they tried to come for me but they cant !!!!!! fuck that cracker. edit shout out to our great mods like @corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net , youve made this website a safe space for me where I dont have to censor myself.

I would never censor a comrade unless needed. Violence against snow roaches is absolutely not something id ever delete a post for. This is a shitposting site first and foremost. Thank you for the kind words!
- This is mayocide erasure 😔
- snow roaches
Lmao right?
- My understanding talking to black people (and other oppressed groups) about when they say shit like that about the group that oppresses them is that yes, its venting.
- yes because racist systemic violence is a well known plague upon fucking whites

Can't we at least try?

By god I'm doing my best. I'm busting out slurs for the Welsh and Swedes not heard since HP Lovecraft walked the Earth
- As a celt, I recommend Leek Fuckers and Emo Scots.
- opening my 400 page tome titled "Sheep Fornication References - a guide to racial epithets"
- Worth noting that slurs Lovecraft would use for the Welsh would designate them as non-white compared to the "truly white" anglo-saxons.
Please go right ahead! I encourage it. Honkies bad (comrades excluded)
What was that list of "slurs" for white people? There were some good ones IIRC. "Ice monkey", "bleach demon", and so on
- I had it bookmarked! you can access the full scribed doc through the embed.
  I humbly submit "Boreal Demon" to the list
- As a whitey myself I've always found "Yakubian devil" fucking hilarious tbh
- Cum skin, mayo monster, and the evergreen and always classic white devil.
- Boomers have a bunch of old school slurs for white people from specific countries. Might be worthy bringing some back
- unseasoned
- Snow Roach apparently comes from kpop fans and it's one of the only good things they ever devised.
- Colonizer
- White demon
We must imagine honky-hating Sysyphus happy.

Racism against BIPOC: police brutality and profiling, forced sterilization, syphilis shots, fetal deformities due to exposure to dangerous chemicals, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, slavery, smallpox blankets, etc.

Racism against whiteys: waaah waaah you reminded me of how I'm complicit in a system of exploitation that I personally benefit from waaah waaah you called me a mean word too waaah staaaahp making fun of meeeeee waaaaaaaah :(((((((

How is this thread turning into a struggle session? Im seeing arguments out of hexbear users that I hear from my apolitical gamer friends when I tell them they shouldnt care about someone calling them cracker…

It is still important to try though

i've never loved this framing, not because i think it's wrong to call white people krakkker and mayo (never gonna stop doing this

) but because it feels like a semantic squabble with limited utility.

like, white liberals have a common understanding of the word racism which is pretty... shallow: essentially just being mean to someone based on race or racial characteristics. this simplistic definition of the word reveals a lack of understanding of what racism-- institutionally and culturally enforced otherization-- actually entails for those deemed other. but i hate arguing definitions and semantics, like asserting that a word can't map to multiple concepts simply isn't how words and language work. i'm more inclined to tell someone that their experience of racism is remarkably shallow and acute than deny that the word racism can map onto such shallow and acute experiences.

As I type this I suppose "limited utility" isn't actually accurate, this kind of rhetoric can serve a few purposes: force people who still identify with their whiteness, exude white fragility, to either deconstruct their identity or out themselves and leave the group. maybe it's just the way people focus on semantics that bothers me.

it's more than that, actually. this thread gives me a vibe that I feel fairly frequently within online leftist spaces, not really unique to this topic. it's the misconception that because we're right (we are) we don't need to be tactful or strategic about how we do things, suggesting an underlying assumption that the universe trends towards rightness or justice or whatever. which i don't think it does. like, just because something's right or justified doesn't make it the most effective tactic to achieve our goals. i'm always "justified" in being the most aggressive leftist i want to be, but more often than not (at least irl) it's more effective to hide my power level and blend in, slowly advancing ideas without raising peoples' defenses.

so take this topic as an example (which I could go either way on, this is just an example). the function of this thread seems to be to re-enforce a sort of "party line" about how we define the word, which is fine I suppose. but that seems to preclude any talk of tactics, because any question of whether this rhetoric is effective is conflated with questioning whether this rhetoric is right/justified. another example, the idea that any bullying of soon-to-be/current/former soldiers is justified. It is, they're imperialist war criminals, but there still may be utility in trying to get through to them on some level.

it makes me think of mass line, specifically "unite the advanced, win over the intermediate, and isolate the worst of the backward." Most people are intermediate, and most of the intermediate have backwards traits and beliefs (especially white people in the US), but there has to be a balance between isolating people with one or two "backwards" views, at the expense of the movement, and allowing reactionary views to fester and grow within the movement, also undermining it. looking at it in a more granular way, in some contexts it may be more useful to move people from "backwards intermediate" to "advanced intermediate" or whatever, than some sort of "radicalize or bust". no historical movement has been made up of ideologically pure, advanced masses, they've been mixed bags that are able to unite a critical mass of overlapping/intersecting interests.

this thread gives me a vibe that I feel fairly frequently within online leftist spaces, not really unique to this topic. it's the misconception that because we're right (we are) we don't need to be tactful or strategic about how we do things, suggesting an underlying assumption that the universe trends towards rightness or justice or whatever. which i don't think it does.
Excellent, excellent point.
i get where you're coming from, but in this specific instance, a non-white user was reacting to some absolutely vile casual white supremacist posts. tactics, messaging, optics, whatever, not really the issue here. if some dummy white person saw that and got their feelings hurt because they're not a hitler lover, then i think some mockery is a perfectly reasonable way to help them either get over themselves or leave. they can get their degree in antiracism and basic social awareness on some other web forum.
- yeah I have a habit of using a specific post/thread to go on a spiel about a tangentially-related thing that's been on my mind. or directed at the general vibe i get in a thread versus the post itself
  i generally agree with the reported comment and think someone like the reporter is likely not worth any effort or consideration whatsoever
- If you’re already ceding a descriptivist account of language, arguing that white isn’t a race is probably foreclosed.
- Most liberals would agree with what we were saying if we specified we were talking about systemic racism
  You hit the correct way to go about this on the head.

It's actually quite a commonly heard rumor in scientific circles that Soviet scientists developed a method for racism against whites in the late 1950's, but the team leading the effort along with all their equipment and notes were destroyed in the Nedelin catastrophe when they first attempted to test deployment of it on an ICBM.

Also context for any shitlibs who are crying over this (not that it should matter) - that thread was showing how popular outright nazism and white supremacy are on Reddit. Literally whiteys calling for concentration camps.

- Bro white people aren't real, stop getting offended on behalf of an identity only sociopaths and losers identify with
  "every white person who isnt a comrade is my fucking enemy" comes off like "you're a socialist, you're one of the good ones"
- I don’t argue with people John brown would have shot
- Feel free to argue it’s counterproductive (lol this is the dunk tank) but calling crackers white devils continues to not be racism
- edit, never mind talking to people like you will never be worth it.

oh the misery

every single whitey is my enemy

This is an allstar post oh my god.

pov: you're watching lemmitors wander into this thread

My people continue to suffer under the lash of oppression

all crackkkers get the wall

Let's not be racist, OK? Under communism, ALL people get the wall. We shouldn't restrict the opportunity to just white people.
Everybody deserves the chance to enjoy Pink Floyd's magnum opus.
- the average black american is 25% white because you know, so we are all truly fucked.
- Everyone gets the wall, and the other wall, and two more walls and a roof and good food and medicine
- It's funny that they made that album because they needed a big seller to get out of tax debt. It was a very business like motivation, making it all the more surprising that their efforts resulted in such a great album.
- me when someone shouts "hey abc aren't you half-white get over here!!"
a welcome end to my suffering

The ONLY racism that exists is against white people.

In fact, to be antiracist you must bully ever crackkker.

Any tips on how to bully myself
- I tried all the tips other people are mentioning here but I just ended up aroused, help
- horse hair shirts—a classic!
- venmo me reparations.
- Punch yourself in the face while asking why you're hitting yourself
  Dunk your own head in the toilet and flush
  Place a sign on your back reading "kick me"
- ritual self-flagellation
- I usually stick to drinking
- desvenlafaxine

what da hell.....

I''ve literally been racist to white people.

I really wish some libs would stumble in and debate and give opportunities for people to respond with things that others might learn something from. There's practically no explanation of why this is in the comments now, which will not do a good job of educating any new people or lurkers. If you're out there and you're new or unsure about why or whatever, like, please just ask and don't be too anxious to. Nobody is going to rip your head off for it.

It honestly does suck a little to read people talking about how I'm inherently bad and how I deserve to die and I don't have culture etc. I don't really complain about it because I get it. It's not like I face discrimination in real life. But like some of it does feel pretty shitty when I see it on a daily basis here.

mmmhhhhmmmmhhhh, i cant make memes edit the tone of this is light teasing.
Whiteness is more of a cultural indicator than being dependant on your skin colour. Others have mentioned that the definition of "white" can expand and contract as fascists demand. So like, when people are railing against white people, we're talking about people who actively identify as white and conform to white culture, like generally supporting capitalism, being unconcerned with or happy with racism, acting like any slight against white people is discrimination equal to real racism, etc.
People with pale skin can and have been discriminated against, but never because they're white. I've had English people call me a terrorist and a savage for being Irish, not because I have pale skin.
- The irony of britbongs calling anyone savages.
- Yes, 'white' (and of course 'black') is absolutely a nonsense concept that expands and contracts arbitrarily, but race and whiteness isn't (in practice) a self-identity. It is imposed upon people by racists, and has been institutionalized and normalized so much that it's unavoidable. One can't just say 'I'm not white' or 'I'm not black' in a way effectively recognized by society at large. The point being, people are visually identified as being 'white' or 'black' through things including skin tone. 99+% can look at a license photo and will decide 'white' or 'black'. It is a term with racial implications. A light-skinned Frank who is anti-racist, anti-capitalist and anti-state will be considered 'white' by almost everyone, just as someone with darker skin will be labelled 'black' even if they are a US Republican, pro-capitalist, pro-police racist. So when someone says 'kill white people', why shouldn't a person considered 'white' by society see that as a sign of distrust?
  I've had English people call me a terrorist and a savage for being Irish, not because I have pale skin.
  May I assume "English people" is here referring to people generally considered white? This may factor into why they don't use whiteness as an insult against native Irish.
  The Troubles and British colonization of Ireland are probably going to be far more present in assholes's minds than race in this situation, since my impression is most British people consider Irish people white these days (as you said, the definition expands), even if there are still specific anti-Irish racist tendencies.
- Nonetheless, I can't just "opt out" of being white unless I fucking lie like Lying Liz Wrecker Warren, and even then I will still be white just like she was still white and society will privilege us as being white all the same. I despise whiteness, but I am still objectively part of the white population and probably will be until I die because I am deep within the shifting boundary of who is designated as white.
Do you build your entire identity around being "white" though? Or are you a person with actual hobbies and interests?
It doesn't upset me because I might be white, but that doesn't mean anything. It only means something if someone is so pathetic and empty that their lack of melanin is the only noteworthy thing about them.
- If a white person were to say that they're not actually white, how do you think that would go over here?
  I had more to say, but deleted it accidentally.
- 'Whiteness' is a label assigned by society, not self-identity. I think race is absolute nonsense and also don't identify as black nor white, that doesn't stop people assigning it to me when they see me outside. And if someone says they want to kill people based off of their own interpretation of white or black, our self-identity or lack of one means nothing.
  Like you, the comment itself doesn't insult me because it's not about a group I identify as, but the normalization of conditional racism here absolutely does concerm me.
Counterpoint: zip it, honkey
I grew up around mostly hispanic and black people and i understood whiteness to not really mean your skin color but the culture/class dynamics. Theres people who mean your skin but theyre ignorable.
I feel like my friends and I were always some other third thing that has its foot in a lot of other things. Because we werent rednecks, we werent first gen polish immigrants nor were we middle class suburbia nor were we rich white devils. Were still white but the attachment to the label is very loose.
Getting upset about people mocking your whiteness is kind of a litmus test to see how you view the world and what youve experienced.
But also the people here who are the loudest about whiteness just found out about it, you dont have to take everyone seriously. I also find the self-flagellation kind of pathetic and for liberals.
I kind of get what you are saying but, as a white person, I think it sucks a lot more being cultureless than seeing people remark on my being cultureless. They recognize the indignity of it, whereas white norms seem to prefer its members be empty husks fit only for consuming and spite.
Why do you identify as white tho? The US census bureau classifies me as "white" but I've never felt even the barest twinge of identification with that fiction and I can pass
- i'm not sure what identifying as white means but cops think i'm white and it seems like i have white privilege so for eeoc purposes or whatever i'm a honkey and i'm not sure checking "other" or "prefer not to say" is meaningful
- The US census bureau classifies me as "white"
  wait you dont fill it out yourself? ive never taken the census.

I disagree. Both tactics work can work.
For me it was having a bunch of MLs laugh at me and ridicule me that really got me thinking.
I remember being a baby leftist trying to argue that “capitalism just works which is why a social welfare state is the best plausible system” that gave me a jolt into re-examining my views.
If someone comes in good faith then yes you talk with them calmly and reasonably but if someone is tone policing, lecturing, or trolling then you give it to them right back.
Saying you can’t be racist against crackers is not only true, it will also confront people into thinking about what racism really is and what function it performs in our society.
- I had a really hard time grappling with the you cant be racist to white people because my entire experience growing up was being bullied, beat up and excluded because I was white. I swear I came up with reverse racism back in 2003 by myself because what liberal media was telling me without the additional context didnt make sense in my upbringing and small world.
  Once i got into college and saw that everyone was white and that they grew up predominantly white areas the pieces of the puzzle fell in.
  I think if you look at a white person and go my reddit breadtube told me to call this person a mayo cracker whiteboiii youre lame as shit. All the mayo/cum demon or whatever you guys are saying is an entirely online thing and super white itself. All of this stuff should be viewed the lense of class and power dynamic within communities. Not blanket hatred for someone who might actually agree with you/want better.