That's exactly what I'm saying with it too. All of this started out as a place to share and collaborate and to reject the stuff that made all other industries rotten.

We had something amazing and we let it rot on our watch and that's something we can't ever fix but I don't think we should forget how badly we fucked up. And how we fucked up should be remembered in case we ever get any new frontier.

YouTube never had ads. We all just shared videos. It was a big deal every time they brought it in. Pewdie pi made a fortune and it was all over from there.

Ill never support any of these content creators or buy any subscriptions. None of this should have been monetized. Advertising is out of control and it was already bad before the internet. Some of us are experiencing an ad 24/7 a day now.

But why do they need to make a living creating content.

We should go back to hobbyist sharing videos of their hobby and interest for the love of it instead of a guy trying to make money by jumping into trendy hobbies and creating bland generic content until the algorithm picks them.

It would reduce so much noise online and the stuff we would be left with would be people who have the best content. It would eliminate the drama and toxic crap for views.

Mind explains what is far fetched about it?

There was an opioid crisis where drug makers sold pills to the public that the public did not need and they used doctors to sell them.

There is an advertising epidemic where industry is working to push ads into every space we listen, look or experience and they are using content creators to justify it

Both have a large well funded industry. Both require an interface between public and the industry to sell their product. Both push products to people who don't need them by using these interfaces to bullshit, lie and leverage their authority to sell the product. And in one case we blame the interface in the other we say " they aren't responsible they are just making money" so why?

Too fucking many. But replace him with any of them. Speed, H2, Moist, donkey something. We use to have to walk uphill both ways in the snow to see content.

If Netflix ads were just energy drinks and VPN then you're cool with them adding these tiers?

Honest to god question. How many hours a day are you OK being spent on being sold something. What is your ratio of content to ads.

That's your time by the way. My full belief is anyone trying to sell me anything needs to pay me. Not a content creator. That's my time I barely have any of it to give so when 1 hr out of 3 hrs I got to relax is spent being sold shit I'm pretty pissed.

And it isn't like I can. Just opt to enjoy ad free content creators. They no longer exist because the ones that monetized it. That's the part I hate most.

Sure, or accept that you participating in that industry will always lead to this stuff.

What do people want here. In what world do you think you can separate the two things. Monetizing content through ads and marketing and a world where ads and marketing are not capitalized on.

We all had to stop this decades ago when it was a tiny little part of the internet. You can't kill it once its tendrils are in every corner its grown into Fafnir

You all have to get better at listening to the crazy ranting of random strangers with hair triggers and obsess over things you don't care about. Otherwise the future is bleek

What's even crazier is kids today will never realize the freedom that the first few decades of the internet was when the topic of information scarcity was supposed to end.

We were all so against the idea that capitalist and opportunistic people could artificially create scarcity to make us all pay more. They did it through monopolies on industry's that choked out smaller competitors. The internet was a new frontier that was supposed to reject that. We could digitally copy and share everything. Hero's shot up and built all kinds of amazing tools and things. Then it got popular and we recreated the same scarcity issues within decades. Everything trapped behind walls and monetized. Instead of open courseware at Berkeley we favored monthly subscriptions to udemy.

This is the average 6 year olds dream right now. A life where they can emulate a NASCAR fender and live that twitch life just like their heroes Pewdie and Moist and whatever else. Those kids grow up with that mentality and end up shaping a new generation pulling away from what all this could have been.

Would you put blame on doctors for contributing to the opioid?

I see it the same. Every one bares responsibility. And even though a big chunk is on the pharma and media companies. There is still the pusher

Told people this years ago when pewdie pie became a millionaire selling ads. Like that was the time to wake up and hate every single one of these content creators for selling out and making the internet the hellscape this is. But no we Revere and emulate these people.

Its all good. Just coast until retirement, healthcare system is soooooo good to the elderly. Last 5 years of your life sleeping on a plastic hospital mattress eating mashed potatoes 7 days a week.

If we steal IP from China does the American government give us a business loan?

Censoring books due to reasons like "these books provide a point of view I'm not comfortable exposing my kids too" is usually a bad reason to censor books.

Problem I see is its all a pendulum on these issues where the reaction swings wildly back and forth the more energy were putting into it rather than having it settle the fuck down.

For instance these books being removed aren't produced in spite of this issue. But for sure if we dig into censorship topic then pro censorship groups start bringing out books to be edgy cunts and prove a point.

Every issue has edge cases and we live in a time where people are so willing to be right they will make every edge case the center of an issue. Like in order to keep Maus on shelves we will now need to have a copy of Bomb making 101 or a book were one of these people wrote FUCK a million times just so they can get anti censorship people to say "hey that isn't cool guys" but also the problem is I often find people are so militant in our beliefs that we have a hard time saying "that isn't cool" when faced with something not cool but also that grinds against our moral beliefs

Only if these books are inscribed on the side of a Glock

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I iron like a mother fucker. Its so satisfying smoothing everything out.

Fuck you wrinkles

See I don't really follow this stuff to hard. But that's what I found funny was what you said sort of. These guys were the guys who write papers and study the rise of fascists and especially a focus on the Nazi's and their opinion the were bringing up was that its not a predictive tool. Its something that is useful to look backwards and hypothesis what lead to a rise but it doesn't work looking forward as well and can often be used to be a pretty big political hammer regardless of accuracy and that we should be more careful with it.

The way I see it, the left had a good go and had the right on the ropes and lost it in the last 15 - 20 years. Not 50.

I saw a systematic push to pretty much remove the left from the internet and weight the algorithms towards right wing issues while vilifying the left as pompous know it all's and out of touch with the regular man. Which is crazy because 15 years ago most people would have agreed with so many of the values that are vilified today.

Canadian sub reddits is a perfect example. One day accounts started showing up and laying into anyone looking to do discuss politics. And then hammered them over and over. Then a new sub showed up specifically for left leaning Canadians that drew the ones who didn't want confrontation towards. At the same time the moderation team started recruiting and low and behold were hammered with right wing applications until they have what is essentially moderators from the r/The_Donald. Now there's multiple Canadian sub reddits and almost all are heavy right leaning to the point you can't post even moderate stuff. It all has to be headlines like "Lookie what these brown fellas are doing now".

Crazy times. Even saw voices that were kind of cool become social pariahs as online users seemed to unanimously agree that "science guy 1" was faking it and pompous and "science guy 2" was also a giant piece of shit. We're not even leftists but were people who would convince people to think critically and question even your own views. Could not let those channels and people grow. We all had to read about their vocal fry every time they posted a video. Decimated engagement for every voice the left tended to enjoy and who acted as lightning rods for different ideas and values such as common sense and logic were knee capped by the denizens of these newly seized territories who all unanimously agreed that these people were annoying. And since we're social creatures, if you have 1000 voices saying someone is annoying and 10 say "what the fuck is going on in this comment section" we all tend to really focus on the annoying bits wondering about it ourselves until its just a truth. Meanwhile middle aged Comedian with views like "Students are shitting in litter boxes" and "Maybe wearing masks will kill you" were amplified.

Internet was a new frontier and seems like groups that had resources really seized on the opportunity to take back territory so they could relay a foundation that was pro their own cause. I think the left had a big part in helping without realizing it because they just didn't care to see what was happening. Like a death by 10 000 paper cuts.

Maybe we're all just fucking bored Kyle! and need a change every now and then to feel something, anything; to take our minds off this revolving hamster wheel of mundanity

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