ego, so they're just trying to see if somehow they can make it work.
I don't agree, but it's a reasonable choice to make if you fully believe the guy holding the party hostage will die before giving in.
I would rather have a Muppet for a President than white trash like Trump.
Fuck Trump. But also, I think with divisions the way they are, we have to be careful how we engage with our criticisms. And my problem with calling Trump "white trash" is layered. First, white trash has classically been used to denigrate lower class white folks. There's more to unpack there than I want to tackle, but to oversimplify, I feel like it is unnecessarily classist and brings in race at the same time. I'm sure there are plenty of people who you could call white trash that aren't racist, traitorous, scam artists. Also, I would consider Trump either not lower class, or a class traitor. And on top of that, it kind of seems like the least concerning thing about him. Him being cringe or gross or just generally repugnant is so 2016. We're now in the midst of several global catastrophes that this animated blob of greed and hatred will almost certainly pour rocketfuel on.
Please don’t insult white trash like that.
Realistically, I’m not crazy about Biden, but if we wanted someone better we should have held primaries. Changing now is short sighted and won’t get us a more progressive candidate.
All we’ll get now is someone further to the right of Biden. It won’t be the electorate choosing a new Democratic nominee, it will be party insiders who choose someone even more out of touch than Biden.
but if we wanted someone better we should have held primaries.
Bruh ....
Biden and the DNC is why we didn't have a primary...
They're the ones that prevented the primary. They're the ones that decide if it's Biden. And they're the ones that would get to replace him.
They're the fucking problem, why act like voters have any say in the process?
oh my god, you're right! i totally forgot to schedule the primaries this year, sorry!
You must live in Tennessee.
though he was the only Democratic candidate to appear on the party’s Tennessee primary ballot.
Do you think "we" as voters didn't want a primary? It's party insiders the whole way. And if you vote for Biden anyways, you're saying "yeah, i liked how this worked just fine." DNC screwed bernie twice, and RFK, Marianne, and Dean this time. Regardless of who you would back ultimately, the DNC removes all democracy from the process then says they're saving democracy.
Some seem to think Harris would be the presumptive nominee:
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/04/kamala-harris-replace-biden-2024-election
should have held primaries.
... cheerfully overlooking the fact that saying "we thought this was the guy 4 years ago but this other guy is definitely the one" has never gone well EVER?
It went so bad in 68, that we got Nixon.
If our goal this time around is "save democracy by not electing Trump", is it fun to risk certain loss by switching?
I think a lot of people are overthinking this. She's supporting Biden because as of today the battle is "over"
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/09/biden-house-democrats-withdraw-nominee
No use falling on swords anymore, apparently.
This is going to be awful though, as Biden is going to get demolished in another debate, and it'll look terrible if he refuses.
Fuckos took the worst possible shot of AOC into the article. IDK what's this mediaite site is, but they seem to present her position as stupid.
Look at how Donald is presented even in articles he's criticized in.
Yeah the bias is immediately obvious, it's not even their photo so they very deliberately chose this
She is becoming mama bear sooner that I ever thought possible.
My heroine...
I probably shouldn't. I work tomorrow...
Lmao, took me a minute to understand the joke.
Take note how all the world politics experts that were yelling “gEnOciDe jOe”, are now somehow experts on cognitive function and one’s ability to run a political cabinet.
Also take note how seemingly overnight- they all shifted their concern to beating everyone over the head with reports on how Biden isn’t up for the job- despite the fact that we all know that news media is in the business to profit from dumbasses that eat this shit up.
This is an obvious movement to disrupt the election. VOTE LIKE LIVES DEPEND ON IT.
Their narrative is that they don’t want an old man incapable of making speeches, yet they’re fine to see for a rapist felon that spent the entire debate lying his ass off.
VOTE!
I hope that the DNC is prepared to throw away yet another close election by insisting that running an 80 year old incumbent is better than literally anyone else. Their primary system is completely broken and so we will now be living perpetually subjugated to a small minority in this country.
That honestly sounds rather perfunctory… and a lot of other statements I’ve seen lately have the same tone. I think everyone is holding their breath. We’ll see how the next couple weeks shake out.
Bad take. Biden clearly isn’t up for the job anymore. If it really was “just a cold” he would be out doing unscripted interviews and reassuring the public that he isn’t too confused to work after 5pm. The fact that he isn’t means his team thinks it’s more likely than not that he can’t actually convince the public that he’s still with it.
Putting someone else in is a risk but keeping him in is a bigger risk. Models are predicting a 60-70% chance of trump winning if the election was run today. This ignores that now the trump team and conservative media will now be pushing the age issue constantly. Who is going to be confident in Biden after he hides away from the public for the next few months and then drops out of the second debate?
Last, I’m deeply uncomfortable with the Democratic Party giving cover to a president that isn’t mentally fit for the job. There was so much talk about following norms and respecting the office of president while it was trump in the white house, but now some dems are openly saying they’re ok with Biden being controlled by his cabinet and family. Even if it all works out and Bidens cabinet runs the country for 4 more years it’s going to cast a long shadow on future elections where republicans can point to Biden as proof that democrats don’t respect the office and don’t even care if the nominee is competent.
The DNC is a centrist party at best. Leftists have almost no representation.
Biden clearly isn’t up for the job anymore.
He's currently in the job and things are going reasonably well. Do I wish he was more left wing? Yes, but he's been more left than any POTUS during my lifetime. Do I wish he would stop supporting Israel? Absolutely, this is a huge mark against him.
Maybe we can argue that we can see the writing on the wall and we think he won't be able to do the job, but to argue that he clearly can't requires ignoring the reality.
Trump, on the other hand, we had 4 years of and that was a disaster that ended with people attacking the capitol. So if we can say we know any of them is not up for the job, it's clear which way that should point.
Two things though
1 if he can’t get up and speak coherently for an hour at a time I’d argue he actually isn’t doing the job. Communicating clearly and responding to crises at all hours is crucial to the job.
2 there’s little proof that Biden is actually the one calling the shots even ignoring his lack of public appearances
Yeah there are some pretty frightening implications to all of this.
So they're all saying that they're ok with the president being a puppet but also having absolute authority? Sounds highly, highly abusable.
Putting someone else in is a risk
Again, what you mean to say here is "historically a 100% failure rate".
Rare AOC L. This is absolutely the wrong call.
Everyone who's paying attention can see that Biden is heading toward a loss with tragic consequences and only digs himself deeper every time he tries to convince people that the sky is green and replacing him is impossible.
Fact is that, despite spending two campaigns saying the opposite as a tactic, Biden wouldn't lose any sleep over losing. He knows that, because he's rich and privileged in the US, he'll be ok when fascism comes.
Apparently he cares less about the vast majority of the population who emphatically WON'T be ok than he does about his own ego and career. Yet another reason why he's definitely the wrong man for the job and would have been even if he WASN'T on course to lose. Which he is.
I'm not a Biden fan, but sewing discontent is not helpful.
The "I would be at peace" thing is taken out of context as you well know. Biden knows as well as anyone how bad a Trump presidency would be, but how would you have him answer that question? The only possible answer is to say you'll give it your best and deal with the outcome.
sewing discontent is not helpful.
I'm not sowing anything. My point is that the discontent is already there and it's only growing.
The "I would be at peace" thing is taken out of context as you well know
No. He said the words in the context of whether he would care much if he lost. That's how I presented it.
Biden knows as well as anyone how bad a Trump presidency would be
For most people, but not the ones he cares about the most: himself and his rich owner donors.
how would you have him answer that question?
"Yes, losing to the last president and first dictator of the United States of America would obviously be devastating. That's why I'm doing everything in my power to avoid it"
The only possible answer is to say you'll give it your best and deal with the outcome.
No it isn't. See above.
Check username...yep, I don't need to read that, it will all be propaganda
checks recent comment history if that isn't the soot calling the window opaque.. 🤦
She knows she has little to gain personally from calling for Biden to drop out and potentially has a lot to gain if she sides with him and he ends up winning. She's a savvy political operator and deeply cynical.
She's savvy, but she's one of the least cynical of the bunch.
She saw how they stitched up Jamal Bowman and chose to protect her job. It's pretty damn cynical.
She's playing the cynical game of the Democratic party. I don't know if it will pay off.
But fuck she is WAY better than my gerrymandered representative who is a full corporate military machine.
So I don't exactly have a better representative to even reference let alone represent me. So I'll take that cynicism until I can get that changed.
It's definitely the right move for her at this point. If Biden steps aside (or dies) before the election, the Democrats aren't going to nominate someone who didn't back Biden. Publicly backing lets her stay on the team, and maybe one day have a shot at the Presidency herself (assuming we get more than four more years before fascism wins).
It's the right move for her career, anyway.
Et tu, AOC?
I agree with much of what AOC has to say, but not this. I'll bet significant money if Biden remains the nominee that we will lose, unfortunately.
(lol whew there is some serious vote manipulation going on around these parts. I hope admins begin implementing some safeguards soon).
I’ll bet significant money if Biden remains the nominee that we will lose
In a repeat of 2016, we found the most beatable candidate in the Democratic Party and ran that person for President. sigh
(lol whew there is some serious vote manipulation going on around these parts. I hope admins begin implementing some safeguards soon).
There is a strong contingent of Blue MAGA on Lemmy. Anything even remotely critical of Our Dear Leader gets trashed, your account gets reported, and people spill out of the woodworking insisting that you are on the personal payroll of one Mr. V. Vladimirovich Putin or possibly the insidious Hand of the Dragon Himself, CCP Supervillain Xi Jinping.
AOC has been increasingly aligned with the Democratic Party elite these days. My guess is she’s wants to run for senate someday and needs to appear loyal to the people who could make or break her campaign. That said, I do think the kind of insider politics she seems to be engaging in is a betrayal of the progressive values she once held.
You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain.
lmao hahahaha
Well, honey, hes losing his ability to communicate clearly just as he should be at that age. Youre support of him is laudable but you gotta think about whats best for the 81 yr old man. The presidency is the absolute most stressful position anyone can undertake. Someone half bidens age would find it hyperaging lead to health issues that would detrimentally affect his skills at the job. Bidens results will be worse for both him and us. He is just too proud to admit it. Calmerheads need to work on him to make him see that he is not able to hold the reins anymore and should be about enjoying a well deserved retirement. We need someone that has their fingers on the american pulse and the vigor to work with and for it. Someone like, well, AOC
If it saved this country from itself, I'd be willing for Biden to be chained and whipped in the oval office. We're not deciding whats best for an 81 year old man, we're deciding for the entire nation and even the international community especially with NATO on the line.
If we elect the 79 year old instead of the 81 year old, social security is going to get cut and ruin lives for millions of people over 65.
Maybe I agree with some of this comment. But that "honey" at the beginning comes off as pretty patronizing. At least, to me.
Yeah weird sexist vibes
I call her that because i love her not out of any patronizing intent
AOC is still a hair to young to be eligible, but I would gladly take Jay Inslee, Gavin Newsom, or Beto O'Rourke. Hell, at this point I'd settle for Florida Man Jeb Bush if that's what it takes to get swing voters on board.
(People like to shit in Beto, but he almost won Texas, which is more than any recent Democratic presidential nominee can say.)
Progressives will be absolutely woodchippered if they did anything otherwise. Prob best to stand this one out and let the centrists fight it out. AOC is as delusional as Biden if she thinks he can win this. Not a great look.
AOC strikes me as someone who sees the game as is. She won’t endorse anyone but Democratic nominee, presumptive or otherwise.
I mean she's got her game to play and Biden has his.
I don’t know who downvotes like insanity around here, I think there is a lot of validity in your take.
And preferably, name someone who has announced their candidacy.
A list of people you'd like in the job isn't as relevant. I would've accepted almost any of the names people had floated, had any of them publicly shown interest.
But here we are with people often demanding Jon Stewart and Michelle Obama throw their hats in the ring, and that's two people who keep saying they aren't interested.
Edit: the shit people downvote here.
No one who wants to run in 2028 is going to run against the incumbent President unless that President is incredibly weak.
Biden in 2020 was solid, but even he had a close win over Trump. Biden 2022 was starting to show signs of wear (understandably so), but planning for 2024 made sense. Not my favorite choice, but I don't think it was necessarily wrong. 2024 SOTU Biden scared Republicans so much they made up all sorts of drug rumors.
Jump to 1st Debate 2024 Biden. That was his first real misstep. Biden can recover from this.
Biden was far from my first choice in 2020, but he's done a great job. He needs to get out there and prove it. Showcase what he's done and pitch a plan for a future America.
Right now I don't know if Biden can do that. I saw parts of it during the debate, but I want more. Biden should be able to convince his own party he has what it takes to win. Biden isn't incredibly weak at the moment, but he's getting weaker.
At the end of the day I'm voting for Biden (or his replacement) because I believe in Democrat policy. I'm not just voting "against Trump", I believe Democratic policy is better for Americans and the American people. Republican policy, especially under Trump, isn't even worth considering, it's fascism and I don't mean that hyperbolically.
If Biden can't beat Democrats, Biden can't beat Trump and that's a big fuckin concern to me.
Also, since you're looking for a name, Newsom has made it clear he is going to run in 2028. Will he run if Biden steps down? That's debatable. It's going to be a tough race and a loss in 2024 probably means no chance of running in 2028. There is a chance no one can beat Trump (and that's even scarier).
(Also to anyone on the fence, Fuck Trump. Get your ass to the voting booth on election day and vote Biden.)
The ones who aren't interested are usually more trustworthy?
Vermin Supreme!
Marianne Williamson. I want President Williamson. She has announced her candidacy. I will gladly support the Democrats if she’s their candidate.
Otherwise, I’ll probably support the Greens.
Whining about being downvoted (BY ONE PERSON IN THIS CASE) is a great way to ensure that I downvote you.
We’d love to, but Biden killed primaries and caucuses. And there’s not a Democrat in existence that will go up against the DNC’s hand-picked candidate after their behavior over the last decade.
To be clear, I'm planning to vote against trump unless somehow biden gets replaced with someone worse than trump (~0% chance that happens, but still)
that said, I don't know a single person who's happy with biden or excited that he's the candidate, and frankly I doubt the sanity of anyone excited about him as much as I doubt bidens sanity (whereas with people voting for trump the insanity is crystal clear). I don't know for sure who would be better, kamala might be the best bet, but being able to get through a debate without gibberish word salad sentences should be an obvious requirement
It should be, but the time and place for it was in the primaries, not when you're up against another word salad candidate with a die hard rock solid base.
Isn't Kamala thoroughly disliked?
The point is that is a fine viewpoint to have, but to loudly just bemoan problem rather than proposing the preferred alternative is hardly useful. It has all the downsides of undermining the still presumptive candidate without any concrete hint of building up an alternative.
This is the problem with Leftists. Y'all censor or cancel anyone with opposing viewpoints, and then you get trapped by your own bubble and confused by how it doesn't jive with reality, so you make up conspiracy theories to explain the difference.
I wonder how much of it is just undermining Biden. I lump this in with the "just any third party" people. It doesn't make sense unless your goal is to just undermine Biden to bemoan his situation and the party without rallying behind something more specific. The "just any third party" implies the person is equally stoked about the chances of a Green Party or a Libertarian candidate, which makes no sense given the vastly different platforms.
100% of it. Either directly, or via useful idiots.
I remember when RBG said the same thing. "Who would you rather see on the court other than me?" The answer is literally anyone else who isn't a christofascist rapist, but they ended up with that one christofascist rapist.
And you're not able to see the difference between a guaranteed nomination and a national election?
It may also be a little late to introduce a new candidate, unless they have great name recognition. Betcha Bernie 2.0 would mobilize a goodly number of people, while centrists would hold their noses, and just vote for Not Trump.
Bernie isn't running, and Biden isn't quitting, so we take what we can get. At this point, I would literally vote for a loofah if it ran against Trump.
Someone on lemmy said this Sunday that France leftist successfully formed a global left party in 4 weeks, surely Democrats could find a candidate in 4 months.
I want to see AOC as your president.
Then we don't need name recognition. Any middle of the road Democrat will do.
Jon Stewart gets it, why can’t you?
The current vice president, who also is the vice presidential candidate, and who Biden's campaign itself says is qualified to replace him if he's incapacitated? You know, the one that's already effectively a candidate for the presidency because no one believes Biden will last 4 years?
K. How does she poll against Trump?
America will NOT elect a Black woman. Independent voters have already been fed four years of bullshit about her. Remember all the conspiracy theories about how Biden was going to immediately step down after the 2020 election and hand the Presidency over to Kamala, which would be apocalyptically bad because...well, you know...mumble mumble
Offering to run instead of Biden at this point would basically be political suicide, so it’s no wonder nobody has stepped up. If Biden backs out though the math changes significantly. This is t a very convincing argument.
I dunno I could probably win, not exactly steep competition lol
Democrats can't name someone until Biden agrees or they have a majority ready to try to force him out. It really is Biden's decision to step aside. The issue is the polls are saying he should step aside, and it looks like he wants to lose.
No, the pundits are saying he should pull out.
I don't think the opinion "the man who has control of the nuclear arsenal is showing signs of senility and should not serve another 4 years regardless of who replaces him" is not an unreasonable one
When the current only alternative is someone with clearly worse faculties and intentions, it obviously fucking is. Again, name who you think can beat him. Go ahead. Take into account the entire current political climate. We'll wait.
It wouldn't be if there were an alternative who was not showing similar or worse signs of senility. When both of the only feasible candidates have the same issue, that issue is mostly moot.
Dude, anyone. Who in the democratic party is more corrupt than Trump? To paraphrase Biden himself, there are at least fifty people that could win against Trump.
I hope Biden is one of the fifty right now... But I am not certain.
Kamala Harris. Pete Buttigieg. Fucking anyone else. I'd rather vote for Mitt Romney than Donald Trump; we don't need Biden.
But your question is obviously made in bad faith. You will argue that anyone we name is unelectable. Meanwhile, the framework of the discussion ignores Biden's own questionable electability.
I disagree. My logic is as follows:
Premise 1. Joe Biden cannot beat Trump
Premise 2: Virtually any other democrat can beat Trump
Conclusion: If we want to beat Trump, Biden should step down and be replaced by virtually any other Democrat
You say he can't beat Trump, but he already beat healthcare, so who knows what else he can beat
Why can't Joe beat Trump? Because he seems old and confuses things? You think that's why people are voting for Trump?
This continues to be a disingenuous meme response. If they named a name you'd complain that they were trying to install their choice rather than have an open selection process.
Try me. I'm waiting. No one has named a name.
My best alternative choice would be Bernie but I don't think he'd actually beat Trump because he'd lose some centrists, doesn't seem particularly less old, and hasn't held presidential office before. What's your choice?
I don't think that's a disingenuous response. I can name a lot of people I liked who ran in the primaries in '20 as well as a slew of up and coming names. I don't think they have as strong a chance as Biden.
Like many have already said, I think that focusing on a lackluster debate (in which he actually responded well based on the content of his responses and the policy he promoted) is not the way to go about this.
As much as I like other names for the presidency, I think Biden is our best shot at staving off disaster and he did get a lot done with the Inflation Reduction Act. Another four years of that policy trajectory is definitely something I can get behind. That's at least a step in the right direction.