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The whole setting is cope and seethe by commies about how based globalism is.
You can't talk to a person like this, what can you possibly say to someone who goes "I love bombing a country into perpetual poverty and exploitation where children listen to snuff radio and do drugs, thats so based" except
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They've rationalized it in a "My enemies got mad and lost their temper therefore I am vindicated" kind of way.
The fact that the game mocks their beliefs merely reinforces the enlightened status of those beliefs.
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That is a particularly annoying debate brained
. Yes I will get angry at you for saying fascist things even if you say them politely. moment.
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One of my favorite exchanges in the game is when you can identify yourself as an ultraliberal to Evrart. He simply doesn't entertain the idea. He finds the concept so stupid he just insults you and moves on.
"You're not an ultraliberal Harry. Get the fuck out of here."
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They keep mentioning how Joyce and Kim are helpful to the player as representatives of liberalism, but Evrart and Measurehead are antagonists as representatives of socialism and fascism. And they're saying the devs accidentally made liberals seem more agreeable this way.
Yeah no shit the liberals are more polite to Harry, he's a cop. Evrart is trying to impede the investigation? No shit, Evrart is organizing a strike and you're some dumbass cop working with a lady who's on the board of directors of the company he's striking against.
And they're saying the devs screwed up by showing communists as murderers or ineffective? That's the point, that building communism is hard, mistakes are made, and Harry's bias as a dumbass alcoholic cop is going to color his perception of the world. I hate these libs so much. I thought liberals were supposed to be media savvy but they completely miss the point
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This is on the devs for making the communism vision quest not mandatory, but the game literally has a character turn to the screen and monologue about how Communism is the only ideology that promises a better world is possible for each and every human being and that struggling for it is worth it even if you fail or are killed.
Meanwhile the fascism quest is all about how cope is destroying your life and ability to relate to other human beings, the moralism side quest has you fuck around with dumb bullshit that doesnt matter and almost gets you kidnapped by the state, and ultraliberalism is memes.
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The whole setting is cope and seethe by commies about how based globalism is.
Imagine reading The Jakarta Method and come away with thinking it’s about how based
SukarnoSuharto and the CIA are.-
its Suharto, Sukarno was the guy that got couped
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who mixes their names up.
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A fascist is just a liberal who understands how the sausage is made.
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i like how they think the moralists or ultralibs or w/e faction they think they are is the best choice
the world around the player is in utter decay as a result of said factions
cant make this shit up lmao
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the world around the player is in utter decay as a result of said factions
Gestures wildly at the real world and
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Someone with some insight might take away something from the fact that their preferred ideologies are both absent and omnipresent from the actual characters of the game.
The prime rep for ultraliberalism is a cynical billionaire whos company has just sent in a fascist death squad to resolve a labor strike, and anyone else who might be described as an "ultraliberal" in the game are literally on the shit tier of society either grifting for scraps or just completely delusional.
And moralisms prime rep is a literal occupying warship, followed by a bureaucrat who bullshits you about the economy while secretly engaging in sexual relationships with someone living in a filthy decaying slum, and finally Kim who deliberately refuses to engage in any serious politics and therefore doesnt really count.
Edit: Just remembered Trant, whos technically listed as a moralist on the wiki I guess but whos also an apolitical coward more than anything, and a crypto-social democrat.
The actual people of Martinaise are neither ultraliberals nor moralists, makes you think huh?
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The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
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Wow cool airships!
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"See? Moralism is BASED!"
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That thing you're told happens 2 decades after the game ends... How are you told that? Do you have to sit through all the credits to see it? I played through, got a little bit of dialogue at the very end from shivers and esprit du corps indicating that something is going to happen next, and then painfully long unstoppable credits. Tried to wait the credits out but it got to be too much so I ended up alt+F4ing and started a new run to try a different build.
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Dolores Dei best girl
r/neoliberal praising war criminals. Sounds right.
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the mass murders are highly contested by contemporary scholars
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They're even saying how cool it is she's worshipped as a deity? The fuck
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Worse, isn't it heavily implied that she's some manner of inhuman abomination who ::: spoiler spoiler has the ability to pull information from the future via the Pale? And that by doing so she and others like her contribute to a potential entroponetic apocalypse caused by repeated time paradoxes? :::
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evergreen
Cw:ableist jokes
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Globalism
I'm torn on whether this person has a vibes-based vocabulary or is dogwhistling
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I think its just "oh u mad?" type vibes, the bad people talk about globalism therefore globalism is based now.
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This is bringing out something that occurred to me the second time I played the game and met Joyce. She really is the liberal of the game.
When you meet Joyce early on, she is, at that stage of the game, one of the most directly helpful NPCs. She talks to you respectfully instead of (rightfully) calling you a pig, she makes jokes with you, she's even willing to discuss reality with you, and some of her most likeable lines come out during that little philosophy talk. She's got an education, and she clearly likes a deep conversation. She even shows that she has a little perspective on her position in the world, and she has some sympathy for the failed revolution and for the conditions that necessitated it. Wow what an intelligent and reasonable mature woman she is!
Try and ask her for money, though?
NOPE
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And also shes a board member of the company that hired a fascist death squad that has literally literally no experience outside of committing gruesome sexual and physical cruelties on colonized peoples, to "deal with" a workers strike.
She's very sneaky about her responsibility and involvement in that stuff, its easy to overlook while she makes jokes about being a great wyrm upon a hoard of the worlds wealth or something, what that actually involves.
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Right, it's why introducing her early is so effective. Like most people, Harry wakes into a world order established by people like her, and if you literally only take her and the world at face value, she just seems like a proper lady, when she is actually a key player in the horror of it all
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She will give you money if it's a small amount. Although what I got from that exchange is she interprets it as a bribe.
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Yeah and doing so involves almost turning yourself inside-out, but damn I do enjoy going all caps and saying GIVE ME MONEY NOW
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Try and ask her for money, though?
First play though I screamed at her to give me a million billion réal and she eventually relented and gave me a hundred. Didn't die in a dumpster.
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Literally a skill issue
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Lmao, in an entirely on brand move, they're completely ignoring ::: spoiler spoiler the Pale :::
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That entire post is full of gems.
On Stellaris:
On Fallout 4:
On Victoria 3:
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Yeah, in the late game you basically need Council Republic because the Investment Pool contributions get artificially nerfed the larger your GDP gets. And nerfed in such a way that the capitalists money just disappears into the void it doesn't recirculate. So you want to have as few capitalists as possible then. Capitalism so good it suffers from it's own success.
The problem with capitalism is that it makes the investment class too rich. This shows that capitalism is actually an extremely good system with no flaws.
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the capitalists money just disappears into the void it doesn't recirculate.
The void is called their fucking bank accounts
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Wrong. It’s actually an anonymous Caribbean or Delaware LLC owned by 5 different shell companies.
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"Help they accurately modelled the crisis of overproduction in my political economy strategy game!
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I always play this game as a neoliberal. It has an extra challenge to try to make the galaxy a peaceful, cooperative, populous and diverse place compared to just easily genociding everyone
Ah yes, "everything will be incredibly good as long as the
white man's burden succeedsworld is made to follow the same ideology as us".And if this person believes in Khrushcev style peaceful coexistence? Lol, lmao. They follow a worldview whose goals are incompatible with the goals of the ruling class they support.
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lol that sub continues to be an unwitting self-parody
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The first couple times I stumbled upon there I legitimately thought it was a parody
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Why would you subject yourself to Reddit
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I'm kind of hooked on causing myself suffering by going on neolib subreddits and watching the clown show continue.
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I hadn't been on there in awhile. I just decided to check my city's sub, the top post is a picture of an unhoused person sitting next to what I recognize as the wall of a giant empty warehouse and the top comment was calling for bringing back forced institutionalization. I will not be going back any time soon.
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this isn't just
, this is r/neoliberal, probably one of the top 10 worst hellhole subs on that godforsaken site. Honestly it reminds me of a vsauce vid where they put people in a room with a button that would shock them if they pressed it, and as they got bored they would inevitibably do so because pain is better than boredom apparently. That's the only reason I could see to go into r/neoliberal, pure, unadulterated pain, instead of boredom
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>it's r/neoliberal again-
We don't need r/neoliberal, I am already promoting center-left values by listening to the Adam Friedland Show
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What was up with the Innocents in the game? (Like Dolores Dei.)
I get the idea that their importance was inflated but does the game actually talk about them in detail? I found the bit in the church where you can learn about their history after looking at the glass portrait but I never got anything that cuts through the facade so to speak.
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I don't think the game goes into it particularly much but the Innocents can essentially see the future and then implement the shit they see there, like a global reserve currency or interisolary travel
This makes the Pale grow faster and it's implied that Harry is a Magpie, someone who's not as powerful as an Innocent but can still see things in the Pale that show him glimpses of the future (like Revachol getting nuked)
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This is just a personal interpretation but I think of them as just regular people who are painted as idealism for the era of history they represent. In Dolores Rei's case, there is a lot of heart warming, loving, and empathetic wording involved with how she makes people feel. Even Mr. DuBois sees Dolores Dei as this ultimately heart warming figure that immediately has him bring out feelings for his ex but we learn why that is such a delusion (in the case of his ex). Our encounter with the Dolores Dei in her church invokes these sort of idyllic feelings. The church is also completely dilapidated and falling apart.
From what I gathered, Dolores Dei is intentionally depicted as shining and radiant because if she were to no longer have that light, the truth around you is exposed by said lack of light. Every single feeling that she makes people feel are ultimately as weak as a ray of light that you can move your hand through. It's just as easy for said light to re-emerge.
If you look at her depiction, on the glass, she is showing her usual rays of shining hope while a small figurine is held between her fingers, a soldier figurine, to be exact. I see this not as a bait-and-switch interpretation but more of how idealism can blind anyone and anything to the ugliness of the world.
Her own bodyguard killed her for seeming "un-human". It's also implied that she may have carried out several military operations during her period of history.
Deification of our ideal history, not our real history.
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The main takeaway I got from them was sorta just as a satire on liberal idolatry of imperialist figures and nigh deification of them.
But I didnt really get a sense of if it was satire insofar as in universe they are bullshit, or if the satire is they are actually godlike unlike in real life. I would imagine that would be a topic for future stories if they ever get written.
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The Innocences seem to be the catalysts for switching to new forms of production - instead of Slavery -> Feudalism -> Mercantilism -> Capitalism, you instead have eras embodied by a figure that introduces a new form of production then disseminates it both by religion and at the point of a sword.
They seem to be simultaneously the outcome of a self-interested political system and also genuine prophets with mystical abilities. There's a sort of scale where people can have innocent-like abilities (this is made explicit in the question about Pasternak in the Greatest Innocence), with two very good candidates for potential Innocence's in the story being Raphael and Egghead, but it's still fundamentally the guys at the top who pick who gets to be one. The implication with Sohla being unwilling (or possibly unable) to change anything, despite revolution being an Innocence's job, seems to indicate that capitalism is now no longer able to reform itself, instead choking off any avenue of advance (her ascension coincided with the Centennial revolution).
Edit: Also, as opposed to the rest, Dolores Dei may be an actual time-travelling robot. Her mystical abilities (glowing center, golden filaments, becoming incredibly hot) are very similar to how radiocomputers seem to work.
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Me, listening to the Sunday Friend: "yo this MF spittin"
"The Coalition believes in the importance of informing the public about the benefits of ze price stabilité. Transparency is one of our principles. Would you like an informational pamphlet?"
Me: Ahh yes, price stability.*
(Does not get it at all.)*
it's incredible. they're almost self aware
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Finally found Paul Krugman's target audience for this tweet
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I've seen the Civ games described here as liberalism: the game so the OP is right but for the wrong reasons lol
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The "civilopedia" descriptions in those games are like if wikipedia decided they didn't have enough liberal bias in their articles.
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more like whig the game (i'll keep playing that slop)
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Even if you never manage to find the Archer, the game beats you over the head with the idea that the Moralintern not only stands for nothing, but is willing to resort to insidious tactics to stand up for that nothing. And even if you manage to never pick up on those hints, the few representatives of the Moralintern that you're able to meet and speak with are parodies of your average dull-minded pro-austerity EU bureaucrats. I mean really, imagine declaring your full throated support for a parody of Mario Draghi, that the game openly mocks you for supporting
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you (and anyone else who does it) should be perma banned for linking a reddit thread from r/neoliberal. Worse than linking r/conservative really.
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This is what happens when the World Bank discourages the Cuban literacy program around the world and instead promoted capitalist NGO “literacy programs”
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To answer the question posed in the
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The correct answer to their original question is definitely Sim City. Claims to be an impartial reflection of innate natural truth, while imposing a bizarre worldview straddling the line between technocracy and libertarianism within a context of a universalized of post-war American car dependence, all while desperately suppressing the role of factors like class and race.
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The entire game is set in a Moralist-controlled deindustrialised slum area where drug abuse is rampant, and almost everyone lives in abject poverty.
The creative team are all Estonian leftists/Marxists who lived through the 1990s. It’s clearly what they draw on - the absolute devastation of global capitalism.
No, you don’t understand! That’s the fault of those union thugs!!
but have you dumb commies considered that the price stabilitié is fantastic now? Didn't think so. Maybe if you actually attended an EPIS meeting you'd understand why you can't just fix problems and improve your local living conditions.
(Note: I don't understand either but I am paid to to pretend)
Also the large building that used to be full of thriving small businesses is destitute and nearly abandoned except the one dice maker lady. You can literally pick through the remains of the failure of capitalism that has left only a husk of itself behind.
And yeah, nearly every NPC in the game is living in poverty, is angry all the time, or has resigned themselves to quietly suffering