Kamala Harris Asks Americans: Are You Really Going to Elect a Guy Who Has Good Things to Say About Hitler?
Kamala Harris Asks Americans: Are You Really Going to Elect a Guy Who Has Good Things to Say About Hitler?
Yes of course they will. Trumps cultists know exactly what he is and they vote for him because of that.
It's sad how true that is. I was talking with a conservative about the "enemy within" shit and with a straight face he said that's how half the country feels. Ok dog, see you on the other side of the civil war I guess.
Sadly, politics are so fed up that I have to agree with something Trump has said: He can shoot someone in Times Square and not lose a single vote.
That's what happens with cults.
As Cady Heron once famously said, "The limit does not exist." Nothing, absolutely nothing, will cause him to lose support. The people who support him love him more than anything, and they will do whatever it takes to support him. They will break their own moral code, they will bend over backwards to make his rhetoric fit their morals, they will turn their back on everything they've ever known or loved if that's what it takes to continue to support him. Because he is the most important thing in their lives.
Idk how old you are but there used to be discussions about how we can beat terrorists, a group of people who willingly kill themselves to inflict damage. How do you beat an enemy in war who views their own death as a victory?
That's what we're up against with trump. There is no inroad, there is no common ground, there is no logic. It's a cult, plain and simple. How do you stop someone who wants to die for their cause? Maybe trump supporters don't want to literally die for him, but they damn sure would give up everything else for him.
What if he shot a supporter though?
That supporter was secretly working for the Deep State.
Cheney did. That friend then went on national television to apologize for being in the way of his shot.
It was self-defense! It was only a matter of time before that supporter realized what Trump was really doing, and they weren't likely to be happy about it.
No true Scotsman gymnastics then carry on as "normal"
I disagree my good sir. If Trump shoots someone, there might be a possibility he gets an increase in votes.
If Harris shot someone in Times Square right now, would she lose your vote?
Yes, just like if Trump raped someone, he would lose my vote.
Oh my bad, did I just "whataboutism?"
Depends, who did she shoot?
I understand the concept of appealing to a better nature but, ma'am this is America. We still revere Henry Ford, we imported Nazi scientists because of some self imposed space race. Outside of WW2, (where we didn't even voluntary join we needed to be attacked first) our history shows were far far more likely to ignore or tacitly support fascism. Be careful asking questions you don't want the answer to Harris.
We still revere Henry Ford
I wonder how many Americans know about Ford's quest to reignite antisemitism in Europe by foisting "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" books at every one of his overseas car dealerships.
I wonder if we'll shove all Elon Musk's reactionary bullshit down the rabbit hole when his legacy think tank full of right wing psychos is sponsoring the next generation of History Channel and TLC episodes.
Reagan: "If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism"
The politically literate: "But, Ronny, you're a (neo)liberal!"
Sadly, yes.
I'm really hoping "It's a close race..." is code for "Harris is favored to win, but we rigged the polls to show them neck and neck so that there's still a news cycle."
I'm worried cause I see the Democrats doing the "smart" thing of finding the exact counties they need to win. And aggressively pushing and trying to play to them alone.
And that doesn't seem like a smart strategy. In fact it feels like Hillary or Disney's failings where playing it safe and doing "smart" math doesn't work to do something productive and barely scrapes them by.
I don't see this being a landslide. And I'm worried their math will mean nothing in the real world.
Hopefully it's that and not "we rigged the polls to give some credibility to whatever bs Trump is planning".
Oh God!
“It’s a close race…” is code for
Nothing so auspicious. It's more "we never actually have a clue, because our job is to sell ads not tell you useful information".
News media had Obama in a tight race when it was a blowout. They had Hilary in a blowout when it was a nail biter. They called Florida for Al Gore early on election night. They aren't honest or useful or knowledgeable in any way that makes them a valuable source of information.
there is a 100% chance of Harris winning the popular vote. Unfortunately billions of dollars spent on like 100,000 people in 7 states will be what decides the election and there's a 1% chance of a tie which will throw it to the house of reps for some reason.
The need to reform the electoral college and ban gerrymandering has never been greater
Yes because there's a lot of Nazis and Nazi sympathizers in America currently.
Calling Trump a fascist just makes his supports love him even more.
It also reinforces who he is to less hard core supporters which may have a positive effect over time.
Americans only hate Hitler because he's a loser. If he'd won in Europe, we'd lionize him the same way we celebrate reactionaries like Churchill, Reagan, and Shinzo Abe or despots like MBS, Duterte, and Modi.
trump literally compared himself to Victor Orban
The brown shirts loved Adolph.
this kind of rhetoric will never work against somebody who was already president. Her campaign has made a mistake, which honestly shouldn't be big enough to crash the election but its the US and the electoral college who the fuck knows how 5000 psychopaths in swing states are going to vote after being bombarded with record breaking levels of insane propaganda..
It should be clear that the easy way to campaign on trump is to hit him hard in the economy: He had to bailout farmers because of his first round of tariffs. US steel still hasn't recovered. Trump tariffs will not only raise prices but the resulting bailouts will drastically increase inflation and eventually he will run out of scapegoats to blame his failures on so however loyal to trump you seem to be, eventually he will blame you and send the military on you for criticizing him
edit: Just to clarify what she's saying is correct, its just that voters swayable to this argument have already picked sides.
I really don't understand why neither the Harris or Biden campaign just roiled out footage of the Covid-19 lockdown in a short film titled "Literally the last time this motherfucker was in charge"
Cause ya know, that would work...
the neonazis and white supremicists and basically all the butthurt bumpkins will
Some of them will.
He wasn’t even a good artist.
Didn't they already do that at least once?
The direct Hitler praise hadn't come out before 2016. There were certainly many other serious red flags though.
I don't like to judge people black on white.
Hitler did kill Hitler, so there's something good to say about him
Does she really wants the answer to that or is that a joke question?
Yes. Yes they will.
There is the autobahn... thankfully the US already has what is probably the best highway system in the world, so NOT a reason to elect Trump.
"the best highway system in the world"
😐
He just completed the already planned roads...
ML loves him.
I'm voting for harris but I had no clue about lemmy or what i was doing when I signed up lol, at least it wasn't hexbear. I'm probably just going to stop using this website though due to the amount of people who are hostile towards me just because of something next to my name, literally some lame reddit shit, but that makes sense when you realize this website is just snobby redditors who got too snobby for reddit
Edit: you guys are actually dumber than redditors, im off this shit platform that's never gonna succeed anyway, you are all the worst embodiment of a "redditor" adios I'll just talk to my real life friends more often lmao
Well you can migrate your account, you know, away from that pro dictatorship site and just carry on as usual.
Just migrate to World or Lemm.ee. Sorry people suck.
literally some lame reddit shit
Its literally not, though? Its a specific website full of people who generally have a low intelligence (whether real or faked) and the incessant need to argue, usually in bad faith.
Lemmy shows your site of origin for a reason, communities tend to be similar to each other. You chose one that has earned community hate unknowingly, but you can just migrate if you don't like it
Or, keep whining and saying snarky shit like "snobby redditors who got too snobby for reddit" because that actually fits in perfectly with how whiney .ml users tend to be
Some ml users, I'm sure, are good people.
Yeah, it sucks. I wouldn't attribute it to a platform but just to how we are. It's tribalism for one part, and people attributing malice to just plain ignorance. I don't mean ignorance as a negative, but just unaware of the politics / social dynamics of the instance you decided to create an account on
I think most of us got banned too many times.
I'm not so worried about what they're both saying as much as the fact that they're both actively supporting a holocaust.
Damn, if only there was someone in history other than Hitler to praise for investing in infrastructure, speaking charismatically, and being in power while other people built cool buildings. 🤨
Guess we’ll have to ignore the extremely obvious context of praising Hitler for any reason whatsoever, because it’d be terrible to be unnuanced about a mass murdering bigot.
I'm not praising Hitler at all. I'm only saying that people are deliberately ignoring that he didn't do everything he did because he wanted to be evil, but because he had a (horrible) vision for the world. And not all aspects of that vision where inherently evil.
Humans just have the tendency to put everything into boxes of good or bad. It's uncomfortable if something is not fitting 100% into one of those boxes. And from my experiences people almost never fit 100% into those boxes.
Even serial killers sometimes have grandmas they lovingly took care of.
Even child-rapists have friends they support when they need help.
Sure they still are monsters - but they still are humans, too
There aren't many things in life that are truely black and white. That being said, hitler IS one of those things.
Hitler = bad guy.
There is no arguement. None. NONE.
Zip it.
I never said he was a good guy? I just said that not everything he did was bad.
Are you disagreeing that his vision about the Autobahn or the founding of Volkswagen or the construction of things like the Olympiastadion are not good things despite the huge amount of horrible shit he did?
Are you not acknowledging that he was more charismatic in his speeches than many other people despite all the hateful things he fueled using that skill?
How is it so hard to see someone that's clearly an enemy of everything we stand for today as a human and not as some supernatural evil? I think doing this is just helping the populists divide their countries even faster. There needs to be an understanding of why people follow those kind of guys and which things they are doing are not inherently evil to see why people were drawn to those characters.
I'm not saying you should compromise with Nazis. I'm in fact politically active here in Germany to oppose the CDU making deals with the AfD on a local level. I'm only saying that even the Nazis didn't do things because they wanted to be evil - they did it because they had a different (horrible) vision of the world. I think it's important to not see anyone as 100% evil as that is just a very cheap way to not have to think about uncomfortable things
Nobody needs to invoke Hitler to say infrastructure spending is good.
It was just an example because just last week someone was claiming Germany should stop using the Olympiastadion in Berlin only because it was constructed for propaganda reasons.
The fact that Hitler is responsible for that doesn't necessarily make it bad. A horrible person can also do a few things right. You can acknowledge that without praising the guy.
Do you actually think that's what Trump likes about him? It appears black and white to us because we know that ain't it.
No of course not - Trump's a huge buffoon that loves dictators just for the fact that they are dictators. I was just referencing the "Are You Really Going to Elect a Guy Who Has Good Things to Say About Hitler?"-Part, since that in itself for me is not automatically a negative.
Ignoring that Hitler had positive traits, too, and pretending that people voted for a guy that was evil in all aspects is convenient but very dangerous - especially since it enables people voting for populists like Trump to pretend that he can't be as bad as Hitler (which is probably the case - but if Hitler is painted as this absolute evil it's actually very easy to make this claim without a second though. If you see Hitler as an opportunistic asshole that wasn't inherently evil just for the sake of it then that comparison is a lot closer.
Demonizing Hitler as some kind of comic-book villain is ignoring how complex the situation leading up to him becoming leader of the Third Reich was and how people didn't see him for how bad he was until it was too late.
He said he wanted his military generals to look like Hitler's
In their book, The Divider: Trump in the White House, Peter Baker and Susan Glasser reported that Trump asked John Kelly, his chief of staff at the time, “Why can’t you be like the German generals?”
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According to Baker and Glasser, Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” This correction did not move Trump to reconsider his view: “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president responded.
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This week, I asked Kelly about their exchange. He told me that when Trump raised the subject of “German generals,” Kelly responded by asking, “‘Do you mean Bismarck’s generals?’” He went on: “I mean, I knew he didn’t know who Bismarck was, or about the Franco-Prussian War. I said, ‘Do you mean the kaiser’s generals? Surely you can’t mean Hitler’s generals? And he said, ‘Yeah, yeah, Hitler’s generals.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/
Democracy is all about that gray area where compromises are found
That gray area which allows for oppressing the masses in order to enrich the few? I am happy to say that human economic activity, as immoral as it is, seems to be reducing the chances of humans surviving. Good riddance to this kind of ignorant trash, and I hope your money helps your descendants when your decisions kill them.
I'd live to overthrow capitalism today rather than tomorrow - I just know that there are too many egoistic assholes out there that would just abuse whatever socialist system we would implement to fuck people over. The same kind of people that today have established themselves as billionaires - only that today it's only a couple that managed that and I'd assume that between 20 and 40% of the population are completely ignorant of others if they think it helps themselves in the short term.
All I'm saying is that we should work together towards a goal that helps everyone instead of splitting the population and creating infighting which only helps those that are already on top.
If there was a common ground between Democrats and Republicans that certainly would be a shared interest to limit the power and wealth of "the elite" - it's just that both sides have made it impossible to even talk about common ground and within both parties those wanting to reduce the wealth and influence of rich people are the minority and to divided to act.
Rich coming from administration that veto every call for ceasefire or humanitarian aid against a genocide happening life on the internet. Since start of this October people in Jabalia has been under a clear plan of genocide, burned alive in hospital beds, an no where to go.
Supporting a genocidal regime is the same as supporting hitler.
And you think Trump will be better? No, Jill Stein isn't going to win.
Well Trump is also saying good things about Genocide that's what the article about.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Isn't it common knowledge at this point that Jill Stein is literally a spoil candidate who only ever seems to exist every four years as a "I'm a Leftist, but I only have bad things to say about Democrats, what a coincidence?" candidate with an uncomfortably large amount of ties to Russia?
He didn't say that, you just jumped into but Jill stein
Cool but since you're such a smarty, you know that Harris is not the head of the current regime, so only a fucking idiot would think that voting for her is tacitly giving a pass to genocide, and only a colossal idiot would think Trump is a better choice, and only a titanic idiot would abstain from voting in such a consequential election.
Since you didn't bother even to gloss over the basics I assume you agree. On account of how very very smart and clever you are.
We are gonna elect the person enabling a holocaust like Hitler
So... Do you honestly believe that Trump would do anything to stop Israel? They're killing Muslims, the only thing the GOP loves more than demonizing the Jewish.
Netanyahu is actively supporting Trump because he knows he'll enable him to be way more aggressive inside Gaza.
People that still use this are just Trump-Bots that want to seed doubt so less people vote for Harris
So lets let Harris continue what's actually going on so the hyperbole of what trump might do doesnt happen.
I would argue that Trump would be way worse for Gaza, he seems to be of the mindset of "kill the weak and be done" so for him to "fix" the middle east, would probably just be to bomb the shit out of everyone until they stop fighting.
He doesn't strike me as a great peace maker, more like a
dictator on day one
I don't think you fully understand what you are saying. You are saying that Trump will be worse for Gaza and Palestine...while all of this has been happening under Biden's administration and with his support (the constant UN vetoes and the constant selling of weapons).
The Palestinian genocide has always been happening with the blessing of the US government. From that point of view, right now both candidates are exactly as good for Palestine. As in, they are not.
Liberals only hate him because he says the quiet things out loud. The exact same things are happening right now but it's being done in the background so it's tolerable for liberals to consume. They don't care about what's going on only that it's presented in a pretty paackage
Yes, surely donald "finish the job" trump will broker peace.
I'm not sure that anticolonialist is saying Trump is a better choice. They might be implying that it is sad that the American populace always has to pick between two choices which cause harm, and I agree that is a situation worth mentioning.
If they explicitly reply with 'Trump is better', I will strongly disagree.
The weapons and money being provided by Biden/Harris is allowing them to finish the job right now.
To use your analogy of the holocaust, we are Japan in this situation. While we can do something its so little as to be borderline fuck all. Best we could do is arrange an accident with Netanyahu, but yet again that could make it worse.
When something is wrong, taking a stand against it isn't only about it being effective. It's about showing publicly that something is wrong.
I don't kidnap people and force them to live in my compost bin. When I hear of others acting in this way, I condemn it. Me not doing this does not effectively stop others from doing it. But I still do it, as it is my moral duty.
I believe that killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals is at least as bad as the action I just described.
Okay this is nothing more than American copium. Israel survives off American aid and trade, and threatening to cut either off would get them to back off faster than you could say genocide. This isn't theory; it's been done before.
So Reagan was able to do something, Thatcher was able to do something, Baby Bush was able to do something. But Biden can't?
America tends to elect someone representing the interests of those who have money and power. And those who have money and power seem to accept that brown foreign people have to die so they can make money selling arms.
This is terrible, but it is also normal, and also people like making money. So people will, far too often, let it slide. And when you let something like that slide, you rationalise how you're not a bad person, so you victim blame.
This is one more reason why I am not completely unhappy about the possibility of humans ending their own existence through economic activity. Sadly, they will take many other species with them.
He sleeps with My New Order by Hitler next to his bed. Wants to be a dictator on day 1. Sees good people at a Nazi march. Wants generals like Hitler’s. By George he just may be a Nazi. - Edited
Didn't Hitler's generals try to assassinate Hitler?
Source
Yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_von_Stauffenberg
Even Hitler tried to assassinate Hitler
Hitler wasn’t all bad, he did kill Hitler.
Shame he waited until the end, instead of doing it at the start though.
After they started losing I believe they did.
The only good thing they did, well tried to do.
Yes, pretty sure it may have been multiple times. Rommel was implicated in one of the plots and was why he was forced to commit suicide.
Yes, but you have to remember Trump's a "Very Stable Genius"
Not Mein Kampf, but rather My New Order, which is a collection of Hitler's speeches. Trump is a fan of Hitler's propaganda and rhetoric specifically.
Does he actually read though? Dude is weird, I guess, maybe its like some kind of security blanket; we gotta love the most racist guy we can find even though he lost his wars and shot himself in the head.
But her emails, I mean but his son's laptop, I mean....
Never did I suspect this Stephen Lynch song to not feel completely outlandish.