Safety

That looks like a gang, operates like a gang, and should be kicked off of the turf of any self-respecting gang, imho.

Honestly where the fuck are the gangbangers in all this? All that talk about fuck the police and how hard they are and all and there hasnt been one incidence of ICE being rolled up on by the westside crips.
- That's because ICE are cowards. Wouldn't be surprised if they're purposefully leaving areas under direct gang control alone.
- Forget gangbangers. Protesters and activists should dress like ICE agents. Law enforcement are supposed to wear uniforms for two vital reasons:
  So civilians can know who is legitimate law enforcement.
  So law enforcement can know who is legitimate law enforcement.
  ICE doesn't give a shit about (1), as they figure they have enough fire power to kill anyone who tries to arrest or assault them for dressing up like thugs. But they've completely forgotten about (2), and in the process have made themselves incredibly vulnerable to nonviolent protest and disruption.
  Forget holding signs. ICE has been rapidly expanded. Not only have the ranks swelled, but all sorts of people like militia members and bounty hunters have been deputized. Which means that not even the ICE agents on the ground are going to know who all is a member of ICE. They're all wearing masks anyway.
  In the heat of the moment, ICE agents don't have any way of telling who an ICE agent is.
  Forget holding up signs in protest. What really needs to happen is for every ICE raid to be swarmed by dozens of fake ICE agents. Normally using this tactic on law enforcement would be impersonating a police officer. But since ICE aren't wearing uniforms, there's nothing to impersonate!
  Imagine if every ICE raid was accompanied by dozens randos showing up and just getting in the way and causing chaos. Show up dressed as masked ICE thugs. Collect some of the immigrants being detained, put them in your own unmarked cars, and let them go a few miles away. Walk into a raid site like you own the place and are meant to be there. Then start taking up space, giving contradictory orders, standing in doorways, just generally causing any kind of nonviolent chaos you can think of. Turn their whole raid into a giant shit show of a circus.
  It's time to weaponize ICE's lack of identification. They don't ID themselves to avoid accountability. But it's time they were reminded of exactly why officers started wearing uniforms in the first place.
I used to think I liked monopoly busting
Until they busted up the state's monopoly on violence
- They're still the state, just mask-off (or on, in this case).
It's probably proud boys and their affiliates. Remember, they had meetings before the last Insurrection.
- So, a gang of white supremacists.

There's like no difference between them and these guys.

Yes there is, I can see these guys’ eyes.
ICEis doesn't look like they would be as agile on the monkey bars. So, checkmate.
That's not true, those guys are carrying the wrong type of gun!
who are they
- ISIS
- If I had to take a guess given the date of the photo and the edge of the flag it would be either ISIL or ISIS.

Oh so they can breathe through those masks. Isn't it strange how it was difficult for them 4 years ago but now they're totally fine with it.

Tbf, the mask is a bigger inconvenience when you're picking up veggies from the food isle than when chasing down migrants while hoping over a couple of fences. Don't your see? The aerodynamic design of the mask will...

Where's the well regulated militia you Americans scream about so loudly when someone suggests not letting a mentally ill child own an assault rifle?

Isn't this exactly the government tyranny that argument is used to defend against?

I think they’re the same people that are locking up random immigrants
Where's the well regulated militia you Americans scream about
So, one could argue that the well regulated militia in question is constituted by the National Guard, as they nominally are the armed forces of individual States, and can be nationalized under certain circumstances.
Except for the fact that Trump just nationalized the California National Guard when he's nominally not supposed to....
- The way the legal system in the US works is just incredible. There are things that are very much illegal, but if the president does them apparently everyone is just fine with it.
- One should argue that. Even though the national guard acts as a branch of the military, technically they are whats considered a "organized milita" and are actually under the control of the state government
They're too busy gargling republican boot to bother rising up against the tyranny they've cried about for decades.
To a unnerving amount of people's surprise, they only cared about the power of the state when they thought it was being used improperly (having a tolerant democracy), and are more than happy to see it used the way they want (hurting brown people)
- It'll come for them at the finish. These brown shirts should pick up a history book. The people who helped the Nazis rise to power did not live to get to enjoy it.
- This is quite a terse way of putting it.
  10/10. No notes.
Yes. Nobody wants to be first because they and the next xx% will be the sacrifice.
- if it's not the home of the brave, it won't be the land of the free
The thing that I don't get about those people is, what do they think the "well regulated" part means?
Those 2a chuds will never rise up against a tyrannical government.
They'd rather kneel down for a tyrannical government.
This has been asked many, many times. Most of them are on Drumpy's side. The same fucks on Jan6.
Hey dumbass, it turns out that:
Each state has its own laws about this. Where I live the same state constitution that ALSO specifically grants us the right to own firearms for self defense explicitly forbids belonging to any private militia.
My part (Democrats) is so overwhelmingly anti gun that 99% of aren’t armed to begin with. So precious militia you’re smugly pretending to ask about? Yeah you’re looking at them in the post to begin with. They’re all boot licking fascists.
Nice try though, pretending disarming Americans is the answer to anything other than more deportations, more oppression, and so on.
I’ll give you this: literally neither side gives a shit about the actual underlying problem: mental health. Over half of ALL gun deaths in the USA each year are from suicide. You don’t need an AR15 for that. Banning and removing all guns successfully won’t stop all those people wanting to be dead, but my fellow Democrats don’t care and the fascists sure don’t.
- LOL. My point was, when you have come down of your high horse, that the opponents of gun control hide behind the Second Amendment and the need to protect themselves from government overreach, but those are the exact same people who jump up to volunteer to do that exact bit of overreach.
  Plus I get to have a little dig at your country's ridiculous gun laws at the same time.
A lot of these areas have much more stringent gun laws. Yes, they can own the guns, but they can't carry them. Carrying/displaying will probably get them arrested and charged with a weapons felony.
I'm usually told we've moved beyond the need for people to do that. Then we should just leave the use of force to the police: The organizations that consistently seem to try to prove we can't trust them. I agree, the police should be an organization Americans can trust: How can we make them that way?
Does anyone see the irony?
U.S. conservatives "trust" the police, but still want civilians to be armed.
U.S. "leftists" distrust the police, but want them to be the only ones armed.
The U.S. never fixed their trust issues with police. So this seems like the logical result.
Do you actually want an answer? I think you know the details aren’t suitable for a public forum.

Why aren't masked and armed individuals with weapons and no badges, that make attempts to abduct people, being shot?

Because the whole second amendment thing was about carrying a gun in the hope that you get to shoot a black person, a school kid or a teacher.
- Sad yet probably true
Never have I hoped the L.A street gangs just take this matter into their own hands
Probably because the Democrats are so anti-gun/weapon. The target demographic probably leans anti-weapon, even if they're not necessarily Democrats. The combination keeps them more vulnerable. It's even worse when carrying weapons in these areas is outright banned: no training, no permits, only police. The safety of the group is generally prioritized over the safety of the individual. Which, like here, can be a problem.
From how they're acting, it seems only a matter of time. They seem to check all of the boxes for a lethal or deadly force in nearly every state, even the strict ones. An unidentified suspiciously dressed group aggressively surrounding you and preventing your retreat? Lethal/deadly force can often be used to defend another person. Someone else can shoot these idiots in plain clothes with no identification.
Even if "police" identify themselves late, it seems to be setting themselves up for a weak defense

Dox all these fuckers. Attack and take their masks. Spread photos everywhere you can. Make their lives terrible. They're not law enforcement they're gestapo.

Perhaps the only valid use for glitter
- Should try that die they use when you steal shit. That stuff lasts forever. How does one bulk buy that. Nothing a squirty water bottle, water gun or balloon couldn't handle either.
- I’ve wanted to suggest things like this, only frustration I can think of is, could you risk glittering an innocent bystander and having people accuse them of being ICE later.
- The diet version of Brad Pitt making a swastika scar on nazi foreheads so they can't take it off like their uniforms in inglorious bastards.
Worse.
Gestapo did not wear masks and they had their legal documentation/warrants ready and available. They were not hiding.
- I mean.. In some ways maybe that is not worse. Perhaps there is some shame associated with working for ICE.
- If camera phones and the internet were available then they absolutely would have hidden their face, in the beginning at least
- All public facing media was controlled by the state in Germany. That's not possible anymore without killing all the electronics and means of sharing media, aka the internet.
ICE folks should raid banks. Gotta be people hiding in the safe right? And cops won't stop them to ask questions, so win win!
Democrats need to thoroughly clear out everyone in ICE as soon as they get the chance.
- You're still pushing that "my government is here for me" bullshit? You haven't noticed but you're gonna have to do that yourself boss.
- Spoiler alert they absolutely will not and democrats are going to keep using this shit too

This is very similar to what the nazi and the soviets did. Removing people under pretext of law with no regard to process or people. It doesn't seem as extreme but the course is definitely clear.

To the troll that keeps regurgitating "illegal aliens" rhetoric. Dressing up with masks and shit doesn't grant one an authority to pick people of the streets. Any "leader" that enables this just wants chaos and doesn't give a fuck about the nation. It's just tyranny under the guise of patriotism. It happened many times before.

Well put, Mr. Satan
- His friends call him Hercule.

I can't wait for the trial about it gunning them down is self defense,

if it is a trump appointed judge, then it will clearly be considered illegal, which mean the whole point of 2nd amendment (defend against a tryranic government is BS)

or reasonable judge, which will determine it is self defence, then let the fun begin.

Eh… homie needs to watch Mad Max again —any of them. But I’ll still give him 2 points for trying to be clever.

Yeah, a reference to Steven Seagal movies would have been more poignant.
- I feel like he sent them the scarves but the rest of those outfits are just sad… “Can I get a pair of tan pants in a size 45x80 even though I’m 4-foot-nothing? I want to look like an elephant that just ODed on estrogen pills fam!”
  Honestly I think they were LARPING as protesters or something but stopped for second donuts and didn’t get first pick from the costume department… or whatever they call their equipment room.
good point but do you understand the premise of the meme?

We should respond to these people as what they are, domestic terrorists.

- They are not, in fact, enforcing the law. See Abrego Garcia.
  When masked men in other countries roll up and black bag people to unmonitored black sites we call it what it is, secret police.
  Overstaying a visa is a misdemeanor. Should jaywalkers get sent to torture camps? Shuffling people in to camps to starve wasn't right when Greece did it either, but they had the excuse of being overwhelmed by volume, not deliberate cruelty.
- Law enforcement announce presence and who they are in fact it's incredibly important in criminal law because I don't have to listen to some guyi have to listen to law enforcement, if you can't prove you're le and you put your hands on someone fully expect to be treated the same as any other criminal.
  You're advocating for anyone with a gun and a bad attitude to be treated as le, you're fucking insane.
- It's obvious you're trolling, as it is obvious that the people operating (supposedly) as part of ICE are playing fast and loose with the law (on top of being tyrannical for the sake of example).

Buy some guns and do it to them then.

It's America

I mean, honestly, even without violence, this would be a fantastic protest technique. Imagine if whenever there was an ICE raid, there were hundreds of people dressed indistinguishably from the ICE thugs. Normally this doesn't work at protests. If you put on a fake LAPD uniform, they'll arrest you for impersonating a police officer. But since these thugs aren't in uniform, then you're not impersonating an officer by dressing like them.
"ICE thug" should be the standard uniform for every protester. Watch as their raids collapse into absolute chaos as they can't figure out who is actually on their team. Watch as the police thugs escorting ICE get completely confused as they don't know who to shoot their rubber bullets and tear gas at. Just imagine protesters milling about in active raid scenes, walking in like they own the place, giving contradictory orders to ICE foot soldiers, etc. Hell, the protesters could "detain" many of the people being seized, load them into unmarked vans, drive them a mile away, and then just let them go.
This can be weaponized, all without using actual weapons. Protesters could dress up like these ICE thugs and completely destroy their operations. ICE have forgotten that cops wear uniforms not just to protect the public, but also so that cops can tell who is actually a police officer.
It's time ICE learned exactly why police wear uniforms. By not wearing uniforms, they've made themselves comically vulnerable to mass disruption by nonviolent protesters. They've completely destroyed their own chain of command, and they are vulnerable.

Yeah, what's happening definitely requires exercising second amendment rights. And yet Americans are still mostly mum. Dumbing down Americans by the oligarchs paid off I guess.

I feel safe in my house, but I didn't reacquire my concealed carry permit when I moved states, mostly because I almost never carried in all the years I had it.
I really need to get off my ass and complete the requirements in this new state and get that permit.
- I need a walking mech suit.

My Army training would kick in, and I would shoot the terrorists.

/c/iamverybadass
- So you would let mexicans get snatched?
  If you can make a difference and don't, that's more of a problem with your character.
  Never roll over for the fascists. Once the immigrants are gone, you'll be next, and there will be noone left to stop them.

Nazis doing Nazi stuff. There is only one known cure for fascism.

assassination of the president and vice president
- I think it’d be better to get rid of the entire Heritage Foundation. There’s no chance Trump is calling any of the shots anymore
- They are just puppets. There are bigger fish.
- How about arrest and prosecution under a completely reformed legal system?

Time to grab a certain white South African and deport him

I imagine South Africa would complain. They don't want him back.
- Drop him in the ocean off the cape. I'm sure something in there would want him.

They will be doing this to citizens standing in line to vote.

There's reporting that they're already doing this to citizens. You need to show them your papers to prove you're a citizen, but if you're not of the right skin tone they might decide they think your papers are fake and detain you.
How bout we do the same to them?

Isn't it the job of the opposition party at this point to propose legislation that outlaws this practice? To run candidates on a platform of reigning in these abuses? To run ads with scary music saying how the government is infringing on liberties etc?

Rural Republicans already fear three letter federal agencies: BLM, ATF, etc. Play to their fears, this very low hanging fruit, Democrats.

California "No Secret Police Act" introduced, would ban police from covering their faces - CBS San Francisco https://share.google/yBJZoO8cseW6R5mc9
Also: https://youtu.be/j7SOc_8IhSY
- Who's gonna enforce it? LAPD and LASD are pissed because they can't join in on the fun and that's why they're trying to kill protesters instead.

If this was germany, people showing up like this would spark an instant large-scale police operation. just saying. Germany. you know?

If someone comes and tries to take you or those around you, defend yourself.

Get a handgun, get a CCW and learn how to defend those you love.

There are more of you than them.

Masked armed men in edgy outfits ? Dodger's stadium ? They're Barghest !

Nice Cyberpunk reference. ^^

I'm looking forward to a hot summer of making these traitors get heat stroke under all their gear.

Going to be fun putting all these monsters on trial after Trump is gone.

Going to be fun putting all these monsters on trial
Gonna be fun watching democrats be like "trust the system! the wheels of justice turn slowly!" until it's too late. Again.
- This will be the sad reality at best some show trials with pardons when red regime whores are back in power
Honey, trials don't convict fascists. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of law.
Fucking shiro ishi ended uo dean of tokyo medical school. Nobotsuke kishi's dynasty only ended when some guy killed his grandson with a home made electric shotgun. Most of the italian fascists, aside from Mussolini, who notably did not get a trial, ended uo employed by the cia.
Germany wasn't much better.
You don't give nazis trials.
- I feel like the end result will be like Nuremberg. Sure. Some of them got light sentences. But a lot of the leadership hung.
- Context, for anyone interested about the Nobusuke Kishi part:
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Shinzo_Abe
  https://shingetsunewsagency.com/2022/07/10/the-crime-that-killed-shinzo-abe/
Haha good one.
- He is old, unhealthy, and hopefully mortal.
- I have faith my friend.

I don't have any horse in this race but... how ugly, dirty and bloody can this get in a state where gun owning and carrying is very common?

And I'm not even considering bystanders caught in crossfire.

How ugly can it get if someone decides to shoot on sight a gang like this? And other people join as they start hearing exchanged fire?

They want an excuse to implement martial law.
If this happens then they have all the reason to bypass all due process and just oppress everyone.
They want it to go this way. They wanted the National guard to get involved in California's "riots". They are looking for the excuse to throw out the courts, the house, the Senate, the supreme Court... Literally everyone from any say in what happens or any ability to overturn, stop or otherwise impede their ability to control everyone and everything.
The fucking boot licker repubtards are making sure that it happens, and they'll act like so many others, shocked, when they end up under the boot of the people they voted for.
As an outsider looking in, this reality is extremely obvious to me. Is it somehow not clear to Americans?
- It is clear to some of us.
  I'm trying to finish my degree and move to the EU.

Nazis

Land of the free

Stand your ground, Pubs love that shit... Be the good guy with the gun brah

I wish anyone in this administration cared about faith in the military, because there's no way this doesn't create a populace afraid of its own military.

I think that's the point. Americans need to realize it's not about us. It's not for us. It's their business not ours. We are products in an illusion of freedom made by false individuality created by consumption of the things that are offered by "the machine" used for escapism of existentialism?
- We are products in an illusion of freedom made by false individuality created by consumption of the things that are offered by "the machine" used for escapism of existentialism?
  Do what now?
- What's their business?

Turns out the "Great Again" was the Wild West...

Frankly, how would DHS even know at this point?

Wish someone would dox these pussies

All the CPB I've seen in the southwest wear standardized uniforms, drive clearly marked vehicles, and don't hide their faces.

So anyway, I started blasting

Time for leftists to start cosplaying as ICE and disappearing redneck shitbags

Guy in the middle definitely didn't skip the tactical snack.

My first thought was, I bet that man got a fat ass. He has them thic lady legs
- Seriously I'm jealous of his hips

Americans are about to ruin the neck gaitor

Ready aim

More like ready! fire! aim!
- They do kind of look like the sort of militia forces that call of duty has taught me to kill.

Unlawful intimidation at the very least, good grounds to take out your own weapon.

Q-anon wouldve been crazy in these times.

Tan pants, black webbing... these sacks are a disaster.

I hope those fuckers are roasting in the sun

But they feel cool.
- Fat boy in the middle is wearing a plate carrier about 20% too small for his obtuse frame.

This is why you have to be armed at all times and ready to interfere

…little people inside big costumes…

Would it be in poor taste to call these people jihadist?

They're terrorists by any definition of the term, jihadists suggests they adhere to the idea of jihad which seems a little far fetched
- Boo, but jihad just means holy war like Allah means God. I literally learned the word jihad from playing FF8. When do we take borrowed words literally versus phonetically?

Also don't come here legally.
Or be born here the wrong color or sexual orientation or gender.
You're the lowest of the low. We have versions of you in my country as well, so generic in fact we could swap you out and never notice.
Either by inaction or by ignorance, you become the soil upon which fascism roots. Feigning to misunderstand just how removed the law is from justice in times of crisis won't make you win any argument. There's so much more a human can be than a hateful bigot, you persisting in your mental rigidity is a frankly sad waste of the brainpower your were bestowed upon.
You might want to find another hobby bc you’re not very good at trolling little buddy. But I see you tried hard.
So I've been around town a bit. Heard how people are talking in restaurants, busses, etc.
The nazis are about to find out.
Yeah. Don't fucking come here illegally. Being a federal agent or US marine is real fucking close to not being protection from that shit. The LAPD, who are officially not supposed to be helping ICE and don't live in the city either, will probably find out too. Taking the fucking stadium was such a mistake. I don't know if this is fixable even if they go back where they came from tomorrow. everyone is pissed.
Edit: if this were a genuinely hard city like chicago, your marines would've gone missing within 24 hours of getting here. Dissolved in barrels or pig shit.
But it's los angeles. So maybe there's still time. I hope there's still time.
I will never go to the US legally or otherwise... i am pretty content with sitting here in Europe and watch you guys tear each other apart