Great! I like getting tracked by 766 third parties! thanks Outlook

Agree this is bullshit, but at least there’s a Reject All button which is far more than we probably would have got prior to the introduction of GDPR.
- reject() { accept(); } accept() { sendData(); }
  
  If they did that, the EU would be on their heels.
  You can bet they have been wary ever since the IE debacle.
  
  Funny you say that. When I received this popup I noticed that hovering the mouse over one option, also highlights the other. Not suspicious at all!

I went on a site the other day, and a massive popup appeared before I could do anything.
"We Respect Your Privacy"
1200+ "data partners".
Big blue "Accept" button.
Yeah, no you don't.
- "We value your privacy... At about $10,000"
  
  Oh no, more about $2
- Big brown 'Eat 💩' button
- They mean we respect your privacy because we were forced to and we whined and bitched about it the whole time.

Wait until the EU tells them (funny enough that their own lawyers didn't tell them?) that they are required to name each party specifically and together with the specific purpose of their data sharing.
- They probably do in "Manage preferences". Stuff you can give to an intern to accomplish has never been a deterrent.
  
  That's not what it's there for. It's not supposed to be a deterrent. The rule is there to be informative.
  Think about what would happen if one of their partners was the police or the government. That would give them some pretty deep access that you may not want them to have.
  
  They probably do in "Manage preferences".
  That's not sufficient. For asking any kind of consent, the complete & specific info must be given before. Like "I agree to things that you have (probably, hopefully :-)) written somewhere else" - that is no consent.
  And they have the burden of proof.

766 third parties
Facebook: look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power
- Facebook: "All third parties"
  
  "How many third parties?"
  "Yes."

Outlook also sends all your email, including those from other accounts, to their cloud. No questions asked. Oh, also your password, because why not?
https://cybernews.com/privacy/new-outlook-copies-user-emails-to-microsoft-cloud/
- Mails, passwords, calendars and contacts. Basically everything. Here's another blog article: https://mailbox.org/en/post/warning-new-outlook-sends-passwords-mails-and-other-data-to-microsoft
- Sending the entire email content to their cloud isn't that good.
  However an advantage to doing so is to be able to use push notifications on the app without having to poll continuously the email address from the device. Which in return reduces the battery usage compared to constant polling.
  However, they could have done something like spark mail, only get the email subject, sender and a little bit of the content to put into the noficiation then delete after the push notificdation has been sent.
  
  I’ll take a massive privacy breach for a bit more battery life any time. What could go wrong?
- Can't even turn autosave on for Word docs anymore without letting Microsoft save your shit to the cloud.
  
  The clouds are hungry for your digital flesh and bones
- See, Microsoft cares so much about you they'll even make a backup of all of your emails, completely for free, without you even having to ask. And here you are complaining...
- I hate with the intensity of a million suns that they always have this absolute fucking bullshit argument "For better experience".
  
  Or "for your security"
  
  Privacy aside, not having your email offline on your device is objectively a poorer experience.

Also, it's the language scam of the decade to have a [privacy] agreement or terms with a "third party" which is basically anonymous/anyone/indeterminate/changing/.

Literally who would knowingly accept that
- I've been a software developer for nearly 25 years now, and I can tell you this.
  No cunt reads anything.
  Something pops up over the top of what they want, they'll click OK.
  
  With dark patterns you can "guide" the user to click a particular button, for example by having "accept" in a large, bright stand out colored button, and the "reject" button in a low contrast, small or disabled looking button.
  This will not prevent people from clicking reject, but it shifts the percentage of people clicking accept vs reject in the websites favor.
  
  As the spouse of an inpatient person who doesn’t like tech, you’re completely correct.
  
  I am just a guy who knows shit about computers and family knows it.
  The amount of stuff I had to remove after people next next next'd an adware installation agreement during installing other stuff...
  
  Or they call tech support and say their computer doesn't work anymore
  
  Users not reading shit I can understand but it makes my blood boil when it your own bloody colleagues.
- Being as I'm forced to use outlook for work... At least it's just my work persona they are tracking and selling? That guy is wild.
  
  https://media.tenor.com/SQFmOCFd88gAAAAC/buttsmarnn.gif
  Dat work persona though
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- Me. I legitimately don't care and I haven't yet had anyone explain to me over the last few decades what the big bad is that should make me care. Oh noes, some companies are going to analyze my data to scam each other for marketing dollars with generally worthless statistical data.
  
  with generally worthless statistical data.
  "we kill people based on metadata"
  
  It's understandable that the consequences of digital privacy is so nebulous and conceptual that many people don't give much thought about it. But to put things into perspective, your data goes to data brokers. Anyone could buy your and others' data from them. There is a case of a female domestic abuse victim who escaped her partner. The partner tracked her down by buying her data from a broker. Insurance companies could also buy your data and discriminate you knowing what your pre-existing health condition is.
  Let that sink in because you never know when your data might be used for malicious purposes. Even if you don't think your personal information isn't going to be processed maliciously, you're inadvertently being part of the collective consent to erode the right to privacy (because in my experience, most people don't care about privacy). We know that if not enough people complain, the powers-that-be sees this as providing consent. You and others may not see privacy as a big deal, but what about those who will be affected by the lack of it?
  I think at some point, people will only complain more if their personal details are breached. And it might be too late at that stage. As we speak, there is potential of AI being trained and developed to use other people's likeness and data without their consent. Your childhood picture might be used for something else...

At least there's a "Reject all" button.
- God can you imagine.
  768 collapsed areas for each one. You have to expand that area and click the small slider with a 3 second UI freeze each time you do.
  Then at the end when you click apply, you get a spinning wheel with "Applying your choices" that seems like it has timed out.
  
  Of course I can imagine, I ve used windows for thirty years now.
  
  This is pretty much fandom
  
  But half of them have a web link to go to another website’s main page, in order to manually find the overall 3rd party opt out, which it may or may not remember on the next site you visit that uses it, but you can’t tell so you better do it again anyway next time.
  Even I get partway through and I wonder if I’m not getting too old for this internet shit. I guarantee most people are not bothering.

They'll write "you're welcome" on your bathroom mirror when they track that you're in the shower.

All MS software should be considered spyware.
It's just a shame that Outlook doesn't really have an alternative with the same level of functionality (not without spending a while adding on a bunch of add-ons anyway), and many workplaces (including mine) enforce use of Outlook and other MS software.
- Honestly don't mind when workplaces enforce X or Y. It's not like any of my personal stuff goes on the work equipment anyway, nor is work stuff going on my personal equipment.
  
  Fair enough. Unfortunately some bosses force staff to have Outlook and/or Teams on their personal phones as well. I hate it.
- Don’t worry there actively working on making outlook as functional as the alternatives.
  The “new version” appears like the browser version in a wrapper. So many features are just missing, like pinning a shared mailbox to your favorites.
  
  The bullshit of hiding access to previously available features (i.e. editing distribution lists in the client version), to force migration is just evil, IMO.
  
  they're
  
  Learn basic grammar
- How's Thunderbird nowadays?
  
  They just had their first major overhaul in the last decade+ and are looking pretty shiny:
  https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/07/our-fastest-most-beautiful-release-ever-thunderbird-115-supernova-is-here/
  Personally I haven't had a chance to check it out because I just use my browser for personal email & my work mail is hosted through Microsoft so there's no pretending not using Outlook at work does anything for me.
  That said, I am eagerly waiting for them to give the same treatment to the soon-to-be merged Thunderbird & K9 mail so I can use that for my personal mail on my phone
  
  I've been using Thunderbird for a good decade or more, and honestly it's got the best email filtering rules builder of any email client I've used. The spam detection has only gotten better at detecting junk spoofed emails over time, it also always displays the email address as well as the name so it's easy to spot when something funky might be happening and the recent UI tweaks they've been making are very well thought out. Oh and they added an option to export/backup your profile to a compressed archive so I no longer have to copy the same .thunderbird folder from computer to computer and every time I install a new Linux distro
  
  The newest release is visually awful. It drove me crazy and I had to downgrade back to the last stable (102). The content density was wildly inconsistent and text would be squished in one area and really spaced out in another. The toolbar moved so action buttons were in the title bar area, away from where your mouse would be (compared to before) if you're interacting with your inbox.
  Other than that, the old version works just fine. Multiple email accounts, calendar and contacts. It does the job. Minor nitpicks, like dark mode doesn't dark evwrything, you still have to manually change your reading window colours. But at least it's once and done.
  
  Good as always for me. The only issue is syncing contacts and calenders with MS-Exchange Servers, for that you need plugins and I haven't really found a good combination, but I don't know if my workplace is at fault too.
  
  Fantastic! I just wish they would get the Android version released sooner. Although FairEmail is awesome too!
  
  I switched from outlook when MS announced the new plan for outlook and honestly it's been great.
- If workspaces want to facilitate industrial espionage, who am I to complain!?

lol, glad i switched from outlook to protonmail
- How did you switch? What about existing email senders like your bank, etc? Are you forwarding your mails?
  
  In general, you just tell them to use your new address, change your online accounts, etc. and for the transition phase, you either forward or, like I did, just have both accounts in your mail app until you’ve reached everyone who needs the new address
  
  You can change your email on websites, and you can keep your outlook account while you're doing it.
- I've heard that you can't easily search your entire email history with Proton mail. Have you found this to be an issue?
  
  Coming from Gmail the proton search is a lot worse. Not unmanageable, but by far not as good.
  
  It's clunky. Filters and tags make some of that easier, but it's definitely still hard to find stuff.
  
  Agreed. Like anything else though, I guess we choose between privacy and ease of use these days.

- Cooperate uses what ever other cooperate uses

Thats gross. Just no. Use thunderbird or some other FOSS email client, at least outlook is somewhat limited with its spyware BS when you get mail through IMAP
Im tired of telling windows people something they already know. Its your choice to use a completely corporate cucked operating system for your personal computing, you don't get to clutch pearls and act suprised over it being complete spyware, or whenever microsoft decides it wants to erode your user experience just a little bit more because they can.
- I tried using thunderbird for work MS email, but TB seem to be in the blacklist of my company (a professional school btw).
  It popped me to ask for one time permission from the administrators and I did. They answered me 'TB is not YET trustable by them'. The incident is still 'in progress' after 10 months.
  Then I found Ao. Pure gold.
  
  Wouldn't that be Au? 🤣
  But seriously, what is Ao ? I search but get AOL results only.
  
  I mainly use FairMail on my phone. It's got features that attempt to remove tracking from received emails, including blocking suspected tracking images from loading.

Fun fact! If you have outlook on your phone with a work account added, chances are IT has admin access to your phone and can remotely wipe it at any time. Also means that your phone can be collected as evidence if you or the company is involved in a court case possibly related to emails
- Ok I've tested this with some users that definitely do have their work emails on their private phones and I can't see what this setting is. Are you sure about this, it seems super dodgy?
  
  Modern way of doing it is via intune: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/remote-actions/devices-wipe
  You can force registration of the device before they can access the environment, and you can enforce all sorts of things.
- Just put your work apps in your Work profile.
  That's exactly why Android has this function, so they can only remotely access/wipe that profile. Everything in that profile is kept segregated from the rest of the system.
- My school required this. They forced me to grant the Outlook app admin access to my phone in order to be able to add my school email in the app.
  
  To reset a password for work. Apparently eHub doesnt work on Firefox, it has to be edge or chrome. Called the Help Center and they asked if I was using chrome and I said no Firefox. "You don't uh...have anything like chrome on your phone?" "no, I might be able to access a work computer with chrome but I'm not putting a chromium browser on my device" (it's there because android, but all its permissions are cut off)
  She just had to sit on hold while I logged on on a work computer to reset everything where if they just fucking made a webpage to work on Firefox we could have not had the conversation in the first place.

It's a wonder how Outlook and Exchange Server are used by most companies, many of which have sensitive confidential and proprietary data. Choosing Microsoft is all about having someone to blame for your security problems, not achieving secure communications and storage.
- Legal agreements protect how Microsoft can use business's data.

766 = 365 * 2 + 36
- Is this the new Metric to Imperial Windows conversion?

That then is one third party, one fourth party, one fifth party, …, and one 768th party, amirite?

Oh well as long as it's their legitimate interest, then by all means!
- Admiral Ads: We value your privacy
  Me: Reject All
  Admiral Ads: Some parties cannot be rejected due to LeGiTiMaTe InTeReStS
  Me: my legitimate interests are PiHole and uBO then 🙃
  
  FYI, tracking based on legitimate interest can be rejected, it just isn't by default. If you click on "reject all" both tracking based on consent and tracking based on legitimate interests are rejected (at least if Microsoft wants to be in compliance with EU rules on tracking).
  The only trackers that can be used even if you click on "reject all" are those that are used exclusively for technical purposes and some very light analytics
- In their defence, that is the correct term for this kind of data processing. Legitimate Interest
  
  Good link, thank you.
  Still-- Given that "marketing" is an example of a valid legitimate interest, Ima give that a no thanks.

Jeez, if I'm that popular, why aren't all those 766 members of my fanclub following me on Instagram?

It really does shock me, even though it should not at this point, that nearly all governments, even more progressive ones in terms of privacy, are absolutely just watching from the sidelines as the fabric of their own society is deteriorating. Bravo leaders. Bravo. /s

Wait, is this real? o_O

!mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
- Mildly?

Nope, the extreme battery saver greys out all disabled apps and leaves others alone. Calling is colored, messaging... and outlook.

Why not 767?

Source: https://godforsaken.website/@Shrigglepuss/111482466182637440

I heard it's up to 769 now.

Outlook sucks, the android app is marked as an essential/core app, meaning even in super battery saver it's running in the background eating away a shitton of battery when you really don't want it to do that.
- it's running in the background eating away a shitton of battery
  Really? Mine is never more than about 0.5% background.
- Nah, it generally works well in that regard and otherwise. Perhaps you have a specific issue or some other app consuming your battery.

Your own fault, sorry. It's common knowledge these days that you shouldn't use microsoft products.

I mean, do you not see the "Reject all" button?
- Yes but forwarding data to 700+ third parties is not what I would see as "privacy valuing"
  Even if you can disable it...