DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump
DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump
The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.
Finally! The DNC is finally taking action against the...oh never mind.
I would not consider myself a far leftie, more of a left of center kind of guy, but I have found Hogg’s vivacity refreshing. The old guard should squirm, considering they shat the bed last go-round, and may even have lost us the country.
There are plenty of Bernie Trumpers out there, that feel this country has ignored them. And they’re right in the kinds of nooks and crannies where we need to win.
Hogg is more of a centrist as well, his only sin was threatening the power of party leadership. As far as I know he's pretty much in the middle of the party when it comes to policy issues.
Don’t ever ask for progressives’ vote again. We’re done voting blue no matter who.
So where, pray tell, do the progressive votes go?
Primary them sure. Try and snag it back. But you won't turn your next vote red. You know that. And they know that. And I sure as fuck won't do it either. The DNC can rot. But...
You can and should blame the two party system sure. But if you don't primary and win. Well. We've seen that before again and again.
I'm a progressive that will vote blue again. Reluctantly. Emphatically so. But I will.
The posturing of principals means nothing in our political reality. And it pisses me off. But reality doesn't care about your feelings.
Primary them sure.
Democratic primaries are kabuki. Trying to oust Hogg is just the latest demonstration.
If democrats want our votes, it's time for them to start earning them.
But reality doesn't care about your feelings.
Yeah so... uh... That kinda goes both ways. I've made this argument before so I'm just gonna copy paste it, but lemme just...
Have you ever heard of gambler's ruin? It's the name of a few different results in statistics, but the one we want is this:
In statistics, gambler's ruin is the fact that a gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go bankrupt, regardless of their betting system.
Now in modern US elections, does your bet have a positive or negative expected value for democracy? Is America becoming more or less of a democracy every election on average? Apply the theorem above to your answer and see what you get.
To change the inevitable result, which is fascism in the United States, you have to change the game in some way, and primarying incumbents and voting blue no matter who is what progressives are already doing.
I no longer vote for neoliberals or for folks who receive aipac money.
Period.
I won’t vote for a republican either.
If they want my vote they have to support policies that I do.
Period.
Blue no matter who is how we got here.
Honestly, maybe it's time for progressives to take over the Republican party primary and start moving them left .
I think we need a different color to vote for. Definitely not green, because that party is for shit. But Democrats are functionally useless at this point.
I think I would rather throw my vote away on somebody who challenges the status quo in a progressive way under the Democratic socialist party (or just the plain socialist party) rather than vote for some goddamn Democrat who's going to uselessly wring their hands and then go home to their million dollar mansion and cry about how unfair people are being to their useless ass.
Voting blue hasn't helped cause they think it's your only option so they don't have to actually do anything to earn your vote other than being "not a Republican".
FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
I'M NOT VOTING FOR ANOTHER MODERATE ASSHOLE
The dnc are trying to be "business folk" when their constituents want them to be rebels
No where they sit their ass at home so the red hats don’t come for us for voting for dems who won’t even do a fucking thing to combat this. If I’m going to go on record as being against the regime it better be for a good reason, and this ain’t it
Vote third party, it's the only way to end the Duopoly.
you wait around until next election and wait for the PR firm that republicans hired to sway you not to vote for anyone. EZPZ
So where, pray tell, do the progressive votes go?
Silly wabbit. Progressives don't vote.
I really like the idea of a tea party style takeover. That seems much more actionable and realistic.
No such thing.
The tea party was just billionaires covered in AstroTurf. They bought the Republican party. It's asymmetrical warfare, because the left doesn't have billionaires that profit from our policy goals.
Not to be a doomer, I do think Democrats can be pulled left (kicking and screaming) but I'm not sure how though.
I’m going to assign you a book:
Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals by Saul Alinsky
Do you remember when the right-wing dummies were all shrieking about this book, and how Hillary Clinton was mentored by Alinsky?
It’s because they were following the damn advice in that book - it’s like a checklist of what to do to take over locally, then statewide, etc
I’ve been saying that for 10 years and being called a Russian agent and anti-American and MAGA
Screw choosing the lesser of two evils. You have to give me someone to vote for
Then you get what we got last time: the fascists gain power and make things worse for the masses, the Dem politicians continue being rich and are shielded from the consequences. You only benefit the fascists and hurt yourself if you don't vote for the lesser of two evils.
I think people who are informed but specifically stay home because of Democratic policy positions or vote third party is a relatively small number of people.
It seems to me like far more people just sit out because the Dems are useless. When Harris said the economy was good, people wrote her off as out of touch.
We can argue about whether people should vote for harm reduction all day everyday (like we have been doing). But the fact remains that if Dems don't present a vision for the future that excites people to come out for them, fascists gain power.
Why wouldn't a progressive want to vote blue though? Of the two most likely candidates, they are the least fascist.
Unless you're going the accelerationist route, it makes sense to Vote blue.
The DNC won't improve things because their goal is to maintain the status quo
With these actions they prove their goal is stagnation, not progress.
Why should we reward democrats for taking our votes and betraying us?
By not fighting the fascists they allow them to run rampant. This is accelerationism.
Neoliberals are neither progressive nor leftist. They are protectors of right-wing ur-fascist policy. It’s past time we accept that the DNC is owned and operated by self-serving, rich neoliberal scum and start finding actual progressive, leftist alternatives.
The thing about voting for the “least fascist” is you’re still voting for a fascist.
The energy is better spent preparing to remove the fascists. Get a gun, get organized with your community, build up shared resources, and prepare for the shoe to drop.
It doesn't matter if the party doesn't change. We can keep sleepwalking into it or crash into it, the result will be the same. We must change the Democratic party to avoid disaster.
Proving him right, by doing more to stop him from running than they're doing to stop the fascist takeover
Well technically it's true that DNC are following protocol. Even if Hogg wasn't running challengers to his own party and insulting them publicly, the DNC would still probably be holding the party leadership chair special election later this year.
The DNC is only another wing of the fascist corporatocracy /Kleptocracy /plutocracy their only function is to protect the capitalis that keeps them in power.
2016 primaries were awful. DNC super delegates kept Sanders out, showing the worst aspects of super delegates. Establishment GOP couldn't keep Trump out, showing the worst aspects of a lack of super delegates.
That single act doomed us. Bernie would have smoked trump so hard his kids would have changed their name
Nah, that's probably the only thing I applaud the RNC for. It was very clear that Trump was not their choice, but when their voters spoke, the RNC shrugged and said "alright, let's party." Where the DNC endlessly schemes and plots and weasels its way into running the footgun. Democrat voters groan "no, not the footgun again! What the fuck are you doing?!" And the DNC says "look, you don't understand, it's the footgun's turn, they've earned it. We just need to compromise and blow our legs off one last time. Now is just not the right time to not blow our legs off. Americans just won't vote for not blowing our legs off. And, I mean, what are they going to do? Vote for the guy with legs? Lol, lmao. Now hand me that gun."
They argued the same thing in the NY 2016 primary case. You know... the one where 120,000 people in King's County just randomly got bumped off voter rolls a few weeks before the primaries with no recourse for registration.
These roll Purges occurred all over the country. I got purged during the 2016 primary in California but there was still plenty of time to reenroll despite the lack of warning.
I volunteered to work at a poll and countless numbers of voters were forced to vote with provisional ballots. Which meant they would be thrown away because they weren't registered to vote (but they had been at that location for years and were registered to vote)
more or less the same donors as the gop, they arnt different, the only reason some of them are EVEN dems is that they are not right wing enough to be palatable to republican voters. they also make backdoor deals often, it was pretty obvious when mitch was still in control of the senate.
Okay comrade. You know that Communism is every bit as bad as Fascism and that Stalin was a mass murderer right?
Is communism in the room with you? Nobody was talking about out communism
The DNC is the primary reason we live under an authoritarian manbaby, Hogg isn't wrong
We can't stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
There needs to be an age and income bracket limit for people in government service, these rich geriatric fucks are going to get us all killed.
We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
Holy shit, yes! I'd take it a step further and say "we can't stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to anyone pushing us to be an actual opposition". Ten democrats joined the republicans in voting to censure Al Green for having the absolute audacity to yell at the guy shredding the constitution instead of sitting quietly until leaving quietly while wearing a #resist shirt.
We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
Elder liberals telling younger voters/activists to STFU and get in line, then blaming them when turnout sags and conservative democrats lose purple seats, is the tragedy of the modern era.
I think the primary reason is all of the fascists, but sure neoliberalism and inevitable decline etc
Well, democrats can change the latter.
I suppose they tried to change the former by trying to appeal to fascists.
Certainly one of the reasons, but I don't think it's the primary one. 'Murica having so many places with a culture that can be summed up as "extremely individualistic and patriotic xenophobes" is what I'd blame first.
Trump only got 30% of possible voters, it isn't that MAGA outnumbers sane people
It's that a ton of progressives just decided not to vote this year
You cannot reform the party. Either it changes you, or they have you removed.
Yes, the Democrats occupy and monopolize the space for a leftist party. That does not mean the Democrats are leftist, nor ever will be.
I think there's plenty of Americans that are just fucking sick of both parties and government overreach even if they don't agree on all left vs right issues.
How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party? All these fucks that scammed Americans by talking about removing unnecessary regulations literally only removed the necessary ones and created some new ones in addition. I vote civil libertarian. Our slogan can be just respect civil rights and liberties, and stay the fuck out of everyone else's business.
Can't do shit with the winner takes all, first past the post abomination that is the US system. We need hundreds more senators, absolute defeat of gerrymandering, a dozen more sc justices, ranked choice and the abolishment of the electoral college.
Multiparty system does not work. We should just eliminate parties 100%.
Maybe then I can vote for someone who has a chance of winning, because if they have a R or D next to their name now I will not vote for them
How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party?
What do you mean "finally"? People have been trying that over and over and failing for over 100 years. It would be great to have a multiparty system, but there are unintended structural forces in place that will always prevent that. None of us alive today created this system. We are all stuck with it just like you. But ignoring reality just makes someone into a lifetime loser. There is nothing you can gain by making yourself into a lifetime loser.
Because the parties aren’t the main problem. The entire system they’ve built is the problem.
We don’t need reform. We need revolution. The only real purpose of our involvement in the electoral system at this point is recruitment, and showing people that the system cannot be reformed. I agree we should continue to push third parties and try to create energetic campaigns behind them, with the primary goal being to force the parties to rig it and show their hand.
"leftist" is not a synonym for "radical" or "Communist". "leftist" covers the entire spectrum of liberal-ultraliberal-radical. You are not going to get people to become Communists/Stalinists by redefining words no matter how hard you try. Lenin and Stalin's biggest victims were the other leftwing socialist political parties, not the rightwing capitalists.
I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation. The corporation doesn't like when underlings call them out on their bullshit
Its legal name as used in court documents is the "DNC Services Corp"
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/17-14194/17-14194-2019-10-28.html
I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation.
Or simply Corruption.
It mostly stands for 'Cunts' at this point cause that's what most of them are.
Fucking moderates, man. We're slowly walking towards some dumb, horrifying shit.
Jenkins, did you hear that young master Hogg expects us to actually help the Plebs?! Egads, didn't anyone explain to him that that's a bit? Jenkins, I need you to get in the private jet and pay Schumer a visit-- no, Jenkins, thirty minutes is much too far to drive-- and also pass along this stock tip. We need to catch this Hogg before the Plebs start getting ideas, like expecting us to work, ha ha.
This whole situation is best summed up by this. If they were putting this much effort into fighting for the actual working class issues they would have won the previous election... Make of that what you will.
Democrats aren't, and never were, a working class party
FDR?
8 hour work day? 40hr week?
It's easy to dunk on today's dems but please don't write off actual history.
[Indeed, Hogg’s PAC, Leaders We Deserve, recently announced an initiative to fund young primary challengers in Democratic races.]
Hey that is pretty cool. We need lots more people like Hogg and AOC and Sanders.
I admire Hogg for trying to change things from the inside, as it were, but the DNC is definitely complicit in our current slide into authoritarianism. Until they wake up and embrace the progressive movement championed by Bernie and AOC, I have little hope for the mainstream democratic party
Trump is on a mission to crash our economy, disappear people without due process, and participate in flagrant public corruption — and voters still trust him more than Democrats,” Hogg said in his statement. “That is a massive indictment of our party.”
Thats a damning statement
It’s damned accurate.
I trust Trump to be trump. I don’t trust the DNC to calculate a tip
He's right. There's no two ways about it, and I think it's nuts that you've got DNC enjoyers out here basically being like "okay, but you're being stupid, I swear if we just ran Hillary/Biden ticket in '28 and campaigned on only some tax cuts for billionaires and only partial suspension of Habeus Corpus, we'd win"
Its a double damning statement.
If they KEEP Hogg then they MIGHT have to Try a New Plan BESIDES Letting Americans Suffer Under Trump with LITERALLY NO PUSHBACK WHATSOEVER!
DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump
This title feels like a bit of a gaslight considering hes being ousted for saying his party doesn't represent their voters anymore. While not standing up to trump is part of it, its a smaller issue than the truth that the dems stopped giving a shit about their voters long ago.
God it must be so easy to be a republican, just blame everything on immigrants and do whatever you want to them, simultaneously not pissing off your rich owners, and making your dipshit voting base happy. Its a win-win scenario where only the country loses.
He's actually being made to run for party leadership chair position later this year because of a challenger submitting that they broke party policy, which is true.
They're not "ousting" anyone, and the process was put into motion months ago before he made any comments about primary challenges.
You can literally just ask the other guy effected by this.
What had happened was the prior DNC didn't follow its own election rules for the vice chair races. Imone of the candidates who lost challenged it, and a committee ruled that the fair way to handle it was redo the election, but this time follow the rules.
The DNC chair is encouraging both the winners, and anyone else who wants to run, to run.
Like, if you know what's happening, there's not a better way to clean up the mistakes of the last DNC chair.
But the reason the media wants people to hate the DNC, is the people who own the media don't own the DNC anymore
*affected
Sorry. Minor pet peeve.
Behead all of them.
First, they came for all the motherfucking politicans. Then they came for the lobbyists, then the CEOs and billionaires and the propagandists and the corrupt judges. And if they haven't been beheaded yet, they had peace happily ever after!
A lot of the democratic establishment used to have a close relationship with Trump and took his money often over the years. Then Biden even helped him get re-elected by all the lies and nonsense last year.
Things are not as they seem and the plan is clearly not for the establishment Democrats to stand up to Trump, they want him doing exactly what he's doing.
This is because behind the scenes, it really is a uniparty, and the only thing any of them really care about is money.
Political parties and disagreements are for the lower classes.
Yes, Trump has given money to some Democrats in the past over the years. Guess what, Elon Musk used to be an environmental hero to liberal: in other words, people change. Have you ever once looked at the voting records and kinds of bills voted into law by Democrats and Republicans? I seriously doubt it. You just spout "both sides same" rhetoric without looking at the actual receipts.
it really is a uniparty
It's very weird that 1/2 of the "uniparty" always votes to give gigantic GOP tax cuts to billionaires and 1/2 always votes against this.
they are playing thier part, they know the tax cuts will benefit the dnc as well, since most of them are as rich or richer than the GOP, its performative opposition, but a bunch of the dinos vote against any significant bills that could make dems lose thier leverage in future elections.
Clearer Reason as to the main issue:
Into these discussions has stormed the 25-year-old Hogg, who has positioned himself as the man capable of steering the Democrats back on course using lessons learned from their recent losses.
Hogg has criticized his own party for what he views as an alienating stance toward men, and cited the perceived obsession with cultural issues as a major factor in the Republicans' 2024 victories.
"What I think happened last election is younger men—they would rather vote for somebody who they don't completely agree with, they don't feel judged by, than somebody who they do agree with, that they feel like they have to walk on eggshells around," Hogg said during a recent appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher.
Hogg was again thrust into the center of this internal debate after his election to vice chair was deemed to have violated DNC bylaws which encourage gender parity among the party leadership. DNC member Kalyn Free, who lost to Hogg in February and brought the challenge against his victory, said that the committee improperly tallied votes and failed "to distinguish between gender categories in a meaningful way." In doing so, she argued, it "violated its own charter and bylaws, undermining both fairness and gender diversity."
To some, this seemed like irony—the party voiding Hogg's election based on gender-based requirements, after he had criticized it for an overt focus on gender issues. To Hogg it also sniffed of retribution for his wider attempt to recalibrate the Democrats' focus and party makeup.
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-dnc-election-david-hogg-2072004
Sure are a lot of no-avatar .world accounts in here advocating against uniting against Trump and the GOP 🤔
...we have avatars?
Right? I didn't do that profile shit on Reddit, I ain't doing it here either.
Because that supposes there are only two sides and there must be a winner and a loser. Partisanship is what separates it all and the DNC supporting Hillary is what got trump elected in the first place.
Trump has been a Democrat my entire life. He is just an old rich white man which most associate with the GOP. Because all politicians are corrupt and part of the same evil system
I suspect a lot of people don’t use avatars because they aren’t even visible on the app they use to access Lemmy. I don’t think Voyager has them on by default. Maybe I just turned them off a long time ago. Regardless, I don’t think a lack of avatar signals what you think it signals.
Yeah fr it smells like fkin tankie in here.
Everything to the left of netanyahu smells like tankie to you.
Their trying to Bernie the guy. It's the same players again
This sums up my feelings about the fate of the Democratic party.
As a result of a challenge from Kalyn Free, a losing candidate in the election, the committee decided that the election was not conducted properly and that it violated the DNC’s gender parity rules. If the full body of the DNC rules the same way, it will force Hogg and fellow Vice Chair Malcolm Kenyatta to run for election again later this year.
Sounds fair to me. If he wanted people to support him unconditionally then he wouldn't be running spoiler candidates against his own party.
I understand a lot of people don't think the DNC is good enough. But they don't seem to know how good the DNC is in general or even how much better it is than the alternative.
The alternative would be to drop the DLC and parties altogether, which is what should happen.
Partisan politics should not be allowed in the first place
Sounds fair to me.
Anything that keeps the conservative corporate pro-genocide gerontocracy running the party "sounds fair" to you.
What's the alternative? Because the DNC has been doing some real shitty things the past decade.
In the past decade we haven't once given the DNC more than 50 seats. If we had given them 60 we would have public option expanded healthcare, we would be taxing the rich, citizens united wouldn't still exist and all this talk of megarich donors would go away, and men and women would have full body autonomy and reproductive organ control as enshrined rights.
Instead, the alternative is getting fucked by Republicans at every turn and complaining that none of the DNC platform has been achievable even though we gave them 44 fucking seats and a Bernie Sanders.
These shit bags will never learn
People will never learn if they can't make it to the second paragraph:
The old DNC ran a ahitty vice election that broke its own rules.
The current DNC decided via comitte the best way to handle it was to redo the vote. Which is not a big deal for the DNC.
Like, what would you prefer the current DNC do in this scenario?
I mean it's clearly just a pretext. We don't have to pretend to believe their bullshit reasoning.
It might be technically valid, but it's literally being used as an excuse to get rid of him.
Ken Martin(DNC chair) has been whining about Hogg for a while. Being real upset that he's trying to oust incumbents who refuse to do anything.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202
And he doubled down a few days ago: Giving Hogg an ultimatum to take a "neutrality pledge" or step down.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/10/hogg-dnc-chair-ultimatum-00340272
Hogg refused, so now they're pulling this one out.
They knew about it last week, before they gave him an ultimatum. Meaning they were holding it back and waiting for his response. They're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and wanting to follow the rules. If that was the case, they would have gone ahead right away.
It's a matter of interpretation as to whether any rules were actually broken. The DNC has four VPs, two are women and two are men. Given the current controversy and the current crisis of confidence in Democratic leadership, the damage this will do to both the party and public opinion of DEI policies should be weighed against whatever "damage" this procedural issue allegedly did.
The fact that this issue started moving months ago is irrelevant. The decision is being made now, and nobody with a brain is going to believe that this isn't being done, at least in part, to protect useless incumbents that don't belong in the Democratic party.
But you gotta vote every 4 years for the people who actively hate you and do nothing about Trump!!! How else are people going to be saved?!
So the people in control want to raise taxes on billionaires and/or corporations like the last 3 Dem presidents did? I don't think so.
Hogg is just another of the shitbags.
Yes, he wants to rid the party of useless incumbents, but he's not trying to get rid of the architects of Democratic failure. He's trying to replace a select few useless old incumbents with young corporate centrists. He wants us to conflate "young" with "progressive", while he runs Baby Hillary and Nancy Junior.
The entire DNC - including Hogg - needs to be flushed
If Hogg were attempting to further entrench centrist hegemony, party leadership wouldn't be opposing him.
What the actual fuck are you talking about
I'll take ramblings from a moron for 200 Alex.
Jesus fucking Christ, dude. Get off the internet for a few days.