I use Arch btw

Not sure about this meme. It seems dated. Since they added a walk through installed it's just as easy as Debian.

I have endeavour os. Arch btw.

I've installed arch several times from scratch. Now if I need to I use archinstall. No shame

I've been using arch since archinstall came out. I never installed it reading the wiki.

I sleep like a baby and everything works.

People copy and pasting from the wiki or gpt "pathetic"

People copying gpt commands into terminal is bound to be fked by the troll commands, right? Please.
Now I kind of want to see just how broken my install gets if I just have ChatGPT guide me through the whole installation.
- It gets real messy, lol. I tried to have GPT guide me through figuring out a Node and nvm error in my Arch WSL and it made nightmare spaghetti out of my npm prefix.
  It eventually got stuck in a loop of trying to make me do the same two things over and over again and expected different results each time.

hardmode: I did a fresh install on a HDD that is on verge of being dead. Every-time this thing boots it's a miracle. Somehow dd blanking the disk, plenty of smartctl offline disk surface scans and finally putting btrfs with data in DUP profile resurrected the HDD. I have run btrfs scrub daily or else the os install may bitrot and well.. expire. :D

Edit: Todays catch, I was too late and now I have fix 3 files:

    
Error summary:    read=112
  Corrected:      109
  Uncorrectable:  3
  Unverified:     0

I installed Arch exactly once by hand. Since then I just copy the install with dd from one medium to the next.

I once installed Gentoo from scratch.
I then didn't use Linux for about 15 years, so take from that what you will.
- We all carry trauma in our lives
- When you've already reached the peak, why keep climbing?

Installing Arch manually is not hard, and there are plenty of step-by-step guides.

Figuring out what you need next and then managing this mess is more complicated.

Source: I installed Arch manually btw

Years ago I installed it manually, too. For learning, yes. But regularly, no. The archinstall package is easy but a newbie would struggle there, too. It's just a faster way for skilled Linux Users.
- Newbie Linux users shouldn't go with Arch to begin with, even Endeavour or Garuda, unless they're seeing it as a learning experience and have an IT background behind their back.
  It's not worth it for the average user, and honestly - even for most veteran users for that matter.
  The great power of Arch comes with great responsibility to manage your system properly.
Noted use Archinstall for sanity
- Super valid!
  My point is: there's little to brag about. But hey, I got that badge anyway.

Artix:

any arch based distro:
(and most linux distros in general)

What is this magic? You are telling me that a single command would have spared me an entire day of suffering?

I've installed Arch manually exactly once. (Just for the bragging rights, lol)

My go to way is just installing EndeavourOS. It's basically Arch, but with a nicer installer and reasonable defaults.

I did it once, wrote down all the commands I used in order and then made my own install script. It was a great learning experience
- i did that once... watched a video of some guy installing it, wrote down every single command, did it myself, it worked! then the clock system broke and i tried to fix it, couldn't do it because dumb, and reinstalled it. exact same commands as before, but it didn't work, no clue why
  then i did the same with some other youtube video, until i just decided to use an arch based distro with an installer
  now i just see people talking about archinstall and i'm like... i could've done it with one command? why did nobody tell me?!?!? or did i just ignore everyone who told me? am i stupid?!?!?
I got to where it expected me to partition the drive manually and noped out. I was doing that in the 90's when I compiled my own kernel. Ain't nobody got time for that today.
I use Endeavour, btw. Nah, I don't think it'll catch one.
I'm super stoked to be on an Arch-based system, but things have been so easy I have earned no bragging rights what-so-ever with it.
- Go ahead, install Arch on a VM (it's not hard at all, actually!) and get your medal.
  Then keep with Endeavour and enjoy your ride :D
- Btw, I'm on an arch endeavour

Oh, you use pacstrap and arch-chroot, do you? Back in my day all we had was cp and install and we liked it that way! Kids these days wouldn't know how to install SLS without their Yays and Pac-men.

Imagine installing Arch without having to bindmount dev, proc and sys smh my head
This is "I use arch, btw" - Beast-Mode
PS. There was always the normal chroot, or not?
- chroot was introduced in 1979 for Unix. arch-chroot is a wrapper around chroot that provides additional functionality and a tighter integration between the system and the new root.

Gentoo stage 3 here.

They discouraged earlier stages in the wiki :(

I'm sorry, sir, but the tests indicate you have Stage 3 Gentoo.
- and from what we've gathered about your case, it's terminal
- Oof. What's the prognosis?
- I wish I could hug you.
  Bravo.
Install Gentoo.

And now you're lost

I use arch btw, have been for 5 or so years, I open the gates to those who want to use arch install

You are not any lesser for not wanting to install arch manually

If this was accurate, the ropes would have snapped and Homer would go hurddling to the base of the mountain.

That's what pacman -Syyu is for. The occasional life support failure and forced bug hunting is part of the experience.
- command 'pacman' not found
  aggressively re-pacstraps

Installing arch without archinstall is way too much fucking work. I'd much rather spend time fixing the 10% greater likelihood of encountering issues post install than doing all that fucking bullshit manually. The command line is better for a lot of things but configuring partitions and mount points is not one of them. I demand a fuckin gui for that stuff.

I’ve done it both by the book and arch install. Arch install is just nice.
This is why arches based distos are taking off. They help with picking packages etc to save time.
That's why I went with EndeavourOS - nice installer, some changes and tweaks to the default settings, but after that it uses the arch repositories and there's no difference to arch anymore afaik.
The rationale in the OP is that with archinstall, an inexperienced user will have no idea where to even begin diagnosing any issues post install. Whereas installing manually is sort of a barrier to entry that ensures you know what you're doing.
- It’s been a while since I installed arch manually, but wouldn’t that only help you understand a bit on disk partitioning and some basic commands like copying files/chrooting? You generally learn that stuff the first time your install breaks on any distro
- That's a stupid reason to make an installation as painful as possible. I can follow the installation wiki but I just don't have time for this. And an inexperienced user can follow the wiki or another how-to and finish the installation but still be lost if something breaks later on.

I did it the manual way probably about 10 times on my Linux learning journey, it was a really good way to learn how Linux itself worked. Now I just use archinstall every time.

I've done it, I've gotten the satisfaction from it, but it's not gonna add any more inches to my e-peen.

thats fine and thats the exact usecase for arch install. This meme is for people who never install it once manually and use archinstall to get a working configured system.

"We need more people to use linux, look at what MS is doing to people."

People who have never used linux trying to use and learn linux by using an installer built by awesome members of the Arch team.

"C'mon do you even linux?"

Wht does it even matter if you don't install Arch manually? Is the whole point of the arch installing? I don't think so, it's using. If you don't find anything joyful in manually installing arch it's perfectly fine to manually install only once to make sure you know how it works. And just use archinstall in every following installation that's not shamefu

No! Heathen! Download the source for every package and compile it yourself! Compile the kernel yourself, compile the compiler yourself! Never script anything, always do every step manually, every time! Using tools that make things convenient and foolproof makes you weak and unappreciative of the real hardship and struggle it requires to checks notes use a personal computer!
- Lame. Write your own source or you aren't allowed in linux.
- I'll never understand why more people don't build their own distros to suit their needs.
- Jajja I once tried to install Ungoogled Chromium from AUR, which is done by compiling from source, it took me 4 hours :< I couldn't imagine compiling everything manually that's totally insane
Archinstall is a part of arch so they say they use arch btw that's sensible to be
cause you can then say "I installed arch manually, btw"
- The "btw" is insincere if they didn't do it manually, they should be prohibited from using it.
  Arch's tag to neatly summarise the aloof snobbery must be preserved. If archintall script users can say it; how long until "I use manjaro btw", or "i use endeavouros btw". At which point it just has no value - I don't believe these people are genuinely considering themselves superior to other users - as reflected in several other comments here.
  Archinstall script should be modified to install a keylogger that will bork the system if ever "arch btw" is detected.

People here are always talking about different distros, trying this one and then that one until they found what they like. Are you guys really just reinstalling your OS that often? Reinstalling all the programs you want and everything?

I've gone fedora gnome, fedora kde, mint and now am on endeavour gnome. It's not windows, installing a new distro is painless and I keep my settings in a separate drive.
it's called "distrohopping", and yes. nowadays it's easier to do it in a vm, but less fun
I'm not. Mint is all I need, Mint is all I want.
These comments really make me wonder if people would just get therapy instead of installing Arch if therapy was cheaper.
I did for a few years, finally think I'm settled on arch for desktop, but for servers, hurry is still out
Yes. About once every 2-3 months. It’s something of a hobby.
Why not? It takes a few hours at most, and I get a new interesting experience.
It is amazing if you've settled on your distribution of choice, though.
When I started out, I used to change distros like socks lol While you do have to reinstall programs, having a separate /home partition means that you can keep your stuff between changes

Honestly, I had wayyyy more issues when using archinstall than just installing it normally by the wiki. I might just be stupid though :P

I gave up and used endeavouros instead.
Installed manually first then later using archinstall. I came across an issue that wouldn't format a partition. Saw the issue on github too. So had to format manually and continue.

I followed the wiki and pulled off a successful install..... On a vm. Once I felt confident and ready I remembered arch install was a thing and thought "sure I'll try it, it'll definetly break and I'll just use the wiki to install" then it worked without a hitch. I'm still running arch with no issues.

The one time I tried to manually install arch on a VM years and years ago it didn't work and I wrote Arch off. Guess what I'm running now? Well, Cachy, but lol. It's Arch. And guess what? It's got a simplified install process.
- Very easy nowadays, even manually with all the guides, so you can cross that one off quite easily.
  Arch Wiki is great, but it's mostly oriented on people who already know something. And installation page should be very clearly written for absolute noobs.

Archinstall made my root partition 25 GiBs the first time I ever messed around on arch. That was fun when it filled up.

Learning to properly configure pre existing drives with archinstall was an adventure on its own.
- Its honestly just better to set it up yourself if you want to learn lol but archinstall is cool as an option.
yep, me too. At least I had 50GB but man, I was frustrated when I found out...
Why have set partitions. Just use LVM or BTRFS volumes...

Went with EndeavourOS instead so at least I have more than an ice cubes chance in hell of not borking my install

Cause following the arch wiki is sooooooo much of an efort

Actually, yes. In many, many aspects Arch wiki requires a lot of prerequisite knowledge. Otherwise, you'll be better off following online guides.
I found the effort was in researching and choosing which components to use, rather than actually installing once chosen. It’s easy if you know exactly what you’re gonna install, but on that first build it definitely takes effort if you want to read into all the options and make educated choices

Installing Arch 'the proper way' is a pilgrimage all Linux users should take. After that, they can fly with EndeavourOS at their convenience.

I'll confess my first Arch installation was with the script, but in the end I reinstalled manually just to test myself and to have hibernation enabled. Still a noob but I can only go up from here.

I installed arch without it and it was a fucking struggle. Didn't know it existed til after. Like actually hours after

Falls off a cliff and has no snapper enabled so the system is broken

“Lazy sherpas.”