Dad strips down at school board meeting to make ‘clear argument’ about dress code
Dad strips down at school board meeting to make ‘clear argument’ about dress code
We want teachers to be teaching and not having to waste time measuring a girl’s shirt or making a girl feel uncomfortable,” Shultz said.
Good because policing what girls wear stems from this fucked idea that boys have no sexual self control or responsibility for same and that women thus have to take responsibility for it via modesty.
So with those idiotic notions, rape victims get blamed for appearance, consent doesn't enter the conversation, rapey boys are "boys being boys", and similar awful shit.
For added context, Shultz is the school board president here. The stunt didn’t change the vote and the new policy that was being protested is the same as other schools in the area that didn’t have any problems regarding dressing.
yeah wtf that makes no sense
I went to a public high school where boys had to wear long pants all year round. We didn't have air conditioners. Meanwhile girls would wear skirts.
So stop woth the sexism.
Public schools should just have uniforms of a polo shirt and slacks , shorts or knee high skirts and that is it.
It will help also woth poor kids not having to be made fun of when some people come in with Gucci purses amd expensive shit.
Sounds like the dress code hurts boys as well. The solution is still to reform.
I've heard of male students wearing skirts in protest and that normally works with the Puritan school administrators.
Who purchases the uniforms? You mentioned impoverished kids being made fun of, but the parents have to buy the expensive, overinflated uniforms as well. Wouldn't that put more strain on less well off families, having to buy specific clothes for their child's attendance, each year for each child?
I disagree completely. Uniforms have been proven to not help with anything they claim to. For one, they generally can't be bought second hand.
I'm sorry why is your solution "make the poors pay for something else."
not agreeing. i would want to wear my clothes. just casual, nothing gucci or else. the school should offer uniforms but without forcing studemts to wear it. something like an advertisement.
Yeah this is all wrong
My school tried a uniform for a few years and I have never once forgave them for that. I won't allow my kids to be punished the same way. Also someone found their old uniform in the attic many years later, shredded it with a knife, and mailed it to their former principal with a note that told them that's what I think of your messed up uniform policy you forced on us.
You're getting down voted but as someone who had exactly 3 shirts and 2 pair of shorts in high school, I would have vastly preferred a uniform mandate. My mom had enough money she just didn't see extra clothes as a necessary expense for her. She would have been forced to get the uniforms and I would have had an easier time in high school.
People are also saying that's an unnecessary expense for the poor people, but why can the school afford the building, the teachers, administration, etc, but not 5 pairs of clothes for the students? Maybe even for need based students?
Not really no.
It comes from being distracting.
The point of school is learning, not fashion, not looking good.
Honestly this is why school uniforms are such a good idea. Cuts out the ambiguity of a dress code.
Point of school is learning, yes. And fashion and looking good is also a part of learning, and expressing yourself, and attracting like minded individuals to build friendships, etc.
Boys should be taught to control themselves if someone nearby is "distracting", hey another thing they can learn at school. Teach kids how to be adults, not just algebra.
Except anything can be distracting and there's a certainly a reason why the school girl outfit has so many sexy versions and lingerie. School uniforms are a terrible idea for many reasons. You generally can't buy then second hand, low income families now need two sets of clothing for their kids, and it is possible to buy "higher quality" ones from places like Macy's.
I tell you what would REALLY help me not get distracted at school, if the girls had to wear burqas.
Then us fellas don't need to worry about learning self control or mental discipline. It's win win! By which I mean, two wins for men.
I only agree with you because I could stare at the ass of a girl I used to have in my class all day. And I know for a fact I wasn't the only one.
Uffff but yhe that's still my fault and my bad, I shouldn't be asking her to wear more clothes so I can focus
From the article:
As a dad, that’s very concerned about my children ....
I may disagree with it, but his kids aren't mine, so he, as the parent, he can prevent his daughters from owning that offending clothing.
...as well as everyone else’s kids in the district,
And here's where it goes off the rails. Why don't you keep your own parenting in your house instead of your neighbor's house, eh? Are you also going to decide what books other parent's kids read? How about what religious beliefs (if any) other parent's kids follow? None of that is your business. If other parents are okay with their kids dressing that way you shouldn't get a say on that.
Maybe focus on parenting your own child instead of everyone's.
Also does this guy have a humiliation fetish?
Lunatic pulls stupid stunt to get his way, policy voted affirmative regardless.
Because kids interact with each other at school. The whole point of rules is to affect social interaction, to shape how people’s behavior is able to affect others.
Because kids interact with each other at school. The whole point of rules is to affect social interaction, to shape how people’s behavior is able to affect others.
A parent choosing to use public schools doesn't get 100% control over what their child is exposed to. That "kids interact with others at school" is the point where the parents teaching in their child needs to hold up when the parent isn't there. I would think that is a large part of raising children. A parent knows as some point in the future their child will be an adult, and out of the control of the parents. Interaction with other kids at public schools is where that first is encountered.
If a parent demands 100% control of the children 24/7/365, then the choice is home schooling, and hopefully the child can afford good therapists when they are an adult to undo that damage.
Ever heard of peer pressure in high school? Sure you can tell your own kids to wear proper clothing. But if she has friends walking around in beach clothing and she's not, she's gonna be left out.
Board just has to state: wear what you want but see to it that it at least goes to the top of your knees and it covers your ribs.
Ever heard of peer pressure in high school? Sure you can tell your own kids to wear proper clothing. But if she has friends walking around in beach clothing and she’s not, she’s gonna be left out.
You're arguing a different issue. Remove any midriff elements from the conversation and you could be talking about the latest designer shoes or brand of jeans. So midriff specifically is immaterial to that argument. If you want an environment of uniform dress, then you're arguing for school uniforms. Arguments pro and con of school uniforms are outside of the scope of this discussion.
Board just has to state: wear what you want but see to it that it at least goes to the top of your knees and it covers your ribs.
And then we get back to the problem that the Board is trying to get away from which is educators being forced to become "fashion police". There's been historical problems with that including selective enforcement. The actions the Board are taking are specifically to let educators be educators.
Shouldn't the parents be watching what their kids wear if they are worried about? A basic dress code is all that is needed. Just like the board said its a waste of time to measure girls skirts. Maybe if we didn't taboo the body so much people wouldn't care what someone else is wearing.
Hahahaha my parents “watched my clothing” so I either had extra clothes in my bag that I’d change into, or I’d wear them under a top layer of “approved” clothing and take it off later.
Parent, here. My kids wear whatever the hell they want, and because I'm not giving them any reason to rebel, they don't feel any urge to do that kind of thing.
And if they did for fun or something? I wouldn't give a shit.
I agree I changed my clothes too sometimes in high school. But still a basic dress code would cover the more extreme outfit. But when it comes to a skirt being a slightly short I don't think its worth the school time to check.
Agreed. We all have bodies. Underwear is appropriate for shared spaces (most people dont want to sit on anyone else's ass juice) but aside from that this prudishness of the human form that many people have is silly to me.
Even if the dad DID walk around like that, I think that's his business. We should all be allowed to wear what we want (undies for sanitary reasons) and if something is offensive then people could just, you know, not look!
“As a board we voted to ultimately let parents and families decide what is appropriate for them. It is the parents and family’s choice and as long as it doesn’t disrupt the school day, it would be a non-issue.”
I was not expecting this level of common sense from an Arizona school board. Good on them.
Small government conservatives: "get the government and all its "rules" out of our lives!"
School board: "you're right, each family should decide what schoolwear is appropriate and I guess people will have to manage themselves and their own reputation.."
Small government conservatives: "no not like that!"
Gilbert, AZ also has an incredibly high Mormon population. The Mormon churches (or whatever they call the smaller satellite buildings that aren't temples) are like Starbucks, one on nearly every corner. This must not be one of their school boards.
To be fair though, it's also a very safe, clean, and well maintained suburb. Probably the overall best family friendly city in the entire Phoenix metro.
The Mormon churches (or whatever they call the smaller satellite buildings that aren’t temples)
They're called a chapel building or chapels, of which 2-4 congregations (named wards) share. And then a collection of wards are organized into a stake, and they share a bigger building named a stake center for periodic meetings and events together.
And just a heads up, the current "Mormon" prophet has decreed that the moniker "Mormon" has fallen out of favor, and instead should be called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", the full name (there's some shorter names in that link). So if you see people down voting you, it's probably due to that.
So it's not longer the "Mormon prophet", it's the "the prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". And it's no longer "he's a Mormon", it's "he's a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". And it's no longer the "Mormon missionaries", it's "a missionary of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".
I think that's silly, and I believe once there's a new prophet again, the word "Mormon" will be ok. But I guess time will tell!
I actually find myself siding with the board here, if only because I have heard all too often about dress codes being overly restrictive or overly enforced. Like the board said, they don't want teachers wasting time measuring a girl's shirt when they should be teaching.
If only any of these parents cared about supporting teachers and their kids actually learning.
also, none of the traumatic things that happened to me in my adolescence were based around the clothes any of us were wearing.
Sometimes my daughter wants to go to school in something too revealing.
We tell her to change because we're her parents and that's called parenting. We don't need the school to tell her what to wear.
Nobody's concerned with what their own children are wearing. They're concerned that they might be exposed to abdomen skin (the horror!) because of what someone else's child is wearing.
His argument is that he looks like a fool dressed like that, so everyone who dresses like that looks like a fool? Weird thinking.
his argument is the new dresscode would allow young girls to dress like that and he thinks the school should police it, instead of just raising his kids to be well adjusted and responsible. or it makes his pp hard and it makes it harder to hide that he's a pedo when he's in public
The goal of people pushing agendas like this is the elimination of public education and state support for religious schools via “charter schools”. A lot of the people who run for school board who push parents rights are religious fundamentalists, real estate developers, or charter school consultants. This is at least true where I live.
Kind of tangential but towards the end of HS we had this ongoing trend of wearing costumes to school every wednesday. Some of the class participated more often than others, some (including me) barely participated at all.
There was one week where everyone was determined to participate though, because we had planned for boys to go dressed as girls and vice-versa. I still didn't really care to join them but some friends of mine said they'd lend me some of their clothes and makeup so I'd have no excuse to not participate.
What I didn't anticipate is that they'd dress me up just like the guy in the pic, only difference being that I'm underweight, not overweight. Still looked like a fool though, but that was part of the fun, not some pseudo political statement.
Anyways, tangent over.
Real big get back in the kitchen energy from this guy. He probably needs the kids more covered up because he can't control himself around too much exposed teenage girl skin.
From the headline I thought he was protesting in the other direction… get back in the kitchen energy is a great way to phrase his stance.
Oh, he's a never-nude too! I didn't see him at the convention last year in Berlin. There were literally dozens of us there. Dozens!
I hope someone called the police. Someone stole that poor man's ass.
Hank Hill lookin mfer
Can't parents just talk to their children about how to dress?
I feel like that's a simpler solution and this way the school can focus on teaching.
My wifes a teacher, they do have to spend an absolutely mind boggling amount of time covering shit that really should be handled at home. Literally calling parents about their kids refusing to do any work and the parent saying "I dont know what you want me to do"
Just wanted to echo this as my experience too. It's unreal how many times my wife has to change her entire lesson plan for an entire grade because one parent wanted to complain about a non-issue while at the same time parents refuse to address real issues that disrupt not just their student but the learning experience of everyone else.
it's crazy that they're making a crop top and short shorts mandatory dress code for all students
Looking good dude! Slay king
I currently work in a school, and it can be very awkward walking up steps when students have incredibly short shorts, skirts, dresses, ect. The amount of underage skin (glutes, a little too much cleavage, and male nipples with loose tank tops) genuinely makes me feel uncomfortable and it's not like I'm trying to see anything. There is no one solution to make everybody happy, and I don't think uniforms are great or terrible, but I think it would always be better to air on the side of caution and establish standards/ dress codes. Almost every profession has standards and dress codes too, so I don't see what's wrong with trying to get students in the habit, at least in highschool when they start getting into the work field. Idk, disagree with me if you want, but I think this is reasonable.
Why can't we normalize open communication, instead of authoritarian nonsense. Rules systems are unnecessarily demeaning and oppressive. It should be perfectly normal for a teacher to say, "hey I feel a little bit uncomfortable about what you are wearing." The school staff should be held to a much higher standard than the students, where if they are excessive about their opinions it should be addressed long before students. IMO the biggest problem in schools is a lack of reason and respect for students as real people.
I will also say, when I worked at a highschool a few years ago (I'm now middle school) a male teacher did pipe up about a student whose skirt was so short that he could see their underwear and buttocks and the parents called him a pedophile for trying to, "Look at their daughter," however, he only complained because he was uncomfortable. A pedophile probably wouldn't have said anything. Like I said, I don't think there is going to be any one size solution. It's pretty annoying. I do agree, school staff should be held to a high standard, but just in general. Teaching is a profession and we should present ourselves as professionals. I'm sorry if your experience with schools made you feel like teachers don't care about students as real people. In my experience, being on staff at the district I went to, all the teachers I work with spent years in school learning how to help because they genuinely care for the kids.
We are like teenagers trying to break every single rule forgetting why they are in place .
If the dress code is gonna be a problem, just make everyone wear a school uniform and be done with it.
It can't be that slow of a news day in... oh. Fox. A local Fox station. Of course they'd want to take antics like this from Arizona and put them on the news in Oregon where they're definitely relevant. Bullshit like this is why you can't believe the folk who claim these local fox affiliates are unbiased.
Every local TV News station is likely to be conservative, no matter which broadcaster they are affiliated with. Sinclair, Hearst, Scripps, etc, they are all right wing, even by American standards.
Yes, police what my children are wearing for me. Maybe the extra clothes will stop the bullets.
Oh yeah, there's always that. America's so fucking scary man...
I don’t know about you degenerates but my heart and mind is changed. Thank you, Fupapa.
And what state is this in?
One where they're banning books and critical race theory even if critical race theory is a college course?
He was against letting girls show their bellies because it would 'distract the boys' or some other bullshit that goes right along with the book burning.
The freedom with which adult men will voluntarily say they think that 12yr old over there is too sexy for anyone to get any work done. The implication that they're just physically unable to police themselves in the presence of an uncovered elbow and need outside help. If thy right eye offend thee.
Denial. Seriously tho it's in Arizona where the typical summer temp is around 165f
"“The fact that we have adults advocating for children to have less clothing on is absurd to me,” she said."
But they're not? They're advocating for children to not be forced to wear as much clothing, which isn't quite the same.
Too many commenters here think dress codes are all about "boys have no self control so girls should suffer".
Companies have dress codes. Is it too much for kids to have a predictable leveling environment where the most important thing is learning? Once they're grown up, "Katy" not being able to wear a bikini on the office floor, or Todd not being able to wear his gym tank top on the hotel front desk becomes obvious. So why is restricting that at school not ok?
Three points: 1) school is not a job, 2) dress codes are rarely enforced evenly (girls are usually overpoliced; non-whites as well), and 3) school staff worrying about how students are dressed rather than something relevant to learning is a distraction.
Kids go to school to learn tho, is it not reasonable to expect it to be free from sexual distractions, especially for teenagers? It’s harder to learn in environments like that, just like it’s hard to work a professional job.
I believe that companies shouldn't have dress codes either. Clothing is not indicative of the ability to perform the task required. Clothing is also overly sexualized, the argument is always "woman shouldn't wear a bikini", but that's a product of the over sexualization of women. When a woman showing skin is viewed in a sexual manner, all clothes that show skin are problematic.
It's been said before but also many school dress codes, especially hair codes are overtly racist.
Because we do something wrong in one area in life we must do something wrong in all areas of life?
You are right companies have dress codes. And they are almost never for work that needs it.
Dress code is a great idea and is a way to set standards.
People need to have more respect for themselves and for society.
But we just going down a pit of degradation so happy my country still has some self respect with shirts and ties.
Shirts and ties? How bourgeois. In MY country we still wear ceremonial full plate mail armor.
Lot of pedos in the comments.
I agree with your words but I suspect I don't agree with your motivation.
You really do have to wonder about people who are obsessed with having children dress in a certain way. I don't notice or care how my kids or their friends dress.