Values

Assuming this isn't just shopped, which it probably is... As a guy that bakes cakes from scratch a couple of times a year, two things:

Props to whomever got that pattern into the cake, that couldn't have been easy. Imagine: There's a toroidal swastika in that cake.
That's one ugly-ass cake for having spent so much time on it.

I guess it’s the same concept as a checkerboard cake just cutting the rings to make a swastika instead. But yeah why go through all the mess to make the outside that sloppy.
- Because, even for Nazis, it's the inside that counts.
  
  Nazism will even cover up for the sin of you not being white.
- Practice, I assume.
The image is so blurry… the foreground slice could have been a paper swastika cutout placed on the slice and cocoa powder sprinkled on it to create the symbol. The background cake looks partly copied from the foreground swastika.

E: autocorrect is annoying af
- The partial swastika is facing the wrong direction. Or I guess the slice is upside-down. Looks like two thin sheet cakes samwhiching a glob of frosting or ganache.
If you look closely at it you can see layering, so it might actually be real
huh, I thought it was an ice cream cake
Maybe a truly unfortunate failed attempt at a checkerboard cake?

It’s like when I hear people claim that I have to “respect their beliefs”. No I don’t. If you want to believe an ancient fairy tale over reason, logic, and science, that’s your business— and I certainly respect (and will fight to defend) your right to your beliefs, as they are also my rights to my non-belief.

But do I respect your beliefs? Only if they deserve respect. And it’s beliefs like these for which I hold my… discerning position regarding the beliefs of others.

“Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.”

I respect people, not beliefs.

Also the "traditional family values" people never seem to realize that no one pressures them to do liberal stuff. They can still be traditional.
I have to assume they project their own authoritarianism onto us liberal people.
- The lament of the white conservative
  
  If I'm not allowed to force my favorite things on everybody, I'm being oppressed.
  
  If I'm not allowed to force the Others to not do their favorite things, I'm being oppressed.
  
  If people who look and think like me own and control everything and the Others criticize that, I'm being oppressed.
There's also the social contract resolution to the tolerance paradox. Essentially, the tolerance paradox is that tolerating intolerance erodes tolerance. This means eventually if you allow intolerance to fester, they will seize control and you lose that tolerance.

The social contract resolution is that by being intolerant, you lose your right to be tolerated. This avoids that paradox, but superficially can look like intolerance.

I hope this didn't end up too much like word salad.
- I was able understand it pre-coffee so it made enough sense so hopefully mine won’t be a word salad too
  
  TLDR a long winded version of what you said about the social contract
  
  But to add on, like you said tolerance is a contract that only protects the parties that follow its terms
  
  Example: (pick a group of your choice) “Hey _____ person, I’ll respect you if you respect me” Yay everyone’s happy we’re all chilling together even tho I’m 100% certain we have different beliefs down to the core
  
  But when that contract is broken apply that to the blank above, “Hey Nazi, I’ll respect you if you respect me”. They won’t hold up their end of the deal so why should I hold up mine
Also I find those are people who rarely respect others’s beliefs
I've found that folks with beliefs that aren't respectable, like believing that minorities don't deserve rights, tend to need to be reminded to respect other people's beliefs. Many times those beliefs hurt no one, like belief in astrology.

So they just weaponize and twist the lessons they were given to silence others so they can continue harming others.
They need to respect my belief that they're assholes. I made it my religion in some way. My holy tradition.

I still think about my white coworker who said that the 1920s were the best times. And I had to remind him his mixed wife and kids would disagree with him.

Let me guess, he's probably enjoys drinking alcohol too.
- ...but Gatsby! and flapper dresses! and wealthy industrialists!
  
  It's all vibes from people painfully ignorant of the time they yearn for.

That's not a Nazi swastika, for the record.

It doesnt matter how pedantic you try to get. At this point every swastika is a nazi swastika unless you find it in a Buddhist temple.
- I find that insulting to the cultures and people who have used it for a thousand years and continue to do so. I'd rather be pedantic than dismissive of their much older beliefs.
- Fuck them baltics, eh?
- That cake looks pretty fancy for a racist gag. My understanding is that swastikas are pretty widespread as a generic "holy" decoration in India and Asia. I'm wondering if that image isn't originally from a bakery from that region.
- Or The Baha'i House of Worship in Wilmette. It was build before WWII. All the rest except one that doesn't exist any more, were built after WWII so we didn't put bent crosses on them.
Why?
- A Nazi swastika is tilted at 45°, and points to the right (though the one in this cake could point either direction depending on which side you're looking at).
  
  A swastika in this style is a religious symbol used in many eastern faiths and belief systems, including Buddhism.

Aside from the fact that the only good nazi is a dead nazi, that takes a lot of planning and effort.

Off-topic, but, if that's a real cake and the image goes all the way around, that's actually kind of impressive.

Same, that's pretty creative layering

The swasticake.

I have a feeling someone baked this cake just for the meme.

Isn't that the Buddhist/Hindu version?

It can go in either direction, but it's more commonly in the opposite of what is shown here
From Wikipedia:

In Hinduism, the right-facing symbol (clockwise) (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya ('sun'), prosperity and good luck, while the left-facing symbol (counter-clockwise) (卍) is called sauvastika, symbolising night or tantric aspects of Kali.

I thought the big difference came down to the direction it was facing, but turns out both directions are the Hindu way with different meaning. And depending which side of the cake or the slice you look at it will be both ways. The other distinction between the two is that the Nazi one is usually tilted to 45 degrees.
Depends which way round you look at the slice.

I distinctly remember debating with a person from my old Internet community. The person is anti-globalisation whereas I am pro. This was before I realised right wingers are anti-globalisation, but he blamed the rise of far left and far right in the 20th century to globalisation, and also blamed the fall of Rome to foreigners with the Germanic invasions (it is an oversimplification as to why Germanic peoples invaded but many viewed themselves as also Romans; hence why the later Holy Roman Empire is Germanic). Then after a while, the discussion turned to women's rights because I mentioned Westerners just don't have as many children and therefore immigration is necessity . The interlocutor then basically argued that women should have more children. I alluded that there was a certain political party that explicitly viewed women as baby churners in order to breed more people for their race (I'm referring to the Nazis of course, but I should have also mentioned at the time the Islamic fundamentalists also do the same).

Someone mentioned that the user I debated with changed over time within the community. I later learned that the person got banned.

Advocating for traditional values is not in and of itself wrong, but if those values impede another person's rights then those values are not worth actually worth valuing.

Tribalism is a terrible thing, and unfortunately part of human nature. Those people over there want my fucking deer meet, and this cozy cave I have: I need to hate them.

I believe in TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES like HARD WORK through HUNTING and GATHERING and COMMUNAL LIVING and DYING AT THE AGE OF 5 and BEING AFRAID OF FIRE and YEETING YOUR KIDS INTO THE FOREST WHEN THEY BECOME ADULTS.

I wish they would have done it better so I could call it the best ATBGE ever. But it looks like the basket just replaced a big block Chevy before they baked the cake.

Kind of a beat idea, I want to make a Minecraft one now

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Tradition isn't the issue, the issue is not wanting anything to change. Those are completely different things.

Good: Festivities (like Christmas), cuisine, cultural heritage etc, all that (and more) can be summed up as tradition.

Bad: Saying something shouldn't change because it has always been that way, uncritically continuing to do everything the way it has always be done. This is not tradition, it's conservatism at best and backwards politics at worst.

The bad includes "traditional values" but traditional values don't equal tradition - tradition is much more than that, and a lot of it isn't bad.