Joe Rogan and Bret Weinstein Promote AIDS Denialism to an Audience of Millions
Joe Rogan and Bret Weinstein Promote AIDS Denialism to an Audience of Millions
I'm fifty. Joe Rogan is fifty six. Even though I was young in the eighties, by 1992 I had already lost six people I knew to AIDS. Joe, being six years older than I, would have witnessed peak AIDS apocalypse as an older teen. He was even from New Jersey, not some suburb in the midwest. He would have seen some shit. All he has to do is remember, but he chooses willful ignorance.
We all just lived through covid. It's not that hard to imagine someone denying the existence of a global plague that effects people they know.
We are all living through global climate change, and the collapse of late stage capitalism, etc. These and their I'll are selling copium to the masses of folks who can't face reality and choose to live in fantasy.
Even those of us in the Midwest knew enough about AIDS by the 90s to understand this is just utter bullshit. I'm from Indiana, which is where Ryan White was born and died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White
And if AIDS was caused by poppers, then Ryan White would not have died.
He has repeatedly talked about how frightening it was to live thru the AIDS epidemic and seeing people drop left and right
Oh, he remembers, it's just he doesn't give a fuck. All he wants is attention, because that's how he makes cash.
Maybe he was lucky, I'm 46 and lost almost only old people through more or less old age. I feel really lucky about it. And I know people who lost people right and left, suicide, accidents, plane crashes...
Joe Rogan: What dumb people think smart people are like.
Aka, The Big Bang theory for bros.
He has a head filled with ground beef and he looks like a thumb.
That's insulting to both ground beef and thumbs, but I'll allow it because it's accurate.
He's got beef brain
The Bro Bang Theory
Bro job! Bro job! Bro job!
Fear Factor Famous!
Rogan is such a shit. I can't wait for his endorsement of Trump. You know that asshole's endorsement is coming. And he'll do it while talking about how old Biden is and ignoring the fact that Trump is only four years younger. Because he's a fucking idiot.
he was around during trump, he endorses the same things as trump, the same candidates as trump, with a few exceptions in both, and says "nah bro, I'm just thinking for myself and outside the mainstream"
I fully expect Rogan to endorse RFK Jr.
interesting how the standard Presidential term is also four years...
He is Bernie Sanders guy, there's no Trump endorsement coming. If anyone, it would be Kennedy he would endorse I think, but I don't remember him ever endorsing anyone at all. Not sure why you're so pissed at the guy when you kinda seem to have no idea the type of candidates the guy is into. Ya he has some fucking way out there views and ideas for a guy with such a huge platform, but if you're paying attention at all he is way more on the Sanders end of the scale. He brings people like Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Kennedy on. And I'm pretty certain he's said he'd never host Biden or Trump on the show, I think he like a lot of us, fuck both these two guys, give us someone worth voting for...
He is Bernie Sanders guy, there’s no Trump endorsement coming.
Oh is he now?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/country-thriving-joe-rogan-says-162219415.html
I wish this idiot would have a stroke and die in his sleep.
Rogan or Weinstein?
"Yes"
With all the red meat he eats it's probably coming
Someone should tell those babies born with AIDS to stop taking poppers.
They don’t care if what they are spouting is true or not. They just want a platform to make money off the gullible. It’s all about having a platform and making $$$.
I'm torn between "free speech!" and "this should be illegal".
There have always been limits. You can't shout fire in a crowded theatre.
People can’t stop and say, “Well, I wonder if there actually is fire in the theater? I will calmly head over to the person who shouted that and ask him for evidence that the fire is in fact in this theater. When he has explained his view about the fire, I will thoroughly research the topic and come to my own conclusions on the matter and make my own decision about how to respond to the issue of fire in the theater.”
The real bummer is that a convincing enough argument could make people do some really stupid things. That’s always been true though. Never more true than now, when so many people are being argued at all the time about crazy things.
I think it should be illegal to knowingly spread false information about things that could cause harm (especially for those who do it for money), but the bit that worries me is figuring out who decides and enforces the rules in such a case.
I mean, we all seen the insurrection with our own eyes, and somehow people in positions of power who experienced it fucking say it didn’t happen, or that it was antifa.
Well, my head is going back in the sand for a bit. Gonna go laugh at a meme or three.
If he can't eat it, fuck it or shoot it, he can't understand it
I'm pretty sure he doesn't understand those either.
Or smoke it.
Oh Bret. Having taken some of his classes in 2012, and having known his family and kids... I instantly recognize him in grift mode. He will always take refuge in plausible deniability and hyperfocus on a concrete detail (like 80s drug culture being unhealthy for people's immune systems) and handwave the significance of other factors.
He then leaves the conclusions to people like Rogan and won't necessarily refute ridiculous takes.
It was a technique for guiding academic seminars he used. It helped cut through people getting stuck in the weeds, but it also often just led to him allowing the seminar to derail and go into the weeds.
How is this not illegal in the US ? Someone needs to sue this idiot
AiDS Denialism is a thing?
Free speech vs causing catastrophic harms. From the perspective of deaths caused, why is this different to firing shots into a crowd?
The American conception of freedom of speech is all about personal rights, with no thought to personal responsibility. The reason freedom of speech is important is precisely because it's consequential. The idea of using free speech (a precious right) responsibly, if it ever existed, is gone now .
The reason and justification for free speech is also about preventing tyranny and holding people accountable and allowing unusual dissenting voices to be heard.
But a few now own all the means of communication, control and shape the speech and have practically become the government. There is no freedom of speech if so much of it is controlled and so much noise is blasted. Speech has become a commodity and if it's free it's worthless.
Americans could sure benefit with the Scandinavian idea of the Law of Jante.
I can decide to turn off nonsense podcasts. I can't decide not to get shot if someone is shooting at me.
A better metaphor might be screaming "that guy's got a gun" in a crowded theatre. I might be able to ignore it, but lots of people are going to believe it and act accordingly, and their reaction is probably not going to be good for anyone.
“The pen is mightier than the sword”.
Jamie, pull that up
Dudes head is all skull so no surprise.
Did anyone listen to the conversation..? Because what Vice is claiming is not at all what was talked about. They are chopping up the 20 minute conversation on said topic and creating a completely different conversation.
Bret was saying the drug scene did not help people who had AIDS, as it helped ruin the immune system for people who had an immune disease.
They brought Fauci up (the subject of RFK'S book) because of Fauci pushing AZT, which literally killed thousands
Zidovudine killed thousands? Bullshit. Magic Johnson is alive today because of Antiretrovirals, of which AZT was the first.
The median survival time of AIDS patients on azidothymidine was 4.5 times higher when compared to a historical AIDS group who had not received the drug.
Drugs kill people, thousands isn't very many. Iatrogenic, whatever, people die from chemotherapy although it's hard to establish whether they would have without the cancer already being present. HIV has killed many more, and anti-retrovirals work, even if all drugs have side-effects.
Even so - I'm busy so I'm not going to bother listening to the podcast, but I assume he's being misrepresented because that's usually the case nowadays.
No
This is my default assumption on all slander articles like this. I stopped listening to JRE when he went Spotify exclusive so I can't comment on anything recent, but having listened to every single podcast episode from probably equally controversial podcaster Sam Harris, it's quite hilarious to compare the actual content of the podcast to what these articles are saying.
Most of the people critizising ones like Joe Rogan here have never listened a single episode of their shows. While there's plenty of legitimate reasons to critizise for aswell, most of the stuff I hear are bad faith misrepresentations and quotes out of context.
I've listened to Rogan. Edited or unedited, he's a dumbfuck.
Yeah. I agree with you. I definitely don't agree with a lot that Rogan says and as he even says, he's not smart. With this said, he has very intellectual guests.
I was merely stating that Vice, along with most corporate media outlets, like to completely chop up his interviews and create a hit piece from quotes out of context; people eat it up and rage about it and it's not just Rogan this happens to. Those media outlets love to create anger and turmoil from nothing; most people can't think for themselves, so headlines and trash articles are how they make opinions
Joe Rogan is the living embodiment of being so open minded that your brains fall out.
I mean that’s beautifully put…..
But unfortunately it’s simpler than that. It’s the story of a reasonable man that achieved beyond his dreams and then flipped sides because of money and status.
“Suddenly I have an opinion on the capital gains tax.” Type of stuff.
Was he a 'reasonable man' before or after he decided the moon landings were fake?
I, too, have an opinion on the capital gains tax. It should be taxed at the same rate as income. We can let them keep the exception on the first half million in profit because I'm feeling nice today.
You guys invent the most imaginative stories. You could even be a guest on Rogan it is so interesting!
Take my wife!
This is a 9 minute beat poem about a conversation with a podcaster.