If it hasn't come at trump's request, I would agree with you. But allowing trump to get this win when it comes to changing the requirements for the debates would just open the door for more demands.

oh you were in the legislature when the laws were crafted?

Lol were you in the legislature when they passed this law? You seemed to have no issue declaring the reason for it when it confirmed what you wanted to be true, and now hypocritically are attacking me for for actually knowing why the law exists.

And no one is saying that they can't make their laws as they like. You've so badly lost this argument, and you know it, that you've turned to blatant hypocrisy and to attacking strawmen. Again, to be clear, I'm arguing the law is clearly unjust and it would a travesty of justice that these people lose 10 years of their lives, and their children lose 10 years of their parents, because they made a mistake.

You've made it clear the reason you have a hard on for these people being punished is that they gun owners and you don't like gun owners. I'm just holding the mirror up and you don't like what you see.

Can I ask that you first explain to me why you think this mother, while travelling with her daughter, was intentionally trying to smuggle 2 rounds of ammo out of Turks and Caicos? If you can come up with a reasonable explanation for this, I'd be happy to answer your question.

Holy shit, you're actually trying to argue that it's unjust to be punished for intentionally breaking a law, but perfectly fine to be punished with 10 years in prison for making a mistake.

You're very blatantly playing the role of the racist conservative gleefully cheering on the imprisonment of a person from a group they don't like, regardless of the justness of the reason, and you have no idea.

Do I fuck around and attempt to find out? No.

Again, you keep trying to paint it as them intentionally breaking the law. There is no indication of this. It seems just dishonest at this point to continually frame it this way. They didn't "attempt to find out" they fucked up. Why is this so hard for you to admit?

I couldn't care less why they weren't smart enough. I'm okay with them being punished for it, but in these cases a fine seems more reasonable than a decade in prison.

by the gun lovers in this thread who would see them skate on their crimes.

I'm for pretty strict gun control. You are exposing yourself here: this isn't about being reasonable, it's about some vengefulness against gun owners. Get out of your black and white thinking and taking sides and be objective.

people unintentionally break US laws all the time, yet our system still punishes them. and foreigners who visit and do the same too.

Does it really need to be explained that two wrongs don't make a right? It seems mad to me that one would say "these people should be punished because the us justice system does some things poorly."

I think the Turks is fucking justified in being upset at the endless line of assholes who KEEP TRYING TO BRING AMMO into their country. It’s not an isolated incident.

They didn't pass this law because people were unintentionally bringing tiny amounts of ammo into the country, they passed it because the law wasn't strict enough to punish people smuggling in ammo for gangs. How does one actually convince themselves that they were actually targeting tourists with 10 years in prison because they accidentally bring ammo in the country? Lol

Don’t crime, don’t do time. Isn’t that what conservatives love to tell everyone?

So do you say the same thing when some young black person goes to jail for a small amount of marijuana? I'm pretty liberal can see the injustice in both of these. I'm not sure why people have such a hard on for seeing these otherwise innocent people going to jail for a stupid mistake. It's like being a conservative and cheering on black kids going to jail for possessing pot.

Why do you want to see them in jail so badly? Have you asked yourself this?

I can easily follow that logic and I get it. The whole point is that the poster is arguing they deserve to be punished by arguing that people would be punished by the us system. What the us system does or does not do has zero bearing on whether this is just.

you and I both know they won’t spend a decade in the clin

I would hope not, but I know nothing of the Turks and Caicos legal system, so it would be extremely presumptuous of me to claim I know that.

IF they get sentenced then the state dept will go to work and these jackasses will pay some kind of fine.

Either they do something now, or after conviction, I don't particularly care.

Don’t want to go to a jail in a foreign country? Don’t break their fucking laws. It’s really quite simple

This is the whole point, it seems these were completely unintentional violations of their laws. The way you write this makes it sound like they just don't care about the laws there.

Let me break it down for you:

Top level poster was saying noone in the us gets a break, so these people from the us should not get a break.

They think that because the us has bad policies, these people should be punished.

Their position had less ( or even nothing ) to do with whether these actions should be punishable because they themselves are bad, their position is about them being punished as some kind of pay back for us policy.

This isn’t punishment for actions of their state lol, this is punishment for their own actions.

Yes, I understand this, and it's not what I said at all. Not even remotely.

No one is saying they shouldnt have to follow the law because they are Americans. People are pointing out that this law is clearly unjust and ridiculous that someone would spend over a decade behind bars for making a dumb mistake. the law isn't just regardless of what country it is. This is one of the times I have zero problem with the us throwing it's weight around to protect it's citizens around the world: to save them from ridiculous punishments for making a mistake.

Noone is saying they're exempt from the law, only that it is clearly an injustice that someone go to jail for a decade for making a dumb mistake.

Do you really think the intent of the law is to send people to jail for accidentally carrying some ammo?

Don't get me wrong, I don't buy his story for a second, but dear God, your whole post exposes ignorance of how couples work, and reeks of "hes the man of the house and should take control."

I've been with my wife for over 20 years. We don't make sure everything the other does we agree with, and we don't constantly keep tabs on what the other is doing. Claiming that it speaks poorly of him because he doesn't keep some kind of totalitarian eye on his wife is kind of ironic in a comments section of this article.

You recognize the injustice of it, but still some individuals, who have not wronged anyone with their acts, should receive lengthy prison terms because you don't like the perceived policies of the us.

Also let's point out that there is absolutely zero evidence that these people are 'ignoring' the law. It seems they are just idiots who made dumb and careless mistakes. You just need to paint it way to justify the completely unjustifiable position of thinking individuals should be punished for the actions of their state.

Can you point to me which denomination makes a triangle when they do it?

Missing the forest for the trees.

So law and morality are the same?

Why do you feel people need to spend 10 years in jail for being stupid? And no I don't think the law is a joke, I think this one is very unjust.