Trump announces that the USA has bombed Iranian nuclear sites.

NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!

Irony truly is dead.

- He ends a bunch of his tweets that way, he's very strange.
- He's read a few work-emails recently (by accident, naturally) and some of their jargon seems to have stuck with him.
It wasn't before already?

There's always a tweet:

Getting these vibes

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Wanna take a trip to the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum and liberate this banner for the memes?

Congress?? Hello?

They're too busy changing their pants after their wishes finally came true
- “So we still get paid and we don’t have to do anything? That’s amazing! Haha, but why do I have to face the wall for this part?”
- Nah, they're all on the phone with their stockbrokers.
- It's weird to laugh in a time like this. Thank you, I guess.
In 2001 when The US authorized use of force on Al-Qaeda that, along with The 1973 war powers resolution gave the president (as in the position of president, not just Bush) unlimited ability to bomb anyone loosely associated with Al-Qaeda in perpetuity.
It's what allowed Bush, then Obama, then Trump, and then Biden, and now Trump again, to use the military as they see fit for performing military operations against basically any state and group in the middle east.
https://pressgallery.house.gov/member-data/party-breakdown
220 Republicans
212 Democrats
Congress has been increasingly abdicating more of its powers for several administrations now

It's not a meme, it's real

Why would I fight? I'll just dodge the draft and fasttrack my presidential campaign.
My platform is ABWA: America Becomes West Again. Everyone does horses, cowboy hats, and guns again. You wanna travel further than 3 towns over? Train.
- Please also make it wild as well, I really liked west world and that animation where Johnny depp is a chameleon in case you want some examples of what I'd vote for.
The photo should just be an Israeli flag.

A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site...NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!

How the F*** can anyone use these two lines in a single paragraph. Absurdity here is comical

War is Peace. Freedom is slavery.
And now for your Five Minute Hate.
- Subjugation is liberation? Contradiction is truth?
A perfect presentation of American thinking.
" we bomb you to have peace with you"
That line sounds like it was written directly by Netanyahu himself.
- That's because they are the same genocidal, colonialist state.
"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
Comical is... A word. I'm not even a smoker, but I feel like a cigarette and some liqueur.
I'm so fucking tired...
We come in peace
^{*shoot to kill*}
He really wants that Nobel Prize Obama got for waging 13 wars so he have to up the game.
GWAR has entered the chat.

We killed a bunch of people but now I want peace....

I punched you but please don't hit me back or I'll cry.

Soy Right, at it again

Just saw this earlier.

This was new to me, but confirmed true by Snopes

May the US Empire crumble to dust, its only vestiges a dark stain on human existence for future historians to look on with disgust.

Inshallah
I don't wanna jinx it, but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis
- It would be hilarious if Trump's, Israel's and Iran's actions end up triggering significant climate action out of the sheer cost of continuing to burn oil. The last fuel crisis in the 70s actually caused significant amounts of research into alternatives and some interesting electric vehicles were actually released during that time
Hate to be that guy but -> "Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050" is being tossed around. And going by the past absolute fuckery of prediction skills, that means we got at best till 2040.. No history or historians, just slow climate death and extinction for all.
- Doubt it. Climate change is already happening, but we can mitigate its effects the earlier we tackle it. Plus, no idea who is floating the collapse idea around.
- "Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050" is being tossed around
  By whom?
  Idiots toss around a lot of stuff.

Please tell me none of these bombs were nukes...

Fucking amazing.

PNAC gets its way in the end, despite at least 40% of Trump's rise to political prominence being due to him being one of the few Republicans to criticize... you know, all the pointless meddling and wars in the ME.

... And Trump is almost single handedly responsible for all of this.

He tore up the nuke deal Obama made. He massively mismanaged every element of the Israeli/Palestine situation. Fucking stepson Kushner's gonna figure it out, don't worry.

Oh yeah lets piss off everyone and move the embassy to Jerusalem.

Beyond contemptible.

The man is a demon.

Kefka?

Is Trump Kefka, or is that an insult to Kefka?

Fucking childish demon clown that just wants to blow up the whole world so he can feel special.

Trump is not single handedly responsible for jack shit. Get the fick outta here with this great man theory nonsense. Almost every single democrat has been in lock step supporting this shit.
- Hear hear. Great man theory is absurd. If Kamala was at the helm I guarantee it wouldn't be any different, only libs wouldn't protest because slay kween we came we saw he died
  It is the superstructure, it is the machine of capitalism that needs to feed. Watch oil futures on Monday and remind me who is the greatest producer of crude and LNG today?
- There's a reason I said almost singlehandedly.
  Would you prefer 'played a pivotal role'?
  Yes, a lot of Democrats went along with the revocation of the agreement, and then failed to get a new agreement in place during the Biden admin, after Trump and the Reps also failed to get a new deal in Trump's first term, despite that being one of Trump's campaign promises.
  But Trump, as the head of state, signed an executive memorandum that cancelled it.
  Which is a thing that a US President can actually do unilaterally, whereas drafting or accepting a new deal, an international treaty, has to go through Congress.
  Its... kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.
  https://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/presidential-power-to-terminate-international-agreements
  Could/Should the Dems have reformed this, threw a massive shit fit about this?
  Absolutely yes.
  But in this particular instance... the whole scenario really actually does hinge on the President being singly able to do something extreme, with no real, effective, balanced check on that power.
  I do not need to invoke or subscribe to Great Man Theory to point all this out.
  Trump is a symptom of many greater, unchecked sicknesses and decay and corruption in American politics and society... he is simply the fraudulent idiot man-child r*pist that the masses of frustrated, hateful, intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots projected their yearning for spite and revenge onto, and empowered.
- I love your solution-oriented mindset, but just feel the need to clarify one point. This is what the US has always stood for, it's always been a wretched hell-empire run by rich ghouls willing to drown the world in blood. Those of us who want to get along and not kill everybody, we're the traitors, just factually speaking. And that's a good thing
They were not.
- Hitting nuclear facilities with conventional weapons is just dirty bombs with extra steps. These attacks are a number of international high crimes, including the nonproliferation treaty.
- Well, at least for once, something could actually be worse.
  But of course tomorrow will happen so then that metric gets reset.
Trump II has felt like W Bush III this problem is bigger than him.
It's the perfect crime. They bombed nuclear sites, which means there are going to be radiation spikes regardless of what kind of bombs they dropped, which means they could drop small nukes and probably get away with it.
- That's not how it works. You can tell the difference between radiation from a nuclear weapon and a conventional bomb used on radioactive materials. If they used nukes they won't be able to cover it up for very long.
- Iran claim no radiation leak or contamination because they moved the uranium before the strikes and nothing was stored there
- See this is exactly what I am worried about.
  The Fordow site is simply under too big of a fucking mountain for even our largest conventional penetrator bombs to actually significantly fuck up... unless you basically were able to pull off multiples of those bombs hitting the exact same point from nearly the same angle...
  GPS guided bombs are accurate, but not that accurate... you'd have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these fuckoff huge conventional penetrator bombs to literally dig a hole through the mountain.
  ... Or, you drop one tactical nuke.
  fucking not good
  ...
  like this is what those air radar images were showing from 24/48 hrs ago.
  That was probably the US's entire fucking B2 Bomber Fleet deploying.
  ...
  EDIT:
  Yep 24 to 48 hrs later and...
  Apparently around a dozen 30,000 lb, GBU57s were used, there are at least 3 distinct impact sites visible from Sat Imagery...
  And oh hey well, a whole bunch of people are now claiming that... did these do damage?
  Sure yes.
  Did they 'utterly obliterate' the entire site?
  Not according to Israel, and a good number of others.
  So... 1) thank God they did not actually use a tac. nuke.
  Yep, they threw roughly 1/3 of our entire GBU 57 inventory at Fordow alone, and also the bombs were not accurate enough to inflict repeated, concise hits.
- Yeah but we have bombs that can do about what a small one would do without using radioactive materials. If they want to nuke them with Trump they'd go for something big and spectacular, like when he dropped the massive moab
I'd rather not be in the world of ruin timeline.

Stupid cunt actually wrote “Thank you for your attention to this matter.” Like he’s some douche reminding you to pay a bill.

Scummy landlord’s gonna scummy landlord.

You can always count on the USA to start new wars.

should be called USW, united states of war.

you mean Trump is a fucking hypocritical scum? no way!

Noting like dropping bombs while professing a desire for peace.

The peace of the grave.
we will have PEACE, or ELSE there will be WAR! Thank you for your attention to this matter

The US must be brought to heel.

Nothing says now is the time for peace like dropping bombs on people, amirite?

We've become the United States of Israel. Don't let anyone tell you differently. They put Israel first, not Americans.

???
'They' have been planning this strike in earnest at least since the early 00's, and war with Iran was always part of the plan to fully colonize West Asia. Israel is America's way to conduct proxy wars in the region, with a degree of autonomy like the Houthis and Iran, but still entirely dependent on their masters. Nothing was going to stop this expected geopolitical move, and don't think a Democrat would've done this any differently... didn't Biden say we would have to invent Israel if it didn't exist? (double lol on that one) The mechanics of the empire continue regardless of how things are managed inside...
- When things go the way they're headed, remember the words of T.E. Lawrence, war with an empire is all flank and no front.
  Maybe reading the book written by the guy who started this mess can help us end it.
- have you heard of AIPAC?

This statement from Trump is unsurprisingly disinformation. Most people interpret "nuclear sites" as nuclear bombs instead of completely legal power stations for civilian infrastructure.

Please don't recite this disinformation uncritically. That's just recycling propaganda.

Instead it's worth emphasizing that the zio regime actually has rogue nukes and is using them to threaten the planet with a nuclear holocaust. That's the actual problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

To be fair, Iran wants a nuke down the line, and civilian uranium enrichment is a huge stepping stone. There’s lots of technical alternatives they could pursue if they really just want civilian power.
…And that’s kinda understandable. They have a neighbor that randomly bombs their civilians.
Fuck it, let them have one.
Heck, they should get a tiny bit of old Soviet+US stock in some kind of international deal, so they have credible deterrence with the guaranteed stability+security mechanisms (and oversight?) of their weapons.
(To be more specific, Cold War nukes typically have elaborate tiggers and failsafes meant to stop unauthorized parties from detonating them with any nuclear yield, and the old school Soviet and US systems are pretty good. Better for them to have that than an “insecure” home cooked design they waste money on, like the North Koreans allegedly have, IMO. On top of that, they’d have “known” detonation signatures, so if they ever go off everyone would know it’s Iran (defeating the fear of them “losing” a nuke to another party, or a false flag op against Iran)).
- If that was true, they wouldn't have cooperated with IAEA for years, and it was ne US that destroyed any chances for a peaceful deal.
- Power aside, Iran is also a major exporter in nuclear medicine & medical equipment.
I mean, most of it is enriching, by the sound of it, and they've been doing that far beyond any civilian application. As a negotiating tactic, to date, per America's own intelligence.
- "Highly enriched uranium (HEU) is anything enriched above 20% and weapon-grade uranium is commonly considered to have been enriched above 90% U-235. However, some research reactors use 90% enriched U-235 to produce medical isotopes, so there are civilian applications for this fuel too."
  https://armscontrolcenter.org/uranium-enrichment-for-peace-or-for-weapons/

The worst part is, international laws and conventions are basically means nothing at this point. US actions simply incentivizes more countries to get mass-destruction weapons.

Does US call you as 51. state? Get a nuke.
Does US want to invade your island? Get a nuke.
Does US want to airstrike your country? Get a nuke.
Does US government officials breach your constitutional rights? Maybe consider owning a mini-nuke.

Thanks to these maniacs, Kim Jong Un now seems to be wisest person on the earth...

Thanks to these maniacs, Kim Jong Un now seems to be wisest person on the earth
The historical materialism is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
This comment is already 60% of the way to being a Conksat post

Draft-dodging chickenshit starts war. Neat

Draft dodging chickenshit obey his Israeli master.

Hopefully Iran keeps to its promise to bomb every US military installation in the Middle East if the US intervened.

Yemen also promised to attack every US ship in this occasion.
- They may make the US shoot down there own airplanes and dump them into the sea.
Iranies are not orange pigs posing as gods. If they promised it, they will stick to it, unless something truly convenient for them all is in the horizon.
They used all their bombs on Israel . \s

Any member of the US army is a criminal, you are not defending your nation, you are attacking another one.

To be fair, it was probably the US Air Force, not the Army, who flew the planes and dropped the bombs...
- thanks for the clarification i guess "military" is the right word
- Just for fun it seems like it may have been the US Navy also

Anyway, the San Diego Naval Amphibious Base Coronado shows the american dream

Yo what
- The Navy has promised to alter the design of one of the buildings on site, which from above clearly resembles a Nazi swastika pitched at the correct 45-degree angle the Nazis used. A report by SFGATE suggests that top officials in the Navy knew what the design of the building would look like prior to the installation.[8][9]
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Base_San_Diego
So much freaking parking space, what a waste.

I hope that Iran will make Project 2025's backers find out. Our bastard leadership think there are no consequences for doing evil and stupid things, and are in severe need of an attitude readjustment.

Iran would be perfectly within their rights to assassinate various US government officials. After all, that's exactly what the US and Israel have been doing in Iran.
- But do they really have that capability? I agree, it'd be totally justifiable and a credible war target, but let's be realistic here.
- It's obscene that the resistance forces need to keep appealing to international law in order to maintain credibility while isrl and the empire enact such wild and open terror and war crimes.
  People fighting to liberate themselves from fucking nazis having to justify themselves to nazi sympathizers.

What an absolute joke.

I can just imagine him writing it, hunched over, peck-hunting for the keys. He starts typing bombs. No, he thinks. Slowly backspaces. Starts giggling to himself as he presses the caps lock key. "This will show them how serious I am about my bombs!"

peck peck peck "B-O-M-B-S"

Probably sits back in his chair admiring it for a moment. "Perfect. Very strong. Very powerful bombs."

Then immediately starts typing about peace in the same shouty caps because why not? Everything deserves caps lock! BOMBS! PEACE! WHATEVER!

Then ends it with "Thank you for your attention to this matter" like he just sent out a memo about updating the office dress code instead of announcing he bombed another country.

It's such a weirdly formal, corporate sign-off after the most unhinged announcement possible. As if bombing other countries is just another agenda item he's keeping us informed about. Very considerate of him to loop us in on World War III via Twitter memo.

Absolutely deranged.

He most likely didn't type this
- "Dictated but not read." Is the phrase. Take any puns from that you like.
He’s used that sign off on a couple other messages. It is such an odd change of tone.
Makes me think it’s some weird manipulation tactic, or like the 17th time he says it it’s a code word to dismantle Congress or some shit.
- Not a tactic. He's simply a demented old man. A narcissist one, but still.
makes you wonder how we got from JFK to trump.

Can we have like a week or so where everything isn't totally fucked? Is that asking too much?

<-- Current historical moment
I think it'll require digging a trench for baby boomers

We've launched an unprovoked and unwarranted attack Upon A Sovereign Nation. Now's the Time For Peace. It's an amazing sentiment. It's like a school bullies who hits you and then says you can't hit me back.

trump indeed has the same mental capacity as an elementary school bully
The violated international by proliferation of nuclear arms.
- No, they didn’t. The Did you learn nothing from the Iraq War?
- Jake, turn off the bot farm!!!
- That's not something that happened yesterday. There have been no serious chances in the last 20 years or so, according to the ~~oecd I believe~~ IAEA.

This is what happens after a failure of a parade and being laughed at enough to leave the g7 early. This was his ego boost he needed. Oh. And oil or something.

Well... Hopefully my 2 year old doesn't have to fight in this bull shit. :/

I know you meant that this could escalate to a long war that your child may eventually be drafted into, but my initial mental image was a battalion of toddlers each carrying a Fisher Price branded "Baby's First Assault Rifle".
- DON'T GIVE TRUMP IDEAS.
- Fisher Price
  What are you smoking
I don't see ww3 taking long enough for that to happen, take that for what it's worth.

This should never have happened. Fucking psychopathic orange lunatic.

No new wars Trump strikes again, once again, with war.

Gotta prop up your masters when they tell you to invade.

America. Fucking. Sucks.

This cunt Just Started World War 3.

Palantir, Meta, Microsoft are all going to control the world's armies. They're trying to remove the working class. The Rich are doing their own genocide of the working class.

Their executives have been given military titles of Lieutenant Colonel already! Without any military training or fitness test.
https://defensescoop.com/2025/06/13/army-detachment-201-executive-innovation-corps-meta-openai-palantir/
- On the bright side, they can now be court martialed.
Inflection point and an opportunity to have radical change if we seize it. Organize unionize and strike NOW

Bombing for peace. What a clown.

nOw iS tHE tiMe foR pEaCe
Give bombs a chance, buddy.

Now would be the time for you Americans to get your sacred guns out and eliminate your tyrannical goverment. Please act quickly before the fascist cunts get us all killed.

Unfortunately the liberals scared all the cities from gun ownership...
The Americans who have a problem with this administration and are also gun owners are unfortunately rather few in numbers.

Death to America

International laws doesnt exist for amrika.

Fucking scum

This community is in trouble. America bombed and colonized my country. But I said it’s time America gets to feel war at home, instead of just dropping bombings on brown countries and i got my comments removed, like this one probably will be.
If you can criticize Israel, Iran, Russia, but not the U.S, you know this community is screwed. Im indigenous/Latino and I’m getting banned for saying the U.S deserves what’s coming
- What? Who's saying you can't say that? The US is the world's biggest bully and has been for decades, it definitely deserves whatever it gets in return for it's atrocities, and I don't think that's an unreasonable or unpopular opinion on Lemmy!

tHe PeAcE pReSiDeNt

(Rather, the clown president)

Gotta feed $ to Raytheon, Halliburton, Lougheed Martin & the billionaire class.

🤷🤷‍♀️🤷‍♂️

LOL impeachable AF but the US 😴😴😴

Meanwhile the voice of the opposition Chuck Schumer: “If TACO Trump is already folding on Iran, the American people need to know about it. No side deals,”
The war government

This feels a lot like start of a WW3 for the third time in past few years.

First it was Russia-Ukraine war, then it was Israel Hamas conflict, now its this.

WW2 didn't start overnight. There was a series of military actions that went unchallenged. That only made the belligerents bolder.
- Indeed. WW2 was a massive slow-walk into the full war. Everyone saw it coming from a mile away and nobody did anything to stop it. Similar to now where everyone can see that this is going to open more fronts.
  At one point all the fronts might band together with more and more suddenly joining each side, and boom you have WW3.
then it was Israel Hamas conflict
Stop acting like a genocide is a war
You're supporting it
WWI flashbacks. No UN. Reactionary military operations...
It will be a proxy war as usual.

There are theories online that say it was a symbolic attack and that they even warned Iran where and when they would strike.

First some technical stuff and facts:
There is much doubt even bunker busters would do significant dammage to Iranian facilities.
At an estimated 90 -120 meters depth they are well below the range of their capabilities (60 meters).
And they are heavily protected by various layers and nobody knows where they are exactly.
Only the entrance and building on the surface is visible.
The US have only used them once against Yemen and claim they could go deeper by doing double taps.
This has obviously never been tested.

Now some speculation:
The Americans knew they only had a small chance of success (despite the reported mission success propaganda) and 100% certainty of committing an act of war.
Then why would they do it?
Fact is the genocide state is getting hit harder and harder, as Iran announced they would.
There is huge devastation and the situation is untenable.
They realise they have bitten off more than they can chew and already showed signs of weakness.

The US 'taking out' the imaginary threat and casus belli would solve that problem and give the genociders a way out of the war without losing face.
As the Iranians said they would stop attacking if they did.

For Trump it would OC be a huge media victory showing how powerful they are and how they saved the poor genociders.

Too soon to tell what is true for now.
We'll have to see what the actual dammage is, if Iran strikes back and if the war ends.

Reports are that there is no increase in radioactivity at the bombed sites, so there either was no radioactive material, it was stored somewhere else, or it remained contained.
- I believe they removed everything of value and movable.
  They also filled the entrances with truckloads of sand.
  They were prepared.
  Also no noticable seismic activity apparently on IRIS (didn't check), which is strange since they work by creating a mini earthquake.

I honestly thought he wasn't a war monger judging from last term. Man, was I wrong. He's a complete POS.

Republicans, you can fire him at any time, you're letting this happen.

here is a trick to determine if they are warmongers:
are they capitalists? yes? then on a large enough timeline they will support war as long as it bring them profit. and war is always profit.
You mean the guy who assassinated one of Iran's top military commanders during his first term?
- His first term was complete shock, that one slipped by me.

Where are the 3 US bases in Canada.
I very much challenge that statement.
- Where are the 3 US bases in Canada.
  https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/are-there-us-military-bases-and-american-troops-in-canada/
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_military_installations
- I don't think the US owns and operates all these bases. I think many of them are local military bases that the US has stationed troops at.
- I agree this seems wrong. Could be referring to the historical bases like Pepperrell, Argentia, Goose Bay etc. but they were closed by the 1960s. NORAD bases do have US personnel on them, so do some Navy bases but by that count it would be far more than 3.

I don't think he knows what the word "peace" means.

He made a typo. It should read "there is not another military in the world that would have done this"

sigh, that settles that then. More blood will be spilt before any of this comes to an end. Shame, shame on all of us for allowing this to pass. May God have mercy on us all.

Goodbye Hormuz, I mean, why wouldn't they?
This isn’t on the majority of US citizens.
Its obvious our entire socio/political system is corrupted by money. The idea that a group of sociopaths who behave as if their socio economic status grants them impunity to act as though they have divine provenance to manipulate whatever they please for some reason view the us democratic system as too sacred for them to touch is foolishly naive.
There is the election fraud case in rockwell county new york that is moving forward. And besides that i like to call attention to Germany the supreme court of which decided that electronic voting is unconstitutional as it is impossible to determine the difference between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for lay people or anyone who is not a cybersecurity/ IT expert.
This coupled with the corporate media’s narrative manipulation and successful attempts to shift the Overton window as far right as possible in the last 5 decades as well as such insidious techno fascist tactics such as Israel’s consortium of tech contractors called Team Jorge in operation since st least 2015 which engage in hacking, and social media narrative manipulation through sophisticated bot farming it paints a picture that the American electorate is ultimately powerless and being insidiously controlled by a group of disgusting power hungry fascists that are engaged in a class war with us.
Anyone directly responsible for the current state of the USA and gloval affairs involving Israel deserve no mercy whatsoever. Including the overly audible minority of conservatives who have been lead to believe they are the majority and the world is their oyster to shit on and step on freely with complete impunity.
But the majority of us are good people who dont want this. Especially the millennials and gen z. The Democratic party has shifted so far right to appease it’s corporatist(fascist) masters and education standards have been gutted so most people dont even understand how we are being victimized. Maybe my faith in humanity is misplaced considering how igly things are but leftism has always been popular especially among educated people and this is why the right has destroyed education standards. As nixon and reagan advisor roger freeman said “we are on the verge of having a highly educated proletariat, this is dynamite! We have to be more selective of who we allow through higher education. At the time he said this before the Reagan administration some public universities especially federal Land grant universities has free tuition and many others that were not free were $50 per semester. Even yale was $700 per semester for tuition before the 1970’s now you need yo go into massive debt to get a degree that might gaurantee you a wage of $25-30 after you graduate with a debt of 50-100K at least if not 4-10 times that.
They want dumb complacent obedient workers who will not object to being looted so they can live in opulence at our expense while simultaneously funding their forever wars to further their imperialist agenda and profit motives.
- You honestly believe that there is a peacefull path left at this point? The system is rigged by design, and you are not going to restore democracy in the courtroom.
  Quit playing Martin and start playing Malcolm. Pick up a gun and kill your fascist leaders before they kill all of us.

Didnt he promise not to start a war?

And he didn't, he's starting peace like it says in the tweet
- with BOMBS 💣
He promised a lot of things. His promises are useless
So did Hitler and for that matter the Kaiser.
Lol... oh honey...

Damn it. :(

Why did he write bombs in all-caps?

Cuz they're loud, duh

Hopefully this doesn’t backfire af on American civilians..

Sorry, but I hope it does. Aggression must have consequences, or there is no justice.
- Because civilians are always the most worthy and deserving target of state-sanctioned violence.
it will. get ready
JFC. Pretty sure that Iranian civilians are the ones who need to worry.... Not to mention Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Yemenis, etc.

When Bush got the US into a war in the middle east, he at least did it after a terrorist attack on the US (which had nothing to do with Iraq, but he was able to fudge that part), and as a result of the stupidity of Americans, he had a 60+% approval rating at the time.

Trump didn't even manage a false flag or anything, as a result, a lot of conservatives are pissed off about this. Probably not enough to crack the MAGA coalition, but every little bit chipped away from it helps. With margins in the senate and house so close, it's actually possible that he could be stopped by congress and the US doesn't become a failed state, instead merely becoming an illiberal democracy.

But, what I wonder is if this will actually win him any converts from the Democratic side. I bet there are ultra pro-Israel people who were formerly Democrats who actually think this is a good idea, and will now start supporting Trump. Still, I think he's going to lose 90 MAGAs for every 10 Democrats he gains.

The Senate and the House need to do something for margins to matter though.
- The whole reason they're not doing anything is that the democrats (who might do something) are in the minority in both the house and senate, so what they can do (without breaking rules and norms) is very limited. The Republicans either don't want to do something because they support what Trump is doing, or they're scared to go against him.
  If you get a dozen Republicans who are willing to go against Trump, suddenly the anti-Trump side has a majority, which gives them a massive amount of power to do something.
60+%
It was 90%. Only 10% of Americans were capable of resisting the massive propaganda apparatus that manufactures consent at the start of every war of aggression. Vietnam was also very popular at the start.
But you are right that he's doing this without a strong justification. From what I've seen, mainstream media is still on his side, they love war, great for business. Whether enough Americans have learned anything from the disaster of the War on Terror to make any sort of lasting dent in the number capable of resisting propaganda remains to be seen, you'd think Vietnam would have but it's always "different this time," and people are frequently "anti-war, except the current one."
- I don't think the media is necessarily "on his side". When the media sticks to just reporting the facts, people interpret it as the media taking the other side.
  Also, his approval rating never got up to 90%. It was in the 80s in the days after 9/11 (which was sickening) but it dropped pretty quickly, and by the time the Iraq war began it was back down to almost 50%. It briefly went up after the war started, but then kept going down and down until he finally left office.
  https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2008/12/18/bush-and-public-opinion/
It’s like 80% of all members of senate and house take aipac money on both sides
The dems have been supporting genocide for a long time. They've always been with Trump when it comes to anti-arab racism. Just look at their track record. Dems have constantly attacked Palestine, Syria, Iran, etc.
https://iranhumanrights.org/2013/04/crippling-sanctions/

"Pakistan Doubles Down On Nobel Prize Boost"

--tm probably

So, this has gotta make it officially WW3 now ay? like, there absofukinglutely no way Iran takes this on the chin.

Thank you for your attention to this matter

Yes, as uus presidents usually do since WW2. But don't worry, I'm sure they'll tell you "THATS NOT US", and it's just Trump and definitely not a systemic problem.
- The POTUS has the discretionary power to send troops and launch a military action without Congress approval in case of emergency alone. There wasn't any emergency.
- Phew thankfully that's how its always done so just don't need to point it out ever again and keep with the status quo

"Ok Google. Send a tweet to xhitter. Say...

I am going to put certain WORDS in CAPS to accentuate them for REASONS that no one can really understand. Then I'm going to SPOUT bullshit about the traitors flying high miles away from any DANGER but I'll laughingly call them HEROIC and PATRIOTIC.
Then I'll touch my little mushroom peepee and do a nazi salute to MYSELF in the MIRROR.
Thank you for your attention to my EGO!!!

Send tweet.

Right, where the little kiddies at? I'm feeling super viagra masculine today!! Shit, how do I delete this. No, stop. Don't send. Everyone IGNORE that last bit about the kiddies!! Phew, got away with that! Hegseth. HEGSETH. change me, I've shit myself again. Get right in there and clean the folds."

Little baby Trump must have really had some diaper rash from all of the taco memes after he mentioned the two-week window.

Any American blood spilled by Iran if/when they retaliate will be on Trump's hands.

he's hoping iran retaliates. that gives him free rein to attack again and start ww3, thus making his billionaire buddies even richer.

Love this part of the timeline yet? Welcome to your 1984

How many bombs did he drop on Russia? Because he said he would end the war against Ukraine.

Israël didn't order him to do that
The MIC in USA and Russia is making mega bucks regardless.

I like how he ends his e-mail, treating the public populous as a corporate employee.

Remove Trump now!

Ok how?
Also you do realize almost every democrat supported this shit too right?
- Whatever it takes… whatever it takes….
Destroy America, trump is irrelevant

Honestly in the time Trump went for those sites, it would've been the perfect time for Iran to conduct the most damaging attacks they have against Israel; like, just go all out and empty out their stocks. Trump's going to be too busy gloating about what he's done and will be expecting the news to be singing praises of him to allow anything Iran does to overshadow it.

I can't remember the exact context, but I made a comment to a friend that voted for Trump (now former friend) back in 2016/7 just after the election along the lines of 'if the country isn't a smoking crater by the next election'. I thought I was being hyperbolic.

And Israel just bombed the location again. Guess the US didn’t obliterate it.

Much peaceful. Very tranquillity

We have the greatest BOMBS, they are truly magnificent.

I have been trying really hard to avoid politics, but this guy just doesn't stop. He's dumb fucking us into oblivion.

The Saudis and Israel repeating their influence on the USA. Iraq was first and Iran has been on a waiting list for a long fucking time.

What it costed Israel to make you do it and also announce it? A promised land of gazan golf courses or another Trump Tower there? I can't get how he is still breathing with everything that he did in his life.

Henry Kissinger lived to 100.
- Henry was clever and sneaky in his malice, like today's Thiel. The cheeto guy though pulls all the levers but dodges shit like he had 10 LUCK or something.

It's fitting because at the end of that episode, they learn that the US was in fact the alien invaders declaring war on other planets.

He can't even speak or spell for shit, he is truly the least qualified human being that should lead any position of power.

Well, I'm mildly surprised.

The suddenness kind of reminds me of when he bombed Assad.

Obligatory WKUK

Just going add early now since no one is talking about it yet, this is why nuclear isn't the way over renewables. Because as soon as any country wants a domestic nuclear energy program, the US will have a freebie wildcard to bomb them.

The US has a freebie wildcard to bomb anyone anyway.
- people in latin america have a saying: you know why there are no coups in the US? there's no US embassy in DC
- The US has a freebie wildcard
  It's called the "who's gonna stop me" card.
  Bullies like to play that one as often as possible.
You just got to build an actual nuke before you build the power plants.
- You need a reactor to produce the material needed for nuclear weapons.

Now is the time for peace...

Thank you for your attention this matter

"Thank you for your attention to this matter!" has some really strong Wesley Willis "Rock over London, rock on Chicago" vibes.

I mean, atleast we're safe from nuclear bombs, am i right?

🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

A peacefull world

Religion isn't the cause, the mode of production is. Economic factors are far more important when it comes to war, including this one.
If there is no religion people will find something else to fight over.
- In reality nobody is actually fighting for "religion". They're actually fighting for nationalism, capitalism, etc.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
- Maybe, but religion had caused infinite more wars than all other reasons together in the whole history.
Yeah Donald Trump is a devout Christian that must be the problem.
- Do you know any social advanced, free and human rights respecting Theocracy? The problem with Trump is, apart of the religion, that he is an ignorant and stupid nazi asshole.
- First of all, no. Secondly, no.
I wish this was news
greed first. its religion AND capital. cherry-picked fairy tales used to oppress and control, making the privileged more powerful and less empathetic, brainwashing the ignorant and leading to so much pointless hate-- religion is a sword and greed is the hand holding it. maybe im wrong but religion wouldnt exist if people didnt want more and more and more. more power, more superiority, more land (bc saying the land is holy and promised to you means its ok to take it by force), even the audacity to believe death isnt the end, they can have more life and shit? you cant own death. mankind evolved with so much creativity and abstract capabilities and this is where we are, dumb as hell.
Gotta erase all those disgusting borders.
Likewise gotta end the most violent and brainwashed religion of them all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

The republican filth always make a mess for democrats to clean up. Always.

The Democrats support this
Yeah, the republicans make a mess like the Israeli air force, the democrats"clean up" like the IGF
Yeah I remember Biden cleaning up everything. Ending the genocide in Palestine. Making peace with Iran... JFC.

I think we can expect Iran to just keep on fighting back, but who I'm REALLY looking at now is Pakistan. They said that if anyone attacked Iran besides Israel, they would enter the war on the side of Iran. Even if America's participation in the war stopped here (not fucking likely) if Pakistan follows through with their threat then this escalation really, honest to God, could be the start of WW3.

Because here's the thing: India has been trying to goad Pakistan into their own war for a few months now. So here's my prediction, although be warned it gets a little crazy after the first 5 points:

Pakistan attacks Israel as an ally of Iran
India attacks Pakistan as an ally of Israel
Afghanistan supports Pakistan with supplies and possibly troops, out of fear of India
Israel continues to pressure Trump, who supports Israel the way the USA (used to) support Ukraine. But direct action is possible, as seen today.
European support for Israel disintegrates, and they focus on Ukraine.
Russia declares support for Israel. Now Afghanistan has aggressors to the North (Russia) and India (South) albeit with a buffer country in both directions. They're highly motivated to support both buffer countries, but also wary of the USA coming after them (again).
Europe can no longer simply ignore Israel as it has become a second front in the war for Ukraine.
Kazakhstan declares allyship with Afghanistan because they understand that Russia has to go through them to get to Afghanistan and they really really don't want that.
Russian allies (Turkey, Belarús, Hungary) hamper the EU response.
Trump takes advantage and makes a play for Greenland and Panama.
NATO invokes Article 5 against the USA, uses this to justify attacking Russia (who is now aligned with the USA via Israel) directly IF they didn't decide to focus on America first (likely).
Canada is part of NATO, talks Mexico into joining against the USA because it's the only way they stand a chance.
China grasps at the opportunity to seize Taiwan and cement its claim to South China Sea.
Japan, South Korea, and most is Southeast Asia and the South Pacific band together against China to drive them out of the South China Sea and Taiwan.
Egypt and neighboring countries take strict control of the Red Sea, denying passage to ships belonging to Israel/Russia/China/et allies.

Ultimately, the two sides:

THE AGGRESSORS

Israel
Russia
India
America
Hungary
Turkey
Belarús
North Korea
China

THE RESPONSE

Iran
Pakistan
Afghanistan
The EU (and the UK)
Egypt and neighbors
Canada
Mexico
Japan
South Korea
Most/all of Southeast Asia and the South Pacific
South Africa

Oddly I see Australia sitting this one out, as their politics are far enough right to not want to go to war with their traditional allies (eg, the USA) but not left enough to support the response in any meaningful way. Something would have to force their involvement.

As for Central and South America, it's a mixed bag. Obviously some countries like El Salvador will support Trump, but I think most of them will defend Panama if they get involved at all. I certainly can't see Argentina and Chile being ok with just letting anybody pass Cape Horn.

Africa I just have no fucking clue. China has been involved in a lot of African countries in very big ways that the African countries aren't entirely happy about. They could take advantage of the circumstances to seize and nationalize Chinese assets within their borders, which puts them at odds with China/Russia/Israel/et allies and I think they would be pretty ok with that. South Africa in particular I think may take a more active role against the aggressors, given their position controlling the Cape of Good Hope.

Tldr if this plays out anything even remotely like what I've written here, and I really REALLY how it doesn't, we're all VERY FUCKED.

(This is a work of total conjecture, I'm probably wrong, so don't waste your breath telling me I'm wrong. That said some of my logic may not be obvious, so I'm happy to answer questions to clarify my thoughts)

Placing the US, Russia and China as allies during a hypothetical WWIII? That's a VERY bold claim.
Also, really doubt the EU could use NATO to declare war on the US, as the US are still the vast majority of NATO's firepower and command.
- Yeah and I just saw (after writing all that!) that Russia and China had warned the USA to not attack Iran, so I could absolutely be way off base there.
  Edit: the logic had more to do with Russia's ambitions to reform their lost empire. Afaik it's widely believed that after Ukraine, Russia will go for Kazakhstan and possibly Afghanistan. It's less that I see Russia siding with the USA and Israel, and more that I think Russia will be opportunistic in its military expansion.
I'll still tell you: You're the wrongest I've ever seen
Have you ever taken even a single look at the real world?
Australia will fall in line behind the US because we always fucking do like a bunch of patsies.
Europe and Canada would never ally with Iran.
Pakistan. They said that if anyone attacked Iran besides Israel
We have no record of Pakistan saying that. Iran claimed Pakistan said that.
But in terms of what we do know Pakistan is doing, is it nominates Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
It's not just conjecture, it's complete delusion. Pakistan never committed to put feet on the ground for Iran. It would be beyond idiotic considering the state the country is already in.
And even if all logic died and Pakistan somehow sent military support, Israel and the US are more than capable enough to handle it themselves. They don't need India's support and India, being the world's poster child for non-alignment, won't give it even if asked anyway.
It might be hard to understand but India has unironically been friendly with both Iran and Israel at the same time.
pakistan will do fuck all. Talking shit is cheap, actually goto war will not happen
do pakistan has weapons to reach israel? and maintain offence for a week?
where's pakistan gonna buy weapons from, china?
- Not only does Pakistan have weapons to reach Israel, it has nuclear weapons to reach it.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen-III
  Also, Pakistan borders Iran, which means together they could move such weapons much closer to Israel.