r/neoliberal gets triggered cuz indigenous people use academic language to describe their oppression
r/neoliberal gets triggered cuz indigenous people use academic language to describe their oppression
Libs totally aren't fascists btw
Someone using "settler colonialism", "turtle island", etc etc is akin to hearing a Republican bring up Hunter Biden in that I know I can simpy (sic) discount everything they say about everything.
This is what a settler-colonial fascist scumbag sounds like. This is a whole cracker. Death to America, death to Canada, death to the cracker settler menace.
Seeing these cracker fucks talk like this while continuing to displace fellow ndns (thacker pass for a more recent and egregious example) brings about a certain type of hatred in my heart.
It's a reason I keep saying I'm about out of the desire to come together with and try to educate these malevolent settler bastards/have ceased even seeing humanity in them
the whitest, too, like pure saltine
Settler colonialism is a real thing that happened in history with devastating consequences for indigenous peoples around the globe.
Still very much happening but it's only really being called out in Western societies. Meanwhile indigenous Tibetans are having their culture erased by Han Chinese, etc...
I got the "pshaw what about tibet" response when I mentioned the ansarallah movement's statement of solidarity with all settler-colonized people on the planet
they got mad when i asked them what they thought "settler-colonialism" meant
they ended the conversation in anger when I brought up the slavery and torture that the Chinese stopped in Tibet
Still very much happening but it's only really being called out in Western societies
"white people are the superior master aryan race because they're so much more enlightened and progressive than the savage inferior untermenschen"
There's a direct line between the liberal supporting the acquisition of new colonies in 1870 and those people.
After all, the UK, France, Italy, Germany - all had elections back then, which were usually decided between a liberal and conservative party (and both did colonialism)
having their culture erased by Han Chinese,
enslaving people and being pedophiles is just their culture
It [the name Turtle Island] sounds so cute. It makes me want to live here even more, if 130 years of relative safety for my family weren't a good enough reason.
How fucking absolutely ghoulish do you have to be to say some shit like this. You live in relative wealth and safety BECAUSE your ancestors and the rest of the colonial establishment committed atrocities against the indigenous peoples of America, stole their land, and continue to erase them even as they live today.
Imagine knowing that today tribal land is some of the most disadvantaged areas of this country, with poor access to healthcare, education, aid, etc. and the absolute extreme hardship their ancestors went through and then saying this shit being a privileged cracker ass mf. Absolute genocidal maniacs.
PPI has been around since 1989 and views itself as Bill Clinton's "idea mill" aka think tank. Why I call them a fossil fuel think tank is detailed here. They oppose climate action, defend fracking, and receive donations from Exxon Mobil.
it's safe to say that their upvotes are farmed, and their organic support is mostly bourgeois economics and political science majors and interns who hope to work for PPI or a similar think tank one day. It's basically a Neera Tanden farm.
The creator of r/neoliberal, Colin Mortimer, is the Director of the Center for New Liberalism at PPI, which seeks to "develop a salient identity around the center-left values that have increasingly come under fire in this age of populism."
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Reminder that [r/neoliberal was created by and is astroturfed by a fossil fuel think tank called the Progressive Policy Institute, as part of their "Neoliberal Project"](https://archive.is/dNo5d#selection-533.230-533.424)PPI has been around since 1989 and views itself as Bill Clinton's "idea mill" aka think tank. [Why I call them a fossil fuel think tank is detailed here.](https://archive.is/4Voil#selection-595.0-597.270) They oppose climate action, defend fracking, and receive donations from Exxon Mobil.it's safe to say that their upvotes are farmed, and their organic support is mostly bourgeois economics and political science majors and interns who hope to work for PPI or a similar think tank one day. It's basically a Neera Tanden farm.The creator of r/neoliberal, [Colin Mortimer](https://twitter.com/Colinmort), is the [Director of the Center for New Liberalism at PPI](https://archive.is/Jq2sO), which seeks to "develop a salient identity around the center-left values that have increasingly come under fire in this age of populism."Neera Tanden farm
Salt the earth
This should be a copypasta/canned bot response everytime the word "neoliberal" is used. Or at least when "r/neoliberal" is used.
Not enough people know that place is astroturfed to hell - to an even greater extent than most subreddits
@muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml could this suggestion be someday turned to reality?
: Indigeneity is itself a Complex(TM) topic that needs to be defined first before going anywhere.Edit: from that article:
A left-wing kibbutznik who lives a few miles from Gaza and drives sick Palestinians to Israeli hospitals is no less a colonialist than a right-wing theocratic settler
Ah fuck I didn't even think about the left wing kibbutznik
The article is a comedy goldmine
In invocations of settler colonialism, Berkowitz hears progressives giving up on effecting change through political means.
Decolonization isn't political, apparently
Apparently "terrorists" is more accurate and descriptive of ebil hamas than "settler colonialism" is of the neo europes.
drives sick Palestinians to Israeli hospitals
white man's burden but its cringe DSA radlibs
settling and ethnically cleansing palestine, leftistly
White people really think liberation is a massive "Draw 4 Reverse" Uno card. Nothing but perpetual fear that "they'll do to us what we did to them" like that doesn't immediately betray the reality of settler-colonialism.
i support it regardless but I don't see how Hawaiian independence would work without deporting or disenfranchising a bunch of crackers and whatever non-white non-indigenous people who would immediately vote to (re)join
or otherwise dominate local politics by sheer numbers.Koupe tet, boule kay. Cut off the head, burn down the house. Crackery is a verminous infestation in that if it's not utterly eradicated, it will come back. All I had to do to learn that was look at the way I was raised as though cracker-borne racism had been eradicated, only for the last 10 years to occur right after my most formative years.
love when colonizers catch a whiff of solidarity between colonized peoples and start whining about how they're all meant to be separate nations with their own mutually unintelligible culture that can be easily fragmented and subsumed by the empire.
Yeah wtf? Why take the creation story for one culture and apply it across a diverse array of cultures and peoples? Lmao
Cope and seethe
also i know this is just a trope of reactionary writing, but postcolonial theory is decades old, why are they all acting like it's something that only sprung up recently?
Someone using "settler colonialism", "turtle island", etc etc is akin to hearing a Republican bring up Hunter Biden in that I know I can simpy discount everything they say about everything.
It's also more aggravating than the Republican version -- the MAGA vibe of "I'm just a simple man who believes what I see" is way more tolerable than "My niche hyper-privileged worldview represents the pinnacle of human intellect".
Hm. I wonder why one of those is more tolerable to you than the other. What a mystery. Also complaining about intellectual smugness is rich coming from the official technocracy fandom subreddit.
but postcolonial theory is decades old, why are they all acting like it's something that only sprung up recently?
because now people are applying it in ways that pose a very immediate and significant threat to western interests in the middle east, and discourse about how palestinians are somehow the colonizers didn't stick, so the best move for maintaining western hegemony is to denounce it. up until now, ignoring it or paying small inconsequential lip service towards it was the better move (because jumping the gun on that would end up being received a lot like republican fearmongering about CRT), but that only remains the case as long as the material impact of it can be contained.
Strategy of Tension : "Did somebody call?"
I can't believe the white man viciously took our land, destroyed our culture, and replaced it with
redditThis is something every pan-racial (for lack of a better term) movement will run into. Every movement needs its foundational myths (in the folkloric sense, not the "stories that are false" sense) and common beliefs to function. When you're trying to unite disparate peoples whose main reason for joining together is to increase political/bargaining power, you're going to have to either choose to prioritize certain narratives over others or create new narratives whole cloth.
The crackers have to label this as a "pan-racial" thing because they don't want to admit that "whiteness" is a construct and they have no culture.
White people have a culture. Think 'petri dish'
As Chris Hannah once sung, "Just what exactly are the great historical accomplishments of your race that make you proud to be white? Capitalism? Slavery? Genocide? Sit-coms? This is your fucking white-history, my friend. So why don't we start making a history worth being proud of and start fighting the real fucking enemy?".
ctrl+f "apartheid" NOT FOUND, I wonder why?
Recently, I stood on a windswept street corner in Brooklyn
Finance imperialist stepping over homeless people to write for the PMC soy fascist periodical
Just by way of concentrating the mind, let’s remember the specific nature of the violent resistance practiced by Hamas,
"nooo you ignorant workers have to be brainwashed by our demonic ideology"
director of the Hannah Arendt Center
the PMC anti-communist journo who infamously was racist against the eastern Jewish judge who presided over the holocaust. Its so telling that woke PMC today celebrate a disgusting soulless monster like that! :amber:
Amber.
receipts on Hannah Arendt being extremely racist in defense of colonialism.
Black and indigenous folk genuinely need a Hamas of our own
The worst part of being held hostage by such a group would be the state trying to coerce me into making up outlandish claims of torture after I was released
In invocations of settler colonialism, Berkowitz hears progressives giving up on effecting change through political means. “The left has replaced its faith in proletarian subjects and utopian solutions with a view of the Indigenous as innocent and oppressed. It’s an ethics rather than a politics.”
What the fuck does this even mean?
It means the only valid form of politics is
They're doing what what's called class reductionism but doing it for real instead of the imagined thing liberals think we do
It reads more like: "Faith in proletarian subjects and utopian solutions" devoid of ethical considerations...
Using the science of ethics to inform your political position about the real world...
Typical liberal rag, esoteric navel-gazing only/no realpolitik allowed... There's nothing quite as pathetic as watching a liberal wonder about the world.
I wonder what these liberals mean by "the left" in this context?
yea ima be honest leftists need to stop talking like that yesterday
tbh it sounds more like a liberal thing, or at least someone who hasn't given up on the USgov
it has the same vibes as "institutional racism" where you constantly repeat the passive-voiced option so it sounds less bad and alarming (don't @ me, instutions are just full of racist crackers and their lapdogs, 99% of the time "institutional" racism is literally just normal-ass racism)
What even are neo liberals? Lol. I mean, I know the definition but who are these people? Just rightists who have taken LSD before?
A species of aligned White supremacists that use graphs and economic vocabulary to legitimize their claim to power. e g: Techbros, lanyard professionals, econ, polisci, and business school majors.
They’re just fascists who think looking at genocide is icky but otherwise wouldn’t stop it.
True believers in the current status quo, of superiority of the west, nationalists, as well as being privileged under the current economic system (or thinking they are), knowing it and acting to enforce those privileges. The kind of person to support the conquest of new colonies in 1870, to support WW1 in the 1910s, to think Hitler would be a useful ally against communism in 1940, to openly admire figures like Kissinger or Reagan, to support the Iraq War, wanting the west to nuke Moscow etc.
They're all going to become openly right wing in probably not that many years, but they don't want to be seen as right wing now. They're not nationalists after all (they're patriots), they're democrats - wanting the government to rule responsibly over the unwashed ignorant masses who they feel so superior to.
Kind of interesting how “turtle island” became the defacto name for North America among some indigenous peoples and activists. Only a few tribes (out of literally 1,000s), the Lenape and Iroquois of the eastern woodlands on North America referred to it roughly as such with translations from the 16th and 17th centuries it’s difficult to know exactly what the context of this story was but it’s become so popular in some circles. If you had a Time Machine and were transported back to pre contact Pacific Northwest, nobody would know about Turtle Island. It’s literally putting indigenous peoples into a monolith.
I am unfamiliar with this topic, can someone explain to me what this person got wrong?
I don't see how indigenous movements using a name that was originally used by only few peoples puts the whole of indigenous peoples in a monolith.
They're also acting like indigenous people have to treat their culture as undead. Existing, but not changing. The Navajo may have not used the term 'Turtle Island' before colonization, but it doesn't mean Navajo people post-colonisation can't adopt the word as part of a greater pan-indigenous movement of solidarity against the horrors of colonisation.
yeah, i think they think maybe that 'turtle island' is bad, only the few bad apples of all indigenous peoples use it; then the rest must prefer the only alternative, i.e. the default, i.e. the status quo, i.e. what is in their material interest
why can't other indigenous groups prefer turtle island even if it isn't their ideal name? why would it be thought that an indigenous group/tribe/band would be spoken for by settler-colonials instead of engage in solidarity with one another, especially other's who share the same goals?
This reply was actually pretty good:
This is something every pan-racial (for lack of a better term) movement will run into. Every movement needs its foundational myths (in the folkloric sense, not the "stories that are false" sense) and common beliefs to function. When you're trying to unite disparate peoples whose main reason for joining together is to increase political/bargaining power, you're going to have to either choose to prioritize certain narratives over others or create new narratives whole cloth. Since legitimacy tends to come from either time or power and these movements lack power, most groups are going to pick the first option (in reality, a mix between the two options). Due to the relative prominence of the Eastern Woodlands in both American/Canadian history and members of tribes from that region in the creation of pan-Indianism, narratives from those tribes are going to be prioritized. And other people are going to go along with it, because joining with the movement is more beneficial than fighting it, especially for something as minor as this.
Fascinating stuff, thanks!
Even if they are right (and likewise I’m too ignorant on this to know) this comes across as concern trolling given the context. If they were making this criticism to the activists as another activist it could be a completely reasonable criticism but theyre making the comment in an r/neoliberal thread where theyre trying to make themselves feel better about being the beneficiaries of colonialism.
Oh yeah, it's 100% concern trolling, but it's useful to understand why it's wrong.
I want to unread that thread
Wow 20,000 words of white cope
Shit isn’t hard indigenous is easy to define, you know it when you see it, and it ain’t you
Oh this shit pisses me right the fuck off. These lily-white nerds bent over a keyboard arguing over a group of people that their proposed policies hurt the most. Hope they enjoy the climate change that's brought upon the world despite indigenous groups predicting it for centuries.
Hope they enjoy the climate change that's brought upon the world despite indigenous groups predicting it for centuries.
Europe is literally the fastest warming continent, it's warming at twice the rate of everyone else
stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin
Absolutely calling North America 'Turtle Island' from now on
Someone compared what the US/Canada did to their Indigenous population to what China is supposedly doing to Tibet.
Remind me again what % of Tibetans speak Tibetan compared to Indigenous people speak their traditional languages?
